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Italy3963 Posts
On June 21 2021 08:55 JJH777 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2021 08:24 Xain0n wrote:On June 21 2021 07:51 JJH777 wrote:On June 21 2021 07:30 Xain0n wrote:
Isn't it fun that the same people who were sure lag was the main reason for which Reynor beat Maru now aren't saying anything about ping affecting Terran the most?
Just pick one, guys.
I, for one, will be really interested to watch Clem play against the style Dark displayed on LAN or the same server; thus said, this series was truly good from Dark.
Speaking of overhype, everyone seem to genuinely love Clem and the idea of a foreign Terran eventually being a top player.
Once Serral started winning, he was never overhyped. It's not just that it affects Terran the most. It's also that the ping for Korea to NA is worse than most of EU to NA. That's especially true for western EU. For Western EU countries it would actually be far more fair to play all games on NA West. A lot of people have called Serral GOAT. Especially on Reddit. That is overhype. For current skill rather than overall achievement I'll agree that he's generally been rated fairly though maybe slightly overhyped at times. Where are you getting this idea from(rhetorical question)? The datas I remember and that were posted seemed to indicate the opposite. Ping from Korea to NA west was always better than ping from EUW to NA west and the majority of games are already being played on that server. The overhype people in this thread were speaking of was evidently related to the skill level(which, also, it is more or less objective); it would be wise to avoid the evaluation of certain achievements, which are instead subjective unlike the achievements itself. Data posted here of which there has been very little has always indicated that Koreans are getting the short end with ping. You can also use a website like this one: https://wondernetwork.com/Plugging in some locations on that site shows EU is dramatically favored. EU countries have less than 100 ping to the east coast. Korea is almost 200. France literally has 70 ping to the eastern half of the US. Korea vs France on NA west would be 140ping for France vs 136 ping for Korea. Korea vs France on NA East would be nearly 200 ping vs 70 ping. And yes I know this site and others like it aren't going to translate perfectly to SC2 but ultimately nothing is because one of the most important things is the individual players connections which we have no info on. Edit: I was incorrect on the distances. Not sure how as I was putting it into Google as I was typing the post but just did it again and got different numbers.
There is no way France is enjoying a ping this low to NA, if not in exceptional cases I would say.
Someone posted here on TL.net the actual ping for some series played in the last DH Masters (Maybe?I don't remember exactly, it could have also been some international tournament from last year) for some of the series and it was around 180-230 iirc with, not surprisingly, KR having better ping to NA west.
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On June 21 2021 09:19 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2021 08:55 JJH777 wrote:On June 21 2021 08:24 Xain0n wrote:On June 21 2021 07:51 JJH777 wrote:On June 21 2021 07:30 Xain0n wrote:
Isn't it fun that the same people who were sure lag was the main reason for which Reynor beat Maru now aren't saying anything about ping affecting Terran the most?
Just pick one, guys.
I, for one, will be really interested to watch Clem play against the style Dark displayed on LAN or the same server; thus said, this series was truly good from Dark.
Speaking of overhype, everyone seem to genuinely love Clem and the idea of a foreign Terran eventually being a top player.
Once Serral started winning, he was never overhyped. It's not just that it affects Terran the most. It's also that the ping for Korea to NA is worse than most of EU to NA. That's especially true for western EU. For Western EU countries it would actually be far more fair to play all games on NA West. A lot of people have called Serral GOAT. Especially on Reddit. That is overhype. For current skill rather than overall achievement I'll agree that he's generally been rated fairly though maybe slightly overhyped at times. Where are you getting this idea from(rhetorical question)? The datas I remember and that were posted seemed to indicate the opposite. Ping from Korea to NA west was always better than ping from EUW to NA west and the majority of games are already being played on that server. The overhype people in this thread were speaking of was evidently related to the skill level(which, also, it is more or less objective); it would be wise to avoid the evaluation of certain achievements, which are instead subjective unlike the achievements itself. Data posted here of which there has been very little has always indicated that Koreans are getting the short end with ping. You can also use a website like this one: https://wondernetwork.com/Plugging in some locations on that site shows EU is dramatically favored. EU countries have less than 100 ping to the east coast. Korea is almost 200. France literally has 70 ping to the eastern half of the US. Korea vs France on NA west would be 140ping for France vs 136 ping for Korea. Korea vs France on NA East would be nearly 200 ping vs 70 ping. And yes I know this site and others like it aren't going to translate perfectly to SC2 but ultimately nothing is because one of the most important things is the individual players connections which we have no info on. Edit: I was incorrect on the distances. Not sure how as I was putting it into Google as I was typing the post but just did it again and got different numbers. There is no way France is enjoying a ping this low to NA, if not in exceptional cases I would say. Someone posted here on TL.net the actual ping for some series played in the last DH Masters (Maybe?I don't remember exactly, it could have also been some international tournament from last year) for some of the series and it was around 180-230 iirc with, not surprisingly, KR having better ping to NA west.
I live in California and using a wifi connection I get 170 ping to France. My ping to Seoul is 162. Using a lan connection would lower that a bit. That's very close together and roughly matches the percent difference from that website. That's still lower than Korea to NA East according to that site and I live as far from France as possible in the US besides Alaska. I also live in a rural area of California which will get worse pings on average than a city due in part to limited providers. For Paris to New York 70 ping seems reasonable depending on the quality of your ISP.
There is no way that playing on NA East is ever fair for Korea unless the country is in Eastern Europe.
Your flair says you live in Italy. Why don't you use speed test to see what your ping is to New York? Shouldn't be dramatically different from France. Maybe 10-20 ping.
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On June 21 2021 07:30 Xain0n wrote:
Isn't it fun that the same people who were sure lag was the main reason for which Reynor beat Maru now aren't saying anything about ping affecting Terran the most?
Just pick one, guys.
I, for one, will be really interested to watch Clem play against the style Dark displayed on LAN or the same server; thus said, this series was truly good from Dark.
Speaking of overhype, everyone seem to genuinely love Clem and the idea of a foreign Terran eventually being a top player.
Once Serral started winning, he was never overhyped.
For the record, I never blamed ping once for why Maru lost to Reynor. I blamed his completely stupid build order in game 4 when he gave the game away. I also blamed the map pool a little because Romanticide and Pillars of Gold are VERY Zerg favored in my opinion.
Funny how you were absent from this thread until your golden boy lost to a Zerg who you continue to never give the proper respect to because you're still mad about him winning Blizzcon that one year.
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On June 21 2021 07:30 Xain0n wrote:
Isn't it fun that the same people who were sure lag was the main reason for which Reynor beat Maru now aren't saying anything about ping affecting Terran the most?
Just pick one, guys.
I, for one, will be really interested to watch Clem play against the style Dark displayed on LAN or the same server; thus said, this series was truly good from Dark.
Speaking of overhype, everyone seem to genuinely love Clem and the idea of a foreign Terran eventually being a top player.
Once Serral started winning, he was never overhyped.
And which one do YOU pick? I am sure you dont want to say that EU Zerg got "lucky" because of Ping, but you dont want to say that Clem "hit the wall" with Dark who looked like outplaying him. Perosnally, I think Maru turtling style has less to do with Ping advantage/disavantage, or maybe he chose that style because of the ping problem and never got out of it. Clem style, who often prefer to send 85-90% of his army into the other side, seems to get read by Dark perfectly and his counter was spot-on in most of the series. To me, it wasnt about "the lag" but rather a strategic win for Dark.
Clem is a great Terran player already, but his "overhype" coming from people ALREADY calling him "the best Terran/player in the world" by literally beating the hell out of Reynor & Serral in the last couple months. I understand that EU crowd love to hype up "their own product", but to say a guy who hasnt yet won a global premiere tournament as THE top player seems to be a bit much. For the record, I still think Reynor is the reigning World Champ, obviously, until we get another interim-champ after the next DH Global or so.
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Italy3963 Posts
On June 21 2021 09:48 JJH777 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2021 09:19 Xain0n wrote:On June 21 2021 08:55 JJH777 wrote:On June 21 2021 08:24 Xain0n wrote:On June 21 2021 07:51 JJH777 wrote:On June 21 2021 07:30 Xain0n wrote:
Isn't it fun that the same people who were sure lag was the main reason for which Reynor beat Maru now aren't saying anything about ping affecting Terran the most?
Just pick one, guys.
I, for one, will be really interested to watch Clem play against the style Dark displayed on LAN or the same server; thus said, this series was truly good from Dark.
Speaking of overhype, everyone seem to genuinely love Clem and the idea of a foreign Terran eventually being a top player.
Once Serral started winning, he was never overhyped. It's not just that it affects Terran the most. It's also that the ping for Korea to NA is worse than most of EU to NA. That's especially true for western EU. For Western EU countries it would actually be far more fair to play all games on NA West. A lot of people have called Serral GOAT. Especially on Reddit. That is overhype. For current skill rather than overall achievement I'll agree that he's generally been rated fairly though maybe slightly overhyped at times. Where are you getting this idea from(rhetorical question)? The datas I remember and that were posted seemed to indicate the opposite. Ping from Korea to NA west was always better than ping from EUW to NA west and the majority of games are already being played on that server. The overhype people in this thread were speaking of was evidently related to the skill level(which, also, it is more or less objective); it would be wise to avoid the evaluation of certain achievements, which are instead subjective unlike the achievements itself. Data posted here of which there has been very little has always indicated that Koreans are getting the short end with ping. You can also use a website like this one: https://wondernetwork.com/Plugging in some locations on that site shows EU is dramatically favored. EU countries have less than 100 ping to the east coast. Korea is almost 200. France literally has 70 ping to the eastern half of the US. Korea vs France on NA west would be 140ping for France vs 136 ping for Korea. Korea vs France on NA East would be nearly 200 ping vs 70 ping. And yes I know this site and others like it aren't going to translate perfectly to SC2 but ultimately nothing is because one of the most important things is the individual players connections which we have no info on. Edit: I was incorrect on the distances. Not sure how as I was putting it into Google as I was typing the post but just did it again and got different numbers. There is no way France is enjoying a ping this low to NA, if not in exceptional cases I would say. Someone posted here on TL.net the actual ping for some series played in the last DH Masters (Maybe?I don't remember exactly, it could have also been some international tournament from last year) for some of the series and it was around 180-230 iirc with, not surprisingly, KR having better ping to NA west. I live in California and using a wifi connection I get 170 ping to France. My ping to Seoul is 162. Using a lan connection would lower that a bit. That's very close together and roughly matches the percent difference from that website. That's still lower than Korea to NA East according to that site and I live as far from France as possible in the US besides Alaska. I also live in a rural area of California which will get worse pings on average than a city due in part to limited providers. For Paris to New York 70 ping seems reasonable depending on the quality of your ISP. There is no way that playing on NA East is ever fair for Korea unless the country is in Eastern Europe. Your flair says you live in Italy. Why don't you use speed test to see what your ping is to New York? Shouldn't be dramatically different from France. Maybe 10-20 ping.
I don't think they are playing on NA East tho but on NA Central. Also, my connection sadly sucks...
On June 21 2021 09:54 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2021 07:30 Xain0n wrote:
Isn't it fun that the same people who were sure lag was the main reason for which Reynor beat Maru now aren't saying anything about ping affecting Terran the most?
Just pick one, guys.
I, for one, will be really interested to watch Clem play against the style Dark displayed on LAN or the same server; thus said, this series was truly good from Dark.
Speaking of overhype, everyone seem to genuinely love Clem and the idea of a foreign Terran eventually being a top player.
Once Serral started winning, he was never overhyped. For the record, I never blamed ping once for why Maru lost to Reynor. I blamed his completely stupid build order in game 4 when he gave the game away. I also blamed the map pool a little because Romanticide and Pillars of Gold are VERY Zerg favored in my opinion. Funny how you were absent from this thread until your golden boy lost to a Zerg who you continue to never give the proper respect to because you're still mad about him winning Blizzcon that one year.
If you were really paying attention you would notice I almost never post on Tl.net on Sunday afternoons, I'm often away and I prefer just watching games when I can.
If anything, I grew annoyed of Dark because of the hype he got coming into Katowice;he was seen as the clear favorite by many on this forum after winning one tournament over the span of more than one year and I was already vocal about it. Certainly not because Dark won a BlizzCon title after his run in 2016.
I also generally don't like Dark's approach to the game but this doesn't mean I don't respect him as a top player.
On June 21 2021 10:11 tigera6 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2021 07:30 Xain0n wrote:
Isn't it fun that the same people who were sure lag was the main reason for which Reynor beat Maru now aren't saying anything about ping affecting Terran the most?
Just pick one, guys.
I, for one, will be really interested to watch Clem play against the style Dark displayed on LAN or the same server; thus said, this series was truly good from Dark.
Speaking of overhype, everyone seem to genuinely love Clem and the idea of a foreign Terran eventually being a top player.
Once Serral started winning, he was never overhyped. And which one do YOU pick? I am sure you dont want to say that EU Zerg got "lucky" because of Ping, but you dont want to say that Clem "hit the wall" with Dark who looked like outplaying him. Perosnally, I think Maru turtling style has less to do with Ping advantage/disavantage, or maybe he chose that style because of the ping problem and never got out of it. Clem style, who often prefer to send 85-90% of his army into the other side, seems to get read by Dark perfectly and his counter was spot-on in most of the series. To me, it wasnt about "the lag" but rather a strategic win for Dark. Clem is a great Terran player already, but his "overhype" coming from people ALREADY calling him "the best Terran/player in the world" by literally beating the hell out of Reynor & Serral in the last couple months. I understand that EU crowd love to hype up "their own product", but to say a guy who hasnt yet won a global premiere tournament as THE top player seems to be a bit much. For the record, I still think Reynor is the reigning World Champ, obviously, until we get another interim-champ after the next DH Global or so.
Terran being the most affected by ping as a whole has always looked like little more than whining to me so it goes without saying that said argument looked hilarious to me after Reynor's victory.
However, the effectiveness of certain playstyles might be hindered more than others when facing a delay in reaction time due to ping.
Claiming Clem to be the best player in the world was definitely a bit too much, praising his TvZ as the best in the world is much more reasonable and I wouldn't change opinion after a single loss, for which Dark gets all the due credit, after such a huge streak.
I don't really pick, as I said I would be curious to watch Clem play Dark again under the same conditions he experiments while playing against Serral and Reynor.
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On June 21 2021 09:54 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2021 07:30 Xain0n wrote:
Isn't it fun that the same people who were sure lag was the main reason for which Reynor beat Maru now aren't saying anything about ping affecting Terran the most?
Just pick one, guys.
I, for one, will be really interested to watch Clem play against the style Dark displayed on LAN or the same server; thus said, this series was truly good from Dark.
Speaking of overhype, everyone seem to genuinely love Clem and the idea of a foreign Terran eventually being a top player.
Once Serral started winning, he was never overhyped. For the record, I never blamed ping once for why Maru lost to Reynor. I blamed his completely stupid build order in game 4 when he gave the game away. I also blamed the map pool a little because Romanticide and Pillars of Gold are VERY Zerg favored in my opinion. Funny how you were absent from this thread until your golden boy lost to a Zerg who you continue to never give the proper respect to because you're still mad about him winning Blizzcon that one year.
I thought he targeting all the Korean players who demolished his favorite foreign players and the hatred goes to the players like Rogue, Maru and Dark as far as I remembered trying to disqualify their obvious dominant performances by whatever he thought the reason.
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On June 21 2021 12:26 swarminfestor wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2021 09:54 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 21 2021 07:30 Xain0n wrote:
Isn't it fun that the same people who were sure lag was the main reason for which Reynor beat Maru now aren't saying anything about ping affecting Terran the most?
Just pick one, guys.
I, for one, will be really interested to watch Clem play against the style Dark displayed on LAN or the same server; thus said, this series was truly good from Dark.
Speaking of overhype, everyone seem to genuinely love Clem and the idea of a foreign Terran eventually being a top player.
Once Serral started winning, he was never overhyped. For the record, I never blamed ping once for why Maru lost to Reynor. I blamed his completely stupid build order in game 4 when he gave the game away. I also blamed the map pool a little because Romanticide and Pillars of Gold are VERY Zerg favored in my opinion. Funny how you were absent from this thread until your golden boy lost to a Zerg who you continue to never give the proper respect to because you're still mad about him winning Blizzcon that one year. I thought he targeting all the Korean players who demolished his favorite foreign players and the hatred goes to the players like Rogue, Maru and Dark as far as I remembered trying to disqualify their obvious dominant performances by whatever he thought the reason.
That's pretty much what is going on. As far as I've noticed anyway.
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I love how this thread goes from respecting and celebrating a win for Dark to a thread full of arguments just because his wonderboy lost
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On June 21 2021 12:46 SamirDuran wrote:
I love how this thread goes from respecting and celebrating a win for Dark to a thread full of arguments just because his wonderboy lost
I wonder how that happened. /s
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A high profile foreigner loss would not be complete without Xainon blaming it on something else and going on a stupid rant insulting every poster.
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On June 21 2021 00:12 Rob-Zero wrote:
Heromarine clearly affected by the ping, as it is always the worst for the terrans and easy for the zerg. That´s sad, offline he would have stomped Dark, who really doesn´t look very strong
Hello? Are you still there? If you just started to watch SC2 from this year, this statement would make sense though.
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On June 21 2021 12:53 Morbidius wrote:
A high profile foreigner loss would not be complete without Xainon blaming it on something else and going on a stupid rant insulting every poster.
its honestly a staple of TL these days lol
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France12904 Posts
On June 21 2021 07:30 Xain0n wrote:
Isn't it fun that the same people who were sure lag was the main reason for which Reynor beat Maru now aren't saying anything about ping affecting Terran the most?
Just pick one, guys.
I, for one, will be really interested to watch Clem play against the style Dark displayed on LAN or the same server; thus said, this series was truly good from Dark.
Speaking of overhype, everyone seem to genuinely love Clem and the idea of a foreign Terran eventually being a top player.
Once Serral started winning, he was never overhyped.
Yes, Clem is a bit more at a disadvantage playing TvZ cross server than a zerg opponent (but he has time zone advantage), hard to quantify by how much though.
But in TvT you are as disadvantaged as the opponent given equal ping, so we would have to see their respective pings.
It’s merely a code A Terran though...
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On June 21 2021 03:58 buzz_bender wrote:
Dark played out of his mind! That was freaking amazing series by Dark, absolutely mind-blowing performance by Dark.
I also do agree that Clem has also got into the heads of Serral/Reynor. They keep playing the same way against him, which is clearly not working. Dark brought the chaos against Clem, and he couldn't deal with it.
This is very underrated post. I agree.
Dark himself during the interview said that he watched replays Clem vs Reynor/Serral and decided to play different style to put Clem into coma. Clem was totally outplayed.
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I think Reynor and Serral should send Dark a gift basket for kicking out Clem :D
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On June 21 2021 16:29 tennisl wrote:
Dark himself during the interview said that he watched replays Clem vs Reynor/Serral and decided to play different style to put Clem into coma. Clem was totally outplayed.
I would absolutely love to have a discussion about the individual games instead of arguing about players again.
For example, on Romanticide, it seems that Clem was expecting Dark to go heavy lurker gameplay, like what Serral/Reynor usually does, but Dark does not. He morphs a few of them and uses them aggressively (and even sacrifices them at times), while staying mainly on Ling/Bane. If I'm not mistaken, he also gets all the upgrades for his lings way earlier than most, for example adrenal gland, which was crucial in killing so many SCVs in the run-bys.
In 2000 Atmosphere, Dark played a style which I personally have never seen before executed to that perfection, staying mainly on Roach/Ravager with Infestors mixed in early. It seems like Clem didn't as well, and got caught fungaled a few times. He then got Vipers, and transitioned to Ultras, using Ultras to run-by, while micro-ing Vipers/Infestors against Clem's bio army, while using Roach/Ravager. That is a style which I have not seen any Zerg player use against Clem. It is certainly completely different from Serral/Reynor's playstyle against Clem, in which I only see one style that they have used against him.
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On June 21 2021 08:55 JJH777 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2021 08:24 Xain0n wrote:On June 21 2021 07:51 JJH777 wrote:On June 21 2021 07:30 Xain0n wrote:
Isn't it fun that the same people who were sure lag was the main reason for which Reynor beat Maru now aren't saying anything about ping affecting Terran the most?
Just pick one, guys.
I, for one, will be really interested to watch Clem play against the style Dark displayed on LAN or the same server; thus said, this series was truly good from Dark.
Speaking of overhype, everyone seem to genuinely love Clem and the idea of a foreign Terran eventually being a top player.
Once Serral started winning, he was never overhyped. It's not just that it affects Terran the most. It's also that the ping for Korea to NA is worse than most of EU to NA. That's especially true for western EU. For Western EU countries it would actually be far more fair to play all games on NA West. A lot of people have called Serral GOAT. Especially on Reddit. That is overhype. For current skill rather than overall achievement I'll agree that he's generally been rated fairly though maybe slightly overhyped at times. Where are you getting this idea from(rhetorical question)? The datas I remember and that were posted seemed to indicate the opposite. Ping from Korea to NA west was always better than ping from EUW to NA west and the majority of games are already being played on that server. The overhype people in this thread were speaking of was evidently related to the skill level(which, also, it is more or less objective); it would be wise to avoid the evaluation of certain achievements, which are instead subjective unlike the achievements itself. Data posted here of which there has been very little has always indicated that Koreans are getting the short end with ping. You can also use a website like this one: https://wondernetwork.com/Plugging in some locations on that site shows EU is dramatically favored. EU countries have less than 100 ping to the east coast. Korea is almost 200. France literally has 70 ping to the eastern half of the US. Korea vs France on NA west would be 140ping for France vs 136 ping for Korea. Korea vs France on NA East would be nearly 200 ping vs 70 ping. And yes I know this site and others like it aren't going to translate perfectly to SC2 but ultimately nothing is because one of the most important things is the individual players connections which we have no info on. Edit: I was incorrect on the distances. Not sure how as I was putting it into Google as I was typing the post but just did it again and got different numbers.
Good luck in finding a french connexion at 140 ping on na west.
Never got 70 pings on east either, more like 90-100.
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On June 21 2021 18:01 Harris1st wrote:
I think Reynor and Serral should send Dark a gift basket for kicking out Clem :D
Well, Serral has a very real chance of getting knocked out soon too, if he plays vs. Dark or Reynor in the losers' semifinals!
It's unfortunate that Clem's run wasn't that great, especially against the Koreans in the winners'/losers' brackets, but the competition is tough at that level. Let's see if Serral can run through the losers' bracket and if Reynor can stay in the winners', for some foreigner representation.
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Italy3963 Posts
I did nothing but point out some inconsistencies in the evaluation of certain issues.
On June 21 2021 15:58 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2021 07:30 Xain0n wrote:
Isn't it fun that the same people who were sure lag was the main reason for which Reynor beat Maru now aren't saying anything about ping affecting Terran the most?
Just pick one, guys.
I, for one, will be really interested to watch Clem play against the style Dark displayed on LAN or the same server; thus said, this series was truly good from Dark.
Speaking of overhype, everyone seem to genuinely love Clem and the idea of a foreign Terran eventually being a top player.
Once Serral started winning, he was never overhyped. Yes, Clem is a bit more at a disadvantage playing TvZ cross server than a zerg opponent (but he has time zone advantage), hard to quantify by how much though. But in TvT you are as disadvantaged as the opponent given equal ping, so we would have to see their respective pings. It’s merely a code A Terran though...
Calling Cure a "code A Terran" is a Twitch chat level bait.
On June 21 2021 13:36 starkiller123 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2021 12:53 Morbidius wrote:
A high profile foreigner loss would not be complete without Xainon blaming it on something else and going on a stupid rant insulting every poster. its honestly a staple of TL these days lol
You act like you have no idea what ranting and insulting really is which is very surprising since I know you do.
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On June 21 2021 20:27 Xain0n wrote:I did nothing but point out some inconsistencies in the evaluation of certain issues. Show nested quote +On June 21 2021 15:58 Poopi wrote:On June 21 2021 07:30 Xain0n wrote:
Isn't it fun that the same people who were sure lag was the main reason for which Reynor beat Maru now aren't saying anything about ping affecting Terran the most?
Just pick one, guys.
I, for one, will be really interested to watch Clem play against the style Dark displayed on LAN or the same server; thus said, this series was truly good from Dark.
Speaking of overhype, everyone seem to genuinely love Clem and the idea of a foreign Terran eventually being a top player.
Once Serral started winning, he was never overhyped. Yes, Clem is a bit more at a disadvantage playing TvZ cross server than a zerg opponent (but he has time zone advantage), hard to quantify by how much though. But in TvT you are as disadvantaged as the opponent given equal ping, so we would have to see their respective pings. It’s merely a code A Terran though... Calling Cure a "code A Terran" is a Twitch chat level bait. Show nested quote +On June 21 2021 13:36 starkiller123 wrote:On June 21 2021 12:53 Morbidius wrote:
A high profile foreigner loss would not be complete without Xainon blaming it on something else and going on a stupid rant insulting every poster. its honestly a staple of TL these days lol You act like you have no idea what ranting and insulting really is which is very surprising since I know you do.
Btw serral lost to a mere code A protoss gotta feel bad for him 
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