EPTNow i believe in rogue saying he can beat clem
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SamirDuran
Philippines895 Posts
Now i believe in rogue saying he can beat clem | ||
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stilt
France2754 Posts
On June 21 2021 03:47 ZigguratOfUr wrote: That is another thing--sometimes Reynor goes for that style where he has an enormous drone count (over 90 quite often), and it has frankly not been a successful style at all against Clem or the top Korean terrans. With that style his cost-efficiency is much worse than even typical late game ZvT, so I'm not sure why he still goes for it. edit: Clem's sim-city at the triangle third with all the barracks looks messy but seems effective. Yes and tbh, I think Reynor can emulate dark's chaotic style pretty well. Anyway, I am bit sad for Clem but this is a deserved victory for dark... | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
On June 21 2021 03:53 Shathe wrote: Dark casually juggling viper, infestor, ravager mid game againts BIO... Pretty decent control at 4 am on cross-server ping | ||
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Calliope
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allmotor1
153 Posts
On June 21 2021 04:00 SamirDuran wrote: Dark too strong. I wonder if serrla and reynor took notes on that game Now i believe in rogue saying he can beat clem why would you even doubt, rogue/dark are top tier zergs. as good as clem is rogue/dark are much more proven (won many tournaments) | ||
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2449 Posts
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany16022 Posts
On June 21 2021 04:08 Morbidius wrote: Clem is pretty good, but he is overhyped(not overrated). He pretty much has more hype behind him right now than Serral had going into Blizzcon 2018. He absorbed all the hype Serral and Reynor had by beating them over and over again. Against top koreans he really hasn't looked that hot yet though | ||
Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On June 21 2021 04:08 Morbidius wrote: Clem is pretty good, but he is overhyped(not overrated). He pretty much has more hype behind him right now than Serral had going into Blizzcon 2018. I think we just want a good Terran after Maru bite us in the ass so many time and the fact that he almost never cheese probably help a lot, he doesn't to many boring series. Results wise he does have a lot of problem to get pass vs Korean (or player he don't know generally I think aka Nice and Coffee for example) | ||
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TaKeTV
Germany1200 Posts
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On June 21 2021 04:11 Charoisaur wrote: He absorbed all the hype Serral and Reynor had by beating them over and over again. Against top koreans he really hasn't looked that hot yet though Well he has another chance to prove himself in 17 hours against Maru in NeXT. | ||
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allmotor1
153 Posts
On June 21 2021 04:05 swarminfestor wrote: Korean TvZ was still at the top-notch. The reason why Korean TvZ looked 'inferior' in the eyes of most foreigners because most of the Zerg players choose to play safer, chessy and less aggressive as responds against macro play by Terran players during these years. Clem's heavy micro reminded me of Byun's micro play during his peak days. Even though it looked fancy and formidable, but it still carry weakness in which Dark knew how to exploit. you called it, dark confirmed what you said in his interview. he basically said he noticed any zerg who tries to play safe and just defend gets beat down by clem, so he wanted to change the tempo of the match. | ||
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2449 Posts
On June 21 2021 04:15 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Well he has another chance to prove himself in 17 hours against Maru in NeXT. Another series to watch? Love to see how Clem will respond to Maru's massive Ravens. | ||
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tigera6
3450 Posts
On June 21 2021 04:17 allmotor1 wrote: you called it, dark confirmed what you said in his interview. he basically said he noticed any zerg who tries to play safe and just defend gets beat down by clem, so he wanted to change the tempo of the match. Yeah, what Clem did great against Reynor and Serral is how he force the engagement, target fire many banelling, pick up and leave with little Marine loss, heal up and repeat. With Clem micro, if he keep doing it a couple times over, Zerg will have no bane left when the Terran main push come, and take heavy casualty. Dark simply play with A LOT of ling, which is cheaper, faster and easier to control against mines as well. He kept the banes alive long enough to hold the defense and also for runby. And that last game was crazy, when Dark simply fake a Roach push, but in fact when for lingbane, with Ravager cover fire, and Infestor then Viper later. That army looking like the perfect composition against Clem Bio-Tanks-Mine army, but require insane control and micro. Btw, I dont think NeXT is playing tomorrow, as there is the group nomination for code S after the two Bo5. So unless Clem agrees to play super early, say around noon time, it will probably be delayed till the next day. | ||
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tennisl
United Kingdom44 Posts
That borrow banelings detonation against clumped up ghosts in game 5 was painful.. High level games by both players overall. Any other zerg player (except may be Rogue) would lose to Clem convincingly today. | ||
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Poopi
France12906 Posts
Will definitely have to check out the vods! | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
Just pick one, guys. I, for one, will be really interested to watch Clem play against the style Dark displayed on LAN or the same server; thus said, this series was truly good from Dark. Speaking of overhype, everyone seem to genuinely love Clem and the idea of a foreign Terran eventually being a top player. Once Serral started winning, he was never overhyped. | ||
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JJH777
United States4415 Posts
On June 21 2021 07:30 Xain0n wrote: Isn't it fun that the same people who were sure lag was the main reason for which Reynor beat Maru now aren't saying anything about ping affecting Terran the most? Just pick one, guys. I, for one, will be really interested to watch Clem play against the style Dark displayed on LAN or the same server; thus said, this series was truly good from Dark. Speaking of overhype, everyone seem to genuinely love Clem and the idea of a foreign Terran eventually being a top player. Once Serral started winning, he was never overhyped. It's not just that it affects Terran the most. It's also that the ping for Korea to NA is worse than most of EU to NA. That's especially true for western EU. For Western EU countries it would actually be far more fair to play all games on NA West. A lot of people have called Serral GOAT. Especially on Reddit. That is overhype. For current skill rather than overall achievement I'll agree that he's generally been rated fairly though maybe slightly overhyped at times. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On June 21 2021 07:51 JJH777 wrote: It's not just that it affects Terran the most. It's also that the ping for Korea to NA is worse than most of EU to NA. That's especially true for western EU. For Western EU countries it would actually be far more fair to play all games on NA West. A lot of people have called Serral GOAT. Especially on Reddit. That is overhype. For current skill rather than overall achievement I'll agree that he's generally been rated fairly though maybe slightly overhyped at times. Where are you getting this idea from(rhetorical question)? The datas I remember and that were posted seemed to indicate the opposite. Ping from Korea to NA west was always better than ping from EUW to NA west and the majority of games are already being played on that server. The overhype people in this thread were speaking of was evidently related to the skill level(which, also, it is more or less objective); it would be wise to avoid the evaluation of certain achievements, which are instead subjective unlike the achievements itself. | ||
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JJH777
United States4415 Posts
On June 21 2021 08:24 Xain0n wrote: Where are you getting this idea from(rhetorical question)? The datas I remember and that were posted seemed to indicate the opposite. Ping from Korea to NA west was always better than ping from EUW to NA west and the majority of games are already being played on that server. The overhype people in this thread were speaking of was evidently related to the skill level(which, also, it is more or less objective); it would be wise to avoid the evaluation of certain achievements, which are instead subjective unlike the achievements itself. Data posted here of which there has been very little has always indicated that Koreans are getting the short end with ping. You can also use a website like this one: https://wondernetwork.com/ Plugging in some locations on that site shows EU is dramatically favored. EU countries have less than 100 ping to the east coast. Korea is almost 200. France literally has 70 ping to the eastern half of the US. Korea vs France on NA west would be 140ping for France vs 136 ping for Korea. Korea vs France on NA East would be nearly 200 ping vs 70 ping. And yes I know this site and others like it aren't going to translate perfectly to SC2 but ultimately nothing is because one of the most important things is the individual players connections which we have no info on. Edit: I was incorrect on the distances. Not sure how as I was putting it into Google as I was typing the post but just did it again and got different numbers. | ||
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