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Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7166 Posts
February 27 2021 14:59 GMT
#121
On February 27 2021 23:55 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2021 23:53 Luolis wrote:
On February 27 2021 23:51 Charoisaur wrote:
On February 27 2021 23:48 Luolis wrote:
On February 27 2021 23:39 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
On February 27 2021 23:38 WombaT wrote:
On February 27 2021 23:14 Waxangel wrote:
Who wants to take the hipster position that ZvZ is ACTUALLY the best match-up in SC2?

You misspelt PvP man, truly the hipster's matchup of choice


Disruptor vs. Disruptor is the best thing that ever happened to PvP. Incredibly exciting.

Disruptors are the worst unit ever added to sc2. You will not be able to change my mind.

Swarmhosts?

Swarm hosts aren't even close to disruptors. They were a horrible addition, but not the same kind of intensely aggravating as the disco ball.

Disco balls are amazing. I'm unsure why the devs never gave them a /dance animation where they light up like a disco ball so you can have a wee Protoss disco. Alas we are unlikely to ever see that brought into the game.

I think disruptors absolutely have aggravating elements to them but compared to WoL era infestors or swarmhosts they're incredible units

Man, disruptors are such a bad unit that comparing wol infestors to them is like comparing Mozart to Rebecca Black. Even swarm hosts have the redeeming quality of not being capable of ending a game in literally 1 second. Disruptors make your margin of error an absolute zero, which is something that no other unit has.
pro cheese woman / Its never Sunny in Finland. Perkele / FinnishStarcraftTrivia
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4417 Posts
February 27 2021 14:59 GMT
#122
On February 27 2021 23:58 Fango wrote:
I'm sorry but how are these casters saying "We say Serral is the greatest of all time, but there is always the asterisk of Dark" as if Serral somehow has an obvious better career record than Dark.

Koreans literally have to do twice as much as foreigners to get the same credit.


They view WCS and homestory cup wins as valuable as GSLs. It's absurd.
Fanatic-Templar
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada5819 Posts
February 27 2021 14:59 GMT
#123
On February 27 2021 23:55 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2021 23:53 Luolis wrote:
On February 27 2021 23:51 Charoisaur wrote:
On February 27 2021 23:48 Luolis wrote:
On February 27 2021 23:39 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
On February 27 2021 23:38 WombaT wrote:
On February 27 2021 23:14 Waxangel wrote:
Who wants to take the hipster position that ZvZ is ACTUALLY the best match-up in SC2?

You misspelt PvP man, truly the hipster's matchup of choice


Disruptor vs. Disruptor is the best thing that ever happened to PvP. Incredibly exciting.

Disruptors are the worst unit ever added to sc2. You will not be able to change my mind.

Swarmhosts?

Swarm hosts aren't even close to disruptors. They were a horrible addition, but not the same kind of intensely aggravating as the disco ball.

Disco balls are amazing. I'm unsure why the devs never gave them a /dance animation where they light up like a disco ball so you can have a wee Protoss disco. Alas we are unlikely to ever see that brought into the game.


Oracle already has that.
I bear this sig to commemorate the loss of the team icon that commemorated Oversky's 2008-2009 Proleague Round 1 performance.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26700 Posts
February 27 2021 15:00 GMT
#124
On February 27 2021 23:58 Fango wrote:
I'm sorry but how are these casters saying "We say Serral is the greatest of all time, but there is always the asterisk of Dark" as if Serral somehow has an obvious better career record than Dark.

Koreans literally have to do twice as much as foreigners to get the same credit.

Why do casters even do this? Is there a portion of the audience that absolutely loves this kind of framing?

Judging from TL LR threads it seems people almost universally hate this, even players who are rooting for the foreign players.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45697 Posts
February 27 2021 15:00 GMT
#125
Looks like Reynor is gonna break Dark here.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33592 Posts
February 27 2021 15:01 GMT
#126
On February 27 2021 23:58 Fango wrote:
I'm sorry but how are these casters saying "We say Serral is the greatest of all time, but there is always the asterisk of Dark" as if Serral somehow has an obvious better career record than Dark.

Koreans literally have to do twice as much as foreigners to get the same credit.


I'm more puzzled at how you interject with a random "Serral is the GOAT btw" when he's not in the match and out of the tournament
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45697 Posts
February 27 2021 15:01 GMT
#127
2-2 now!
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Fanatic-Templar
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada5819 Posts
February 27 2021 15:01 GMT
#128
Wow, really looked like Dark was going to hold there for a moment.
I bear this sig to commemorate the loss of the team icon that commemorated Oversky's 2008-2009 Proleague Round 1 performance.
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
February 27 2021 15:02 GMT
#129
Not sure about that one
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AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-02-27 15:02:42
February 27 2021 15:02 GMT
#130
damn that was so close to a good hold from Dark
2-2, this is a great series, I predicted Dark to win it, will be glad to be proven wrong
Faker is the GOAT!
mierin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4943 Posts
February 27 2021 15:02 GMT
#131
You love to see it! This playlist needs to be released.
JD, Stork, Calm, Hyuk Fighting!
sudete
Profile Joined December 2012
Singapore3054 Posts
February 27 2021 15:02 GMT
#132
This is shaping up to be a very sad result
Year of MaxPax
TentativePanda
Profile Joined August 2014
United States800 Posts
February 27 2021 15:03 GMT
#133
On February 28 2021 00:00 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2021 23:58 Fango wrote:
I'm sorry but how are these casters saying "We say Serral is the greatest of all time, but there is always the asterisk of Dark" as if Serral somehow has an obvious better career record than Dark.

Koreans literally have to do twice as much as foreigners to get the same credit.

Why do casters even do this? Is there a portion of the audience that absolutely loves this kind of framing?

Judging from TL LR threads it seems people almost universally hate this, even players who are rooting for the foreign players.


Yeah I think Serral is the GOAT but I think its extremely close, entirely debatable and not needed in the cast. Oh well
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45697 Posts
February 27 2021 15:03 GMT
#134
On February 28 2021 00:01 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2021 23:58 Fango wrote:
I'm sorry but how are these casters saying "We say Serral is the greatest of all time, but there is always the asterisk of Dark" as if Serral somehow has an obvious better career record than Dark.

Koreans literally have to do twice as much as foreigners to get the same credit.


I'm more puzzled at how you interject with a random "Serral is the GOAT btw" when he's not in the match and out of the tournament


It's because the foreigner GOAT got knocked out by the other foreigner GOAT, but now we're watching a ZvZ that includes the actual foreigner GOAT. It can be a little confusing, which is why I just defer to whoever the commentator is hyping.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Morbidius
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil3449 Posts
February 27 2021 15:03 GMT
#135
The asterisk:
*these other guys are better but they're not white
Has foreign StarCraft hit rock bottom?
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16062 Posts
February 27 2021 15:03 GMT
#136
On February 28 2021 00:00 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2021 23:58 Fango wrote:
I'm sorry but how are these casters saying "We say Serral is the greatest of all time, but there is always the asterisk of Dark" as if Serral somehow has an obvious better career record than Dark.

Koreans literally have to do twice as much as foreigners to get the same credit.

Why do casters even do this? Is there a portion of the audience that absolutely loves this kind of framing?

Judging from TL LR threads it seems people almost universally hate this, even players who are rooting for the foreign players.

maybe it hypes people up who don't follow the game as much and believe that the fan favourite Serral is the GOAT?
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33592 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-02-27 15:04:47
February 27 2021 15:04 GMT
#137
Neither player asking for a mid-series break in a 5 game series

Taking breaks to recover mental is for lesser player who don't have ridiculous self confidence
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-02-27 15:05:35
February 27 2021 15:05 GMT
#138
I am surprised every time by how much you guys belittle Serral's achievements.
Also, in a Reynor vs Dark series...
Husyelt
Profile Blog Joined May 2020
United States837 Posts
February 27 2021 15:05 GMT
#139
How are the casters being overly foreigner biased in this match? They have been talking about Dark's legacy and his strengths far more than Reynor here.
You're getting cynical and that won't do I'd throw the rose tint back on the exploded view
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
February 27 2021 15:05 GMT
#140
On February 27 2021 23:59 JJH777 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2021 23:58 Fango wrote:
I'm sorry but how are these casters saying "We say Serral is the greatest of all time, but there is always the asterisk of Dark" as if Serral somehow has an obvious better career record than Dark.

Koreans literally have to do twice as much as foreigners to get the same credit.


They view WCS and homestory cup wins as valuable as GSLs. It's absurd.

If you only compare their single best years, Serral's 2018 and Dark's 2019, they're somewhat close. Even though Dark's year had better results in korea.

Every other year in the history of sc2 has Dark light years ahead of Serral but I guess results before 2018 don't matter anymore.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
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