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[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24238 Posts
February 28 2021 16:04 GMT
#521
On March 01 2021 01:03 Dragonslayer26 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2021 01:01 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On March 01 2021 01:01 Dragonslayer26 wrote:
Wow! Just woke up and missed Reynor vs Maru. Glad to see that he won 3-2, but are the games worth watching?

hell yeah. Just skip g4.


Any reason why?

it's a very straightforward loss for Maru, not interesting at all
Swisslink
Profile Joined March 2011
2954 Posts
February 28 2021 16:04 GMT
#522
On March 01 2021 01:02 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2021 00:59 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
On March 01 2021 00:57 Swisslink wrote:
On March 01 2021 00:55 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
Wow, that game was something else. I had no idea who was going to win.


Agreed. I do think however that the casters made that look far worse for Reynor than it actually was. Even when he had lost all his bases, he was able to counterpunch immediately and crushed Maru's economy as well. I never really felt as if Reynor was dead there.


I play neither Zerg nor Terran, so I have to take your word for it, but low economy usually favours Terran, and Zerg usually needs to be ahead in bases just to keep it even in ZvT, so on general principles Reynor looked super dead to me.

It wasn’t your typical low eco game though, Reynor had plenty of drones it was a matter of getting hatches back up and keeping Maru from killing him.

Maru probably wins if he doesn’t kill one of the hatches vs killing the drones instead, Reynor was pretty good at pulling them away mind



Yeah, I think the casters really missed that Reynor had a good amount of drones even when all his hatcheries had fallen.
Lexender
Profile Joined September 2013
Mexico2656 Posts
February 28 2021 16:04 GMT
#523
On March 01 2021 01:03 ShAd_1337 wrote:
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On March 01 2021 01:02 Brutaxilos wrote:
I don't wanna watch anymore. :/

hey, you don't have to!


Doesn't historically semis tend to have more viewers than finals when the finals is ZvZ, ZvP?
sudete
Profile Joined December 2012
Singapore3054 Posts
February 28 2021 16:05 GMT
#524
Surely we can do away with region locking soon
Year of MaxPax
mierin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4943 Posts
February 28 2021 16:05 GMT
#525
Man reading this thread is almost as good as watching Arty lose it on stream. Keep crying / rationalizing, Maru fanboys!
JD, Stork, Calm, Hyuk Fighting!
Fanatic-Templar
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada5819 Posts
February 28 2021 16:05 GMT
#526
On March 01 2021 01:02 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2021 00:59 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
On March 01 2021 00:57 Swisslink wrote:
On March 01 2021 00:55 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
Wow, that game was something else. I had no idea who was going to win.


Agreed. I do think however that the casters made that look far worse for Reynor than it actually was. Even when he had lost all his bases, he was able to counterpunch immediately and crushed Maru's economy as well. I never really felt as if Reynor was dead there.


I play neither Zerg nor Terran, so I have to take your word for it, but low economy usually favours Terran, and Zerg usually needs to be ahead in bases just to keep it even in ZvT, so on general principles Reynor looked super dead to me.

It wasn’t your typical low eco game though, Reynor had plenty of drones it was a matter of getting hatches back up and keeping Maru from killing him.

Maru probably wins if he doesn’t kill one of the hatches vs killing the drones instead, Reynor was pretty good at pulling them away mind


All right, thanks for the analysis.
I bear this sig to commemorate the loss of the team icon that commemorated Oversky's 2008-2009 Proleague Round 1 performance.
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
February 28 2021 16:05 GMT
#527
On March 01 2021 01:03 Sorusaba wrote:
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On March 01 2021 01:00 MarianoSC2 wrote:
So frustrating that some people can be this lucky. Reynor got totally destroyed and outclassed in the first 2 games and then Maru and lady luck decided to gift him the series for some reason:

- Lucky build orders
- Marus play and macro slowing down due to shoulder pain
- Open walls
- Maru even had the last game won despite his macro being way slower than previos games. All he had to do was attack Reynor before he established his bases and built infestors but he just waited there to die

Oh well, its up to you Zest to stop this nonsense now. It would be a huge disappointment and very underserving if someone won the world championship solely based off luck.


apparently, when foreigner wins

better strategy and preparation = luck
koreans getting outplayed macro-wise = luck
koreans making obvious mistakes = luck
koreans getting outplayed tactically = luck
koreans getting outplayed with decision-making = luck

is it even possible to win a straight-up game of sc2 at this level of makebelief and delusion?

Buddy if Maru won with build order wins it would still be luck
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-02-28 16:06:13
February 28 2021 16:05 GMT
#528
On March 01 2021 00:59 stilt wrote:
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On March 01 2021 00:57 sudete wrote:
On March 01 2021 00:57 stilt wrote:
On March 01 2021 00:54 Nakajin wrote:
God I might actually leave Starcraft for a couple of years, because I won't be able to bear hearing about that one


Y'a I'm done for this Katowice, have fun ya'll!


Toxicity as its finest.


How is that toxicity? He has stated his opinion and his intention is to stop watching starcraft for a while. That's just what he wants


Because a player won ? x)
You are like kpop fan, cringy af


Ok maybe I over reacted a bit, but I'm not particularly a Maru fan, I thought Reynr was one of the favorite going into today, clearly he deserve to win if he does.

But the casting, jesus the casting is just to much for me to take. I get that Reynor is their friend, a nice guy and that they hang out with him and whatnot while they don't really know Maru, but listening to Clem games on the french stream was more neutral.
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24238 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-02-28 16:05:48
February 28 2021 16:05 GMT
#529
Reynor interviews are good indeed . That boy is radiant.
sudete
Profile Joined December 2012
Singapore3054 Posts
February 28 2021 16:05 GMT
#530
On March 01 2021 01:05 mierin wrote:
Man reading this thread is almost as good as watching Arty lose it on stream. Keep crying / rationalizing, Maru fanboys!


I think it's more than just Maru fanboys at this point
Year of MaxPax
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
February 28 2021 16:05 GMT
#531
Reynor Interviews are just amazing
MaxPax
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
February 28 2021 16:05 GMT
#532
Reynor interviews, lmao so good
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
February 28 2021 16:06 GMT
#533
This interview with an overexcited and happy Reynor is so fun. :D
Dragonslayer26
Profile Joined February 2021
9 Posts
February 28 2021 16:06 GMT
#534
Zest probably has a better chance of beating Reynor, but Parting games might be more interesting
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
February 28 2021 16:06 GMT
#535
On March 01 2021 01:00 MarianoSC2 wrote:
So frustrating that some people can be this lucky. Reynor got totally destroyed and outclassed in the first 2 games and then Maru and lady luck decided to gift him the series for some reason:

- Lucky build orders
- Marus play and macro slowing down due to shoulder pain
- Open walls
- Maru even had the last game won despite his macro being way slower than previos games. All he had to do was attack Reynor before he established his bases and built infestors but he just waited there to die

Oh well, its up to you Zest to stop this nonsense now. It would be a huge disappointment and very underserving if someone won the world championship solely based off luck.

Please don't watch the 2018 Katowice ro4 where Maru went up 2-0 then died to what were confirmed as meme builds to entertain the fans
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2755 Posts
February 28 2021 16:06 GMT
#536
The underdog managed to come back to a 0-2 deficit, that's great.
That said, I don't think he has much of chance against Zest considering their recent history...
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26739 Posts
February 28 2021 16:06 GMT
#537
On March 01 2021 01:05 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2021 01:02 WombaT wrote:
On March 01 2021 00:59 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
On March 01 2021 00:57 Swisslink wrote:
On March 01 2021 00:55 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
Wow, that game was something else. I had no idea who was going to win.


Agreed. I do think however that the casters made that look far worse for Reynor than it actually was. Even when he had lost all his bases, he was able to counterpunch immediately and crushed Maru's economy as well. I never really felt as if Reynor was dead there.


I play neither Zerg nor Terran, so I have to take your word for it, but low economy usually favours Terran, and Zerg usually needs to be ahead in bases just to keep it even in ZvT, so on general principles Reynor looked super dead to me.

It wasn’t your typical low eco game though, Reynor had plenty of drones it was a matter of getting hatches back up and keeping Maru from killing him.

Maru probably wins if he doesn’t kill one of the hatches vs killing the drones instead, Reynor was pretty good at pulling them away mind


All right, thanks for the analysis.

Based on my level of play I wouldn’t trust my analysis whatsoever mind.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12911 Posts
February 28 2021 16:07 GMT
#538
On March 01 2021 01:05 Nakajin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2021 00:59 stilt wrote:
On March 01 2021 00:57 sudete wrote:
On March 01 2021 00:57 stilt wrote:
On March 01 2021 00:54 Nakajin wrote:
God I might actually leave Starcraft for a couple of years, because I won't be able to bear hearing about that one


Y'a I'm done for this Katowice, have fun ya'll!


Toxicity as its finest.


How is that toxicity? He has stated his opinion and his intention is to stop watching starcraft for a while. That's just what he wants


Because a player won ? x)
You are like kpop fan, cringy af


Ok maybe I over reacted a bit, but I'm not particularly a Maru fan, I thought Reynr was one of the favorite going into today, clearly he deserve to win if he does.

But the casting, jesus the casting is just to much for me to take. I get that Reynor is their friend, a nice guy and that they hang out with him and whatnot while they don't really know Maru, but listening to Clem games on the french stream was more neutral.

French cast was much better
Foreign casters are too biased haha.
Super sad series, I think I need a couple weeks off. Maru was the last hope for a terran champion, so sad.
WriterMaru
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16121 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-02-28 16:08:22
February 28 2021 16:07 GMT
#539
On March 01 2021 01:06 Dragonslayer26 wrote:
Zest probably has a better chance of beating Reynor, but Parting games might be more interesting


Nah, Parting is a train wreck vs Zerg. You want a decent series, you gotta be pulling for Zest at this point.

Then again, Zest has a tendency to sometimes just not show up in finals sometimes perfect example being last year's IEM Katowice.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24238 Posts
February 28 2021 16:07 GMT
#540
On March 01 2021 01:07 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2021 01:05 Nakajin wrote:
On March 01 2021 00:59 stilt wrote:
On March 01 2021 00:57 sudete wrote:
On March 01 2021 00:57 stilt wrote:
On March 01 2021 00:54 Nakajin wrote:
God I might actually leave Starcraft for a couple of years, because I won't be able to bear hearing about that one


Y'a I'm done for this Katowice, have fun ya'll!


Toxicity as its finest.


How is that toxicity? He has stated his opinion and his intention is to stop watching starcraft for a while. That's just what he wants


Because a player won ? x)
You are like kpop fan, cringy af


Ok maybe I over reacted a bit, but I'm not particularly a Maru fan, I thought Reynr was one of the favorite going into today, clearly he deserve to win if he does.

But the casting, jesus the casting is just to much for me to take. I get that Reynor is their friend, a nice guy and that they hang out with him and whatnot while they don't really know Maru, but listening to Clem games on the french stream was more neutral.

French cast was much better
Foreign casters are too biased haha.
Super sad series, I think I need a couple weeks off. Maru was the last hope for a terran champion, so sad.

French cast was fantastic yeah
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