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On May 01 2022 23:05 darklycid wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2022 23:04 allmotor1 wrote:On May 01 2022 22:51 darklycid wrote:
Yeah idk nobody can tell me with a straight face that the top zergs arent getting amplified by lotv fitting zerg strengths to a tee. it is zerg is massively OP. I hope there is an actual significant patch, this is getting stale. Don't think it's massively OP like 2nd half of 2019 OP but just all the small things fit zerg the best, 12 worker start, game forcing you to expand and spread out and then the current map pool is just the cherry on top.
If it wasn't for Maru, terran is mostly extinct. Protoss has been extinct.
its literally zerg 24/7
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Looking forward for the scintillating TL recap just like Katowice!
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will I ever see which player is more skilled? I mean, is there a chance they will ever play from same lvl, without advantages Zerg has. Or that is it, SC2 goes in it's final stage, where no one cares Z players can go make a coffee and still wins because it is just to damn easy. So sad.
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New, less Zerg favored maps are needed. It was already clear in December, to be honest.
So weird(definitely not) that the balance whine increases when non korean Zerg players win, tho...
Rooting for Reynor here!
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On May 01 2022 23:22 Xain0n wrote:
New, less Zerg favored maps are needed. It was already clear in December, to be honest.
So weird(definitely not) that the balance whine increases when non korean Zerg players win, tho...
Rooting for Reynor here!
? It's always when there is a ZvZ finals or a zerg filled playoffs that's just your bias speaking. Problem is just that this mostly happens in tournaments where all of the top zergs particiapte in  (also in foreign tournaments more often than the kr ones)
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On May 01 2022 23:22 Xain0n wrote:
New, less Zerg favored maps are needed. It was already clear in December, to be honest.
So weird(definitely not) that the balance whine increases when non korean Zerg players win, tho...
Rooting for Reynor here!
Zerg is OP, when its Z v protoss 99.999% you already know the zerg will win. Terran is literally non relevant as far as an actual player who wins tournaments besides Maru.
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On May 01 2022 23:26 allmotor1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2022 23:22 Xain0n wrote:
New, less Zerg favored maps are needed. It was already clear in December, to be honest.
So weird(definitely not) that the balance whine increases when non korean Zerg players win, tho...
Rooting for Reynor here! Zerg is OP, when its Z v protoss 99.999% you already know the zerg will win. Terran is literally non relevant as far as an actual player who wins tournaments besides Maru.
Clearly the best explanation for Maru beating Reynor and Dark before losing to Serral is a game that's imbalanced beyond saving.
And yeah no shit Maru is the only Terran who is consistently winning championships, of the four horsemen two are in the military, one is permanently worse after his time in the military, and one is Maru. If Dark, Rogue, and Serral were to disappear tomorrow Reynor would be the only Zerg consistently winning championships. This map pool is Zerg favored but that's just a blip against the story of Terran decline.
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As a Maru fan, who also criticize him for having terrible opening whenever he does it, I dont mind this loss to be quite honest. Yeah the hellbat push was shit, but Berlingrad isnt a Terran map, its 50/50 at best, and Maru had to do something else other than playing the macro game and die to a sudden attack from the Zerg. Curious Mind is also "manageable" by Zerg, as long as they can figure out the 3 racks opening, or the 2 base all-in from Terran.
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On May 01 2022 22:54 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2022 22:53 Andi_Goldberger wrote:
so is there any hope for a new mappool? or are we getting stuck with this one like the romanticide era? hopefully not Maybe with the next ladder season, but this one lasts until like late June? They should actually just throw out every map from this pool.
ESL has every single opportunity to switch the maps after IEM, but there has been zero announcement, so they probably want to keep it till the end of the next DH. Meanwhile, viewers know the map is Zerg favored and have been VOCAL about it for months, players and casters also know it but they just dont want to get into trouble so they stay quiet. I dont know who or what type of communication it would take for us to move forward from this, other than its being on the whim of a couple of people.
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hand all of sc2 over to afreeca. just like how they nerfed flash with the maps I want to see what happens if we nerfed zergs with maps.
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I'm putting my money on the zerg
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On May 01 2022 23:27 dysenterymd wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2022 23:26 allmotor1 wrote:On May 01 2022 23:22 Xain0n wrote:
New, less Zerg favored maps are needed. It was already clear in December, to be honest.
So weird(definitely not) that the balance whine increases when non korean Zerg players win, tho...
Rooting for Reynor here! Zerg is OP, when its Z v protoss 99.999% you already know the zerg will win. Terran is literally non relevant as far as an actual player who wins tournaments besides Maru. Clearly the best explanation for Maru beating Reynor and Dark before losing to Serral is a game that's imbalanced beyond saving. And yeah no shit Maru is the only Terran who is consistently winning championships, of the four horsemen two are in the military, one is permanently worse after his time in the military, and one is Maru. If Dark, Rogue, and Serral were to disappear tomorrow Reynor would be the only Zerg consistently winning championships. This map pool is Zerg favored but that's just a blip against the story of Terran decline.
You think if TY and INnoVation were still playing they'd have won this tournament over the gauntlet of Zergs? Please stay honest, they weren't beating the top Zergs before going to military, they wouldn't now
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On May 01 2022 23:27 tigera6 wrote:
As a Maru fan, who also criticize him for having terrible opening whenever he does it, I dont mind this loss to be quite honest. Yeah the hellbat push was shit, but Berlingrad isnt a Terran map, its 50/50 at best, and Maru had to do something else other than playing the macro game and die to a sudden attack from the Zerg. Curious Mind is also "manageable" by Zerg, as long as they can figure out the 3 racks opening, or the 2 base all-in from Terran.
I agree. It's just at this point, it's almost a foregone conclusion it'll be a zvz finals. Usually Rogue/Serral/Reynor/Dark.
And you can forget about Protoss even having a chance. And watching zvt is even getting stale at this point, if T can't do anything significant, once it goes late game, Z wins. they just swallow the map and make god tier units like lurkers and if you aren't Maru you are not winning.
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On May 01 2022 23:25 darklycid wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2022 23:22 Xain0n wrote:
New, less Zerg favored maps are needed. It was already clear in December, to be honest.
So weird(definitely not) that the balance whine increases when non korean Zerg players win, tho...
Rooting for Reynor here! ? It's always when there is a ZvZ finals or a zerg filled playoffs that's just your bias speaking. Problem is just that this mostly happens in tournaments where all of the top zergs particiapte in (also in foreign tournaments more often than the kr ones)
Not a single positive word about Serral beating Maru after the latter defeated Reynor and 3-0d Dark.
If Rogue(or Dark himself) were the one taking down Maru we'd have been already reminded by now how strong and smart they are.
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On May 01 2022 23:44 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2022 23:25 darklycid wrote:On May 01 2022 23:22 Xain0n wrote:
New, less Zerg favored maps are needed. It was already clear in December, to be honest.
So weird(definitely not) that the balance whine increases when non korean Zerg players win, tho...
Rooting for Reynor here! ? It's always when there is a ZvZ finals or a zerg filled playoffs that's just your bias speaking. Problem is just that this mostly happens in tournaments where all of the top zergs particiapte in (also in foreign tournaments more often than the kr ones) Not a single positive word about Serral beating Maru after the latter defeated Reynor and 3-0d Dark. If Rogue(or Dark himself) were the one taking down Maru we'd have been already reminded by now how strong and smart they are.
Nah not with it leading into a zvz finals, maybe with dark as his games vs Maru tend to look more insane. Maybe if we got like 4 games of game 2 like proportions there would be praise.
edit: also what should we praise? Serral played well did not do any real mistakes and then just killed maru, non exciting stuff doesn't generate praise.
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On May 01 2022 23:38 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2022 23:27 dysenterymd wrote:On May 01 2022 23:26 allmotor1 wrote:On May 01 2022 23:22 Xain0n wrote:
New, less Zerg favored maps are needed. It was already clear in December, to be honest.
So weird(definitely not) that the balance whine increases when non korean Zerg players win, tho...
Rooting for Reynor here! Zerg is OP, when its Z v protoss 99.999% you already know the zerg will win. Terran is literally non relevant as far as an actual player who wins tournaments besides Maru. Clearly the best explanation for Maru beating Reynor and Dark before losing to Serral is a game that's imbalanced beyond saving. And yeah no shit Maru is the only Terran who is consistently winning championships, of the four horsemen two are in the military, one is permanently worse after his time in the military, and one is Maru. If Dark, Rogue, and Serral were to disappear tomorrow Reynor would be the only Zerg consistently winning championships. This map pool is Zerg favored but that's just a blip against the story of Terran decline. You think if TY and INnoVation were still playing they'd have won this tournament over the gauntlet of Zergs? Please stay honest, they weren't beating the top Zergs before going to military, they wouldn't now
I don't think any of them would go through the entire gauntlet of top Zergs in this map pool. That wouldn't be necessary for there to be much more diverse top 8s/ro4s though. Right now it's basically just another top zerg or Maru that's capable of stopping the top 4 Zerg, but Innovation at least would fairly often take out someone like Dark or Rogue even if he didn't go on to make a deep run. Inno in his uninspired final year would probably perform like Bunny though.
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On May 01 2022 23:44 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2022 23:25 darklycid wrote:On May 01 2022 23:22 Xain0n wrote:
New, less Zerg favored maps are needed. It was already clear in December, to be honest.
So weird(definitely not) that the balance whine increases when non korean Zerg players win, tho...
Rooting for Reynor here! ? It's always when there is a ZvZ finals or a zerg filled playoffs that's just your bias speaking. Problem is just that this mostly happens in tournaments where all of the top zergs particiapte in (also in foreign tournaments more often than the kr ones) Not a single positive word about Serral beating Maru after the latter defeated Reynor and 3-0d Dark. If Rogue(or Dark himself) were the one taking down Maru we'd have been already reminded by now how strong and smart they are.
I am pretty sure lots of people were picking 3-4 Zerg into the Ro.4, and a ZvZ final, before the tournament even began. And Dark and Rogue have beaten Maru in recent time as well, on this same map pool, so I am not sure how much people are praising those guys had they beaten Maru instead. All the praise seems to be for Maru to be able to hold against such unfavorable conditions and odds.
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On May 01 2022 23:41 allmotor1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2022 23:27 tigera6 wrote:
As a Maru fan, who also criticize him for having terrible opening whenever he does it, I dont mind this loss to be quite honest. Yeah the hellbat push was shit, but Berlingrad isnt a Terran map, its 50/50 at best, and Maru had to do something else other than playing the macro game and die to a sudden attack from the Zerg. Curious Mind is also "manageable" by Zerg, as long as they can figure out the 3 racks opening, or the 2 base all-in from Terran. I agree. It's just at this point, it's almost a foregone conclusion it'll be a zvz finals. Usually Rogue/Serral/Reynor/Dark. And you can forget about Protoss even having a chance. And watching zvt is even getting stale at this point, if T can't do anything significant, once it goes late game, Z wins. they just swallow the map and make god tier units like lurkers and if you aren't Maru you are not winning.
You know what, I blame Maru for this, he should have lost to Reynor and take 2nd place, that way we could have had all 4 Zergs on the same side of the bracket and the rest are on the other side. That way we can have a non zvz grand final, just copy from GSL, they let Dark and Rogue play each other all the damn time.
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Maru 2x1 Reynor, Maru 3x0 Dark, Maru 1 x 3 Serral
Conclusion: Zerg OP
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On May 01 2022 23:44 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2022 23:25 darklycid wrote:On May 01 2022 23:22 Xain0n wrote:
New, less Zerg favored maps are needed. It was already clear in December, to be honest.
So weird(definitely not) that the balance whine increases when non korean Zerg players win, tho...
Rooting for Reynor here! ? It's always when there is a ZvZ finals or a zerg filled playoffs that's just your bias speaking. Problem is just that this mostly happens in tournaments where all of the top zergs particiapte in (also in foreign tournaments more often than the kr ones) Not a single positive word about Serral beating Maru after the latter defeated Reynor and 3-0d Dark. If Rogue(or Dark himself) were the one taking down Maru we'd have been already reminded by now how strong and smart they are.
Come on, get out with your head-canon imaginized victimizing.
Zerg won a lot of GSLs in the last year and there were always people complaining.
And there was a Protoss complain thread which specifically focused on GSL results (in which the top foreigners don't play afaik)
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