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PtossParty
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Charoisaur
Germany16103 Posts
On May 01 2022 23:55 LostUsername100 wrote: Maru 2x1 Reynor, Maru 3x0 Dark, Maru 1 x 3 Serral Conclusion: Zerg OP It's not about this one tournament only....... | ||
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allmotor1
153 Posts
On May 01 2022 23:44 Xain0n wrote: Not a single positive word about Serral beating Maru after the latter defeated Reynor and 3-0d Dark. If Rogue(or Dark himself) were the one taking down Maru we'd have been already reminded by now how strong and smart they are. the only one showing bias here is you man. You keep bringing serral 24/7. you literally worship him, its cringeworthy. | ||
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PtossParty
20 Posts
On May 01 2022 23:59 Charoisaur wrote: It's not about this one tournament only....... Also he is pointing to a 4 time gsl winner that has to play 3 zergs in a row because there is never other terrans at those stages. | ||
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tigera6
3516 Posts
On May 01 2022 23:59 Charoisaur wrote: It's not about this one tournament only....... The guy just failing math, even if we assume Maru is on equal footing with the top Zergs (the ONLY player in the world who is capable of that so far), that means he has a 50/50 chance to beat one top Zerg at a time, but he need to win 3 in a row to win the tournament, that leave us a whooping 12.5% chance of a non-Zerg winning any tournament, depending on how the bracket works out. Yeah, Zerg is OP, at least on the current map pool. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27464 Posts
On May 02 2022 00:07 tigera6 wrote: The guy just failing math, even if we assume Maru is on equal footing with the top Zergs (the ONLY player in the world who is capable of that so far), that means he has a 50/50 chance to beat one top Zerg at a time, but he need to win 3 in a row to win the tournament, that leave us a whooping 12.5% chance of a non-Zerg winning any tournament, depending on how the bracket works out. Yeah, Zerg is OP, at least on the current map pool. On the flip side even if you retool things you’re still left with 4 Zergs who are a clear tier above in their race, and Maru largely standing alone. It’s not like Zergs outside of those 4 have been crushing it for the last few years | ||
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Kashim
Poland1241 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany16103 Posts
On May 02 2022 00:14 WombaT wrote: On the flip side even if you retool things you’re still left with 4 Zergs who are a clear tier above in their race, and Maru largely standing alone. It’s not like Zergs outside of those 4 have been crushing it for the last few years Yeah I think you need to be very good to take advantages of the strength of the Zerg race but once you reach that skilllevel Zerg is advantaged over the other races. I mean just with the eye-test watching these games I feel Zerg has way more room for mistakes and more opportunities to make plays than terran. Not even speaking of ZvP, I think it's even worse there | ||
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tigera6
3516 Posts
On May 02 2022 00:14 WombaT wrote: On the flip side even if you retool things you’re still left with 4 Zergs who are a clear tier above in their race, and Maru largely standing alone. It’s not like Zergs outside of those 4 have been crushing it for the last few years True, but even then I would still blame the map pool, it should be designed such that other Top Terran has a better shot at beating top Zerg, not Maru alone carry the TvZ matchup. Cure and Clem, who are the 2 other best Terran, and occasionally HM, who need the buff more than Maru himself in this matchup. Cure used to be able to 3-0 Serral or 2-0 Reynor in some tournament before, but now hes literally un-winnable against those guys, like all of his "tools" got stripped away somehow. Clem is still finding his way out of the limbo he is in, and unlikely to get out anytime soon. | ||
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darklycid
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JJH777
United States4420 Posts
On May 02 2022 00:14 WombaT wrote: On the flip side even if you retool things you’re still left with 4 Zergs who are a clear tier above in their race, and Maru largely standing alone. It’s not like Zergs outside of those 4 have been crushing it for the last few years If the top 4 of every race retired tomorrow I'd still bet on Zerg winning the most tournaments. The non top 4 Zergs have low motivation currently because even if they improve they will still lose the ZvZs. Plus Solar is a choker. | ||
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darklycid
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
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SmoKim
Denmark10305 Posts
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Kashim
Poland1241 Posts
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dysenterymd
1250 Posts
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LostUsername100
100 Posts
On May 02 2022 00:31 dysenterymd wrote: Serral really seems to suck at ZvZ online. With the form he showed he would have lost offline anyways though ZvZ is extremely volatile, Reynor just has a read on Serral even w/o scouting properly, I don't think it has to do anything with the online part. Rogue got absolutely dominated by Serral in late game, then just went with random all ins every game and almost beat Serral. | ||
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dysenterymd
1250 Posts
On May 02 2022 00:33 LostUsername100 wrote: ZvZ is extremely volatile, Reynor just has a read on Serral even w/o scouting properly, I don't think it has to do anything with the online part. Rogue got absolutely dominated by Serral in late game, then just went with random all ins every game and almost beat Serral. Serral did say in an interview pre Katowice that he thought his more reactive style was better offline than online, and considering how much better his offline record is against top Zergs than his online record there might be something to that. Or maybe he just peaked for Katowice. Serral did just play worse today though, it's not like he got heavily mind gamed. He played worse in the straight up games. | ||
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tigera6
3516 Posts
On May 02 2022 00:33 LostUsername100 wrote: ZvZ is extremely volatile, Reynor just has a read on Serral even w/o scouting properly, I don't think it has to do anything with the online part. Rogue got absolutely dominated by Serral in late game, then just went with random all ins every game and almost beat Serral. Thats why people are not excited about ZvZ in general, especially in Grand Final, you just dont get lots of good series from that. TvZ almost always guarantee a long and exciting match at the top level, then PvZ could also go either way, depending on who the Protoss is. Edit: And now we get to see if its 4-0 or 4-1 in the GSL. | ||
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sirok_
33 Posts
Despite the addition of multiple minor Zerg nerfs and new maps. But who knows, maybe the balance "council of the wise" will get things back on track by agreeing to add 0.20 second to lurker burrow time or raise baneling prices by 5 minerals before 2023. I'm not sure if the top Zerg in the council would agree to such daring changes, but we can hope. | ||
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(also in foreign tournaments more often than the kr ones)
