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egrimm
Profile Joined September 2011
Poland1199 Posts
February 25 2021 19:16 GMT
#461
Didn't Serral went 8-0 against Terran in the group whereas Clem lost his only TvZ 1-2 against Solar who didn't get out of the group?
sOs TY PartinG
dysenterymd
Profile Joined January 2019
1250 Posts
February 25 2021 19:17 GMT
#462
Clem beating Serral is definitely plausible, but Serral is favored by a decent bit.
Serral | Inno | sOs | soO | Has | Classic
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
February 25 2021 19:17 GMT
#463
On February 26 2021 04:15 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2021 04:13 Fango wrote:
On February 26 2021 04:11 Elentos wrote:
On February 26 2021 04:10 Fango wrote:
On February 26 2021 04:08 dysenterymd wrote:
Great bracket for Serral, no Zerg until the finals. Still won't be easy of course.

Yeah literally every threat to Serral (Stats, Reynor, Maru, Rogue, Dark) is on the other side of the bracket.

I dunno why you would mention Stats and Maru as threats but not Zest or Clem

You'd take Zest and Clem over Stats and Maru?

Personally I'd bet on Serral to beat any T or P but if any of them could beat him it would be those two (now that Trap is out).
Zest is clearly better than Stats atm (outside of PvP) and between Clem and Maru at least Clem-Serral is on even ping.

Maybe Zest has some snipe builds like last year. I can't see Serral losing to a terran unless they go god mode, which we know Maru can do but I'm not sure for Clem.

The top 3 threats (and in my mind the real ones) to Serral were Reynor, Dark, and Rogue anyway. And all three of them are on the other side.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
February 25 2021 19:17 GMT
#464
On February 26 2021 04:16 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2021 04:14 Poopi wrote:
Why people think this is easy for Serral?
Clem is probably feeling great since he can beat any zerg in the world when the ping is low, I'd say it's 60-40 for Clem, Serral is probably out in ro12...

I see Clem beating Serral, getting mauled by Zest who then beats TY in a rather close match and loses 4-1 to whichever Zerg won the other side of the bracket


Sounds about right.
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
Morbidius
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil3449 Posts
February 25 2021 19:18 GMT
#465
On February 26 2021 04:14 Poopi wrote:
Why people think this is easy for Serral?
Clem is probably feeling great since he can beat any zerg in the world when the ping is low, I'd say it's 60-40 for Clem, Serral is probably out in ro12...

Its not easy, Clem has proven he can beat him consistently and Zest is on fire.
Has foreign StarCraft hit rock bottom?
egrimm
Profile Joined September 2011
Poland1199 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-02-25 19:18:30
February 25 2021 19:18 GMT
#466
On February 26 2021 04:17 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2021 04:15 Elentos wrote:
On February 26 2021 04:13 Fango wrote:
On February 26 2021 04:11 Elentos wrote:
On February 26 2021 04:10 Fango wrote:
On February 26 2021 04:08 dysenterymd wrote:
Great bracket for Serral, no Zerg until the finals. Still won't be easy of course.

Yeah literally every threat to Serral (Stats, Reynor, Maru, Rogue, Dark) is on the other side of the bracket.

I dunno why you would mention Stats and Maru as threats but not Zest or Clem

You'd take Zest and Clem over Stats and Maru?

Personally I'd bet on Serral to beat any T or P but if any of them could beat him it would be those two (now that Trap is out).
Zest is clearly better than Stats atm (outside of PvP) and between Clem and Maru at least Clem-Serral is on even ping.

Maybe Zest has some snipe builds like last year. I can't see Serral losing to a terran unless they go god mode, which we know Maru can do but I'm not sure for Clem.

The top 3 threats (and in my mind the real ones) to Serral were Reynor, Dark, and Rogue anyway. And all three of them are on the other side.


My thoughts exactly
sOs TY PartinG
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55566 Posts
February 25 2021 19:18 GMT
#467
On February 26 2021 04:16 egrimm wrote:
Didn't Serral went 8-0 against Terran in the group whereas Clem lost his only TvZ 1-2 against Solar who didn't get out of the group?

To add perspective though Solar also beat ByuN and should have beaten Maru and 3 of the Terrans Serral beat haven't been as good as Clem at any point in their life
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
February 25 2021 19:18 GMT
#468
On February 26 2021 04:16 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2021 04:14 Poopi wrote:
Why people think this is easy for Serral?
Clem is probably feeling great since he can beat any zerg in the world when the ping is low, I'd say it's 60-40 for Clem, Serral is probably out in ro12...

I see Clem beating Serral (and everyone in France goes crazy, OG casters lose it etc) only to then getting mauled by Zest who then beats TY in a rather close match and loses 4-1 to whichever Zerg won the other side of the bracket

Katowice being Katowice, this is probably the most likely outcome
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13322 Posts
February 25 2021 19:19 GMT
#469
On February 26 2021 04:18 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2021 04:16 egrimm wrote:
Didn't Serral went 8-0 against Terran in the group whereas Clem lost his only TvZ 1-2 against Solar who didn't get out of the group?

To add perspective though Solar also beat ByuN and should have beaten Maru and 3 of the Terrans Serral beat haven't been as good as Clem at any point in their life

That's a bit disrespectful to Innovation man
BUNNYYYYYYYYY https://i.imgur.com/BiCF577.png
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55566 Posts
February 25 2021 19:19 GMT
#470
On February 26 2021 04:17 sneakyfox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2021 04:16 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On February 26 2021 04:14 Poopi wrote:
Why people think this is easy for Serral?
Clem is probably feeling great since he can beat any zerg in the world when the ping is low, I'd say it's 60-40 for Clem, Serral is probably out in ro12...

I see Clem beating Serral, getting mauled by Zest who then beats TY in a rather close match and loses 4-1 to whichever Zerg won the other side of the bracket


Sounds about right.

Except the part where Zest vs TY is close.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24238 Posts
February 25 2021 19:20 GMT
#471
On February 26 2021 04:19 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2021 04:17 sneakyfox wrote:
On February 26 2021 04:16 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On February 26 2021 04:14 Poopi wrote:
Why people think this is easy for Serral?
Clem is probably feeling great since he can beat any zerg in the world when the ping is low, I'd say it's 60-40 for Clem, Serral is probably out in ro12...

I see Clem beating Serral, getting mauled by Zest who then beats TY in a rather close match and loses 4-1 to whichever Zerg won the other side of the bracket


Sounds about right.

Except the part where Zest vs TY is close.

hahaha

felt the need to add something not too predictable
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24238 Posts
February 25 2021 19:22 GMT
#472
anyway except Maru - Heromarine (and let's be real, I wouldn't have been too excited about any of the possible Gabe matches) this should be a really fun day tomorrow. Can't wait for EU to be in shambles after both Reynor and Serral are out in the ro12 haha

See you tomorrow guys
dysenterymd
Profile Joined January 2019
1250 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-02-25 19:24:33
February 25 2021 19:23 GMT
#473
Stats 3-1 Reynor
Maru 3-0 Gabe
Parting 3-1 Inno
Serral 3-1 Clem

Stats 3-2 Dark
Rogue 3-0 Maru
TY 3-1 Parting
Serral 3-2 Zest

Rogue 3-0 Stats
Serral 3-0 TY

Serral 4-3 Rogue

(I could be completely wrong this is one of the hardest brackets in a long time and predicting Serral over any top zerg is generous)

Serral | Inno | sOs | soO | Has | Classic
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55566 Posts
February 25 2021 19:23 GMT
#474
On February 26 2021 04:17 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2021 04:15 Elentos wrote:
On February 26 2021 04:13 Fango wrote:
On February 26 2021 04:11 Elentos wrote:
On February 26 2021 04:10 Fango wrote:
On February 26 2021 04:08 dysenterymd wrote:
Great bracket for Serral, no Zerg until the finals. Still won't be easy of course.

Yeah literally every threat to Serral (Stats, Reynor, Maru, Rogue, Dark) is on the other side of the bracket.

I dunno why you would mention Stats and Maru as threats but not Zest or Clem

You'd take Zest and Clem over Stats and Maru?

Personally I'd bet on Serral to beat any T or P but if any of them could beat him it would be those two (now that Trap is out).
Zest is clearly better than Stats atm (outside of PvP) and between Clem and Maru at least Clem-Serral is on even ping.

Maybe Zest has some snipe builds like last year. I can't see Serral losing to a terran unless they go god mode, which we know Maru can do but I'm not sure for Clem.

The top 3 threats (and in my mind the real ones) to Serral were Reynor, Dark, and Rogue anyway. And all three of them are on the other side.

I'm not sure about calling them snipe builds. I mean he beat 4 Zergs in the group stage with his adepts and still managed to win 2 games with them against Serral.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
egrimm
Profile Joined September 2011
Poland1199 Posts
February 25 2021 19:23 GMT
#475
On February 26 2021 04:18 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2021 04:16 egrimm wrote:
Didn't Serral went 8-0 against Terran in the group whereas Clem lost his only TvZ 1-2 against Solar who didn't get out of the group?

To add perspective though Solar also beat ByuN and should have beaten Maru and 3 of the Terrans Serral beat haven't been as good as Clem at any point in their life

Fair enough, haven't seen Group A unfortunately.
Hopefully all the matches will be close and entertaining but I still think that it's gonna be Dark/Rogue vs Serral
sOs TY PartinG
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
February 25 2021 19:24 GMT
#476
On February 26 2021 04:23 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2021 04:17 Fango wrote:
On February 26 2021 04:15 Elentos wrote:
On February 26 2021 04:13 Fango wrote:
On February 26 2021 04:11 Elentos wrote:
On February 26 2021 04:10 Fango wrote:
On February 26 2021 04:08 dysenterymd wrote:
Great bracket for Serral, no Zerg until the finals. Still won't be easy of course.

Yeah literally every threat to Serral (Stats, Reynor, Maru, Rogue, Dark) is on the other side of the bracket.

I dunno why you would mention Stats and Maru as threats but not Zest or Clem

You'd take Zest and Clem over Stats and Maru?

Personally I'd bet on Serral to beat any T or P but if any of them could beat him it would be those two (now that Trap is out).
Zest is clearly better than Stats atm (outside of PvP) and between Clem and Maru at least Clem-Serral is on even ping.

Maybe Zest has some snipe builds like last year. I can't see Serral losing to a terran unless they go god mode, which we know Maru can do but I'm not sure for Clem.

The top 3 threats (and in my mind the real ones) to Serral were Reynor, Dark, and Rogue anyway. And all three of them are on the other side.

I'm not sure about calling them snipe builds. I mean he beat 4 Zergs in the group stage with his adepts and still managed to win 2 games with them against Serral.

I just remember him trying the same stuff against Rogue in the finals and getting demolished.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55566 Posts
February 25 2021 19:24 GMT
#477
On February 26 2021 04:23 egrimm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2021 04:18 Elentos wrote:
On February 26 2021 04:16 egrimm wrote:
Didn't Serral went 8-0 against Terran in the group whereas Clem lost his only TvZ 1-2 against Solar who didn't get out of the group?

To add perspective though Solar also beat ByuN and should have beaten Maru and 3 of the Terrans Serral beat haven't been as good as Clem at any point in their life

Fair enough, haven't seen Group A unfortunately.
Hopefully all the matches will be close and entertaining but I still think that it's gonna be Dark/Rogue vs Serral

Oh you have to watch the first game of Maru vs Solar most definitely. One for the ages.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Morbidius
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil3449 Posts
February 25 2021 19:25 GMT
#478
On February 26 2021 04:19 Durnuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2021 04:18 Elentos wrote:
On February 26 2021 04:16 egrimm wrote:
Didn't Serral went 8-0 against Terran in the group whereas Clem lost his only TvZ 1-2 against Solar who didn't get out of the group?

To add perspective though Solar also beat ByuN and should have beaten Maru and 3 of the Terrans Serral beat haven't been as good as Clem at any point in their life

That's a bit disrespectful to Innovation man

He said 3, meaning Special, Bunny and TIME.
Has foreign StarCraft hit rock bottom?
egrimm
Profile Joined September 2011
Poland1199 Posts
February 25 2021 19:25 GMT
#479
On February 26 2021 04:24 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2021 04:23 egrimm wrote:
On February 26 2021 04:18 Elentos wrote:
On February 26 2021 04:16 egrimm wrote:
Didn't Serral went 8-0 against Terran in the group whereas Clem lost his only TvZ 1-2 against Solar who didn't get out of the group?

To add perspective though Solar also beat ByuN and should have beaten Maru and 3 of the Terrans Serral beat haven't been as good as Clem at any point in their life

Fair enough, haven't seen Group A unfortunately.
Hopefully all the matches will be close and entertaining but I still think that it's gonna be Dark/Rogue vs Serral

Oh you have to watch the first game of Maru vs Solar most definitely. One for the ages.

Will do then, thx mate!
sOs TY PartinG
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55566 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-02-25 19:26:33
February 25 2021 19:26 GMT
#480
On February 26 2021 04:24 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2021 04:23 Elentos wrote:
On February 26 2021 04:17 Fango wrote:
On February 26 2021 04:15 Elentos wrote:
On February 26 2021 04:13 Fango wrote:
On February 26 2021 04:11 Elentos wrote:
On February 26 2021 04:10 Fango wrote:
On February 26 2021 04:08 dysenterymd wrote:
Great bracket for Serral, no Zerg until the finals. Still won't be easy of course.

Yeah literally every threat to Serral (Stats, Reynor, Maru, Rogue, Dark) is on the other side of the bracket.

I dunno why you would mention Stats and Maru as threats but not Zest or Clem

You'd take Zest and Clem over Stats and Maru?

Personally I'd bet on Serral to beat any T or P but if any of them could beat him it would be those two (now that Trap is out).
Zest is clearly better than Stats atm (outside of PvP) and between Clem and Maru at least Clem-Serral is on even ping.

Maybe Zest has some snipe builds like last year. I can't see Serral losing to a terran unless they go god mode, which we know Maru can do but I'm not sure for Clem.

The top 3 threats (and in my mind the real ones) to Serral were Reynor, Dark, and Rogue anyway. And all three of them are on the other side.

I'm not sure about calling them snipe builds. I mean he beat 4 Zergs in the group stage with his adepts and still managed to win 2 games with them against Serral.

I just remember him trying the same stuff against Rogue in the finals and getting demolished.

Rogue also had first-hand experience from the group stage and 8 other successful adept games to look at before he decided to all-in before glaives every game
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