DreamHack Masters: Valencia 2022 - Regionals

On May 20 2022 15:52 _fool wrote:

I'll gladly admit I find games like these way more entertaining then crisp clean Korean games. Does that make me a bad person?

On May 21 2022 04:01 Waxangel wrote:
I see it was a good day for the "rest of asia" portion of Oceania and Rest of Asia

On May 22 2022 21:19 Elentos wrote:

Sadly Maru failed in GSL so we're not guaranteed the rematch of the century.

On May 22 2022 22:15 tigera6 wrote:

Maru will probably start from the open bracket and get to the Ro.32 (Group stage 3) as an unseeded player, so there is still a chance.

On May 23 2022 00:54 buzz_bender wrote:
Clem was way too aggressive against ShaDown

On May 23 2022 01:51 Elentos wrote:

Bring back single elimination Bo1

On May 23 2022 04:58 Nakajin wrote:


I know we are joking, but imagine how hype it would be to have a 64 player giga-bracket best of 1 tournament with random seeding. Almost everyone that benefit from the curent format is already richer than almost anyone in the history of SC2 anyway, it would shake things up a bit

On May 23 2022 01:20 Nakajin wrote:


It's result like this that make me hate the ESL format. It's a massive upset, yet it will bear almost no impact on the tournament result by itself.

On May 23 2022 01:20 Nakajin wrote:


It's result like this that make me hate the ESL format. It's a massive upset, yet it will bear almost no impact on the tournament result by itself.

On May 24 2022 18:15 WombaT wrote:
A single elim tournament would be more exciting and volatile, but Reynor and especially Serral almost never lose to players an appreciable level below them.

On May 27 2022 02:18 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Have to agree with ZG in the chat, it's surprising how extremely safe and conservative Serral is playing that lategame.

On May 27 2022 02:31 tigera6 wrote:

I think that had a lot to do with his tech choice, you cant really be agressive with Blord-Infestor-Corruptor, you can only make a deathball with that and hope the Protoss will keep on hitting it and lose unit for free.

On May 27 2022 02:33 [PkF] Wire wrote:

Yeah that and in the end it was the right move, he got his win condition with the addition of lurkers and ended the game rather beautifully. But as Catz pointed out, he definitely had some timings when he could split and amove part of his army and roll Skillous ; easy to say when you have full vision, of course !

On May 30 2022 03:20 Kreuger wrote:
Uthermal so close to winning game2 against Serral

On May 30 2022 06:16 Zergiica wrote:
this format is so boring, who came up with it :/ lasts so long and there is no any excitement.

On May 30 2022 00:11 jackednstacked wrote:
Sorry to be off topic. Anyone know the kpop song that was playing during the wait screen?

Edit: wait screen on the main stream before Clem vs Showtime

On May 30 2022 06:28 Pandain wrote:


I agree. Think a GSL style set of group stages would be much more exciting.

On May 30 2022 06:16 Zergiica wrote:
this format is so boring, who came up with it :/ lasts so long and there is no any excitement.

On May 30 2022 04:22 jackednstacked wrote:


Exactly. Group C was the easiest group. Serral ALWAYS gets a group where nobody is on his level. No Reynor, no Showtime, no Clem, etc

On May 30 2022 06:28 Pandain wrote:


I agree. Think a GSL style set of group stages would be much more exciting.

On June 01 2022 01:12 Kreuger wrote:
You could really see the advantage zerg has in serral vs lambo

On June 01 2022 01:13 darklycid wrote:

One can really see the uselessness in comments like these in yours here

On June 01 2022 01:44 tigera6 wrote:
This round is unexpectedly full of bops, and I thought after a mostly boring group stage we would have some excited playoff round.

On June 01 2022 02:49 Charoisaur wrote:
Anyone else sad Disruptors seem to have almost completely replaced high templars from the matchup?
HTs are so much better designed and lead to better interactions

On June 01 2022 03:01 WombaT wrote:

Yeah I love some Templar-based PvT, ever since way back in WoL Parting was showing some stellar macro games with that style.

I wonder why it’s no longer in vogue, have top Ts just got too proficient at splitting at hitting their EMPs or what?

On June 01 2022 11:53 buzz_bender wrote:
Heromarine needed to play like Maru in going defensive later in the game when Harstem had so many disruptors. He was a bit too aggressive, and did not set up defensively well enough (no tanks?).

Well played by Harstem!

On June 01 2022 14:32 tigera6 wrote:

Most Terran playing TvP with momentum, using mass Bio army to take good fight and ultimately crushed Protoss army before reaching lategame. Harstem army of pure Stalker/Zealot and Disruptor counter that style very well as long as he can track down all the side army drop from Terran, which he did in this game.

On June 02 2022 03:26 [PkF] Wire wrote:
hey the pull wasn't that far from working ^^

On June 02 2022 03:41 darklycid wrote:

Yeah gonna be interesting how he performs in the future.

On June 03 2022 02:45 tigera6 wrote:
Somehow the last series is not 3-0 but look just as bad, Elazer seems like not able to scout anything and got hit by the Protoss timing 3 times in a row, and only defended well once on a close fight.

On June 03 2022 02:58 geokilla wrote:

He isn't losing due to timings. He's losing by being overly aggressive and not knowing when to stop and drone up to further his advantage.

On June 03 2022 05:48 Pandain wrote:
Another 3-0 haha. I hope this is the Universe's way of saying we are going to have an absolutely amazing final three days.

10/14 of the series so far have been 3-0s. Thank you based Harstem for giving us one great series.

On June 03 2022 23:55 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Lambo gave MaxPax a ZvP lesson in preparation. Ruthless.

On June 03 2022 23:57 darklycid wrote:

We lost showtime in pvp for this (a classic in protoss performance where the good pvp players kick out the better other mu players to then get rekt in the other mu )

On June 04 2022 02:00 Xain0n wrote:
I have to admit I like Reynor's interviews more.

On June 04 2022 01:45 tigera6 wrote:
Reynor is just too good, hes a combination of Rogue and Dark, playing with crazy timing /greedy build that throw Serral off too much, and his micro is insane as well.

Btw, I dont think I like how they delay the Harstem vs Clem game, because their opponent, Lambo, would have to prepare for BOTH matchup instead of one. I guess it could even out with the players from the upper match would have to play an extra Bo5, but still.

On June 05 2022 01:47 Husyelt wrote:
Congrats to Big Gabe. Only caught the last two games.
So does Serral still get a chance to compete offline at the world final event?

On June 05 2022 01:47 Husyelt wrote:
Congrats to Big Gabe. Only caught the last two games.
So does Serral still get a chance to compete offline at the world final event?

On June 05 2022 01:48 Pandain wrote:


Yes there's never going to be a world where he doesn't play that. Even if he didn't qualify directly for group stage (impossible, he would have to not be top 8 EU points) there's still an open bracket.

On June 05 2022 02:30 Durnuu wrote:
What the fuck is this schedule, they didn't play Clem vs Harstem yesterday and now they play it until we have 2 matches left in the entire tournament?

On June 05 2022 02:48 Durnuu wrote:

Only thing that can partly explain it is that Clem was invited by Macron alongside other french esports figures in a thinly veiled attempt to gain voters
Still doesn't explain why on earth they would play so many matches today, they shouldn't play Reynor vs Clem or Heromarine vs the winner of this match

On June 05 2022 02:48 Durnuu wrote:

Only thing that can partly explain it is that Clem was invited by Macron alongside other french esports figures in a thinly veiled attempt to gain voters
Still doesn't explain why on earth they would play so many matches today, they shouldn't play Reynor vs Clem or Heromarine vs the winner of this match

On June 05 2022 03:43 Durnuu wrote:

Trying to avoid zerg nerfs

On June 05 2022 03:53 Nakajin wrote:
Alright I'm just checking in, wtf happen with Serral?

On June 05 2022 03:53 tigera6 wrote:

Gabed, Serral made 3 wrong read from HM opening that cost him 3 games

On June 05 2022 04:17 tigera6 wrote:
Sorry to say, but Clem look outmatched, Reynor just too good at that kind of speed nowadays. You need to slow thing down to play Reynor more evenly, thats why I think HM has a better chance..

On June 05 2022 04:54 Nakajin wrote:


I'm sad that Clem may never become "the guy", I really hoped he could have been the heir of Serral and Reynor.

On June 05 2022 05:10 [PkF] Wire wrote:

you just imprinted the image of Serral and Reynor as the end boss of IWBTG in my head. Thanks, I shall probably never be able to erase it from my mind.

On June 05 2022 04:54 Nakajin wrote:


I'm sad that Clem may never become "the guy", I really hoped he could have been the heir of Serral and Reynor.

On June 05 2022 07:07 Charoisaur wrote:

I think the Zerg favored mappool plays a big role in that

On June 05 2022 10:01 QOGQOG wrote:

Coincidentally, every map pool for the last several years has been Zerg favored.

Anyway, nice to see a non ZvZ finals coming up, even if it's probably going to be extremely one-sided. But congrats to HM! Making EU unpredictable.

On June 05 2022 06:23 WombaT wrote:

It’s incredibly difficult, for Clem to be that guy, and for a time he was nailing it he’s got to play on their level but incredibly aggressively.

There’s just innately less room for error in that playstyle than standard Zerg played incredibly well.

The only real alternative we’ve seen the last couple of years is how Maru plays when he decides to split a map, and that’s possibly harder again.

This isn’t a diss at Serral or Reynor, or a balance whine. They’re unbelievably good, are mechanical monsters and their decision making is almost always spot on.

All things being equal, and I think they’re not far off (purely in TvZ), the rock solid defensive player should win out. I haven’t actually checked, so the numbers may be against me but I think Serral and Reynor have gradually got better against Clem since he ascended to his current level.

On June 05 2022 11:51 tigera6 wrote:

Please tell me you are joking, this map pool is by far the worst one in recent years for Terran in TvZ, and even Clem admitted as much during one of his interview that the map pool is negatively impacting his play style.

On June 05 2022 12:14 AzAlexZ wrote:

I'm confused, what was this comment for?

On June 05 2022 12:36 QOGQOG wrote:

People have been, for years, deflecting any complaint about the strength of Zerg by saying it's a problem with the map pool. At least when they're not doing the mind-meltingly stupid "No, really, all the best players just happen to be Zerg" routine.

Is this map pool notably bad? Sure. Maybe. I guess. But a different map pool wouldn't change the results, as evidence by the last several years of map pools changes not changing the results.

On June 05 2022 13:18 swarminfestor wrote:
Clem just played poorly compared to his normal standard games, like the match between him and Reynor today. I don't think Clem cannot catch with Reynor/Serral's speed no longer since his domination days or Reynor/Serral just knew how to beat him consistently.

On June 05 2022 16:09 tigera6 wrote:

I dont think Clem played that poorly, that was his standard game like against every other Zerg, but Reynor and Serral has figured out how to react to it better than before.

On June 05 2022 18:00 Charoisaur wrote:

Eeeeeh on the last mappool Clem was consistently dominating Serral and Reynor so at least for him it's undeniable the maps are the biggest factor

On June 05 2022 22:30 WombaT wrote:

Was it that much better a pool for Terrans than this? We haven’t had a bad pool for Zergs in forever, it’s just degrees of how much they suit the race.

Things haven’t really gone as I expected.

Clem has the high mechanical level and the high risk-high reward style among foreign (and increasingly global) Terrans you kind of need to consistently go toe to toe with Serral and Reynor. And Heromarine has the rock solid, consistent play that’s good enough to beat almost anyone but that ends up running into a brick wall against a Serral/Reynor

But its Clem that’s dropped off just a little and HM has bridged the gap (slightly), which is kind of the opposite trajectory I was anticipating.

As Clem’s slight drop off has occurred when HM has been more competitive against those two, I dunno I think that points more to Clem struggling to maintain his levels with a super unforgiving style/Serral and Reynor adapting to his play than something purely down to maps.

Unless the maps particularly suit how HM approaches the game, which could be a part of it too

On June 05 2022 22:30 WombaT wrote:

Was it that much better a pool for Terrans than this? We haven’t had a bad pool for Zergs in forever, it’s just degrees of how much they suit the race.

Things haven’t really gone as I expected.

Clem has the high mechanical level and the high risk-high reward style among foreign (and increasingly global) Terrans you kind of need to consistently go toe to toe with Serral and Reynor. And Heromarine has the rock solid, consistent play that’s good enough to beat almost anyone but that ends up running into a brick wall against a Serral/Reynor

But its Clem that’s dropped off just a little and HM has bridged the gap (slightly), which is kind of the opposite trajectory I was anticipating.

As Clem’s slight drop off has occurred when HM has been more competitive against those two, I dunno I think that points more to Clem struggling to maintain his levels with a super unforgiving style/Serral and Reynor adapting to his play than something purely down to maps.

Unless the maps particularly suit how HM approaches the game, which could be a part of it too

On June 06 2022 03:47 patermatrix wrote:
Whelp, that somehow felt not close at all... Could be a quick one!

On June 06 2022 03:47 swarminfestor wrote:
Why is Pride of Altaris still in the map pool?

On June 06 2022 03:47 swarminfestor wrote:
Why is Pride of Altaris still in the map pool?

On June 06 2022 04:00 tigera6 wrote:
Clem landed the 3rd CC and creep are 2 screen away, nice Zerg game.
Edit: And 100 Drones.

On June 06 2022 04:46 tigera6 wrote:
Neither Clem nor Reynor are super great at lategame army control, and what we get is almost a throw from one guy to the other.

On June 06 2022 05:01 True_Spike wrote:
These guys are just sick

On June 06 2022 05:01 Charoisaur wrote:

compared to Maru and Serral they are clearly a bit worse but other than that you're of course right

On June 06 2022 04:51 Coffeeling wrote:
Day #84305683 of Ghosts being ridiculous.

On June 06 2022 04:51 Pandain wrote:


??? They are literally two of the best at lategame.

On June 06 2022 05:03 Athenau wrote:

It's ok, Zerg doesn't need to win every game. Sometimes just winning 90% of the time is enough!

On June 06 2022 05:03 Athenau wrote:

It's ok, Zerg doesn't need to win every game. Sometimes just winning 90% of the time is enough!

On June 06 2022 05:11 Mozdk wrote:


It's 3-2 to the T. Your whining is fucking embarrassing.

On June 06 2022 05:12 [PkF] Wire wrote:
wth is Clem doing it ?

On June 06 2022 05:13 swarminfestor wrote:
Why not Reynor changing strategy to muta rather than keeping with ling+banes+ hydra?

On June 06 2022 05:26 tigera6 wrote:

Not with Glittering, that is a free win just like Pride. We will see how Blackburn goes.

On June 06 2022 05:43 Topin wrote:
those banes behind the queens cost him the game