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On June 21 2021 12:26 swarminfestor wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2021 09:54 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 21 2021 07:30 Xain0n wrote:
Isn't it fun that the same people who were sure lag was the main reason for which Reynor beat Maru now aren't saying anything about ping affecting Terran the most?
Just pick one, guys.
I, for one, will be really interested to watch Clem play against the style Dark displayed on LAN or the same server; thus said, this series was truly good from Dark.
Speaking of overhype, everyone seem to genuinely love Clem and the idea of a foreign Terran eventually being a top player.
Once Serral started winning, he was never overhyped. For the record, I never blamed ping once for why Maru lost to Reynor. I blamed his completely stupid build order in game 4 when he gave the game away. I also blamed the map pool a little because Romanticide and Pillars of Gold are VERY Zerg favored in my opinion. Funny how you were absent from this thread until your golden boy lost to a Zerg who you continue to never give the proper respect to because you're still mad about him winning Blizzcon that one year. I thought he targeting all the Korean players who demolished his favorite foreign players and the hatred goes to the players like Rogue, Maru and Dark as far as I remembered trying to disqualify their obvious dominant performances by whatever he thought the reason.
Also he's salty because Dark beat down a player that trashes Serral lately, proving that he has superior ZvT compared to him.
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On June 21 2021 20:32 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2021 12:26 swarminfestor wrote:On June 21 2021 09:54 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 21 2021 07:30 Xain0n wrote:
Isn't it fun that the same people who were sure lag was the main reason for which Reynor beat Maru now aren't saying anything about ping affecting Terran the most?
Just pick one, guys.
I, for one, will be really interested to watch Clem play against the style Dark displayed on LAN or the same server; thus said, this series was truly good from Dark.
Speaking of overhype, everyone seem to genuinely love Clem and the idea of a foreign Terran eventually being a top player.
Once Serral started winning, he was never overhyped. For the record, I never blamed ping once for why Maru lost to Reynor. I blamed his completely stupid build order in game 4 when he gave the game away. I also blamed the map pool a little because Romanticide and Pillars of Gold are VERY Zerg favored in my opinion. Funny how you were absent from this thread until your golden boy lost to a Zerg who you continue to never give the proper respect to because you're still mad about him winning Blizzcon that one year. I thought he targeting all the Korean players who demolished his favorite foreign players and the hatred goes to the players like Rogue, Maru and Dark as far as I remembered trying to disqualify their obvious dominant performances by whatever he thought the reason. Also he's salty because Dark beat down a player that trashes Serral lately, proving that he has superior ZvT compared to him.
I assure you that I am not salty and that, if anything, your logic would lead to no conclusions considering that Serral's record against korean Terran has been better than Dark's, recently.
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Double post, not intended.
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On June 21 2021 20:11 stilt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2021 08:55 JJH777 wrote:On June 21 2021 08:24 Xain0n wrote:On June 21 2021 07:51 JJH777 wrote:On June 21 2021 07:30 Xain0n wrote:
Isn't it fun that the same people who were sure lag was the main reason for which Reynor beat Maru now aren't saying anything about ping affecting Terran the most?
Just pick one, guys.
I, for one, will be really interested to watch Clem play against the style Dark displayed on LAN or the same server; thus said, this series was truly good from Dark.
Speaking of overhype, everyone seem to genuinely love Clem and the idea of a foreign Terran eventually being a top player.
Once Serral started winning, he was never overhyped. It's not just that it affects Terran the most. It's also that the ping for Korea to NA is worse than most of EU to NA. That's especially true for western EU. For Western EU countries it would actually be far more fair to play all games on NA West. A lot of people have called Serral GOAT. Especially on Reddit. That is overhype. For current skill rather than overall achievement I'll agree that he's generally been rated fairly though maybe slightly overhyped at times. Where are you getting this idea from(rhetorical question)? The datas I remember and that were posted seemed to indicate the opposite. Ping from Korea to NA west was always better than ping from EUW to NA west and the majority of games are already being played on that server. The overhype people in this thread were speaking of was evidently related to the skill level(which, also, it is more or less objective); it would be wise to avoid the evaluation of certain achievements, which are instead subjective unlike the achievements itself. Data posted here of which there has been very little has always indicated that Koreans are getting the short end with ping. You can also use a website like this one: https://wondernetwork.com/Plugging in some locations on that site shows EU is dramatically favored. EU countries have less than 100 ping to the east coast. Korea is almost 200. France literally has 70 ping to the eastern half of the US. Korea vs France on NA west would be 140ping for France vs 136 ping for Korea. Korea vs France on NA East would be nearly 200 ping vs 70 ping. And yes I know this site and others like it aren't going to translate perfectly to SC2 but ultimately nothing is because one of the most important things is the individual players connections which we have no info on. Edit: I was incorrect on the distances. Not sure how as I was putting it into Google as I was typing the post but just did it again and got different numbers. Good luck in finding a french connexion at 140 ping on na west. Never got 70 pings on east either, more like 90-100.
The important thing isn't the exact numbers which will vary from person to person but that ping to NA West from Korea and France should be about equal given equal connections while ping to NA East favors France by around 100 ping. The only way the exact numbers are important is if they are deciding server on a series by series basis after pinging both players but from my understanding they have a set policy that is decided at the beginning of the event.
In response to Xainon NA servers are in Chicago and LA. So the advantage won't be quite as bad as what the New York numbers are suggesting. Still would be far more fair to have all games on West though.
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Canada8990 Posts
On June 21 2021 22:58 JJH777 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2021 20:11 stilt wrote:On June 21 2021 08:55 JJH777 wrote:On June 21 2021 08:24 Xain0n wrote:On June 21 2021 07:51 JJH777 wrote:On June 21 2021 07:30 Xain0n wrote:
Isn't it fun that the same people who were sure lag was the main reason for which Reynor beat Maru now aren't saying anything about ping affecting Terran the most?
Just pick one, guys.
I, for one, will be really interested to watch Clem play against the style Dark displayed on LAN or the same server; thus said, this series was truly good from Dark.
Speaking of overhype, everyone seem to genuinely love Clem and the idea of a foreign Terran eventually being a top player.
Once Serral started winning, he was never overhyped. It's not just that it affects Terran the most. It's also that the ping for Korea to NA is worse than most of EU to NA. That's especially true for western EU. For Western EU countries it would actually be far more fair to play all games on NA West. A lot of people have called Serral GOAT. Especially on Reddit. That is overhype. For current skill rather than overall achievement I'll agree that he's generally been rated fairly though maybe slightly overhyped at times. Where are you getting this idea from(rhetorical question)? The datas I remember and that were posted seemed to indicate the opposite. Ping from Korea to NA west was always better than ping from EUW to NA west and the majority of games are already being played on that server. The overhype people in this thread were speaking of was evidently related to the skill level(which, also, it is more or less objective); it would be wise to avoid the evaluation of certain achievements, which are instead subjective unlike the achievements itself. Data posted here of which there has been very little has always indicated that Koreans are getting the short end with ping. You can also use a website like this one: https://wondernetwork.com/Plugging in some locations on that site shows EU is dramatically favored. EU countries have less than 100 ping to the east coast. Korea is almost 200. France literally has 70 ping to the eastern half of the US. Korea vs France on NA west would be 140ping for France vs 136 ping for Korea. Korea vs France on NA East would be nearly 200 ping vs 70 ping. And yes I know this site and others like it aren't going to translate perfectly to SC2 but ultimately nothing is because one of the most important things is the individual players connections which we have no info on. Edit: I was incorrect on the distances. Not sure how as I was putting it into Google as I was typing the post but just did it again and got different numbers. Good luck in finding a french connexion at 140 ping on na west. Never got 70 pings on east either, more like 90-100. The important thing isn't the exact numbers which will vary from person to person but that ping to NA West from Korea and France should be about equal given equal connections while ping to NA East favors France by around 100 ping. The only way the exact numbers are important is if they are deciding server on a series by series basis after pinging both players but from my understanding they have a set policy that is decided at the beginning of the event. In response to Xainon NA servers are in Chicago and LA. So the advantage won't be quite as bad as what the New York numbers are suggesting. Still would be far more fair to have all games on West though.
Heh, I feel like it's best to alternate anyway, even if on average it might be better for EU on west than KR on central. If you start doing that you get into all weird scenario where depending on where you are on EU, the time, your connection ect.. and someone get to say they play all their game with worst Ping because of the ref and you just create problems for yourself. Better to keep it simple and say half the game will be played on the best realistic server for KR and half will be played on the best realistic server for EU.
Alternatively, we could all migrate on the chinese server and make things equaly miserable for all.
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Canada8990 Posts
TLO predictions are too easy, anyone wanna sing bet that Serral will win both TSL 7 and Next?
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On June 22 2021 02:28 Nakajin wrote:
TLO predictions are too easy, anyone wanna sing bet that Serral will win both TSL 7 and Next?
Do you think he will win them both, or do you think he'll lose at least one?
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On June 22 2021 02:40 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2021 02:28 Nakajin wrote:
TLO predictions are too easy, anyone wanna sing bet that Serral will win both TSL 7 and Next? Do you think he will win them both, or do you think he'll lose at least one?
Whatever Nakajin is betting I don't wanna hear anyone in this LR sing
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Canada8990 Posts
On June 22 2021 02:40 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2021 02:28 Nakajin wrote:
TLO predictions are too easy, anyone wanna sing bet that Serral will win both TSL 7 and Next? Do you think he will win them both, or do you think he'll lose at least one?
That he's gonna win both
On June 22 2021 02:47 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2021 02:40 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On June 22 2021 02:28 Nakajin wrote:
TLO predictions are too easy, anyone wanna sing bet that Serral will win both TSL 7 and Next? Do you think he will win them both, or do you think he'll lose at least one? Whatever Nakajin is betting I don't wanna hear anyone in this LR sing
You are missing out
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