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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26718 Posts
February 27 2021 15:06 GMT
#141
On February 27 2021 23:59 Luolis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2021 23:55 WombaT wrote:
On February 27 2021 23:53 Luolis wrote:
On February 27 2021 23:51 Charoisaur wrote:
On February 27 2021 23:48 Luolis wrote:
On February 27 2021 23:39 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
On February 27 2021 23:38 WombaT wrote:
On February 27 2021 23:14 Waxangel wrote:
Who wants to take the hipster position that ZvZ is ACTUALLY the best match-up in SC2?

You misspelt PvP man, truly the hipster's matchup of choice


Disruptor vs. Disruptor is the best thing that ever happened to PvP. Incredibly exciting.

Disruptors are the worst unit ever added to sc2. You will not be able to change my mind.

Swarmhosts?

Swarm hosts aren't even close to disruptors. They were a horrible addition, but not the same kind of intensely aggravating as the disco ball.

Disco balls are amazing. I'm unsure why the devs never gave them a /dance animation where they light up like a disco ball so you can have a wee Protoss disco. Alas we are unlikely to ever see that brought into the game.

I think disruptors absolutely have aggravating elements to them but compared to WoL era infestors or swarmhosts they're incredible units

Man, disruptors are such a bad unit that comparing wol infestors to them is like comparing Mozart to Rebecca Black. Even swarm hosts have the redeeming quality of not being capable of ending a game in literally 1 second. Disruptors make your margin of error an absolute zero, which is something that no other unit has.

I don't think that's a unique characteristic of disruptors at all. Wouldn't argue that it necessarily means they're good or bad but they're hardly unique in being a unit that can give a game-winning advantage very quickly.

'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16062 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-02-27 15:07:43
February 27 2021 15:06 GMT
#142
On February 28 2021 00:05 Xain0n wrote:
I am surprised every time by how much you guys belittle Serral's achievements.
Also, in a Reynor vs Dark series...

the caster just randomly said Serral is the GOAT.


who is that btw? I don't recognize the voice
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2755 Posts
February 27 2021 15:06 GMT
#143
On February 28 2021 00:03 Morbidius wrote:
The asterisk:
*these other guys are better but they're not white


It's not based on race but chauvinism.
That's like french commentator saying "the french team played way better but "insert an excuse here" turned the odd against them".
AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-02-27 15:08:54
February 27 2021 15:07 GMT
#144
On February 28 2021 00:03 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2021 00:00 WombaT wrote:
On February 27 2021 23:58 Fango wrote:
I'm sorry but how are these casters saying "We say Serral is the greatest of all time, but there is always the asterisk of Dark" as if Serral somehow has an obvious better career record than Dark.

Koreans literally have to do twice as much as foreigners to get the same credit.

Why do casters even do this? Is there a portion of the audience that absolutely loves this kind of framing?

Judging from TL LR threads it seems people almost universally hate this, even players who are rooting for the foreign players.

maybe it hypes people up who don't follow the game as much and believe that the fan favourite Serral is the GOAT?

But why would you even talk about a player who is
1) not in the current game/series;
2) no longer in contention for the title of the current tournament;
3) not part of a discussion that benefits any players that are present in the current game (i.e Reynor and Dark)
There is literally no need to bring up Serral, he lost to a player who isn't even the strongest in the tournament, he's not worth talking about now.
also again, Serral is not the GOAT
Faker is the GOAT!
DBooN
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2727 Posts
February 27 2021 15:08 GMT
#145
We need an article by Olli called "The GOAT article".
Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7166 Posts
February 27 2021 15:08 GMT
#146
On February 28 2021 00:06 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2021 23:59 Luolis wrote:
On February 27 2021 23:55 WombaT wrote:
On February 27 2021 23:53 Luolis wrote:
On February 27 2021 23:51 Charoisaur wrote:
On February 27 2021 23:48 Luolis wrote:
On February 27 2021 23:39 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
On February 27 2021 23:38 WombaT wrote:
On February 27 2021 23:14 Waxangel wrote:
Who wants to take the hipster position that ZvZ is ACTUALLY the best match-up in SC2?

You misspelt PvP man, truly the hipster's matchup of choice


Disruptor vs. Disruptor is the best thing that ever happened to PvP. Incredibly exciting.

Disruptors are the worst unit ever added to sc2. You will not be able to change my mind.

Swarmhosts?

Swarm hosts aren't even close to disruptors. They were a horrible addition, but not the same kind of intensely aggravating as the disco ball.

Disco balls are amazing. I'm unsure why the devs never gave them a /dance animation where they light up like a disco ball so you can have a wee Protoss disco. Alas we are unlikely to ever see that brought into the game.

I think disruptors absolutely have aggravating elements to them but compared to WoL era infestors or swarmhosts they're incredible units

Man, disruptors are such a bad unit that comparing wol infestors to them is like comparing Mozart to Rebecca Black. Even swarm hosts have the redeeming quality of not being capable of ending a game in literally 1 second. Disruptors make your margin of error an absolute zero, which is something that no other unit has.

I don't think that's a unique characteristic of disruptors at all. Wouldn't argue that it necessarily means they're good or bad but they're hardly unique in being a unit that can give a game-winning advantage very quickly.


The time in which they do it is way different than any other thing in the game. The reaction you require for them is way more than for any other unit in the game.
pro cheese woman / Its never Sunny in Finland. Perkele / FinnishStarcraftTrivia
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13322 Posts
February 27 2021 15:08 GMT
#147
On February 28 2021 00:07 AzAlexZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2021 00:03 Charoisaur wrote:
On February 28 2021 00:00 WombaT wrote:
On February 27 2021 23:58 Fango wrote:
I'm sorry but how are these casters saying "We say Serral is the greatest of all time, but there is always the asterisk of Dark" as if Serral somehow has an obvious better career record than Dark.

Koreans literally have to do twice as much as foreigners to get the same credit.

Why do casters even do this? Is there a portion of the audience that absolutely loves this kind of framing?

Judging from TL LR threads it seems people almost universally hate this, even players who are rooting for the foreign players.

maybe it hypes people up who don't follow the game as much and believe that the fan favourite Serral is the GOAT?

But why would you even talk about a player who is
1) not in the current game/series;
2) no longer in contention for the title of the current tournament;
3) not part of a discussion that benefits any players that are present in the current game (i.e Reynor and Dark)
There is literally no need to bring up Serral, he lost to a player who isn't even the strongest in the tournament, not worth talking about.
also again, Serral is not a GOAT

Poll: Is Serral :

a GOAT (7)
 
44%

a SHEEP (9)
 
56%

16 total votes

Your vote: Is Serral :

(Vote): a GOAT
(Vote): a SHEEP

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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45705 Posts
February 27 2021 15:08 GMT
#148
Reynor being proactive in this final game, with the rush/all-in.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
TentativePanda
Profile Joined August 2014
United States800 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-02-27 15:09:18
February 27 2021 15:08 GMT
#149
Dark didnt make spire yet...

EDIT: He did but there was a solid 10-15 sec delay
Fanatic-Templar
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada5819 Posts
February 27 2021 15:08 GMT
#150
On February 28 2021 00:05 Husyelt wrote:
How are the casters being overly foreigner biased in this match? They have been talking about Dark's legacy and his strengths far more than Reynor here.


When casters hype a Korean, it's deserved. When they overhype a Korean, it's humour. When they hype a foreigner, it's bias.
I bear this sig to commemorate the loss of the team icon that commemorated Oversky's 2008-2009 Proleague Round 1 performance.
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-02-27 15:10:48
February 27 2021 15:09 GMT
#151
On February 28 2021 00:05 Xain0n wrote:
I am surprised every time by how much you guys belittle Serral's achievements.

I want it on record that any time I do this it's in response to Serral's achievements being overblown to the moon and every korean player's being somehow forgotten about.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
February 27 2021 15:09 GMT
#152
Jesus christ Dark just randomly losing now lmao love a good ZvZ
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7166 Posts
February 27 2021 15:10 GMT
#153
Reynor decided that he doesn't want to win the game?
pro cheese woman / Its never Sunny in Finland. Perkele / FinnishStarcraftTrivia
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45705 Posts
February 27 2021 15:10 GMT
#154
Reynor is way ahead in game five... he should win as long as he doesn't go full foreigner.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16121 Posts
February 27 2021 15:10 GMT
#155
Stream is dying. Bad time for it.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4417 Posts
February 27 2021 15:10 GMT
#156
This is a sad final game.
Fanatic-Templar
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada5819 Posts
February 27 2021 15:10 GMT
#157
Casters are getting silenced. Thread is getting their wish .
I bear this sig to commemorate the loss of the team icon that commemorated Oversky's 2008-2009 Proleague Round 1 performance.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45705 Posts
February 27 2021 15:10 GMT
#158
NASL audio guy returns! Ahahaha
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
February 27 2021 15:10 GMT
#159
On February 28 2021 00:08 DBooN wrote:
We need an article by Olli called "The GOAT article".

We need a drinking game for everytime casters bring up Serral in a match he isn't even in.

Or alternatively everytime he gets brought up in an LR thread for a match he isn't in
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16062 Posts
February 27 2021 15:10 GMT
#160
On February 28 2021 00:08 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2021 00:05 Husyelt wrote:
How are the casters being overly foreigner biased in this match? They have been talking about Dark's legacy and his strengths far more than Reynor here.


When casters hype a Korean, it's deserved. When they overhype a Korean, it's humour. When they hype a foreigner, it's bias.

when the casters talk about let's say TY as the definitive GOAT as if it was a fact I will call them out for being biased too
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