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Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13322 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-11-28 13:34:04
November 28 2021 13:32 GMT
#101
Zerg has been perfectly balanced, as all things should be, since 2017
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33505 Posts
November 28 2021 13:33 GMT
#102
So weird to see Zest fall off so rapidly after being great for almost all of 2021. Did he finally get his military summons letter?
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55561 Posts
November 28 2021 13:34 GMT
#103
On November 28 2021 22:33 Waxangel wrote:
So weird to see Zest fall off so rapidly after being great for almost all of 2021. Did he finally get his military summons letter?

I would assume so, the drop is absurd.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
atrox_
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom1711 Posts
November 28 2021 13:34 GMT
#104
are there any rules posted anywhere for how servers are decided? Or is that kept between players? (note: not looking to whine about outcomes just would genuinely like to know)
swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2449 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-11-28 13:38:50
November 28 2021 13:37 GMT
#105
On November 28 2021 22:33 Waxangel wrote:
So weird to see Zest fall off so rapidly after being great for almost all of 2021. Did he finally get his military summons letter?


I think so. As much as Zest did not deliver as we expected him, I think Cure's performance was much disappointing than him.
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3517 Posts
November 28 2021 13:57 GMT
#106
PvZ is such a dumb matchup, can't we just make a gentlemans agreement to stop doing queen walks and 2sg openers in tournaments.
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
November 28 2021 13:58 GMT
#107
On November 28 2021 22:16 Elentos wrote:
I wish Blizzard didn't stop working on the game in one of the most asinine, atrocious and unfun ZvP/PvZ metas of all time.

Blizzard is the company who got us into this mess, do you trust them to fix this? Ifear they would make things worse.
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55561 Posts
November 28 2021 13:58 GMT
#108
On November 28 2021 22:57 darklycid wrote:
PvZ is such a dumb matchup, can't we just make a gentlemans agreement to stop doing queen walks and 2sg openers in tournaments.

Nah, Zerg players are scum even though they'd never admit it. And Protoss players are desperate.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
November 28 2021 13:59 GMT
#109
I turn it on and I’m blessed with that last Zest game and… this… Christ, PvZ.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
November 28 2021 14:01 GMT
#110
On November 28 2021 22:58 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2021 22:57 darklycid wrote:
PvZ is such a dumb matchup, can't we just make a gentlemans agreement to stop doing queen walks and 2sg openers in tournaments.

Nah, Zerg players are scum even though they'd never admit it. And Protoss players are desperate.

I love how the casters in every PvZ try to pretend this is a great matchup and so much fun is happening
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55561 Posts
November 28 2021 14:01 GMT
#111
On November 28 2021 22:58 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2021 22:16 Elentos wrote:
I wish Blizzard didn't stop working on the game in one of the most asinine, atrocious and unfun ZvP/PvZ metas of all time.

Blizzard is the company who got us into this mess, do you trust them to fix this? Ifear they would make things worse.

They could have stopped earlier. I didn't ask for them to do year-end patches every year in LotV. Then we could have done funky shit with maps and pretended we were Brood War.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33505 Posts
November 28 2021 14:02 GMT
#112
On November 28 2021 22:34 atrox_ wrote:
are there any rules posted anywhere for how servers are decided? Or is that kept between players? (note: not looking to whine about outcomes just would genuinely like to know)


Here: Section 4. It's actually a bit complex :p
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12906 Posts
November 28 2021 14:04 GMT
#113
This queen walk meta is kinda awful for a spectator, I can’t imagine for the players. Dunno whose favored balance wise but it makes the match-up the worst personally, I enjoy more ZvZ/PvP atm
WriterMaru
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3446 Posts
November 28 2021 14:04 GMT
#114
Zest used to be able to defend Queen Walk to near perfection previously, his double SG and defense setup has been very good. Not sure why the hell its so un-watchable nowadays.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55561 Posts
November 28 2021 14:06 GMT
#115
On November 28 2021 23:04 tigera6 wrote:
Zest used to be able to defend Queen Walk to near perfection previously, his double SG and defense setup has been very good. Not sure why the hell its so un-watchable nowadays.

It's always been unwatachable shit even when people held it. But recently Zest looks like he's basically done with the game and just counting days to his enlistment date.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
November 28 2021 14:08 GMT
#116
On November 28 2021 23:01 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2021 22:58 deacon.frost wrote:
On November 28 2021 22:16 Elentos wrote:
I wish Blizzard didn't stop working on the game in one of the most asinine, atrocious and unfun ZvP/PvZ metas of all time.

Blizzard is the company who got us into this mess, do you trust them to fix this? Ifear they would make things worse.

They could have stopped earlier. I didn't ask for them to do year-end patches every year in LotV. Then we could have done funky shit with maps and pretended we were Brood War.

Well, missed opportunity is a nice stuff, but reality is different xD So do you trust Blizzard enough to patch them this shit? :D I don't :D
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55561 Posts
November 28 2021 14:08 GMT
#117
I think tempests vs mass ling is an inspired decision
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55561 Posts
November 28 2021 14:09 GMT
#118
On November 28 2021 23:08 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2021 23:01 Elentos wrote:
On November 28 2021 22:58 deacon.frost wrote:
On November 28 2021 22:16 Elentos wrote:
I wish Blizzard didn't stop working on the game in one of the most asinine, atrocious and unfun ZvP/PvZ metas of all time.

Blizzard is the company who got us into this mess, do you trust them to fix this? Ifear they would make things worse.

They could have stopped earlier. I didn't ask for them to do year-end patches every year in LotV. Then we could have done funky shit with maps and pretended we were Brood War.

Well, missed opportunity is a nice stuff, but reality is different xD So do you trust Blizzard enough to patch them this shit? :D I don't :D

They can fix this easily, without question. The real question is always what they break in return.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33505 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-11-28 14:10:50
November 28 2021 14:10 GMT
#119
I've seen some good defenses against the ling-bane-queen with good sim city + force field. I wonder how much early-scouting/reads you need to set it up though.
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13322 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-11-28 14:11:22
November 28 2021 14:11 GMT
#120
On November 28 2021 23:10 Waxangel wrote:
I've seen some good defenses against the ling-bane-queen with good sim city + force field. I do wonder if you need a lot of early-scouting/reads to set it up though.

Oh, you can definitely defend. The problem is that you almost never come out ahead and it's very easy for Zerg to transition into a macro game.
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