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On June 06 2022 05:59 Joyfulbeekeeper wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2022 05:52 Pandain wrote:On June 06 2022 05:49 Joyfulbeekeeper wrote:On June 06 2022 05:26 Charoisaur wrote:On June 06 2022 05:12 Coffeeling wrote:On June 06 2022 05:03 Athenau wrote:On June 06 2022 04:51 Coffeeling wrote:
Day #84305683 of Ghosts being ridiculous. It's ok, Zerg doesn't need to win every game. Sometimes just winning 90% of the time is enough! It's not about the Z win rate. It's just absurd that Ghosts invalidate the entire higher end of the Zerg tech tree. The best answer to Ghosts Zerg have is literally Ghosts. It's just stupid. Remember the time when PvZ was 50/50, but the entire matchup was about whether Z can hold off the 1-1-1 because the 1-1-1 was busted but the only thing that worked, and lategame Z just mopped toss? It was stupid. Fair, but stupid. This is the same. Not at all, WTF? Zerg wins lategame all the time. Maybe not super lategame split map scenario but in normal 5/6 base lategame Zerg is doing more than fine with the Mass Bane constant trading style In what world? Zerg with +1 base has no chance against terran (when he reaches ghosts), with 2 maybe. In that stage Terrans starts trading absurdly efficiently. Wins like Terran with 25-33% map against Zerg 66-75% map is ordinary case. Check some of the Reynor-Maru or Serral-Maru games from the past half year. Best answer to mass ghost is mass ling-bane attacks. They're very effective. The problem is, T can suddenly add some units to his 10+ ghosts. And it's GG. Ghosts, couple Tanks, Bio (composition may vary a little bit) and you can't bit that army composition at some point in game unless T makes a mistake himself and feeds. We have been watching this for 3,5 years now (after Broodlord-Infestor's era of 2018), no patches to make the game shift. Btw, rapid fire became absurd nowdays.
Well, this is just not true. Terran lategame trades more efficiently but by no way do they have an army that "can't be killed".
And due to the usual economy advantage Zerg has they can overcome the lower efficiency quite easily UNLESS terran gets to split the map, but I'd argue if a Zerg lets a Terran take every base on his side of the map he deserves to lose because that can only happen if the Terran has outplayed the Zerg.
In short: lategame is balanced until split map scenario where it becomes terran favored.
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On June 06 2022 05:59 Joyfulbeekeeper wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2022 05:52 Pandain wrote:On June 06 2022 05:49 Joyfulbeekeeper wrote:On June 06 2022 05:26 Charoisaur wrote:On June 06 2022 05:12 Coffeeling wrote:On June 06 2022 05:03 Athenau wrote:On June 06 2022 04:51 Coffeeling wrote:
Day #84305683 of Ghosts being ridiculous. It's ok, Zerg doesn't need to win every game. Sometimes just winning 90% of the time is enough! It's not about the Z win rate. It's just absurd that Ghosts invalidate the entire higher end of the Zerg tech tree. The best answer to Ghosts Zerg have is literally Ghosts. It's just stupid. Remember the time when PvZ was 50/50, but the entire matchup was about whether Z can hold off the 1-1-1 because the 1-1-1 was busted but the only thing that worked, and lategame Z just mopped toss? It was stupid. Fair, but stupid. This is the same. Not at all, WTF? Zerg wins lategame all the time. Maybe not super lategame split map scenario but in normal 5/6 base lategame Zerg is doing more than fine with the Mass Bane constant trading style In what world? Zerg with +1 base has no chance against terran (when he reaches ghosts), with 2 maybe. In that stage Terrans starts trading absurdly efficiently. Wins like Terran with 25-33% map against Zerg 66-75% map is ordinary case. Check some of the Reynor-Maru or Serral-Maru games from the past half year. Best answer to mass ghost is mass ling-bane attacks. They're very effective. The problem is, T can suddenly add some units to his 10+ ghosts. And it's GG. Ghosts, couple Tanks, Bio (composition may vary a little bit) and you can't bit that army composition at some point in game unless T makes a mistake himself and feeds. We have been watching this for 3,5 years now (after Broodlord-Infestor's era of 2018), no patches to make the game shift. Btw, rapid fire became absurd nowdays.
I know what you're trying to say but the pro results just don't bear out what you're saying. Like I said check out the Maru-Serral (2x) or Reynor-Maru games. Those are just the latest S-class examples.
The more the T is forced to change comp, so too can the zerg. And banelings are good man against everything but tanks.
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Erf, disappointing result for Scarlett. PvP finals can be fun though.
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On June 06 2022 07:19 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Erf, disappointing result for Scarlett. PvP finals can be fun though.
Let's go Max Angel!
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On June 06 2022 07:36 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2022 07:19 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Erf, disappointing result for Scarlett. PvP finals can be fun though. Let's go Max Angel!
I like them both, no favorite here for me, I just hope we get good games !
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On June 06 2022 07:39 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2022 07:36 Pandain wrote:On June 06 2022 07:19 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Erf, disappointing result for Scarlett. PvP finals can be fun though. Let's go Max Angel! I like them both, no favorite here for me, I just hope we get good games !
Carefull, your inner Korean is showing
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great 1st game 
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On June 06 2022 05:44 Joyfulbeekeeper wrote:
Turned on the stream, still another series that I have watched 10000 times for the last 3,5 years.
What a joke SC2 has become.
You should learn from me
I usually just skip the first 10minutes of every single TvZ. Since it’s all the same boring start. You ain’t missing much unless it’s some sort of all in
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On June 06 2022 08:00 Topin wrote:great 1st game
Game 2 is also peak NA pvp, great stuff, looks both exausting and infuriating to play lol
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On June 06 2022 07:51 Nakajin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2022 07:39 [PkF] Wire wrote:On June 06 2022 07:36 Pandain wrote:On June 06 2022 07:19 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Erf, disappointing result for Scarlett. PvP finals can be fun though. Let's go Max Angel! I like them both, no favorite here for me, I just hope we get good games ! Carefull, your inner Korean is showing
so far I'm rewarded lol
g2 is really the pinnacle of NA PvP
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this is so perfect, give me more of this
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hahahaaha wtf was that game xD
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even Astrea was laughing his ass out when it ended. That was glorious
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Canada8989 Posts
This serie is a the perfect dessert for a day of SC2
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congrats Neeb
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Neeb's recent success seems to stem from mixing his play up a lot more. He was doing this somewhat in 2020 but that translated to cheesing a ridiculous number of games and tanking his winrate against weaker players. Now he seems to be better at build order selection and balancing his approach during games. Hopefully he stays motivated.
Disk also had a really good tournament, on the NA side of things. His pvp is really sharp.
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Wait does Serral have to play the open bracket now? Holy moly he will get cheesed out
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Are there replays released for this>?
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Hmm I heard that Rogue and Trap were going to give up this tournament. Also, Maru may not present too unless he decides to play the open bracket.
I am bit thrilled after seeing Serral failed to qualify, and Clem succeeded on taking the throne instead. Now, with no Rogue and Trap in the upcoming tournament (and possibly Maru too), it definitely takes away enjoyment out of watching the game.
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EPT
