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On November 14 2021 02:48 DarkGamer wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2021 02:42 JJH777 wrote:On November 14 2021 02:39 DarkGamer wrote:On November 14 2021 02:22 JJH777 wrote:On November 14 2021 02:14 DarkGamer wrote:On November 14 2021 02:07 JJH777 wrote:On November 14 2021 01:56 nojok wrote:
Imagine if Serral was born in Korea, he'd be the goatest. If Serral was Korean with the same results no one would call him the GOAT. I would: Vs maru 6-2 Vs ty 5-2 Vs cure 7-2 Vs Innovation 16-8 Vs rogue 5-4 Vs dark 4-4 Vs Solar 7-3 Vs Trap 12-3 Vs Zest 10-3 No one i looked up has a winning record against him. I think thats a strong argument. And yet he's only managed to win 1 world championship in 9 attempts. Almost like a lot of those wins have huge asterisks and the losses are in important big money events. He's also something like 0-15 in open qualifier events. He's only won stuff that artificially limits the amount of Korean participation. Tell me when he wins a tournament by beating only top 10 KR players back to back to back like every top KR player has done. In every important bracket he's played besides Blizzcon 2018 he's had at least one or two extremely easy opponents. You should look up your numbers before stating lies  To your question: for example gsl st! What lie? Serral has never played in a ST. Assuming you mean GSL vs the World those are not open qualifier and he had 1 very easy opponent in both. Oh you are right: gsl vs the world! 2019: wins against ty classic trap and elazer —> beside elazer ur statement is obvious wrong. 2018: wins against stats maru innovation and kelazur -> beside kelazur ur statement is abvious wrong. Now tell me plz in which 8 “world championships” serral competeted and didn’t win? So u c ur lie now? Or u tell me in which 15 open qualifiers he participate and didn’t qualify? U don’t have to answer, cuz its obviously wrong.
Blizzcon 2017, 2019. Katowice 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021. WESG 2018 and 2019.
Open qualifiers: The katowices and WESGs mentioned above make up the first 7. TSL x 3, ASUS Rog x 2, King of battles, Dreamhack Last Chance, NexT. He has never won an open qualifier event.
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On November 14 2021 02:48 TheLordofAwesome wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2021 02:47 tigera6 wrote:
The Tempest build was nice, but over-commited those away was pretty bad. He could have sniped the Queen-Ravager one by one with good enough micro. I thought they did really well on defense
Yes, thats why Zest should have used them on the defense from the beginning, those Tempests were away shooting at Hatchery while Zest 3rd base got burned down.
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this is going to be a 10/10 series
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so refreshing to not see a stargate build
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All the biles landing on the Immortals.
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On November 14 2021 02:51 JJH777 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2021 02:48 DarkGamer wrote:On November 14 2021 02:42 JJH777 wrote:On November 14 2021 02:39 DarkGamer wrote:On November 14 2021 02:22 JJH777 wrote:On November 14 2021 02:14 DarkGamer wrote:On November 14 2021 02:07 JJH777 wrote:On November 14 2021 01:56 nojok wrote:
Imagine if Serral was born in Korea, he'd be the goatest. If Serral was Korean with the same results no one would call him the GOAT. I would: Vs maru 6-2 Vs ty 5-2 Vs cure 7-2 Vs Innovation 16-8 Vs rogue 5-4 Vs dark 4-4 Vs Solar 7-3 Vs Trap 12-3 Vs Zest 10-3 No one i looked up has a winning record against him. I think thats a strong argument. And yet he's only managed to win 1 world championship in 9 attempts. Almost like a lot of those wins have huge asterisks and the losses are in important big money events. He's also something like 0-15 in open qualifier events. He's only won stuff that artificially limits the amount of Korean participation. Tell me when he wins a tournament by beating only top 10 KR players back to back to back like every top KR player has done. In every important bracket he's played besides Blizzcon 2018 he's had at least one or two extremely easy opponents. You should look up your numbers before stating lies To your question: for example gsl st! What lie? Serral has never played in a ST. Assuming you mean GSL vs the World those are not open qualifier and he had 1 very easy opponent in both. Oh you are right: gsl vs the world! 2019: wins against ty classic trap and elazer —> beside elazer ur statement is obvious wrong. 2018: wins against stats maru innovation and kelazur -> beside kelazur ur statement is abvious wrong. Now tell me plz in which 8 “world championships” serral competeted and didn’t win? So u c ur lie now? Or u tell me in which 15 open qualifiers he participate and didn’t qualify? U don’t have to answer, cuz its obviously wrong. Blizzcon 2017, 2019. Katowice 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021. WESG 2018 and 2019. Open qualifiers: The katowices and WESGs mentioned above make up the first 7. TSL x 3, ASUS Rog x 2, King of battles, Dreamhack Last Chance, NexT. He has never won an open qualifier event.
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"He had 1 very easy opponent in both"
Him: "besides that 1 guy you are obviously wrong"
Lol
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France12912 Posts
Gogo Zest! Hopefully he wins
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United States33599 Posts
Zest having a 10 micro score in WTL is the most baffling thing
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On November 14 2021 02:51 JJH777 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2021 02:48 DarkGamer wrote:On November 14 2021 02:42 JJH777 wrote:On November 14 2021 02:39 DarkGamer wrote:On November 14 2021 02:22 JJH777 wrote:On November 14 2021 02:14 DarkGamer wrote:On November 14 2021 02:07 JJH777 wrote:On November 14 2021 01:56 nojok wrote:
Imagine if Serral was born in Korea, he'd be the goatest. If Serral was Korean with the same results no one would call him the GOAT. I would: Vs maru 6-2 Vs ty 5-2 Vs cure 7-2 Vs Innovation 16-8 Vs rogue 5-4 Vs dark 4-4 Vs Solar 7-3 Vs Trap 12-3 Vs Zest 10-3 No one i looked up has a winning record against him. I think thats a strong argument. And yet he's only managed to win 1 world championship in 9 attempts. Almost like a lot of those wins have huge asterisks and the losses are in important big money events. He's also something like 0-15 in open qualifier events. He's only won stuff that artificially limits the amount of Korean participation. Tell me when he wins a tournament by beating only top 10 KR players back to back to back like every top KR player has done. In every important bracket he's played besides Blizzcon 2018 he's had at least one or two extremely easy opponents. You should look up your numbers before stating lies To your question: for example gsl st! What lie? Serral has never played in a ST. Assuming you mean GSL vs the World those are not open qualifier and he had 1 very easy opponent in both. Oh you are right: gsl vs the world! 2019: wins against ty classic trap and elazer —> beside elazer ur statement is obvious wrong. 2018: wins against stats maru innovation and kelazur -> beside kelazur ur statement is abvious wrong. Now tell me plz in which 8 “world championships” serral competeted and didn’t win? So u c ur lie now? Or u tell me in which 15 open qualifiers he participate and didn’t qualify? U don’t have to answer, cuz its obviously wrong. Blizzcon 2017, 2019. Katowice 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021. WESG 2018 and 2019. Open qualifiers: The katowices and WESGs mentioned above make up the first 7. TSL x 3, ASUS Rog x 2, King of battles, Dreamhack Last Chance, NexT. He has never won an open qualifier event.
Limiting by open qualifiers is a random ass designation. Oftentimes you don't even play S-class players AT LEAST until the Ro16, more often the Ro8. I'm not sure this has the impact you mean it to have.
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On November 14 2021 02:51 JJH777 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2021 02:48 DarkGamer wrote:On November 14 2021 02:42 JJH777 wrote:On November 14 2021 02:39 DarkGamer wrote:On November 14 2021 02:22 JJH777 wrote:On November 14 2021 02:14 DarkGamer wrote:On November 14 2021 02:07 JJH777 wrote:On November 14 2021 01:56 nojok wrote:
Imagine if Serral was born in Korea, he'd be the goatest. If Serral was Korean with the same results no one would call him the GOAT. I would: Vs maru 6-2 Vs ty 5-2 Vs cure 7-2 Vs Innovation 16-8 Vs rogue 5-4 Vs dark 4-4 Vs Solar 7-3 Vs Trap 12-3 Vs Zest 10-3 No one i looked up has a winning record against him. I think thats a strong argument. And yet he's only managed to win 1 world championship in 9 attempts. Almost like a lot of those wins have huge asterisks and the losses are in important big money events. He's also something like 0-15 in open qualifier events. He's only won stuff that artificially limits the amount of Korean participation. Tell me when he wins a tournament by beating only top 10 KR players back to back to back like every top KR player has done. In every important bracket he's played besides Blizzcon 2018 he's had at least one or two extremely easy opponents. You should look up your numbers before stating lies To your question: for example gsl st! What lie? Serral has never played in a ST. Assuming you mean GSL vs the World those are not open qualifier and he had 1 very easy opponent in both. Oh you are right: gsl vs the world! 2019: wins against ty classic trap and elazer —> beside elazer ur statement is obvious wrong. 2018: wins against stats maru innovation and kelazur -> beside kelazur ur statement is abvious wrong. Now tell me plz in which 8 “world championships” serral competeted and didn’t win? So u c ur lie now? Or u tell me in which 15 open qualifiers he participate and didn’t qualify? U don’t have to answer, cuz its obviously wrong. Blizzcon 2017, 2019. Katowice 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021. WESG 2018 and 2019. Open qualifiers: The katowices and WESGs mentioned above make up the first 7. TSL x 3, ASUS Rog x 2, King of battles, Dreamhack Last Chance, NexT. He has never won an open qualifier event.
Hm, just checked some data but that were mostly wrong. Example: Katowice 2017 serral qualified per server qualifier. And if someone auto-qualifier its not the players “fault” and u can’t use that for an argument he didn’t qualifier through the open qualifier. That doesn’t make any sense.
But i must agree that he lost more “world championships” then i remembered. But if u look the stats from the top Koreans i can’t find someone who did better.
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On November 14 2021 03:01 Waxangel wrote:
Zest having a 10 micro score in WTL is the most baffling thing
If he was deliberately trying to catch biles with his Immortals, his micro's pretty great.
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Serral has a claim on the GOAT title, its a weak and flimsy claim but he has it.
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On November 14 2021 03:02 DarkGamer wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2021 02:51 JJH777 wrote:On November 14 2021 02:48 DarkGamer wrote:On November 14 2021 02:42 JJH777 wrote:On November 14 2021 02:39 DarkGamer wrote:On November 14 2021 02:22 JJH777 wrote:On November 14 2021 02:14 DarkGamer wrote:On November 14 2021 02:07 JJH777 wrote:On November 14 2021 01:56 nojok wrote:
Imagine if Serral was born in Korea, he'd be the goatest. If Serral was Korean with the same results no one would call him the GOAT. I would: Vs maru 6-2 Vs ty 5-2 Vs cure 7-2 Vs Innovation 16-8 Vs rogue 5-4 Vs dark 4-4 Vs Solar 7-3 Vs Trap 12-3 Vs Zest 10-3 No one i looked up has a winning record against him. I think thats a strong argument. And yet he's only managed to win 1 world championship in 9 attempts. Almost like a lot of those wins have huge asterisks and the losses are in important big money events. He's also something like 0-15 in open qualifier events. He's only won stuff that artificially limits the amount of Korean participation. Tell me when he wins a tournament by beating only top 10 KR players back to back to back like every top KR player has done. In every important bracket he's played besides Blizzcon 2018 he's had at least one or two extremely easy opponents. You should look up your numbers before stating lies To your question: for example gsl st! What lie? Serral has never played in a ST. Assuming you mean GSL vs the World those are not open qualifier and he had 1 very easy opponent in both. Oh you are right: gsl vs the world! 2019: wins against ty classic trap and elazer —> beside elazer ur statement is obvious wrong. 2018: wins against stats maru innovation and kelazur -> beside kelazur ur statement is abvious wrong. Now tell me plz in which 8 “world championships” serral competeted and didn’t win? So u c ur lie now? Or u tell me in which 15 open qualifiers he participate and didn’t qualify? U don’t have to answer, cuz its obviously wrong. Blizzcon 2017, 2019. Katowice 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021. WESG 2018 and 2019. Open qualifiers: The katowices and WESGs mentioned above make up the first 7. TSL x 3, ASUS Rog x 2, King of battles, Dreamhack Last Chance, NexT. He has never won an open qualifier event. Hm, just checked some data but that were mostly wrong. Example: Katowice 2017 serral qualified per server qualifier. And if someone auto-qualifier its not the players “fault” and u can’t use that for an argument he didn’t qualifier through the open qualifier. That doesn’t make any sense. But i must agree that he lost more “world championships” then i remembered. But if u look the stats from the top Koreans i can’t find someone who did better.
Rogue, sOs
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On November 14 2021 03:04 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2021 03:02 DarkGamer wrote:On November 14 2021 02:51 JJH777 wrote:On November 14 2021 02:48 DarkGamer wrote:On November 14 2021 02:42 JJH777 wrote:On November 14 2021 02:39 DarkGamer wrote:On November 14 2021 02:22 JJH777 wrote:On November 14 2021 02:14 DarkGamer wrote:On November 14 2021 02:07 JJH777 wrote:On November 14 2021 01:56 nojok wrote:
Imagine if Serral was born in Korea, he'd be the goatest. If Serral was Korean with the same results no one would call him the GOAT. I would: Vs maru 6-2 Vs ty 5-2 Vs cure 7-2 Vs Innovation 16-8 Vs rogue 5-4 Vs dark 4-4 Vs Solar 7-3 Vs Trap 12-3 Vs Zest 10-3 No one i looked up has a winning record against him. I think thats a strong argument. And yet he's only managed to win 1 world championship in 9 attempts. Almost like a lot of those wins have huge asterisks and the losses are in important big money events. He's also something like 0-15 in open qualifier events. He's only won stuff that artificially limits the amount of Korean participation. Tell me when he wins a tournament by beating only top 10 KR players back to back to back like every top KR player has done. In every important bracket he's played besides Blizzcon 2018 he's had at least one or two extremely easy opponents. You should look up your numbers before stating lies To your question: for example gsl st! What lie? Serral has never played in a ST. Assuming you mean GSL vs the World those are not open qualifier and he had 1 very easy opponent in both. Oh you are right: gsl vs the world! 2019: wins against ty classic trap and elazer —> beside elazer ur statement is obvious wrong. 2018: wins against stats maru innovation and kelazur -> beside kelazur ur statement is abvious wrong. Now tell me plz in which 8 “world championships” serral competeted and didn’t win? So u c ur lie now? Or u tell me in which 15 open qualifiers he participate and didn’t qualify? U don’t have to answer, cuz its obviously wrong. Blizzcon 2017, 2019. Katowice 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021. WESG 2018 and 2019. Open qualifiers: The katowices and WESGs mentioned above make up the first 7. TSL x 3, ASUS Rog x 2, King of battles, Dreamhack Last Chance, NexT. He has never won an open qualifier event. Hm, just checked some data but that were mostly wrong. Example: Katowice 2017 serral qualified per server qualifier. And if someone auto-qualifier its not the players “fault” and u can’t use that for an argument he didn’t qualifier through the open qualifier. That doesn’t make any sense. But i must agree that he lost more “world championships” then i remembered. But if u look the stats from the top Koreans i can’t find someone who did better. Rogue, sOs
Better then 1/9 won world titles? (Beside counting 3 world titles in some years doesn’t make any sense, but ye, JJH777 wanted to make it looking a bigger think then it is) I don’t think so. Maybe rogue. But i think i did a lot data-research and the data which was given to me were wrong.
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I noticed this in every series now. Why are they using TLMC instead of ladder versions of the new maps?
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Zest is the best worst player of all time. Also the worst best player of all time.
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On November 14 2021 03:02 DarkGamer wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2021 02:51 JJH777 wrote:On November 14 2021 02:48 DarkGamer wrote:On November 14 2021 02:42 JJH777 wrote:On November 14 2021 02:39 DarkGamer wrote:On November 14 2021 02:22 JJH777 wrote:On November 14 2021 02:14 DarkGamer wrote:On November 14 2021 02:07 JJH777 wrote:On November 14 2021 01:56 nojok wrote:
Imagine if Serral was born in Korea, he'd be the goatest. If Serral was Korean with the same results no one would call him the GOAT. I would: Vs maru 6-2 Vs ty 5-2 Vs cure 7-2 Vs Innovation 16-8 Vs rogue 5-4 Vs dark 4-4 Vs Solar 7-3 Vs Trap 12-3 Vs Zest 10-3 No one i looked up has a winning record against him. I think thats a strong argument. And yet he's only managed to win 1 world championship in 9 attempts. Almost like a lot of those wins have huge asterisks and the losses are in important big money events. He's also something like 0-15 in open qualifier events. He's only won stuff that artificially limits the amount of Korean participation. Tell me when he wins a tournament by beating only top 10 KR players back to back to back like every top KR player has done. In every important bracket he's played besides Blizzcon 2018 he's had at least one or two extremely easy opponents. You should look up your numbers before stating lies To your question: for example gsl st! What lie? Serral has never played in a ST. Assuming you mean GSL vs the World those are not open qualifier and he had 1 very easy opponent in both. Oh you are right: gsl vs the world! 2019: wins against ty classic trap and elazer —> beside elazer ur statement is obvious wrong. 2018: wins against stats maru innovation and kelazur -> beside kelazur ur statement is abvious wrong. Now tell me plz in which 8 “world championships” serral competeted and didn’t win? So u c ur lie now? Or u tell me in which 15 open qualifiers he participate and didn’t qualify? U don’t have to answer, cuz its obviously wrong. Blizzcon 2017, 2019. Katowice 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021. WESG 2018 and 2019. Open qualifiers: The katowices and WESGs mentioned above make up the first 7. TSL x 3, ASUS Rog x 2, King of battles, Dreamhack Last Chance, NexT. He has never won an open qualifier event. Hm, just checked some data but that were mostly wrong. Example: Katowice 2017 serral qualified per server qualifier. And if someone auto-qualifier its not the players “fault” and u can’t use that for an argument he didn’t qualifier through the open qualifier. That doesn’t make any sense. But i must agree that he lost more “world championships” then i remembered. But if u look the stats from the top Koreans i can’t find someone who did better.
Not sure what you mean by the top paragraph. I'm just saying he's never won a tournament that doesn't have some arbitrary limits on who can make it into the main event based on region/past performance/vote-ins/or just straight up invites despite playing in 10-15 of them depending on what you count. Those should theoretically be the hardest tournaments to win because open qualifiers guarantee a high level of skill for all participants at the time of the event.
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Zest handled that pretty well
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EPT
