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Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
February 27 2021 15:46 GMT
#341
On February 28 2021 00:43 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2021 00:38 Nakajin wrote:
If Maru win next, surely Reynor is the overwhelming favorite to win the whole thing?

I think he is already right? His biggest threat is Rogue but after he beat Dark I think he's the favourite there.

He's not losing a ZvT.

Careful about absolute predictions some people have been roasted for them already this tournament. You'll get some Captain Hindsight's sending you PMs if he does
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Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
February 27 2021 15:46 GMT
#342
On February 28 2021 00:45 stilt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2021 00:43 Fango wrote:
On February 28 2021 00:38 Nakajin wrote:
If Maru win next, surely Reynor is the overwhelming favorite to win the whole thing?

I think he is already right? His biggest threat is Rogue but after he beat Dark I think he's the favourite there.

He's not losing a ZvT.


A big gabe in a amazing form was pretty close to do it.
I don't think Reynor is even favorite against Maru.


No way Maru win a TvZ on Ping in my mind
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Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7166 Posts
February 27 2021 15:46 GMT
#343
On February 28 2021 00:45 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2021 00:40 Waxangel wrote:
On February 28 2021 00:38 WombaT wrote:
On February 28 2021 00:36 Xamo wrote:
Best series of the tornament so far? Clem vs Serral could be the other cadidate for now.

I think this was more tense, exciting and strange given how game 5 went, Clem vs Serral was of better quality across the sets though IMO


yeh, but you can rate "series" in a different way from "games"

It's like how the Life-sOs BlizzCon final was an amazing series with seven pretty mediocre-to-awful games

Yeah rewatching some of the classics after the fact that does become painfully apparent.

What series are both incredible from a drama and narrative sense while also containing some truly great games too? Mvp vs Squirtle would come to mind immediately for me

Taeja vs Inno always comes to mind :>
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Captain Peabody
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3128 Posts
February 27 2021 15:46 GMT
#344
just for the record folks I am still on the "Parting is gonna win it all" hype train, and I will only give it up when you pry it from my cold, dead hands (after three failed cheeses in a row)
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Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
February 27 2021 15:47 GMT
#345
Reminder that in 2018 Maru went up 2-0 and Rogue then Rogue decided there's no way he could win and went for meme builds to try and entertain the fans, then went 7-0 from then onward to win the tournament.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-02-27 15:47:56
February 27 2021 15:47 GMT
#346
On February 28 2021 00:43 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2021 00:42 sneakyfox wrote:
On February 28 2021 00:38 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On February 28 2021 00:36 sneakyfox wrote:
On February 28 2021 00:31 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On February 28 2021 00:29 IshinShishi wrote:
I think its safe to say that at this point in time Reynor is indeed better than Serral

which wouldn't make Serral a bad player by any means. Reynor has that tiny edge of confidence boost, skillwise the highest level players (Zest, Trap, Dark, Rogue, Maru, Reynor, Serral, Clem...) look very close.


Not mentioning TY? You heretic!

he's there, I probably forgot some others. Wasn't trying to do anything exhaustive


Fair, but don't think you forgot anyone else.

at least Stats, even if we're going to lose him soon


I hate to say it but honestly don't think he's in the group at the moment. Don't think Zest was either until recently, just Trap was. The four (horsemen?) zerg have been steady for a good while, and the Terrans have shifted a bit with TY on top and Maru on/off. Clem is still ascending so it's hard to place him, except that he evidently has brilliant TvZ. He was only a dark horse coming into the tournament imo.
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
February 27 2021 15:47 GMT
#347
On February 28 2021 00:45 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2021 00:40 Waxangel wrote:
On February 28 2021 00:38 WombaT wrote:
On February 28 2021 00:36 Xamo wrote:
Best series of the tornament so far? Clem vs Serral could be the other cadidate for now.

I think this was more tense, exciting and strange given how game 5 went, Clem vs Serral was of better quality across the sets though IMO


yeh, but you can rate "series" in a different way from "games"

It's like how the Life-sOs BlizzCon final was an amazing series with seven pretty mediocre-to-awful games

Yeah rewatching some of the classics after the fact that does become painfully apparent.

What series are both incredible from a drama and narrative sense while also containing some truly great games too? Mvp vs Squirtle would come to mind immediately for me


Serral-soO from Katowice had both
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
February 27 2021 15:47 GMT
#348
On February 28 2021 00:40 JoeCool wrote:
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On February 28 2021 00:36 MarianoSC2 wrote:
On February 28 2021 00:32 JoeCool wrote:
On February 28 2021 00:31 MarianoSC2 wrote:
Kespa should come back and put Stats and Dark to the jail immediately. Unforgivable screw ups against this annoying clown kid :/
Oh well, Rogue or Maru will have to do the job to protect the honor of Korea now


Inb4 Reynor vs. Clem finals.


Nah, never gonna happen. Clem does not have what it takes yet and Reynors luck will run out.
This is the world championship not some foreignland BS tourney.


I find that a bit condescending. I mean sure, Clem will have a hard time vs. TY but if Reynor can take out Dark he can take out Rogue. And Maru... well it's Maru. I wouldn't bet my money on him outside GSL.

Truthfully if TY plays like he did against Clem in the group stage he won't have a hard time vs TY at all. Dunno if that was a ping issue or just a brain ping issue for TY
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Ciaus_Dronu
Profile Joined June 2017
South Africa1848 Posts
February 27 2021 15:48 GMT
#349
On February 28 2021 00:45 Waxangel wrote:
Honestly I wasn't so convinced with Rogue's group stage performance, and I'm not on board the "world champion-mode Rogue is here" train quite yet. Maru's form also hasn't been great in the last few months.

this one is a toss-up for me :0


Same, I think Rogue had some pretty favorable matches and even a Rogue who wasn't in his best state could get the 4-1 there. He did look much more good than meh though, in fairness.
MarianoSC2
Profile Joined June 2015
Slovakia1855 Posts
February 27 2021 15:48 GMT
#350
On February 28 2021 00:45 Waxangel wrote:
Honestly I wasn't so convinced with Rogue's group stage performance, and I'm not on board the "world champion-mode Rogue is here" train quite yet. Maru's form also hasn't been great in the last few months.

this one is a toss-up for me :0


Really? I thought Rogue looked super scary in the groupstage across all matchups. Yeah he clowned himself in 1 game against Parting with that stupid drone drill but otherwise he displayed an incredible form. Always one step ahead against all his opponents in everything he did.
Based on what we have seen, I am expecting a 3:0 or 3:1 for Rogue here, but lets see if Maru powers up or not.
Top 11: Rogue, Maru, Inno, Zest, Life, sOs, Stats, Dark, soO, Mvp, Classic/Trap/MC/Rain
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
February 27 2021 15:48 GMT
#351
On February 28 2021 00:45 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2021 00:40 Waxangel wrote:
On February 28 2021 00:38 WombaT wrote:
On February 28 2021 00:36 Xamo wrote:
Best series of the tornament so far? Clem vs Serral could be the other cadidate for now.

I think this was more tense, exciting and strange given how game 5 went, Clem vs Serral was of better quality across the sets though IMO


yeh, but you can rate "series" in a different way from "games"

It's like how the Life-sOs BlizzCon final was an amazing series with seven pretty mediocre-to-awful games

Yeah rewatching some of the classics after the fact that does become painfully apparent.

What series are both incredible from a drama and narrative sense while also containing some truly great games too? Mvp vs Squirtle would come to mind immediately for me

I also think there are a lot of series that get "saved" by game 5/7. Jaedong vs HerO from whatever IEM that was is an example (although I know non-HerO fans and toss haters have a very different recollection of that game than I do)
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26742 Posts
February 27 2021 15:49 GMT
#352
On February 28 2021 00:47 Nakajin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2021 00:45 WombaT wrote:
On February 28 2021 00:40 Waxangel wrote:
On February 28 2021 00:38 WombaT wrote:
On February 28 2021 00:36 Xamo wrote:
Best series of the tornament so far? Clem vs Serral could be the other cadidate for now.

I think this was more tense, exciting and strange given how game 5 went, Clem vs Serral was of better quality across the sets though IMO


yeh, but you can rate "series" in a different way from "games"

It's like how the Life-sOs BlizzCon final was an amazing series with seven pretty mediocre-to-awful games

Yeah rewatching some of the classics after the fact that does become painfully apparent.

What series are both incredible from a drama and narrative sense while also containing some truly great games too? Mvp vs Squirtle would come to mind immediately for me


Serral-soO from Katowice had both

Good series there.

I'm not really sure what Demu is talking about in terms of Maru being the little brother to Rogue, I mean Maru was posting results years ago and if not always called upon I'm pretty sure he was Jin Air's de facto ace/best player.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
February 27 2021 15:49 GMT
#353
On February 28 2021 00:45 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2021 00:40 Waxangel wrote:
On February 28 2021 00:38 WombaT wrote:
On February 28 2021 00:36 Xamo wrote:
Best series of the tornament so far? Clem vs Serral could be the other cadidate for now.

I think this was more tense, exciting and strange given how game 5 went, Clem vs Serral was of better quality across the sets though IMO


yeh, but you can rate "series" in a different way from "games"

It's like how the Life-sOs BlizzCon final was an amazing series with seven pretty mediocre-to-awful games

Yeah rewatching some of the classics after the fact that does become painfully apparent.

What series are both incredible from a drama and narrative sense while also containing some truly great games too? Mvp vs Squirtle would come to mind immediately for me

Life vs DreaM probably? Or the Maru vs TY GSL final(s)
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2755 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-02-27 15:50:52
February 27 2021 15:49 GMT
#354
On February 28 2021 00:45 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2021 00:40 Waxangel wrote:
On February 28 2021 00:38 WombaT wrote:
On February 28 2021 00:36 Xamo wrote:
Best series of the tornament so far? Clem vs Serral could be the other cadidate for now.

I think this was more tense, exciting and strange given how game 5 went, Clem vs Serral was of better quality across the sets though IMO


yeh, but you can rate "series" in a different way from "games"

It's like how the Life-sOs BlizzCon final was an amazing series with seven pretty mediocre-to-awful games

Yeah rewatching some of the classics after the fact that does become painfully apparent.

What series are both incredible from a drama and narrative sense while also containing some truly great games too? Mvp vs Squirtle would come to mind immediately for me


Life vs Taeja DH winter 2013 finals
Life vs Taeja 1/2 wcs world 2014
Life vs Maru iem Taipei finals
Life vs mvp gsl s4 finals 2012

Am I biaised ? Not at all x)

Other than this, some Reynor vs Serral and Reynor vs Clem have been amazing on dh eu.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33596 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-02-27 15:51:26
February 27 2021 15:50 GMT
#355
On February 28 2021 00:38 Nakajin wrote:
If Maru win next, surely Reynor is the overwhelming favorite to win the whole thing?


wow, imagine not being on board Wax's "this is the highest parity era of StarCraft II ever" train

srsly tho I think ppl's minds are STILL too anchored to 2018 and really want to find a new BEST IN THE WORLD after every match, whereas the truth is we just have a lot of good players who can beat each other in any given match.
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Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
February 27 2021 15:50 GMT
#356
On February 28 2021 00:49 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2021 00:47 Nakajin wrote:
On February 28 2021 00:45 WombaT wrote:
On February 28 2021 00:40 Waxangel wrote:
On February 28 2021 00:38 WombaT wrote:
On February 28 2021 00:36 Xamo wrote:
Best series of the tornament so far? Clem vs Serral could be the other cadidate for now.

I think this was more tense, exciting and strange given how game 5 went, Clem vs Serral was of better quality across the sets though IMO


yeh, but you can rate "series" in a different way from "games"

It's like how the Life-sOs BlizzCon final was an amazing series with seven pretty mediocre-to-awful games

Yeah rewatching some of the classics after the fact that does become painfully apparent.

What series are both incredible from a drama and narrative sense while also containing some truly great games too? Mvp vs Squirtle would come to mind immediately for me


Serral-soO from Katowice had both

Good series there.

I'm not really sure what Demu is talking about in terms of Maru being the little brother to Rogue, I mean Maru was posting results years ago and if not always called upon I'm pretty sure he was Jin Air's de facto ace/best player.

In terms of results in korea, Maru has been the best Jin Air player since he joined the team.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Gina
Profile Joined July 2019
241 Posts
February 27 2021 15:50 GMT
#357
I feel Zest now. Notice he cannot have a vZ until the finals.
Also hope he comes on looking like an orange again =)
Omit needles swords.
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
February 27 2021 15:51 GMT
#358
I am reading back through my 10 page battle report on Maru vs Rogue from last year's Super Tournament 2 and it's... not making me feel better about Maru's chances
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Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
February 27 2021 15:51 GMT
#359
On February 28 2021 00:50 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2021 00:38 Nakajin wrote:
If Maru win next, surely Reynor is the overwhelming favorite to win the whole thing?


wow, imagine not being on board Wax's "this is the highest parity era of StarCraft II ever" train


Writing article take time, making absolute claim is fast and if you do it enough you're sure to have a "I said it" quote at some point.
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stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2755 Posts
February 27 2021 15:52 GMT
#360
On February 28 2021 00:50 Gina wrote:
I feel Zest now. Notice he cannot have a vZ until the finals.
Also hope he comes on looking like an orange again =)


Seeing how he dealt with Reynor, pvz is not a problem for him.
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