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On November 14 2021 03:09 Pandain wrote:
Zest is the best worst player of all time. Also the worst best player of all time.
I love him, except when he's the only Protoss left in the tournament.
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On November 14 2021 03:09 Pandain wrote:
Zest is the best worst player of all time. Also the worst best player of all time.
Perfect description.
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On November 14 2021 03:07 geokilla wrote:
I noticed this in every series now. Why are they using TLMC instead of ladder versions of the new maps?
Bugs on ladder versions. Biggest is that on Hardwire LE, can drop 2 tanks on reaper jump up point.
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On November 14 2021 03:05 DarkGamer wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2021 03:04 Charoisaur wrote:On November 14 2021 03:02 DarkGamer wrote:On November 14 2021 02:51 JJH777 wrote:On November 14 2021 02:48 DarkGamer wrote:On November 14 2021 02:42 JJH777 wrote:On November 14 2021 02:39 DarkGamer wrote:On November 14 2021 02:22 JJH777 wrote:On November 14 2021 02:14 DarkGamer wrote:On November 14 2021 02:07 JJH777 wrote:
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If Serral was Korean with the same results no one would call him the GOAT. I would: Vs maru 6-2 Vs ty 5-2 Vs cure 7-2 Vs Innovation 16-8 Vs rogue 5-4 Vs dark 4-4 Vs Solar 7-3 Vs Trap 12-3 Vs Zest 10-3 No one i looked up has a winning record against him. I think thats a strong argument. And yet he's only managed to win 1 world championship in 9 attempts. Almost like a lot of those wins have huge asterisks and the losses are in important big money events. He's also something like 0-15 in open qualifier events. He's only won stuff that artificially limits the amount of Korean participation. Tell me when he wins a tournament by beating only top 10 KR players back to back to back like every top KR player has done. In every important bracket he's played besides Blizzcon 2018 he's had at least one or two extremely easy opponents. You should look up your numbers before stating lies  To your question: for example gsl st! What lie? Serral has never played in a ST. Assuming you mean GSL vs the World those are not open qualifier and he had 1 very easy opponent in both. Oh you are right: gsl vs the world! 2019: wins against ty classic trap and elazer —> beside elazer ur statement is obvious wrong. 2018: wins against stats maru innovation and kelazur -> beside kelazur ur statement is abvious wrong. Now tell me plz in which 8 “world championships” serral competeted and didn’t win? So u c ur lie now? Or u tell me in which 15 open qualifiers he participate and didn’t qualify? U don’t have to answer, cuz its obviously wrong. Blizzcon 2017, 2019. Katowice 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021. WESG 2018 and 2019. Open qualifiers: The katowices and WESGs mentioned above make up the first 7. TSL x 3, ASUS Rog x 2, King of battles, Dreamhack Last Chance, NexT. He has never won an open qualifier event. Hm, just checked some data but that were mostly wrong. Example: Katowice 2017 serral qualified per server qualifier. And if someone auto-qualifier its not the players “fault” and u can’t use that for an argument he didn’t qualifier through the open qualifier. That doesn’t make any sense. But i must agree that he lost more “world championships” then i remembered. But if u look the stats from the top Koreans i can’t find someone who did better. Rogue, sOs Better then 1/9 won world titles? (Beside counting 3 world titles in some years doesn’t make any sense, but ye, JJH777 wanted to make it looking a bigger think then it is) I don’t think so. Maybe rogue. But i think i did a lot data-research and the data which was given to me were wrong.
3/10 for Rogue, 3/8 for sOs
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On November 14 2021 03:10 Morbidius wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2021 03:09 Pandain wrote:
Zest is the best worst player of all time. Also the worst best player of all time. Perfect description.
the second one is more accurate imo
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I look forward to Serral actually getting to play so that TL live report thread finally syncs up to the stream.
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On November 14 2021 03:09 JJH777 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2021 03:02 DarkGamer wrote:On November 14 2021 02:51 JJH777 wrote:On November 14 2021 02:48 DarkGamer wrote:On November 14 2021 02:42 JJH777 wrote:On November 14 2021 02:39 DarkGamer wrote:On November 14 2021 02:22 JJH777 wrote:On November 14 2021 02:14 DarkGamer wrote:On November 14 2021 02:07 JJH777 wrote:On November 14 2021 01:56 nojok wrote:
Imagine if Serral was born in Korea, he'd be the goatest. If Serral was Korean with the same results no one would call him the GOAT. I would: Vs maru 6-2 Vs ty 5-2 Vs cure 7-2 Vs Innovation 16-8 Vs rogue 5-4 Vs dark 4-4 Vs Solar 7-3 Vs Trap 12-3 Vs Zest 10-3 No one i looked up has a winning record against him. I think thats a strong argument. And yet he's only managed to win 1 world championship in 9 attempts. Almost like a lot of those wins have huge asterisks and the losses are in important big money events. He's also something like 0-15 in open qualifier events. He's only won stuff that artificially limits the amount of Korean participation. Tell me when he wins a tournament by beating only top 10 KR players back to back to back like every top KR player has done. In every important bracket he's played besides Blizzcon 2018 he's had at least one or two extremely easy opponents. You should look up your numbers before stating lies To your question: for example gsl st! What lie? Serral has never played in a ST. Assuming you mean GSL vs the World those are not open qualifier and he had 1 very easy opponent in both. Oh you are right: gsl vs the world! 2019: wins against ty classic trap and elazer —> beside elazer ur statement is obvious wrong. 2018: wins against stats maru innovation and kelazur -> beside kelazur ur statement is abvious wrong. Now tell me plz in which 8 “world championships” serral competeted and didn’t win? So u c ur lie now? Or u tell me in which 15 open qualifiers he participate and didn’t qualify? U don’t have to answer, cuz its obviously wrong. Blizzcon 2017, 2019. Katowice 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021. WESG 2018 and 2019. Open qualifiers: The katowices and WESGs mentioned above make up the first 7. TSL x 3, ASUS Rog x 2, King of battles, Dreamhack Last Chance, NexT. He has never won an open qualifier event. Hm, just checked some data but that were mostly wrong. Example: Katowice 2017 serral qualified per server qualifier. And if someone auto-qualifier its not the players “fault” and u can’t use that for an argument he didn’t qualifier through the open qualifier. That doesn’t make any sense. But i must agree that he lost more “world championships” then i remembered. But if u look the stats from the top Koreans i can’t find someone who did better. Not sure what you mean by the top paragraph. I'm just saying he's never won a tournament that doesn't have some arbitrary limits on who can make it into the main event based on region/past performance/vote-ins/or just straight up invites despite playing in 10-15 of them depending on what you count. Those should theoretically be the hardest tournaments to win because open qualifiers guarantee a high level of skill for all participants at the time of the event.
Then i misunderstood ur post. I agree that these qualifiers add up to the achievements but aren’t the deciding factor for the overall achievement of winning the tournament. But a good example is tsl 7 then, i guess: Serral did qualify through the open qualifier and trap got an auto-slot. If trap wins this tournament i think it doesn’t take anything away from his achievement beside not qualifying through the open qualifier.
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On November 14 2021 03:10 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2021 03:05 DarkGamer wrote:On November 14 2021 03:04 Charoisaur wrote:On November 14 2021 03:02 DarkGamer wrote:On November 14 2021 02:51 JJH777 wrote:On November 14 2021 02:48 DarkGamer wrote:On November 14 2021 02:42 JJH777 wrote:On November 14 2021 02:39 DarkGamer wrote:On November 14 2021 02:22 JJH777 wrote:On November 14 2021 02:14 DarkGamer wrote:
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I would:
Vs maru 6-2
Vs ty 5-2
Vs cure 7-2
Vs Innovation 16-8
Vs rogue 5-4
Vs dark 4-4
Vs Solar 7-3
Vs Trap 12-3
Vs Zest 10-3
No one i looked up has a winning record against him. I think thats a strong argument. And yet he's only managed to win 1 world championship in 9 attempts. Almost like a lot of those wins have huge asterisks and the losses are in important big money events. He's also something like 0-15 in open qualifier events. He's only won stuff that artificially limits the amount of Korean participation. Tell me when he wins a tournament by beating only top 10 KR players back to back to back like every top KR player has done. In every important bracket he's played besides Blizzcon 2018 he's had at least one or two extremely easy opponents. You should look up your numbers before stating lies To your question: for example gsl st! What lie? Serral has never played in a ST. Assuming you mean GSL vs the World those are not open qualifier and he had 1 very easy opponent in both. Oh you are right: gsl vs the world! 2019: wins against ty classic trap and elazer —> beside elazer ur statement is obvious wrong. 2018: wins against stats maru innovation and kelazur -> beside kelazur ur statement is abvious wrong. Now tell me plz in which 8 “world championships” serral competeted and didn’t win? So u c ur lie now? Or u tell me in which 15 open qualifiers he participate and didn’t qualify? U don’t have to answer, cuz its obviously wrong. Blizzcon 2017, 2019. Katowice 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021. WESG 2018 and 2019. Open qualifiers: The katowices and WESGs mentioned above make up the first 7. TSL x 3, ASUS Rog x 2, King of battles, Dreamhack Last Chance, NexT. He has never won an open qualifier event. Hm, just checked some data but that were mostly wrong. Example: Katowice 2017 serral qualified per server qualifier. And if someone auto-qualifier its not the players “fault” and u can’t use that for an argument he didn’t qualifier through the open qualifier. That doesn’t make any sense. But i must agree that he lost more “world championships” then i remembered. But if u look the stats from the top Koreans i can’t find someone who did better. Rogue, sOs Better then 1/9 won world titles? (Beside counting 3 world titles in some years doesn’t make any sense, but ye, JJH777 wanted to make it looking a bigger think then it is) I don’t think so. Maybe rogue. But i think i did a lot data-research and the data which was given to me were wrong. 3/10 for Rogue, 3/8 for sOs
Rogue and sos tried much more years to win a “worlds championship” then 10 and 8 (by the definition of JJH777 a lot!!). U can’t just count the ones u like :D
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On November 14 2021 03:10 Fanatic-Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2021 03:09 Pandain wrote:
Zest is the best worst player of all time. Also the worst best player of all time. I love him, except when he's the only Protoss left in the tournament.
Zest, breaking Protoss hearts since BW.
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On November 14 2021 03:14 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
I look forward to Serral actually getting to play so that TL live report thread finally syncs up to the stream.
Serral vs Rogue is the perfect setup for a civilized discussion.
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On November 14 2021 03:17 DarkGamer wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2021 03:10 Charoisaur wrote:On November 14 2021 03:05 DarkGamer wrote:On November 14 2021 03:04 Charoisaur wrote:On November 14 2021 03:02 DarkGamer wrote:On November 14 2021 02:51 JJH777 wrote:On November 14 2021 02:48 DarkGamer wrote:On November 14 2021 02:42 JJH777 wrote:On November 14 2021 02:39 DarkGamer wrote:On November 14 2021 02:22 JJH777 wrote:
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And yet he's only managed to win 1 world championship in 9 attempts. Almost like a lot of those wins have huge asterisks and the losses are in important big money events. He's also something like 0-15 in open qualifier events. He's only won stuff that artificially limits the amount of Korean participation. Tell me when he wins a tournament by beating only top 10 KR players back to back to back like every top KR player has done. In every important bracket he's played besides Blizzcon 2018 he's had at least one or two extremely easy opponents. You should look up your numbers before stating lies To your question: for example gsl st! What lie? Serral has never played in a ST. Assuming you mean GSL vs the World those are not open qualifier and he had 1 very easy opponent in both. Oh you are right: gsl vs the world! 2019: wins against ty classic trap and elazer —> beside elazer ur statement is obvious wrong. 2018: wins against stats maru innovation and kelazur -> beside kelazur ur statement is abvious wrong. Now tell me plz in which 8 “world championships” serral competeted and didn’t win? So u c ur lie now? Or u tell me in which 15 open qualifiers he participate and didn’t qualify? U don’t have to answer, cuz its obviously wrong. Blizzcon 2017, 2019. Katowice 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021. WESG 2018 and 2019. Open qualifiers: The katowices and WESGs mentioned above make up the first 7. TSL x 3, ASUS Rog x 2, King of battles, Dreamhack Last Chance, NexT. He has never won an open qualifier event. Hm, just checked some data but that were mostly wrong. Example: Katowice 2017 serral qualified per server qualifier. And if someone auto-qualifier its not the players “fault” and u can’t use that for an argument he didn’t qualifier through the open qualifier. That doesn’t make any sense. But i must agree that he lost more “world championships” then i remembered. But if u look the stats from the top Koreans i can’t find someone who did better. Rogue, sOs Better then 1/9 won world titles? (Beside counting 3 world titles in some years doesn’t make any sense, but ye, JJH777 wanted to make it looking a bigger think then it is) I don’t think so. Maybe rogue. But i think i did a lot data-research and the data which was given to me were wrong. 3/10 for Rogue, 3/8 for sOs Rogue and sos tried much more years to win a “worlds championship” then 10 and 8 (by the definition of JJH777 a lot!!). U can’t just count the ones u like :D
If you don't like them being called world championships just call them events that pay more than 100k to first place. Either way they are the most important events to the players.
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questionable timing. I wonder what Zest expected
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Zest 
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what a strange game by Zest. I mean it nearly worked at some points but some decisions looked really weird
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This series doesnt belong
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This is also a dream bracket for Scarlett. Because I don't think she would ever beat Clem or Maru, but I think she could 100% bring it to a game 5 versus either Rogue or Serral.
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On November 14 2021 03:30 Pandain wrote:
This is also a dream bracket for Scarlett. Because I don't think she would ever beat Clem or Maru, but I think she could 100% bring it to a game 5 versus either Rogue or Serral.
Yeah she really got the nuts bracket, cure is in a post gsl down, trap and zest are pretty inconsistent and that too.
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On November 14 2021 03:17 DarkGamer wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2021 03:10 Charoisaur wrote:On November 14 2021 03:05 DarkGamer wrote:On November 14 2021 03:04 Charoisaur wrote:On November 14 2021 03:02 DarkGamer wrote:On November 14 2021 02:51 JJH777 wrote:On November 14 2021 02:48 DarkGamer wrote:On November 14 2021 02:42 JJH777 wrote:On November 14 2021 02:39 DarkGamer wrote:On November 14 2021 02:22 JJH777 wrote:
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And yet he's only managed to win 1 world championship in 9 attempts. Almost like a lot of those wins have huge asterisks and the losses are in important big money events. He's also something like 0-15 in open qualifier events. He's only won stuff that artificially limits the amount of Korean participation. Tell me when he wins a tournament by beating only top 10 KR players back to back to back like every top KR player has done. In every important bracket he's played besides Blizzcon 2018 he's had at least one or two extremely easy opponents. You should look up your numbers before stating lies To your question: for example gsl st! What lie? Serral has never played in a ST. Assuming you mean GSL vs the World those are not open qualifier and he had 1 very easy opponent in both. Oh you are right: gsl vs the world! 2019: wins against ty classic trap and elazer —> beside elazer ur statement is obvious wrong. 2018: wins against stats maru innovation and kelazur -> beside kelazur ur statement is abvious wrong. Now tell me plz in which 8 “world championships” serral competeted and didn’t win? So u c ur lie now? Or u tell me in which 15 open qualifiers he participate and didn’t qualify? U don’t have to answer, cuz its obviously wrong. Blizzcon 2017, 2019. Katowice 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021. WESG 2018 and 2019. Open qualifiers: The katowices and WESGs mentioned above make up the first 7. TSL x 3, ASUS Rog x 2, King of battles, Dreamhack Last Chance, NexT. He has never won an open qualifier event. Hm, just checked some data but that were mostly wrong. Example: Katowice 2017 serral qualified per server qualifier. And if someone auto-qualifier its not the players “fault” and u can’t use that for an argument he didn’t qualifier through the open qualifier. That doesn’t make any sense. But i must agree that he lost more “world championships” then i remembered. But if u look the stats from the top Koreans i can’t find someone who did better. Rogue, sOs Better then 1/9 won world titles? (Beside counting 3 world titles in some years doesn’t make any sense, but ye, JJH777 wanted to make it looking a bigger think then it is) I don’t think so. Maybe rogue. But i think i did a lot data-research and the data which was given to me were wrong. 3/10 for Rogue, 3/8 for sOs Rogue and sos tried much more years to win a “worlds championship” then 10 and 8 (by the definition of JJH777 a lot!!). U can’t just count the ones u like :D
This are the ones they qualified for. If you also count ones they didn't qualify for we should also count the ones from 2013 on for Serral (I think that was when he started playing in tournaments)
even counting every one that happened past sOs' debut it would be 3/19 which is a better ratio than 1/9
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On November 14 2021 03:30 Pandain wrote:
This is also a dream bracket for Scarlett. Because I don't think she would ever beat Clem or Maru, but I think she could 100% bring it to a game 5 versus either Rogue or Serral.
indeed
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EPT
