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On June 06 2022 05:12 Coffeeling wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2022 05:03 Athenau wrote:On June 06 2022 04:51 Coffeeling wrote:
Day #84305683 of Ghosts being ridiculous. It's ok, Zerg doesn't need to win every game. Sometimes just winning 90% of the time is enough! It's not about the Z win rate. It's just absurd that Ghosts invalidate the entire higher end of the Zerg tech tree. The best answer to Ghosts Zerg have is literally Ghosts. It's just stupid. Remember the time when PvZ was 50/50, but the entire matchup was about whether Z can hold off the 1-1-1 because the 1-1-1 was busted but the only thing that worked, and lategame Z just mopped toss? It was stupid. Fair, but stupid. This is the same.
Not at all wtf. Zerg wins lategame all the time. Maybe not super lategame split map scenario but in normal 5/6 base lategame Zerg is doing more than fine with the Mass Bane constant trading style
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On June 06 2022 05:13 swarminfestor wrote:
Why not Reynor changing strategy to muta rather than keeping with ling+banes+ hydra?
Clem is possibly better against Muta with his Marine and Mines control, forcing Clem to play mass Tanks is what Reynor probably wanted.
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Northern Ireland26225 Posts
On June 06 2022 05:26 tigera6 wrote:Not with Glittering, that is a free win just like Pride. We will see how Blackburn goes.
It still boggles my mind that Pride made it in to this pool.
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Canada8989 Posts
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Reynor took many of those fights off-creep was head-scratching, but great win for Clem, hope he can return to that top form from 1 year ago.
btw, ESL now gonna keep the same map pool for Valencia and beyond, lol.
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those banes behind the queens cost him the game
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Russian Federation6 Posts
Turned on the stream, still another series that I have watched 10000 times for the last 3,5 years.
What a joke SC2 has become.
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On June 06 2022 05:43 Topin wrote:
those banes behind the queens cost him the game
It was terrible fight, it was off-creep, no bane speed , and Reynor wasnt mining from the gold anyway, he was better off waiting for 15-20 more secs for it.
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Russian Federation6 Posts
On June 06 2022 05:26 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2022 05:12 Coffeeling wrote:On June 06 2022 05:03 Athenau wrote:On June 06 2022 04:51 Coffeeling wrote:
Day #84305683 of Ghosts being ridiculous. It's ok, Zerg doesn't need to win every game. Sometimes just winning 90% of the time is enough! It's not about the Z win rate. It's just absurd that Ghosts invalidate the entire higher end of the Zerg tech tree. The best answer to Ghosts Zerg have is literally Ghosts. It's just stupid. Remember the time when PvZ was 50/50, but the entire matchup was about whether Z can hold off the 1-1-1 because the 1-1-1 was busted but the only thing that worked, and lategame Z just mopped toss? It was stupid. Fair, but stupid. This is the same. Not at all, WTF? Zerg wins lategame all the time. Maybe not super lategame split map scenario but in normal 5/6 base lategame Zerg is doing more than fine with the Mass Bane constant trading style
In what world? Zerg with +1 base has no chance against terran (when he reaches ghosts), with 2 maybe. In that stage Terrans starts trading absurdly efficiently. Wins like Terran with 25-33% map against Zerg 66-75% map are ordinary case.
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On June 06 2022 05:49 Joyfulbeekeeper wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2022 05:26 Charoisaur wrote:On June 06 2022 05:12 Coffeeling wrote:On June 06 2022 05:03 Athenau wrote:On June 06 2022 04:51 Coffeeling wrote:
Day #84305683 of Ghosts being ridiculous. It's ok, Zerg doesn't need to win every game. Sometimes just winning 90% of the time is enough! It's not about the Z win rate. It's just absurd that Ghosts invalidate the entire higher end of the Zerg tech tree. The best answer to Ghosts Zerg have is literally Ghosts. It's just stupid. Remember the time when PvZ was 50/50, but the entire matchup was about whether Z can hold off the 1-1-1 because the 1-1-1 was busted but the only thing that worked, and lategame Z just mopped toss? It was stupid. Fair, but stupid. This is the same. Not at all, WTF? Zerg wins lategame all the time. Maybe not super lategame split map scenario but in normal 5/6 base lategame Zerg is doing more than fine with the Mass Bane constant trading style In what world? Zerg with +1 base has no chance against terran (when he reaches ghosts), with 2 maybe. In that stage Terrans starts trading absurdly efficiently. Wins like Terran with 25-33% map against Zerg 66-75% map is ordinary case.
Check some of the Reynor-Maru or Serral-Maru games from the past half year. Best answer to mass ghost is mass ling-bane attacks. They're very effective.
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Poor Reynor btw 
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unfortunate ending, but it happens. thought the last game will be more spectacular.
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Russian Federation6 Posts
On June 06 2022 05:52 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2022 05:49 Joyfulbeekeeper wrote:On June 06 2022 05:26 Charoisaur wrote:On June 06 2022 05:12 Coffeeling wrote:On June 06 2022 05:03 Athenau wrote:On June 06 2022 04:51 Coffeeling wrote:
Day #84305683 of Ghosts being ridiculous. It's ok, Zerg doesn't need to win every game. Sometimes just winning 90% of the time is enough! It's not about the Z win rate. It's just absurd that Ghosts invalidate the entire higher end of the Zerg tech tree. The best answer to Ghosts Zerg have is literally Ghosts. It's just stupid. Remember the time when PvZ was 50/50, but the entire matchup was about whether Z can hold off the 1-1-1 because the 1-1-1 was busted but the only thing that worked, and lategame Z just mopped toss? It was stupid. Fair, but stupid. This is the same. Not at all, WTF? Zerg wins lategame all the time. Maybe not super lategame split map scenario but in normal 5/6 base lategame Zerg is doing more than fine with the Mass Bane constant trading style In what world? Zerg with +1 base has no chance against terran (when he reaches ghosts), with 2 maybe. In that stage Terrans starts trading absurdly efficiently. Wins like Terran with 25-33% map against Zerg 66-75% map is ordinary case. Check some of the Reynor-Maru or Serral-Maru games from the past half year. Best answer to mass ghost is mass ling-bane attacks. They're very effective.
The problem is, T can suddenly add some units to his 10+ ghosts. And it's GG.
Ghosts, couple Tanks, Bio (composition may vary a little bit) and you can't bit that army composition at some point in game unless T makes a mistake himself and feeds.
We have been watching this for 3,5 years now (after Broodlord-Infestor's era of 2018), no patches to make the game shift.
Btw, rapid fire became absurd nowdays.
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Wow Clem, that was amazing ! Let's go NA now 
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On June 06 2022 05:48 tigera6 wrote:
It was terrible fight, it was off-creep, no bane speed , and Reynor wasnt mining from the gold anyway, he was better off waiting for 15-20 more secs for it.
Yeah, this was one of those situations where Reynor would have profited from the painstaking patience characteristic of Serral. Serral would never have engaged in this way.
Congratulations to Clem and Reynor.
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On June 06 2022 05:52 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2022 05:49 Joyfulbeekeeper wrote:On June 06 2022 05:26 Charoisaur wrote:On June 06 2022 05:12 Coffeeling wrote:On June 06 2022 05:03 Athenau wrote:On June 06 2022 04:51 Coffeeling wrote:
Day #84305683 of Ghosts being ridiculous. It's ok, Zerg doesn't need to win every game. Sometimes just winning 90% of the time is enough! It's not about the Z win rate. It's just absurd that Ghosts invalidate the entire higher end of the Zerg tech tree. The best answer to Ghosts Zerg have is literally Ghosts. It's just stupid. Remember the time when PvZ was 50/50, but the entire matchup was about whether Z can hold off the 1-1-1 because the 1-1-1 was busted but the only thing that worked, and lategame Z just mopped toss? It was stupid. Fair, but stupid. This is the same. Not at all, WTF? Zerg wins lategame all the time. Maybe not super lategame split map scenario but in normal 5/6 base lategame Zerg is doing more than fine with the Mass Bane constant trading style In what world? Zerg with +1 base has no chance against terran (when he reaches ghosts), with 2 maybe. In that stage Terrans starts trading absurdly efficiently. Wins like Terran with 25-33% map against Zerg 66-75% map is ordinary case. Check some of the Reynor-Maru or Serral-Maru games from the past half year. Best answer to mass ghost is mass ling-bane attacks. They're very effective.
To be fair, when Maru reach THAT stage of mass Ghost lategame army setup, hes pretty near to unbeatable. Serral and Reynor, and Rogue, beat Maru by smashing him before he reach that point with lots of lingbane attack, or Muta sneak attack.
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On June 06 2022 06:01 Antithesis wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2022 05:48 tigera6 wrote:
It was terrible fight, it was off-creep, no bane speed , and Reynor wasnt mining from the gold anyway, he was better off waiting for 15-20 more secs for it. Yeah, this was one of those situations where Reynor would have profited from the painstaking patience characteristic of Serral. Serral would never have engaged in this way. Congratulations to Clem and Reynor.
Totally agree, thats why I think Serral would have an easier time against Clem than Reynor did because hes playing almost flawlessly and taking no risk. Clem was doing next to no damage in the early game the whole match, and the only reason Reynor got caught was because he keep doing the same build timing (Hydra into Lurker) even when Clem had pre-emped it with double Tanks production in advance.
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France12907 Posts
Amazing run from Clem and HeroMarine, congratulations!
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