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Dragonslayer26
Profile Joined February 2021
9 Posts
February 28 2021 16:07 GMT
#541
On March 01 2021 01:06 stilt wrote:
The underdog managed to come back to a 0-2 deficit, that's great.
That said, I don't think he has much of chance against Zest considering their recent history...


He's confident against Zest, and he managed to beat Maru so I wouldn't count out Reynor beating Zest.
Lexender
Profile Joined September 2013
Mexico2656 Posts
February 28 2021 16:07 GMT
#542
On March 01 2021 01:06 stilt wrote:
The underdog managed to come back to a 0-2 deficit, that's great.
That said, I don't think he has much of chance against Zest considering their recent history...


Can you really call underdog the guy who won the most premiers in 2020?
Swisslink
Profile Joined March 2011
2954 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-02-28 16:08:37
February 28 2021 16:08 GMT
#543
On March 01 2021 01:03 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2021 01:02 WombaT wrote:
On March 01 2021 00:59 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
On March 01 2021 00:57 Swisslink wrote:
On March 01 2021 00:55 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
Wow, that game was something else. I had no idea who was going to win.


Agreed. I do think however that the casters made that look far worse for Reynor than it actually was. Even when he had lost all his bases, he was able to counterpunch immediately and crushed Maru's economy as well. I never really felt as if Reynor was dead there.


I play neither Zerg nor Terran, so I have to take your word for it, but low economy usually favours Terran, and Zerg usually needs to be ahead in bases just to keep it even in ZvT, so on general principles Reynor looked super dead to me.

It wasn’t your typical low eco game though, Reynor had plenty of drones it was a matter of getting hatches back up and keeping Maru from killing him.

Maru probably wins if he doesn’t kill one of the hatches vs killing the drones instead, Reynor was pretty good at pulling them away mind

I kinda agree but I don't remember a clear moment when he could have done that, Reynor was very quick on the pulls and bringing back some army everytime


Hard to judge without the replay, imo. There was so much going on that the observer barely managed to catch up with all the fights going on at the same time. Reynor definitely reacted perfectly in many cases though as far as we can judge.
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-02-28 16:09:15
February 28 2021 16:08 GMT
#544
Edit: Reply instead of edit, have not done that one in a while
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sudete
Profile Joined December 2012
Singapore3054 Posts
February 28 2021 16:08 GMT
#545
For those of you hoping Zest is going to upset Reynor in the finals, I recommend just doing something else so you don't feel sad xd
Year of MaxPax
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4417 Posts
February 28 2021 16:08 GMT
#546
3 year streak of international events being only ZvP or ZvZ finals can't be broken by Maru. The sole exception is WESG. Let's make it 4 years with 2021.
JoeCool
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany2520 Posts
February 28 2021 16:09 GMT
#547
On March 01 2021 01:00 MarianoSC2 wrote:
Oh well, its up to you Zest to stop this nonsense now. It would be a huge disappointment and very underserving if someone won the world championship solely based off luck.



Stop it already, Reynor faced the strongest players this torunament. He played against Zest (his only loss), Stats, Dark and Maru and he's facing either Parting or Zest in the finals. This has nothing to do with "luck".
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15846 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-02-28 16:09:31
February 28 2021 16:09 GMT
#548
On March 01 2021 01:05 Nakajin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2021 00:59 stilt wrote:
On March 01 2021 00:57 sudete wrote:
On March 01 2021 00:57 stilt wrote:
On March 01 2021 00:54 Nakajin wrote:
God I might actually leave Starcraft for a couple of years, because I won't be able to bear hearing about that one


Y'a I'm done for this Katowice, have fun ya'll!


Toxicity as its finest.


How is that toxicity? He has stated his opinion and his intention is to stop watching starcraft for a while. That's just what he wants


Because a player won ? x)
You are like kpop fan, cringy af


Ok maybe I over reacted a bit, but I'm not particularly a Maru fan, I thought Reynr was one of the favorite going into today, clearly he deserve to win if he does.

But the casting, jesus the casting is just to much for me to take. I get that Reynor is their friend, a nice guy and that they hang out with him and whatnot while they don't really know Maru, but listening to Clem games on the french stream was more neutral.

I watch the French stream except for clem's games, I don't think it can be true. But yeah on the French stream they were both hyped for the foreigner and one of the caster is a big maru fanboy so it evens out, lot of passion, no bias.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
Fanatic-Templar
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada5819 Posts
February 28 2021 16:09 GMT
#549
On March 01 2021 01:06 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2021 01:00 MarianoSC2 wrote:
So frustrating that some people can be this lucky. Reynor got totally destroyed and outclassed in the first 2 games and then Maru and lady luck decided to gift him the series for some reason:

- Lucky build orders
- Marus play and macro slowing down due to shoulder pain
- Open walls
- Maru even had the last game won despite his macro being way slower than previos games. All he had to do was attack Reynor before he established his bases and built infestors but he just waited there to die

Oh well, its up to you Zest to stop this nonsense now. It would be a huge disappointment and very underserving if someone won the world championship solely based off luck.

Please don't watch the 2018 Katowice ro4 where Maru went up 2-0 then died to what were confirmed as meme builds to entertain the fans


I like how a failure to build walls while Terran somehow isn't an indicator of skill.
I bear this sig to commemorate the loss of the team icon that commemorated Oversky's 2008-2009 Proleague Round 1 performance.
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
February 28 2021 16:09 GMT
#550
On March 01 2021 01:06 stilt wrote:
The underdog managed to come back to a 0-2 deficit, that's great.
That said, I don't think he has much of chance against Zest considering their recent history...

Reynor is sweeping Zest
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
February 28 2021 16:09 GMT
#551
Ha ha Kaelaris already setting up for "Reynor goat" if he becomes the champion.
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
JoeCool
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany2520 Posts
February 28 2021 16:10 GMT
#552
On March 01 2021 01:08 sudete wrote:
For those of you hoping Zest is going to upset Reynor in the finals, I recommend just doing something else so you don't feel sad xd


I wouldn't be too sure. But I'd rather see Reynor play Zest than Parting. Parting is probably the bigger threat.
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3541 Posts
February 28 2021 16:10 GMT
#553
On March 01 2021 01:09 sneakyfox wrote:
Ha ha Kaelaris already setting up for "Reynor goat" if he becomes the champion.

Which is so fucking stupid of a narrative.
Swisslink
Profile Joined March 2011
2954 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-02-28 16:10:56
February 28 2021 16:10 GMT
#554
Unfortunately we get a PvZ finals now and PvZ just sucks. No bad feelings for neither of the players remaining, but I just hate the matchup. To play just as much as to watch.
dysenterymd
Profile Joined January 2019
1250 Posts
February 28 2021 16:10 GMT
#555
On March 01 2021 01:09 JoeCool wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2021 01:00 MarianoSC2 wrote:
Oh well, its up to you Zest to stop this nonsense now. It would be a huge disappointment and very underserving if someone won the world championship solely based off luck.



Stop it already, Reynor faced the strongest players this torunament. He played against Zest (his only loss), Stats, Dark and Maru and he's facing either Parting or Zest in the finals. This has nothing to do with "luck".


Imo any super close 3-2 series is arguably decided by "luck", but that's true no matter who wins. Anyone who can make it to match point against multiple top tier players in a row is a deserving champion even if they get a few lucky breaks along the way.
Serral | Inno | sOs | soO | Has | Classic
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
February 28 2021 16:10 GMT
#556
On March 01 2021 01:09 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2021 01:06 Fango wrote:
On March 01 2021 01:00 MarianoSC2 wrote:
So frustrating that some people can be this lucky. Reynor got totally destroyed and outclassed in the first 2 games and then Maru and lady luck decided to gift him the series for some reason:

- Lucky build orders
- Marus play and macro slowing down due to shoulder pain
- Open walls
- Maru even had the last game won despite his macro being way slower than previos games. All he had to do was attack Reynor before he established his bases and built infestors but he just waited there to die

Oh well, its up to you Zest to stop this nonsense now. It would be a huge disappointment and very underserving if someone won the world championship solely based off luck.

Please don't watch the 2018 Katowice ro4 where Maru went up 2-0 then died to what were confirmed as meme builds to entertain the fans


I like how a failure to build walls while Terran somehow isn't an indicator of skill.


I mean they even have doors.
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DarkGamer
Profile Joined November 2012
Germany330 Posts
February 28 2021 16:10 GMT
#557
On March 01 2021 01:01 darklycid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2021 01:00 MarianoSC2 wrote:
So frustrating that some people can be this lucky. Reynor got totally destroyed and outclassed in the first 2 games and then Maru and lady luck decided to gift him the series for some reason:

- Lucky build orders
- Marus play and macro slowing down due to shoulder pain
- Open walls
- Maru even had the last game won despite his macro being way slower than previos games. All he had to do was attack Reynor before he established his bases and built infestors but he just waited there to die

Oh well, its up to you Zest to stop this nonsense now. It would be a huge disappointment and very underserving if someone won the world championship solely based off luck.

You are a troll aren't you?



Yes. Known troll. His comments should be automatically deleted.

Im t player and i think maru played great. But Reynor is rly on the same lvl obviously.
Fanatic-Templar
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada5819 Posts
February 28 2021 16:10 GMT
#558
God, why are the casters still talking about Maru? He's out of the tournament, let it go.

So much bias, ugh.
I bear this sig to commemorate the loss of the team icon that commemorated Oversky's 2008-2009 Proleague Round 1 performance.
Lexender
Profile Joined September 2013
Mexico2656 Posts
February 28 2021 16:11 GMT
#559
On March 01 2021 01:08 JJH777 wrote:
3 year streak of international events being only ZvP or ZvZ finals can't be broken by Maru. The sole exception is WESG. Let's make it 4 years with 2021.


Hopefully we can get a few GSL terran finals and hope is just as bad as 2020 and not as BAD as 2019.
DBooN
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2727 Posts
February 28 2021 16:11 GMT
#560
On March 01 2021 01:07 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2021 01:05 Nakajin wrote:
On March 01 2021 00:59 stilt wrote:
On March 01 2021 00:57 sudete wrote:
On March 01 2021 00:57 stilt wrote:
On March 01 2021 00:54 Nakajin wrote:
God I might actually leave Starcraft for a couple of years, because I won't be able to bear hearing about that one


Y'a I'm done for this Katowice, have fun ya'll!


Toxicity as its finest.


How is that toxicity? He has stated his opinion and his intention is to stop watching starcraft for a while. That's just what he wants


Because a player won ? x)
You are like kpop fan, cringy af


Ok maybe I over reacted a bit, but I'm not particularly a Maru fan, I thought Reynr was one of the favorite going into today, clearly he deserve to win if he does.

But the casting, jesus the casting is just to much for me to take. I get that Reynor is their friend, a nice guy and that they hang out with him and whatnot while they don't really know Maru, but listening to Clem games on the french stream was more neutral.

French cast was much better
Foreign casters are too biased haha.
Super sad series, I think I need a couple weeks off. Maru was the last hope for a terran champion, so sad.

I haven't watched the French stream, but I imagine the difference is that the French commentators are just openly cheering for their player, while on the english stream they pretend to be neutral while talking about how Serral is the goat, Reynor outplayed Maru in those 2 games he lost, Clem is the best terran in the world etc.
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