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Waxangel
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darklycid
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[PkF] Wire
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Elentos
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On November 26 2021 23:54 darklycid wrote: Zest has been pretty disappointing lately :/ Since the loss to Cure in GSL it's been pretty downhill. I suppose that's just another tell the end of his career is nigh. | ||
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2449 Posts
On November 27 2021 00:01 Elentos wrote: Since the loss to Cure in GSL it's been pretty downhill. I suppose that's just another tell the end of his career is nigh. Yeah kind of. Zest maybe didn't think that he needed to retire gracefully when military service just near (or maybe he managed to avoid?) so that he spent remaining time to entertain us even with downhill performance. | ||
Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On November 26 2021 23:48 Argonauta wrote: I hate queen walks. I understand them, but i hate them. Queen walks are the modern soul train, maybe it's better than the alternative, but it's still a pain. | ||
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Poopi
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Argonauta
Spain4948 Posts
On November 27 2021 00:10 Poopi wrote: On the one hand I am disappointed that Zest loses yet again, but on the other hand that reinforces my belief / intuition that he is entering in a slump Im digging what the caster say, either Zest looks pristine or he looks helpless. No middle ground, no consistency . | ||
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Captain Peabody
United States3110 Posts
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Poopi
France12883 Posts
gg Maru | ||
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digmouse
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Nakajin
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 Happy to have them though, it's a great duo for the TSL vibe.Clem-herO could be interesting, Clem tvp is looking mighty but if herO is really looking to get back to the top, that could be the kind of match to get him up there. | ||
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Elentos
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darklycid
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Nakajin
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Elentos
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Durnuu
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2449 Posts
On November 27 2021 21:48 Nakajin wrote: Nice stuff from herO, stopping void at three and instead going pheonix and lot of gateway unit seemed to have confused Clem Yeah, the phoenixs caught the cyclones while void rays focuses on destroying the factory. HerO had more game sense even though his mechanic was still poorly handled due to not playing for about two years. | ||
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Elentos
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has a similar energy to 'I wanted something reliable and steady so I went disruptors' | ||
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Waxangel
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Waxangel
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On November 27 2021 21:48 Elentos wrote: Repulsive as that was, it was impressively executed. if I recall, the proper defense used to be "make mines and hope you RNG well" | ||
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Elentos
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On November 27 2021 22:02 Waxangel wrote: if I recall, the proper defense used to be "make mines and hope you RNG well" Times have changed. Voids build faster, are cheaper and move faster now. Mines rely too much on the Protoss being bad in this situation. | ||
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Waxangel
United States33388 Posts
On November 27 2021 22:13 Elentos wrote: Times have changed. Voids build faster, are cheaper and move faster now. Mines rely too much on the Protoss being bad in this situation. oh I meant the phoenix-adept | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
Well phoenix/adept was really just either try to turtle to ghosts or pray you don't get absolutely destroyed by your own widow mines. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
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sudete
Singapore3054 Posts
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On November 27 2021 22:36 deacon.frost wrote: Looks that they either read TL during breaks or it was a nerve issue, either way it's now better Steadfast does come to TL once in a while I think so. Also, I can't beleive I never made the solar=Bomber law comparaison, it's really the same stuff. | ||
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Elentos
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MajiN1
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On November 27 2021 22:47 Elentos wrote: I can't remember the last time I've felt so apathetic about an ID change as with souL to Spirit. Vanya to Rattata ? | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
No, that's gorgeous. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7298 Posts
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Elentos
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
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Elentos
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Press X to Serral | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On November 27 2021 23:35 Nakajin wrote: Cure most disappointing GSL champion since Roro? Classic, most people forgot 14 days after his title he won a title (partially because Blizzard then organized WCS Season Global Finals and then he dropped in the RO32 Code S ) | ||
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Waxangel
United States33388 Posts
On November 27 2021 23:35 Nakajin wrote: Cure most disappointing GSL champion since Roro? Pretty sure Cure is just burned out/resting. He did a Crank/Team NV interview where he said where his entire life was basically 100% StarCraft II during his GSL run. | ||
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Elentos
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On November 27 2021 23:37 Waxangel wrote: Pretty sure Cure is just burned out/resting. He did a Crank/Team NV interview where he said where his entire life was basically 100% StarCraft II during his GSL run. His life was just playing against Protoss and praying nobody else gets in his way. | ||
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2449 Posts
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On November 27 2021 23:37 Waxangel wrote: Pretty sure Cure is just burned out/resting. He did a Crank/Team NV interview where he said where his entire life was basically 100% StarCraft II during his GSL run. Fair enough, he earned it, winning a big one after such a long carrer | ||
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tigera6
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Waxangel
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On November 27 2021 23:40 tigera6 wrote: So much for being called the 2nd best TvT behind Maru. Just shows how godlike Maru is. | ||
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Elentos
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On November 27 2021 23:40 tigera6 wrote: So much for being called the 2nd best TvT behind Maru. Maru is good at TvT, everyone else is trying their best. | ||
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darklycid
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deacon.frost
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Nakajin
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On November 27 2021 17:03 digmouse wrote: I'm honestly not feeling the "best of 3 till final 6" setup. I agree, I didn't realize how far they were stretching the Bo3 setup. I still don't mind it because I'm always down for variety, but it does mean that I'm not going to take the results of this as seriously as I do for other tournaments. With how violatile SC2 is it's always easy to take someone down in a Bo3, even if they are the stronger player. | ||
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Elentos
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On November 28 2021 00:20 Elentos wrote: Rogue is growing a mustache and a goatee, he's becoming his own evil twin. Well, he's finally embracing his evilness. That's fine. | ||
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Poopi
France12883 Posts
On November 27 2021 23:40 tigera6 wrote: So much for being called the 2nd best TvT behind Maru. It’s random bo3 for TSL8, as long as he comes in form for Katowice is what matters ultimately He gotta eliminate Trap to allow Maru a doable path! | ||
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2449 Posts
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darklycid
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Elentos
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Waxangel
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swarminfestor
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On November 28 2021 01:59 Nakajin wrote: Is there no end to Creator suffering? Always choke at the right time when he should be winning. | ||
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DBooN
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Elentos
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deacon.frost
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On November 28 2021 02:15 Waxangel wrote: adaptive talons I always wonder what were they thinking when they added this upgrade. | ||
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Charoisaur
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royalroadweed
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Elentos
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On November 28 2021 02:15 Charoisaur wrote: trying to play ground toss vs mass lurkers in 2021 Ground toss without a robo bay and researching storm but never having any ready | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On November 28 2021 02:20 Elentos wrote: Ground toss without a robo bay and researching storm but never having any ready Storm wouldn't change the fights, lurkers don't care about storm. | ||
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DBooN
Germany2727 Posts
On November 28 2021 02:22 deacon.frost wrote: Storm wouldn't change the fights, lurkers don't care about storm. Dark had like 60 lings absorbing all the damage. | ||
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swarminfestor
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Elentos
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On November 28 2021 02:26 DBooN wrote: Dark had like 60 lings absorbing all the damage. Exactly, storms would have allowed him to get away with more units. | ||
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deacon.frost
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DBooN
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Waxangel
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swarminfestor
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deacon.frost
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On November 28 2021 02:42 swarminfestor wrote: Never thought Byun vs Scarlett may turned out to be bizzare but entertaining so far. Teamkill curse? | ||
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2449 Posts
Could be. | ||
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tigera6
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She was up 1-1 vs +1 and then 2-2 vs 1-1 for so long and couldnt use any of that advantage, and also delayed her own Hive tech was "the throw" | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
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DBooN
Germany2727 Posts
On November 28 2021 02:51 deacon.frost wrote: Ultras into throw sounds really cringy and wrong. Ultras into lose or riot! I agree, Ultras into throw implies that the ultras themselves aren't the throw. | ||
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Waxangel
United States33388 Posts
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DBooN
Germany2727 Posts
On November 28 2021 03:05 Waxangel wrote: Ultras into lose? Terran counters with 3/3 into win I was gonna say "We're not playing Hots anymore.", but apparently Scarlett is. | ||
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swarminfestor
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Nakajin
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Poopi
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
ByuN be like - HAHAHA! You can't mine without bases! Also MULEs | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
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deacon.frost
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Charoisaur
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Waxangel
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darklycid
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On November 28 2021 21:40 Waxangel wrote: The late-game TvP confidence we've seen from players like Ryung and GuMiho has surprised me. Feels like just a few months ago, late-game TvP was a death sentence for the 'weaker' player—is this what we call a meta-shift ?Just play like Maru, guys? | ||
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Elentos
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Elentos
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On November 28 2021 22:33 Waxangel wrote: So weird to see Zest fall off so rapidly after being great for almost all of 2021. Did he finally get his military summons letter? I would assume so, the drop is absurd. | ||
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2449 Posts
On November 28 2021 22:33 Waxangel wrote: So weird to see Zest fall off so rapidly after being great for almost all of 2021. Did he finally get his military summons letter? I think so. As much as Zest did not deliver as we expected him, I think Cure's performance was much disappointing than him. | ||
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darklycid
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On November 28 2021 22:16 Elentos wrote: I wish Blizzard didn't stop working on the game in one of the most asinine, atrocious and unfun ZvP/PvZ metas of all time. Blizzard is the company who got us into this mess, do you trust them to fix this? Ifear they would make things worse. | ||
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Elentos
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On November 28 2021 22:57 darklycid wrote: PvZ is such a dumb matchup, can't we just make a gentlemans agreement to stop doing queen walks and 2sg openers in tournaments. Nah, Zerg players are scum even though they'd never admit it. And Protoss players are desperate. | ||
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Zambrah
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On November 28 2021 22:58 Elentos wrote: Nah, Zerg players are scum even though they'd never admit it. And Protoss players are desperate. I love how the casters in every PvZ try to pretend this is a great matchup and so much fun is happening | ||
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Elentos
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On November 28 2021 22:58 deacon.frost wrote: Blizzard is the company who got us into this mess, do you trust them to fix this? Ifear they would make things worse. They could have stopped earlier. I didn't ask for them to do year-end patches every year in LotV. Then we could have done funky shit with maps and pretended we were Brood War. | ||
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Waxangel
United States33388 Posts
On November 28 2021 22:34 atrox_ wrote: are there any rules posted anywhere for how servers are decided? Or is that kept between players? (note: not looking to whine about outcomes just would genuinely like to know) Here: Section 4. It's actually a bit complex :p | ||
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Poopi
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tigera6
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Elentos
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On November 28 2021 23:04 tigera6 wrote: Zest used to be able to defend Queen Walk to near perfection previously, his double SG and defense setup has been very good. Not sure why the hell its so un-watchable nowadays. It's always been unwatachable shit even when people held it. But recently Zest looks like he's basically done with the game and just counting days to his enlistment date. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On November 28 2021 23:01 Elentos wrote: They could have stopped earlier. I didn't ask for them to do year-end patches every year in LotV. Then we could have done funky shit with maps and pretended we were Brood War. Well, missed opportunity is a nice stuff, but reality is different xD So do you trust Blizzard enough to patch them this shit? :D I don't :D | ||
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On November 28 2021 23:08 deacon.frost wrote: Well, missed opportunity is a nice stuff, but reality is different xD So do you trust Blizzard enough to patch them this shit? :D I don't :D They can fix this easily, without question. The real question is always what they break in return. | ||
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Waxangel
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Durnuu
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On November 28 2021 23:10 Waxangel wrote: I've seen some good defenses against the ling-bane-queen with good sim city + force field. I do wonder if you need a lot of early-scouting/reads to set it up though. Oh, you can definitely defend. The problem is that you almost never come out ahead and it's very easy for Zerg to transition into a macro game. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On November 28 2021 23:09 Elentos wrote: They can fix this easily, without question. The real question is always what they break in return. Well that's exactly what I am worried of. That they will fix queen walks and we get something even worse in return. | ||
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Durnuu
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On November 28 2021 23:13 deacon.frost wrote: Well that's exactly what I am worried of. That they will fix queen walks and we get something even worse in return. Can't wait for BL/infestors 3.0 | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On November 28 2021 23:13 deacon.frost wrote: Well that's exactly what I am worried of. That they will fix queen walks and we get something even worse in return. I feel like making queen unable to transfuse off creep and bumping the production time on void would be a pretty simple fix, not to much to break there | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15961 Posts
On November 28 2021 23:21 Nakajin wrote: I feel like making queen unable to transfuse off creep and bumping the production time on void would be a pretty simple fix, not to much to break there I mean, the Queen walk is a response to the VR openings. If those are nerfed Queen walks prob won't be a problem anymore. The real problem is that other openings are pretty bad since the WP cost increase | ||
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Sent.
Poland9198 Posts
On November 28 2021 23:27 Nakajin wrote: By the way, does someone know if Ratata is named after the Pokemon or the firing onomatopoeia? Probably the pokemon because his chosen name is Rattata with double t in the middle, exactly the Pokemon's name. | ||
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Elentos
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On November 28 2021 23:27 Nakajin wrote: By the way, does someone know if Ratata is named after the Pokemon or the firing onomatopoeia? Given that it's spelt exactly like the Pokémon and I've never seen anyone use that spelling to describe the sound of gunshots, I'm gonna go ahead and guess he's taken up the name of a purple rodent. | ||
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WardiTV
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On November 28 2021 23:36 Elentos wrote: Given that it's spelt exactly like the Pokémon and I've never seen anyone use that spelling to describe the sound of gunshots, I'm gonna go ahead and guess he's taken up the name of a purple rodent. He also changed his profile pic on twitter to a rattata | ||
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Durnuu
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On November 28 2021 23:47 WardiTV wrote: He also changed his profile pic on twitter to a rattata What if it's a rattata with a gun though? | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
lol at the reactions, same as mine xD | ||
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2449 Posts
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Durnuu
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On November 29 2021 00:11 swarminfestor wrote: I felt bad that Clem may bombed out early in this tournament. Well, maybe he could try being good at more than 1 matchup | ||
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ZombieGrub
United States704 Posts
On November 28 2021 23:55 deacon.frost wrote: lol those questons xD Currently in here we have worse numbers than the last year and that's with some people vaccinated lol at the reactions, same as mine xD I didn't see how they cut up the video but I mentioned that Katowice is confirmed offline. There's already a few events going on in other esports with offline players and even crowd. No one knows the future tho so we just pivoted to talking about what they'd want changed. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On November 29 2021 00:15 ZombieGrub wrote: I didn't see how they cut up the video but I mentioned that Katowice is confirmed offline. There's already a few events going on in other esports with offline players and even crowd. No one knows the future tho so we just pivoted to talking about what they'd want changed. Aw yeah, this was more a funny moment for me, I get the question after 2 years of online only. Just the wording with COVID getting better at this moment is unfortunate | ||
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Waxangel
United States33388 Posts
On November 29 2021 00:22 Nakajin wrote: God dammit Clem, you were suppose to be the chosen one sadly, being a tvz king and questionable in tvt and tvp is a pretty classic trait for terran heroes historically | ||
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darklycid
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On November 29 2021 00:24 Waxangel wrote: sadly, being a tvz king and questionable in tvt and tvp is a pretty classic trait for terran heroes historically Tbf his tvp improved a lot lately, only his tvt seems to be lacking. | ||
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2449 Posts
On November 29 2021 00:24 Waxangel wrote: sadly, being a tvz king and questionable in tvt and tvp is a pretty classic trait for terran heroes historically Clem should just consider playing in GSL next year perhaps. Marinelord and Heromarine do not help him either in Eu region. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
I would say he's not in great shape atm overall. | ||
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Waxangel
United States33388 Posts
On November 29 2021 00:27 swarminfestor wrote: Clem should just consider playing in GSL next year perhaps. Marinelord and Heromarine do not help him either in Eu region. maybe there's something to it, but how does one explain 2018 Serral then  | ||
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Durnuu
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On November 29 2021 00:28 Waxangel wrote: maybe there's something to it, but how does one explain 2018 Serral then hydras and banelings | ||
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tigera6
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Lots of his move in early game are too "all-in", and when they dont work its horrible. His macro is plenty great enough to win a straight up macro TvT game against anyone but Maru. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On November 29 2021 00:28 Waxangel wrote: maybe there's something to it, but how does one explain 2018 Serral then Do we really want to go down this road? | ||
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Elentos
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On November 29 2021 00:36 Nakajin wrote: Pretty important win for Dream in regard to Kato by the way, he's currently 30 or so point in front of Zoun who occupy the last spot for the main stage with Solar just behind. With Solar-Zoun coming up in ST3 and Zoun still alive in Next, he really need a deep run here. Keep in mind there's a big chance Zest will drop out. | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On November 29 2021 00:38 Elentos wrote: Keep in mind there's a big chance Zest will drop out. Ah shit that's true | ||
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2449 Posts
On November 29 2021 00:38 Elentos wrote: Keep in mind there's a big chance Zest will drop out. I think Rogue too. | ||
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tigera6
3397 Posts
On November 29 2021 00:38 Elentos wrote: Keep in mind there's a big chance Zest will drop out. Yeah, not sure why Zest military service status is still not yet confirmed even at this point. But more importantly, I want to see if there is any good chance for Classic and Hero to make it to the Ro36 of IEM, depending on how Hero does in this tournament and how Classic does in NeXT. | ||
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Elentos
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On November 29 2021 00:43 tigera6 wrote: Yeah, not sure why Zest military service status is still not yet confirmed even at this point. But more importantly, I want to see if there is any good chance for Classic and Hero to make it to the Ro36 of IEM, depending on how Hero does in this tournament and how Classic does in NeXT. Well the last spot in the Ro36 is currently Hurricane who I believe retired as well. So I don't mind their odds. | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On November 29 2021 00:43 tigera6 wrote: Yeah, not sure why Zest military service status is still not yet confirmed even at this point. But more importantly, I want to see if there is any good chance for Classic and Hero to make it to the Ro36 of IEM, depending on how Hero does in this tournament and how Classic does in NeXT. Edit: nvm I'm an idiot | ||
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Waxangel
United States33388 Posts
On November 29 2021 00:48 Elentos wrote: Well the last spot in the Ro36 is currently Hurricane who I believe retired as well. So I don't mind their odds. damn, they changed the prize distributions so Hurricane isn't incentivized to unretire for the paycheck | ||
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Durnuu
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On November 29 2021 01:00 Waxangel wrote: damn, they changed the prize distributions so Hurricane isn't incentivized to unretire for the paycheck Apollo once again actively working against the korean scene | ||
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Waxangel
United States33388 Posts
On November 29 2021 03:10 Vindicare605 wrote: Oof. Clem, Zest and Gumiho all out in the Ro32 without winning a set. good result for 'era of unprecedented parity' fam | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16071 Posts
On November 29 2021 03:15 Waxangel wrote: good result for 'era of unprecedented parity' fam I don't know about that, but Zest and Clem have been on pretty major slumps lately, Zest in particular. Gumiho is still in his "just came back from the military" phase. I keep hoping we'll see him resurge like we have with some other players but that's still a ways off if it happens at all. | ||
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UnLarva
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We'll get rid of balance whine, new metas, further patches, tiring blah blahs etc. When Parity finally hits upon us like it should've been aeon's ago, people just forget racism because every tournament, every matchup, every map, everything is always inherently balanced by the fact that you must always play the game from both sides of the match up. In all of esports, the "balance" issues are THE most easily solvable "problems" ever in SC2, if the "parity" is the ultimate goal at top level competition. Only guys who are good with all of races are worthy enough... Parity is not something that must be struggled for if desired, it is just automatic conclusion and the result from the situation where the racial imbalances are collectively balanced via consensus (even if forced by majority - lol) by everyone with voluntarily accepted necessity to play equally with all races in every tournaments of some worth... It's only about tournament formats and brackets, and maps. The parity. Balance was, is, and will be non-issue, as long as people think the game as a whole, not a race. Blizzard should allow only "random" at ladders. | ||
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