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Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
February 25 2021 15:03 GMT
#81
On February 26 2021 00:02 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2021 00:01 Fango wrote:
On February 26 2021 00:00 Charoisaur wrote:
Terran now 6-26 in TvZ this tournament

Katowice 2020 was a repeat of 2018, maybe 2021 can redo 2019.


At least this time the Nydus Worm isn't so obviously broken.

It's Rogue, he can always make nydus broken
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16062 Posts
February 25 2021 15:04 GMT
#82
tbf most of the Zergs were expected to beat the terrans and the top Terrans Maru and TY still won (even though Maru got really lucky)
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
MarianoSC2
Profile Joined June 2015
Slovakia1855 Posts
February 25 2021 15:04 GMT
#83
On February 25 2021 23:57 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2021 23:51 darklycid wrote:
On February 25 2021 23:50 Charoisaur wrote:
Roguejwa shows up?

Let's wait for his ZvPs

usually that's his best matchup


Usually. But he has been struggling a lot with it in the past couple of months.
Let's see if he made adjustments, it's his tournament after all so if he is truly in Roguejwa form we can expect him to easily advance here, smash at least Parting and Neeb and than give us another amazing finals by 4:0 Stats or Zest
Top 11: Rogue, Maru, Inno, Zest, Life, sOs, Stats, Dark, soO, Mvp, Classic/Trap/MC/Rain
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
February 25 2021 15:04 GMT
#84
Too bad neeb lost to ragnarok. He should have been able to win that one, and I think he typically would. But if he doesn't win that one I don't think he has a strong chance in this group.

But let's see!
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3541 Posts
February 25 2021 15:05 GMT
#85
Terrans already talking up 2019 and bad performance while almost half of the ro12 players are terran, never change guys
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
February 25 2021 15:05 GMT
#86
On February 25 2021 23:58 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2021 23:52 Darkhorse wrote:
On February 25 2021 23:49 Fango wrote:
On February 25 2021 23:40 Darkhorse wrote:
On February 25 2021 23:32 Fango wrote:
On February 25 2021 23:27 Darkhorse wrote:
On February 25 2021 23:26 Fango wrote:
Another edition of Stats being consistently great in the big events despite the community believing someone else is the best protoss for some reason?

Are you implying that there wasn't a valid reason for people to think Trap was the best

Yeah, Zest and Stats have always performed better at the big events. Seeing Trap finally winning is great but at Katowice it's usually the same players who step up.

I mean you're really working that 20/20 hindsight but I dunno how we're supposed to just ignore the state of Protoss over the last four months and guess that whoever did better at last Katowice is the best. And by that logic we should also have been really hyping sOs I guess

sOs hasn't been a big game player since HotS. Stats has been for all of LotV, Trap hasn't ever.

Doing well under pressure and when it matters is different to just being a good player. I felt the same way about Cure last year. He had the hype but didn't "feel" like one of those champions.

are we just pretending that GSL Super Tournaments are tiny tournaments? Especially considering those were in studio and this is online

Would you have had Zoun as the favourite if he managed to win Super Tournament? It was within his grasp.

Katowice is weird. It's always whoever steps up at the time that does well. Some players have a history of doing that, some don't.

If Zoun had won Super Tournament 2 last year, DH Last Chance, and the first Super Tournament this year within the span of a few months I would have possibly considered him the best protoss player oh and if he also finished second at the Summer and Fall finals this year.

Meanwhile Zest hasn't won a premier since 2016 and Stats hasn't since 2019 (although if we're eliminating things like Assembly or Super Tournaments that goes back to 2017) So yeah hindsight 20/20 har har Trap lost yesterday. Doesn't mean it wasn't a valid thought pre tournament Trap had a bad day.
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[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24238 Posts
February 25 2021 15:05 GMT
#87
On February 26 2021 00:04 MarianoSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2021 23:57 Charoisaur wrote:
On February 25 2021 23:51 darklycid wrote:
On February 25 2021 23:50 Charoisaur wrote:
Roguejwa shows up?

Let's wait for his ZvPs

usually that's his best matchup


Usually. But he has been struggling a lot with it in the past couple of months.
Let's see if he made adjustments, it's his tournament after all so if he is truly in Roguejwa form we can expect him to easily advance here, smash at least Parting and Neeb and than give us another amazing finals by 4:0 Stats or Zest

yeah he wasn't too convincing vP in the last months but rumour has it that he's in amazing form even in that mu. Playing vs Stats will be a great revealer, I can't wait
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
February 25 2021 15:08 GMT
#88
On February 26 2021 00:05 darklycid wrote:
Terrans already talking up 2019 and bad performance while almost half of the ro12 players are terran, never change guys

In fairness there was a guaranteed terran advancement from groups A and B and in group B Terrans finished 3rd-6th after the two Zergs. You can make an argument that Solar was a hail mary nuke away from advancing from A as well.

I'm not saying ZvT is imba or whatever other people are but like yeah a lot of Terrans advanced from the first two groups 8/12 players were Terran
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Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-02-25 15:13:03
February 25 2021 15:12 GMT
#89
On February 26 2021 00:05 Darkhorse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2021 23:58 Fango wrote:
On February 25 2021 23:52 Darkhorse wrote:
On February 25 2021 23:49 Fango wrote:
On February 25 2021 23:40 Darkhorse wrote:
On February 25 2021 23:32 Fango wrote:
On February 25 2021 23:27 Darkhorse wrote:
On February 25 2021 23:26 Fango wrote:
Another edition of Stats being consistently great in the big events despite the community believing someone else is the best protoss for some reason?

Are you implying that there wasn't a valid reason for people to think Trap was the best

Yeah, Zest and Stats have always performed better at the big events. Seeing Trap finally winning is great but at Katowice it's usually the same players who step up.

I mean you're really working that 20/20 hindsight but I dunno how we're supposed to just ignore the state of Protoss over the last four months and guess that whoever did better at last Katowice is the best. And by that logic we should also have been really hyping sOs I guess

sOs hasn't been a big game player since HotS. Stats has been for all of LotV, Trap hasn't ever.

Doing well under pressure and when it matters is different to just being a good player. I felt the same way about Cure last year. He had the hype but didn't "feel" like one of those champions.

are we just pretending that GSL Super Tournaments are tiny tournaments? Especially considering those were in studio and this is online

Would you have had Zoun as the favourite if he managed to win Super Tournament? It was within his grasp.

Katowice is weird. It's always whoever steps up at the time that does well. Some players have a history of doing that, some don't.

If Zoun had won Super Tournament 2 last year, DH Last Chance, and the first Super Tournament this year within the span of a few months I would have possibly considered him the best protoss player oh and if he also finished second at the Summer and Fall finals this year.

Meanwhile Zest hasn't won a premier since 2016 and Stats hasn't since 2019 (although if we're eliminating things like Assembly or Super Tournaments that goes back to 2017) So yeah hindsight 20/20 har har Trap lost yesterday. Doesn't mean it wasn't a valid thought pre tournament Trap had a bad day.

Trap was absolutely playing the best out of all of them in the last 6 months or so. I'm not denying that.

But he doesn't have the same ceiling as Stats or even Zest. I didn't expect him to go out last in his group, but I didn't expect him to step up and win the tournament either. I would have had Stats ahead of him, along with the recent world champions (serral, dark, rogue) even if none of them had won anything in recent months.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3541 Posts
February 25 2021 15:13 GMT
#90
On February 26 2021 00:08 Darkhorse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2021 00:05 darklycid wrote:
Terrans already talking up 2019 and bad performance while almost half of the ro12 players are terran, never change guys

In fairness there was a guaranteed terran advancement from groups A and B and in group B Terrans finished 3rd-6th after the two Zergs. You can make an argument that Solar was a hail mary nuke away from advancing from A as well.

I'm not saying ZvT is imba or whatever other people are but like yeah a lot of Terrans advanced from the first two groups 8/12 players were Terran

Yeah but this was also enabled by 11 ppl out of 24 in the group stages being terran which also doesn't support a terran = bad narrative, i'm sure there are points to critisize about every mu but so far the tvzs were mostly won by the expected (better) player so dunno if you can already talk about it being too zerg favored or anything.
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
February 25 2021 15:14 GMT
#91
On February 26 2021 00:05 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2021 00:04 MarianoSC2 wrote:
On February 25 2021 23:57 Charoisaur wrote:
On February 25 2021 23:51 darklycid wrote:
On February 25 2021 23:50 Charoisaur wrote:
Roguejwa shows up?

Let's wait for his ZvPs

usually that's his best matchup


Usually. But he has been struggling a lot with it in the past couple of months.
Let's see if he made adjustments, it's his tournament after all so if he is truly in Roguejwa form we can expect him to easily advance here, smash at least Parting and Neeb and than give us another amazing finals by 4:0 Stats or Zest

yeah he wasn't too convincing vP in the last months but rumour has it that he's in amazing form even in that mu. Playing vs Stats will be a great revealer, I can't wait

Rogue is annoying. He can play like garbage for the whole year then win 4-0 against protoss in the finals if he decides to.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16062 Posts
February 25 2021 15:17 GMT
#92
On February 26 2021 00:13 darklycid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2021 00:08 Darkhorse wrote:
On February 26 2021 00:05 darklycid wrote:
Terrans already talking up 2019 and bad performance while almost half of the ro12 players are terran, never change guys

In fairness there was a guaranteed terran advancement from groups A and B and in group B Terrans finished 3rd-6th after the two Zergs. You can make an argument that Solar was a hail mary nuke away from advancing from A as well.

I'm not saying ZvT is imba or whatever other people are but like yeah a lot of Terrans advanced from the first two groups 8/12 players were Terran

Yeah but this was also enabled by 11 ppl out of 24 in the group stages being terran which also doesn't support a terran = bad narrative, i'm sure there are points to critisize about every mu but so far the tvzs were mostly won by the expected (better) player so dunno if you can already talk about it being too zerg favored or anything.

yeah it just seems the top ZvTers are really hard to beat... but let's wait how Maru/TY do against them.


Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
ShAd_1337
Profile Joined January 2016
Germany1042 Posts
February 25 2021 15:17 GMT
#93
imagine not showing Rogue vs Stats on main stream
I like Dark
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
February 25 2021 15:17 GMT
#94
Let's go Ragnarok WoL never die
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33592 Posts
February 25 2021 15:19 GMT
#95
On February 26 2021 00:17 ShAd_1337 wrote:
imagine not showing Rogue vs Stats on main stream


Rotterdam's life work to try and make ppl care about PvP
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
February 25 2021 15:19 GMT
#96
?!?????!!!!!!
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Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
February 25 2021 15:19 GMT
#97
Ragnarok nooooo what the fuck?
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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16062 Posts
February 25 2021 15:20 GMT
#98
when I see Rogue playing Ling Bane I get flashbacks of him suiciding mass Ultras into Neebs meatgrinder
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
atrox_
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom1711 Posts
February 25 2021 15:20 GMT
#99
lmao what was that gg
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24238 Posts
February 25 2021 15:20 GMT
#100
IdrA gg from Ragnarok ? I wasn't watching
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