ByuN in group A like predicted? Is this a fucking joke? Fuck that -_- At least it's online ByuN with less wrist problems. Hopefully Maru's shoulder injury is better so he can win the whole thing / get out of groups...
What matches from day 1 and 2 will you recommend? I am pretty off meta, so it could be nice to see some very meta defining games and I would prefer games with some of those who has advanced to RO 24 participate in
On February 22 2021 05:11 ballehatten wrote: What matches from day 1 and 2 will you recommend? I am pretty off meta, so it could be nice to see some very meta defining games and I would prefer games with some of those who has advanced to RO 24 participate in
On February 22 2021 05:11 ballehatten wrote: What matches from day 1 and 2 will you recommend? I am pretty off meta, so it could be nice to see some very meta defining games and I would prefer games with some of those who has advanced to RO 24 participate in
Dream vs sos games 3+4 were pretty good. Bunny vs ragnarok was fairly entertaining along with Bunny vs Elazer. With the exception of a few early day one most of the games were at least pretty good
On February 22 2021 05:11 ballehatten wrote: What matches from day 1 and 2 will you recommend? I am pretty off meta, so it could be nice to see some very meta defining games and I would prefer games with some of those who has advanced to RO 24 participate in
Dream vs sos games 3+4 were pretty good. Bunny vs ragnarok was fairly entertaining along with Bunny vs Elazer. With the exception of a few early day one most of the games were at least pretty good
Don't know about recommending sOs games when someone wants to learn more about the meta
On February 22 2021 05:11 ballehatten wrote: What matches from day 1 and 2 will you recommend? I am pretty off meta, so it could be nice to see some very meta defining games and I would prefer games with some of those who has advanced to RO 24 participate in
Dream vs sos games 3+4 were pretty good. Bunny vs ragnarok was fairly entertaining along with Bunny vs Elazer. With the exception of a few early day one most of the games were at least pretty good
Don't know about recommending sOs games when someone wants to learn more about the meta
definitely agree, especially with the style he played today. I'm pretty sure this won't become meta . Still, the series were interesting and I can recommend them
On February 22 2021 05:11 ballehatten wrote: What matches from day 1 and 2 will you recommend? I am pretty off meta, so it could be nice to see some very meta defining games and I would prefer games with some of those who has advanced to RO 24 participate in
Dream vs sos games 3+4 were pretty good. Bunny vs ragnarok was fairly entertaining along with Bunny vs Elazer. With the exception of a few early day one most of the games were at least pretty good
Don't know about recommending sOs games when someone wants to learn more about the meta
definitely agree, especially with the style he played today. I'm pretty sure this won't become meta . Still, the series were interesting and I can recommend them
It's hard to say how potentially meta defining sOs's strategies are when he plays so sloppily... the heavy colossus looked promising against Dream for example, but he just got outplayed hard.
The great Terran genocide. The big question in this group is Maru's current state... I don't see TY failing in a TvT group. I can see Solar sneaking into the RO12, but Showtime will never get past a group of Korean Terrans.
Group A is an absolute treat for us fans. My only hope is that Showtime has one if his perfect days on which he is capable of delivering major upsets. Cant wait!
I gotta say the fact that Byun has completely forgotten upgrades in multiple games this tournament already is pretty sad
Also it has to be said that both against Dream and Maru the fact that Byun opts to go incredibly raven and viking light came back to bite him. I get not wanting to overinvest in air but air superiority is amazing in those marine tank fights especially because your ravens can get close enough to matrix their tanks and theirs can't. But I don't really expect Byun to change haha
On February 23 2021 00:07 Zergiica wrote: great. biggest tournament and they have three games in the same time. can't understand sc2 way of production/promotion etc. i am always surprised.
and long pauses after everything <3
It's to ensure there is no collusion since it's round robin, same as with World cup matches for example.
I don't think ByuN's TvT style necessarily has a ceiling. He's beat great players (including Maru)by forcing Marine-Tank down their throats. Sword and shield are equally matched imo, just an issue of who plays better on the day.
On February 23 2021 00:04 Darkhorse wrote: I gotta say the fact that Byun has completely forgotten upgrades in multiple games this tournament already is pretty sad
Also it has to be said that both against Dream and Maru the fact that Byun opts to go incredibly raven and viking light came back to bite him. I get not wanting to overinvest in air but air superiority is amazing in those marine tank fights especially because your ravens can get close enough to matrix their tanks and theirs can't. But I don't really expect Byun to change haha
that basically summarizes byun right? low tech army whole game but gets wins cuz of small victories and efficient micro
On February 23 2021 00:09 Waxangel wrote: I don't think ByuN's TvT style necessarily has a ceiling. He's beat great players (including Maru)by forcing Marine-Tank down their throats. Sword and shield are equally matched imo, just an issue of who plays better on the day.
Maru vs TY is shield vs shield tho
I'm not saying it can't beat the best on the day if you have better army movement/positioning/macro/harassment but I do think he could make things easier on himself if he didn't concede the air from the start. Not that Byun is one to make things easier on himself
On February 23 2021 00:07 Zergiica wrote: great. biggest tournament and they have three games in the same time. can't understand sc2 way of production/promotion etc. i am always surprised.
and long pauses after everything <3
It's to ensure there is no collusion since it's round robin, same as with World cup matches for example.
it goes like that for last game only. first two rounds are in different times.
On February 23 2021 00:07 Zergiica wrote: great. biggest tournament and they have three games in the same time. can't understand sc2 way of production/promotion etc. i am always surprised.
and long pauses after everything <3
It's to ensure there is no collusion since it's round robin, same as with World cup matches for example.
it goes like that for last game only. first two rounds are in different times.
it's all about logistical constraints vs having a good format
IEM has always been a live event that only has a given venue for a certain # hours over a certain # of days, so it's virtually impossible for them to show all round-robin matches on one stream. Players really prefer playing comprehensive round robins, so side streams is the compromise everyone reached.
On February 23 2021 00:07 Zergiica wrote: great. biggest tournament and they have three games in the same time. can't understand sc2 way of production/promotion etc. i am always surprised.
and long pauses after everything <3
It's to ensure there is no collusion since it's round robin, same as with World cup matches for example.
it goes like that for last game only. first two rounds are in different times.
Oh, ok didn't know that, in any case they said that's what they said on the B stream (the collusion thing, not the WC thing)
Hey IEM production crew, if you’re reading this: I really like the virtual commentator desks and player cams. This is the best-produced online tournament I have watched.
On February 23 2021 00:07 Zergiica wrote: great. biggest tournament and they have three games in the same time. can't understand sc2 way of production/promotion etc. i am always surprised.
and long pauses after everything <3
What's your proposal then? The group stage has 60 Bo3s to run. Each Bo3 is roughly an hour. One stream would take eight eight-hour days just for the group stages, not to mention the DE Ro36 and the SE Playoffs.
In addition, in a round-robin play, collusion is a real concern. Not that IEM thinks any players are dumb enough to throw a match for a friend, but it's best practice to structure things so as to remove any doubt. This is reason other minor sporting events like the World Cup have a very similar structure.
You can still catch all the action on the free VoDs. You can still multistream to catch as much action live as you can. IEM is using a tested, proven tournament structure with the fewest drawbacks. Think before you post.
On February 23 2021 00:31 Weavel wrote: I really dislike the overuse of wider camera in the b stream. Everything looks tiny.
I love using Zoomout for bigger coverage of fights. We have the tools to see the whole battlefield, so why deny the spectators information? But I understand it's not everyone's cup of tea, and I appreciate the feedback. Will mix things up a bit more, but don't expect too many changes. <3
On February 23 2021 00:31 Weavel wrote: I really dislike the overuse of wider camera in the b stream. Everything looks tiny.
I love using Zoomout for bigger coverage of fights. We have the tools to see the whole battlefield, so why deny the spectators information? But I understand it's not everyone's cup of tea, and I appreciate the feedback. Will mix things up a bit more, but don't expect too many changes. <3
It's great on massive fights but using it always makes everything tiny and slow. I dislike it on aoe2 and bw too.
On February 23 2021 00:31 Weavel wrote: I really dislike the overuse of wider camera in the b stream. Everything looks tiny.
I love using Zoomout for bigger coverage of fights. We have the tools to see the whole battlefield, so why deny the spectators information? But I understand it's not everyone's cup of tea, and I appreciate the feedback. Will mix things up a bit more, but don't expect too many changes. <3
It's great on massive fights but using it always makes everything tiny and slow. I dislike it on aoe2 and bw too.
if there was a B-stream that's just a giant fullscreen of the minimap, I'd put it on
On February 23 2021 00:31 Weavel wrote: I really dislike the overuse of wider camera in the b stream. Everything looks tiny.
I love using Zoomout for bigger coverage of fights. We have the tools to see the whole battlefield, so why deny the spectators information? But I understand it's not everyone's cup of tea, and I appreciate the feedback. Will mix things up a bit more, but don't expect too many changes. <3
It's great on massive fights but using it always makes everything tiny and slow. I dislike it on aoe2 and bw too.
if there was a B-stream that's just a giant fullscreen of the minimap, I'd put it on
On February 23 2021 00:31 Weavel wrote: I really dislike the overuse of wider camera in the b stream. Everything looks tiny.
I love using Zoomout for bigger coverage of fights. We have the tools to see the whole battlefield, so why deny the spectators information? But I understand it's not everyone's cup of tea, and I appreciate the feedback. Will mix things up a bit more, but don't expect too many changes. <3
I like it when it’s used judiciously, to give an idea of where everything is.
When it’s overused I think it can create a bit of a disconnect with what the players can see and what we can see that can kill the drama a bit.
Super Tournament finals for example (my memory is fading with age, the players roles may be reversed) I think it was Zoun sneaking disruptors behind Trap’s army and the observer basically only showed them slightly before Trap got hit by them. Which was a cool bit of drama where the flank bamboozled the viewers almost as much as it did Trap.
If everything was zoomed we’d have lost the element of surprise that made the moment so intense, it would have been ‘oh he’s going for a flank, this is probably going to work’ way before the fact. Still exciting but not as fun.
On the flip side from tuning in to many of your streams I don’t recall it being something you overdo, plus having done it myself it’s really tricky to observe, cast and do both well simultaneously!
On February 23 2021 00:31 Weavel wrote: I really dislike the overuse of wider camera in the b stream. Everything looks tiny.
I love using Zoomout for bigger coverage of fights. We have the tools to see the whole battlefield, so why deny the spectators information? But I understand it's not everyone's cup of tea, and I appreciate the feedback. Will mix things up a bit more, but don't expect too many changes. <3
I like it when it’s used judiciously, to give an idea of where everything is.
When it’s overused I think it can create a bit of a disconnect with what the players can see and what we can see that can kill the drama a bit.
Super Tournament finals for example (my memory is fading with age, the players roles may be reversed) I think it was Zoun sneaking disruptors behind Trap’s army and the observer basically only showed them slightly before Trap got hit by them. Which was a cool bit of drama where the flank bamboozled the viewers almost as much as it did Trap.
If everything was zoomed we’d have lost the element of surprise that made the moment so intense, it would have been ‘oh he’s going for a flank, this is probably going to work’ way before the fact. Still exciting but not as fun.
On the flip side from tuning in to many of your streams I don’t recall it being something you overdo, plus having done it myself it’s really tricky to observe, cast and do both well simultaneously!
See I have to disagree. I personally don't like when info I could have is withheld. I'd like to see as much as possible and draw my own conclusions
So I appreciate the wide shots for the most part unless it is super overused which I didn't particularly notice from the B stream
On February 23 2021 00:53 WombaT wrote: Super Tournament finals for example (my memory is fading with age, the players roles may be reversed) I think it was Zoun sneaking disruptors behind Trap’s army and the observer basically only showed them slightly before Trap got hit by them. Which was a cool bit of drama where the flank bamboozled the viewers almost as much as it did Trap.
And there's the problem. If I miss ANY action like that, chat goes BANANAS about me being a s*** observer. How could you not see that coming? Look at the minimap, you moron. Obs is residentsleeper.
Obviously it creates kind of cool moments, but most Starcraft viewers prioritize perfect information during a cast over everything else, so a good observer has to try to provide an experience which matches the audience expectations (while also naturally following and leading the caster's commentary which is a WHOLE NOTHER THING).
Anyway, we're off track from the original thread, so I won't respond to any more of these, but man, obsing, like casting, is really easy to complain about and very difficult to do well. I'm feeling in the groove today though, and proud of what I'm doing.
On February 23 2021 00:54 Crocolisk Dundee wrote: How is Maru hanging on against TY on Jagannatha? This is incredible!
2020/2021 vintage Maru is a strange creature who I find looks scarier in games he ultimately loses quite frequently. His ability to cling on like a limpet in TvT and get stuff done from huge deficits is amazing
Well Maru only got back in the game because TY got cocky and tried to take that fight in the middle of the map, and Maru could then chop away at TY's forces all the way to the natural.
Other than that, it was TY all the way. Great finish as well.
On February 23 2021 00:53 WombaT wrote: Super Tournament finals for example (my memory is fading with age, the players roles may be reversed) I think it was Zoun sneaking disruptors behind Trap’s army and the observer basically only showed them slightly before Trap got hit by them. Which was a cool bit of drama where the flank bamboozled the viewers almost as much as it did Trap.
And there's the problem. If I miss ANY action like that, chat goes BANANAS about me being a s*** observer. How could you not see that coming? Look at the minimap, you moron. Obs is residentsleeper.
Obviously it creates kind of cool moments, but most Starcraft viewers prioritize perfect information during a cast over everything else, so a good observer has to try to provide an experience which matches the audience expectations (while also naturally following and leading the caster's commentary which is a WHOLE NOTHER THING).
Anyway, we're off track from the original thread, so I won't respond to any more of these, but man, obsing, like casting, is really easy to complain about and very difficult to do well. I'm feeling in the groove today though, and proud of what I'm doing.
Most vocal ones, probably why I don’t dip my toes in Twitch chat much it’s just constant complaining. If I hadn’t played so much and watched so much SC over the years I’d probably favour more intel, but it gets to the stage where some games are really predictable when you can see both players’ cards and the artificial lack of information can keep things more interesting.
Still think you’re doing a great job man and been a fan of your content in SC pretty much since you started so keep it up! I once missed a cannon rush when I was solo casting and my intro overran so you’re doing considerably better than me. Keep up the good work
On February 23 2021 01:01 sneakyfox wrote: Well Maru only got back in the game because TY got cocky and tried to take that fight in the middle of the map, and Maru could then chop away at TY's forces all the way to the natural.
Other than that, it was TY all the way. Great finish as well.
Yeah TY yolo'ed a little there in the mid, felt scary for a little there, if he'd lost his production, thats a gg. Awesome game
On February 23 2021 00:31 Weavel wrote: I really dislike the overuse of wider camera in the b stream. Everything looks tiny.
I love using Zoomout for bigger coverage of fights. We have the tools to see the whole battlefield, so why deny the spectators information? But I understand it's not everyone's cup of tea, and I appreciate the feedback. Will mix things up a bit more, but don't expect too many changes. <3
I like it when it’s used judiciously, to give an idea of where everything is.
When it’s overused I think it can create a bit of a disconnect with what the players can see and what we can see that can kill the drama a bit.
Super Tournament finals for example (my memory is fading with age, the players roles may be reversed) I think it was Zoun sneaking disruptors behind Trap’s army and the observer basically only showed them slightly before Trap got hit by them. Which was a cool bit of drama where the flank bamboozled the viewers almost as much as it did Trap.
If everything was zoomed we’d have lost the element of surprise that made the moment so intense, it would have been ‘oh he’s going for a flank, this is probably going to work’ way before the fact. Still exciting but not as fun.
On the flip side from tuning in to many of your streams I don’t recall it being something you overdo, plus having done it myself it’s really tricky to observe, cast and do both well simultaneously!
See I have to disagree. I personally don't like when info I could have is withheld. I'd like to see as much as possible and draw my own conclusions
So I appreciate the wide shots for the most part unless it is super overused which I didn't particularly notice from the B stream
I guess it’s a preference thing and it’s kind of innately impossible to appeal to both camps, I wonder what the breakdown of each preference is though.
Poll: In an ideal world, would you tend towards these as a preference
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I’d seen someone link some multi stream link thing on day 1, but wasn’t on my desktop like I’ll be later, anyone able to link if they know what I’m talking about?
On February 23 2021 01:26 WombaT wrote: I’d seen someone link some multi stream link thing on day 1, but wasn’t on my desktop like I’ll be later, anyone able to link if they know what I’m talking about?
On February 23 2021 00:31 Weavel wrote: I really dislike the overuse of wider camera in the b stream. Everything looks tiny.
I love using Zoomout for bigger coverage of fights. We have the tools to see the whole battlefield, so why deny the spectators information? But I understand it's not everyone's cup of tea, and I appreciate the feedback. Will mix things up a bit more, but don't expect too many changes. <3
I like it when it’s used judiciously, to give an idea of where everything is.
When it’s overused I think it can create a bit of a disconnect with what the players can see and what we can see that can kill the drama a bit.
Super Tournament finals for example (my memory is fading with age, the players roles may be reversed) I think it was Zoun sneaking disruptors behind Trap’s army and the observer basically only showed them slightly before Trap got hit by them. Which was a cool bit of drama where the flank bamboozled the viewers almost as much as it did Trap.
If everything was zoomed we’d have lost the element of surprise that made the moment so intense, it would have been ‘oh he’s going for a flank, this is probably going to work’ way before the fact. Still exciting but not as fun.
On the flip side from tuning in to many of your streams I don’t recall it being something you overdo, plus having done it myself it’s really tricky to observe, cast and do both well simultaneously!
See I have to disagree. I personally don't like when info I could have is withheld. I'd like to see as much as possible and draw my own conclusions
So I appreciate the wide shots for the most part unless it is super overused which I didn't particularly notice from the B stream
I guess it’s a preference thing and it’s kind of innately impossible to appeal to both camps, I wonder what the breakdown of each preference is though.
Poll: In an ideal world, would you tend towards these as a preference
More information available to viewers (10)
71%
Less information available to viewers (4)
29%
14 total votes
Your vote: In an ideal world, would you tend towards these as a preference
(Vote): More information available to viewers (Vote): Less information available to viewers
I'm inclined to think this is a silly poll, but then I remember there are ppl who seriously think we should not have production tabs in SC2 because they belive that's what makes BW good (it's not)
On February 23 2021 01:34 Waxangel wrote: I remember there are ppl who seriously think we should not have production tabs in SC2 because they belive that's what makes BW good (it's not)
The best way to experience StarCraft is like we did it in the 1950s: via a commentator describing the game to us during a radio broadcast.
On February 23 2021 01:34 Waxangel wrote: I remember there are ppl who seriously think we should not have production tabs in SC2 because they belive that's what makes BW good (it's not)
The best way to experience StarCraft is like we did it in the 1950s: via a commentator describing the game to us during a radio broadcast.
On February 23 2021 00:31 Weavel wrote: I really dislike the overuse of wider camera in the b stream. Everything looks tiny.
I love using Zoomout for bigger coverage of fights. We have the tools to see the whole battlefield, so why deny the spectators information? But I understand it's not everyone's cup of tea, and I appreciate the feedback. Will mix things up a bit more, but don't expect too many changes. <3
I like it when it’s used judiciously, to give an idea of where everything is.
When it’s overused I think it can create a bit of a disconnect with what the players can see and what we can see that can kill the drama a bit.
Super Tournament finals for example (my memory is fading with age, the players roles may be reversed) I think it was Zoun sneaking disruptors behind Trap’s army and the observer basically only showed them slightly before Trap got hit by them. Which was a cool bit of drama where the flank bamboozled the viewers almost as much as it did Trap.
If everything was zoomed we’d have lost the element of surprise that made the moment so intense, it would have been ‘oh he’s going for a flank, this is probably going to work’ way before the fact. Still exciting but not as fun.
On the flip side from tuning in to many of your streams I don’t recall it being something you overdo, plus having done it myself it’s really tricky to observe, cast and do both well simultaneously!
See I have to disagree. I personally don't like when info I could have is withheld. I'd like to see as much as possible and draw my own conclusions
So I appreciate the wide shots for the most part unless it is super overused which I didn't particularly notice from the B stream
I guess it’s a preference thing and it’s kind of innately impossible to appeal to both camps, I wonder what the breakdown of each preference is though.
Poll: In an ideal world, would you tend towards these as a preference
More information available to viewers (10)
71%
Less information available to viewers (4)
29%
14 total votes
Your vote: In an ideal world, would you tend towards these as a preference
(Vote): More information available to viewers (Vote): Less information available to viewers
I'm inclined to think this is a silly poll, but then I remember there are ppl who seriously think we should not have production tabs in SC2 because they belive that's what makes BW good (it's not)
How very dare you, my polls aren’t silly just the majority of my posts.
On February 23 2021 01:47 Waxangel wrote: Pretty insane how Clem been showing improvement at almost every single tournament he's played in since Katowice 2020
If his all-round game and chops across all matchups have improved rather than him merely grinding TvT hard that’s absolutely terrifyingly for any Zergs he might encounter.
On February 23 2021 01:45 Topin wrote: woah Clem is on fire!
Yep! He's positioned to make some pretty serious upsets.
ur saying upsets but clem is actually the best player in the group
yea it was totally consensus before that clem is the clearly better player than maru, byun and TY
yes if u’ve been following sc2 closely. clem even beat serral and reynor multiple times recently and the only other terran that has done that ever is cure. everyone just assumes foreigners suck at TvT but that is false
On February 23 2021 02:04 Darkhorse wrote: The last two games Solar has played have both been hyper late game split maps. Gotta keep some gas in the tank Solar my guy
if you're not going to the ro12 at least get maximum stream exposure
On February 23 2021 02:04 Darkhorse wrote: The last two games Solar has played have both been hyper late game split maps. Gotta keep some gas in the tank Solar my guy
if you're not going to the ro12 at least get maximum stream exposure
If you're not going to advance, at least delay everyone else.
Tbh I thought terran was the forbidden race for foreigners, don't think we ever had one we could put as the favorite against the average Korean, nevermind the best ones.
Clem is the best today for sure, he's the future, the only problem is that in 2022 is the end of the esl contract and for sure korea will be totally dead, hope the foreign scene will continue so he can win a bunch of stuff !
I always felt like they do need to make it easier to see nukes... When theres a few going off at same time in late game you cant do anything but search for nukes for long period of times.
On February 23 2021 02:10 Elentos wrote: We've seen nukes like this in GSL (Maru even managed to hit his own army) so not like the time had anything to do with it.
Really? First time I see a nuke taking that many BL and infestors.
On February 23 2021 02:10 Elentos wrote: We've seen nukes like this in GSL (Maru even managed to hit his own army) so not like the time had anything to do with it.
Really? First time I see a nuke taking that many BL and infestors.
On February 23 2021 02:10 Elentos wrote: We've seen nukes like this in GSL (Maru even managed to hit his own army) so not like the time had anything to do with it.
Really? First time I see a nuke taking that many BL and infestors.
On February 23 2021 02:10 Elentos wrote: We've seen nukes like this in GSL (Maru even managed to hit his own army) so not like the time had anything to do with it.
Really? First time I see a nuke taking that many BL and infestors.
Sadly Solar doesn't have the big brain to know that after a game like that Maru is automatically gonna proxy. Some Zergs would have gotten a build order win here.
you can see how solar actually kill the ghost at the end, ovies were a pixel or two off till the end, also worth noting there was another nuke in a random place too
On February 23 2021 02:15 Elentos wrote: Sadly Solar doesn't have the big brain to know that after a game like that Maru is automatically gonna proxy. Some Zergs would have gotten a build order win here.
What do you mean "after a game like that"? Maru would've proxied game 2 no matter the outcome of game 1
On February 23 2021 02:15 Elentos wrote: Sadly Solar doesn't have the big brain to know that after a game like that Maru is automatically gonna proxy. Some Zergs would have gotten a build order win here.
This is why I'm a Maru fan. Nerves of steel on this man, he just doesn't break. Solar was winning the series, he was winning and Maru just broke his will.
Nukes should have a pillar of light, not just a dot. They have way too much kill potential for something you can hide in a gully or the edge of an extractor. Just feel sad for Solar after that
On February 23 2021 02:15 Elentos wrote: Sadly Solar doesn't have the big brain to know that after a game like that Maru is automatically gonna proxy. Some Zergs would have gotten a build order win here.
What do you mean "after a game like that"? Maru would've proxied game 2 no matter the outcome of game 1
Any given game, but especially a game he had no business winning.
On February 23 2021 02:17 Vindicare605 wrote: This is why I'm a Maru fan. Nerves of steel on this man, he just doesn't break. Solar was winning the series, he was winning and Maru just broke his will.
On February 23 2021 02:22 swarminfestor wrote: So, the likely scenario for Maru to get the third spot will be his win against Clem and Byun defeat to Solar. Otherwise, Byun can sneak in.
I believe Maru only needs to beat Showtime to be guaranteed to go through no matter how Byun plays
On February 23 2021 02:22 swarminfestor wrote: So, the likely scenario for Maru to get the third spot will be his win against Clem and Byun defeat to Solar. Otherwise, Byun can sneak in.
I believe Maru only needs to beat Showtime to be guaranteed to go through no matter how Byun or Solar play
On February 23 2021 02:22 swarminfestor wrote: So, the likely scenario for Maru to get the third spot will be his win against Clem and Byun defeat to Solar. Otherwise, Byun can sneak in.
I believe Maru only needs to beat Showtime to be guaranteed to go through no matter how Byun plays
Maru could go 3-2, 6-5 and ByuN could go 3-2, 7-4.
On February 23 2021 02:18 stilt wrote: I don't feel sorry for a player who fails to kill one single ghost in front of his army. It's just a horrible blunder.
cool dude, its one ghost but its also one thing out of many on the screen
On February 23 2021 02:18 stilt wrote: I don't feel sorry for a player who fails to kill one single ghost in front of his army. It's just a horrible blunder.
cool dude, its one ghost but its also one thing out of many on the screen
I'd say when you have an insanely expensive army that's your ticket to win the game you should focus most of your attention on it
On February 23 2021 02:22 swarminfestor wrote: So, the likely scenario for Maru to get the third spot will be his win against Clem and Byun defeat to Solar. Otherwise, Byun can sneak in.
I believe Maru only needs to beat Showtime to be guaranteed to go through no matter how Byun plays
Maru could go 3-2, 6-5 and ByuN could go 3-2, 7-4.
Isn't H2H the first deciding factor in case of even match score?
On February 23 2021 02:18 stilt wrote: I don't feel sorry for a player who fails to kill one single ghost in front of his army. It's just a horrible blunder.
cool dude, its one ghost but its also one thing out of many on the screen
I'd say when you have an insanely expensive army that's your ticket to win the game you should focus most of your attention on it
You should probably just by default pull back in that situation if you don't see a dot or a ghost because Terrans always attempt hail mary defensive nukes.
On February 23 2021 02:22 swarminfestor wrote: So, the likely scenario for Maru to get the third spot will be his win against Clem and Byun defeat to Solar. Otherwise, Byun can sneak in.
I believe Maru only needs to beat Showtime to be guaranteed to go through no matter how Byun plays
Maru could go 3-2, 6-5 and ByuN could go 3-2, 7-4.
Isn't H2H the first deciding factor in case of even match score?
On February 23 2021 02:22 swarminfestor wrote: So, the likely scenario for Maru to get the third spot will be his win against Clem and Byun defeat to Solar. Otherwise, Byun can sneak in.
I believe Maru only needs to beat Showtime to be guaranteed to go through no matter how Byun plays
Maru could go 3-2, 6-5 and ByuN could go 3-2, 7-4.
Isn't H2H the first deciding factor in case of even match score?
It's actually not according to the rules listed on liquipedia Ties are broken in the following order: Overall map difference Overall number of map wins Match wins amassed between the tied participants ('Mini-League') Map difference between the tied participants ('Mini-League') Number of map wins between the tied participants ('Mini-League') Tie breaker matches Coin toss
On February 23 2021 02:22 swarminfestor wrote: So, the likely scenario for Maru to get the third spot will be his win against Clem and Byun defeat to Solar. Otherwise, Byun can sneak in.
I believe Maru only needs to beat Showtime to be guaranteed to go through no matter how Byun plays
Maru could go 3-2, 6-5 and ByuN could go 3-2, 7-4.
Isn't H2H the first deciding factor in case of even match score?
On February 23 2021 02:22 swarminfestor wrote: So, the likely scenario for Maru to get the third spot will be his win against Clem and Byun defeat to Solar. Otherwise, Byun can sneak in.
I believe Maru only needs to beat Showtime to be guaranteed to go through no matter how Byun plays
Maru could go 3-2, 6-5 and ByuN could go 3-2, 7-4.
Isn't H2H the first deciding factor in case of even match score?
It's actually not according to the rules listed on liquipedia Ties are broken in the following order: Overall map difference Overall number of map wins Match wins amassed between the tied participants ('Mini-League') Map difference between the tied participants ('Mini-League') Number of map wins between the tied participants ('Mini-League') Tie breaker matches Coin toss
Coin toss is weird. If the tie breaker matches end in another tire, just play the match again?
On February 23 2021 02:22 swarminfestor wrote: So, the likely scenario for Maru to get the third spot will be his win against Clem and Byun defeat to Solar. Otherwise, Byun can sneak in.
I believe Maru only needs to beat Showtime to be guaranteed to go through no matter how Byun plays
Maru could go 3-2, 6-5 and ByuN could go 3-2, 7-4.
Isn't H2H the first deciding factor in case of even match score?
Nope, not at IEM.
It isn't in most other sports that use a group/league afaik?
On February 23 2021 02:22 swarminfestor wrote: So, the likely scenario for Maru to get the third spot will be his win against Clem and Byun defeat to Solar. Otherwise, Byun can sneak in.
I believe Maru only needs to beat Showtime to be guaranteed to go through no matter how Byun plays
Maru could go 3-2, 6-5 and ByuN could go 3-2, 7-4.
Isn't H2H the first deciding factor in case of even match score?
It's actually not according to the rules listed on liquipedia Ties are broken in the following order: Overall map difference Overall number of map wins Match wins amassed between the tied participants ('Mini-League') Map difference between the tied participants ('Mini-League') Number of map wins between the tied participants ('Mini-League') Tie breaker matches Coin toss
Coin toss is weird. If the tie breaker matches end in another tire, just play the match again?
Yeah I'm assuming that is like an ultimate fail safe for the weirdest possible scenario. Can't imagine it would ever actually be used
Maru launches 150 nukes in a 1h20m long game, kills creep tumors. Ended up resigning from a drawn position because he overlooked that Terran buildings can fly.
Maru vs PartinG, 2020 GSL Season 3
Maru accidently destroys his army with a single nuke
Maru vs Solar, IEM Katowice 2021
Maru kills Solar's entire army with a single nuke. Wins an otherwise completely lost game.
Maru vs Scarlett, WESG 2018 (2019) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7D7bMPPwWQ Maru launches 150 nukes in a 1h20m long game, kills creep tumors. Ended up resigning from a drawn position because he overlooked that Terran buildings can fly.
On February 23 2021 02:40 warnull wrote: An abridged history of Maru and nukes
Maru vs Scarlett, WESG 2018 (2019) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7D7bMPPwWQ Maru launches 150 nukes in a 1h20m long game, kills creep tumors. Ended up resigning from a drawn position because he overlooked that Terran buildings can fly.
On February 23 2021 02:44 Waxangel wrote: On balance for his career, Maru is still several tens of thousands of resources in the negative for his return on nukes
On February 23 2021 02:44 Waxangel wrote: On balance for his career, Maru is still several tens of thousands of resources in the negative for his return on nukes
Nuking his own entire army also undid some of the gains he got from nukes that killed some stuff.
On February 23 2021 02:43 Andi_Goldberger wrote: theres one thing I can say with absolute certainty about TY and that is that hes not a good cross server player haha
Yeah it doesn't bode well how big the difference has been compared to the KR nerver games.
On February 23 2021 02:51 Elentos wrote: You know I can't put my finger on it but something makes me think Creighton on the B-stream has bias towards a certain race.
naah, you are being paranoid he thinks equally about all 3
On February 23 2021 02:51 Elentos wrote: You know I can't put my finger on it but something makes me think Creighton on the B-stream has bias towards a certain race.
On February 23 2021 03:10 Nakajin wrote: I'd like to take a second to remember everyone that it's 2020 and we have amazing tvt including mass raven, how far we have come.
On February 23 2021 03:10 Nakajin wrote: I'd like to take a second to remember everyone that it's 2020 and we have amazing tvt including mass raven, how far we have come.
Creighton had the completely wrong idea of how that game was going. Marines are not good vs BCs not without Raven support and Maru had complete control of the skies, Clem could do nothing with his Ravens.
On February 23 2021 03:20 Argonauta wrote: bruh Maru vs Clem casters were a bit off at the end, hyping so much dorito dusted marines
Naw, Clem had a real shot there, just had some bad issues with losing his ravens. He had the prodution to make that build work, but had some micro errors that cost him. I truly believe that with one or two good engagements, he could have taken that game 2 at any point.
On February 23 2021 03:20 Argonauta wrote: bruh Maru vs Clem casters were a bit off at the end, hyping so much dorito dusted marines
Naw, Clem had a real shot there, just had some bad issues with losing his ravens. He had the prodution to make that build work, but had some micro errors that cost him. I truly believe that with one or two good engagements, he could have taken that game 2 at any point.
problem is that with soo many vikings its almost impossible to do anything with few ravens
On February 23 2021 03:20 sneakyfox wrote: B stream bias for Clem so strong they're not even noticing how much he is getting beat up.
Yeah seriously, that was pretty silly. I haven't watched Grant cast before, but he was really miscalling a lot of things in game two. The suggestion that Clem should attempt to drop marines on Maru's tanks while there were 20 vikings right above them was my favorite.
On February 23 2021 03:20 sneakyfox wrote: B stream bias for Clem so strong they're not even noticing how much he is getting beat up.
Yeah seriously, that was pretty silly. I haven't watched Grant cast before, but he was really miscalling a lot of things in game two. The suggestion that Clem should attempt to drop marines on Maru's tanks while there were 20 vikings right above them was my favorite.
Maru had a firm control on that game for like the four minutes before the end, but at least one of the casters was acting like Clem had the lead.
On February 23 2021 03:20 sneakyfox wrote: B stream bias for Clem so strong they're not even noticing how much he is getting beat up.
Yeah seriously, that was pretty silly. I haven't watched Grant cast before, but he was really miscalling a lot of things in game two. The suggestion that Clem should attempt to drop marines on Maru's tanks while there were 20 vikings right above them was my favorite.
Fortune favours the brave. I am assuming Grant meant if Maru's movement and army rotations left such a possibility open, but he's pretty damn good in that regard, even with observer vision it was difficult to find too many opportunities to really pounce on that army.
On February 23 2021 03:24 Fango wrote: If TY and Maru win 2-0 and Clem 2-1, are we gonna have all three with 4-1/6-3 scorelines. How does that work
"Ties are broken in the following order: Overall map difference Overall number of map wins Match wins amassed between the tied participants ('Mini-League') Map difference between the tied participants ('Mini-League') Number of map wins between the tied participants ('Mini-League') Tie breaker matches Coin toss" IEM Katowice/2021
On February 23 2021 03:22 argonautdice wrote: Solar is out right?
Not yet, unless he lost at least 1-2 to Clem.
Best case scenario for Solar is he beats Clem 2-0, then TY and Maru both lose 0-2. Then TY, Maru, Solar are tied 6-5 in maps but TY and Maru both won HTH against Solar. Clem would be 6-4, so wins out over Solar in map differences.
On February 23 2021 03:20 sneakyfox wrote: B stream bias for Clem so strong they're not even noticing how much he is getting beat up.
Yeah seriously, that was pretty silly. I haven't watched Grant cast before, but he was really miscalling a lot of things in game two. The suggestion that Clem should attempt to drop marines on Maru's tanks while there were 20 vikings right above them was my favorite.
Maru had a firm control on that game for like the four minutes before the end, but at least one of the casters was acting like Clem had the lead.
Yeah definitely. Clem's final army may have been more mobile, but in terms of strength it wasn't even close.
On February 23 2021 03:24 Fango wrote: If TY and Maru win 2-0 and Clem 2-1, are we gonna have all three with 4-1/6-3 scorelines. How does that work
"Ties are broken in the following order: Overall map difference Overall number of map wins Match wins amassed between the tied participants ('Mini-League') Map difference between the tied participants ('Mini-League') Number of map wins between the tied participants ('Mini-League') Tie breaker matches Coin toss" IEM Katowice/2021
So Maru, TY, and Clem can bring it all the way to tie breaker matches if that happens?
On February 23 2021 03:22 argonautdice wrote: Solar is out right?
Not yet, unless he lost at least 1-2 to Clem.
Best case scenario for Solar is he beats Clem 2-0, then TY and Maru both lose 0-2. Then TY, Maru, Solar are tied 6-5 in maps but TY and Maru both won HTH against Solar. Clem would be 6-4, so wins out over Solar in map differences.
Yep. Solar is out. The three players moving on will be Clem, TY, and Maru.
On February 23 2021 03:24 Fango wrote: If TY and Maru win 2-0 and Clem 2-1, are we gonna have all three with 4-1/6-3 scorelines. How does that work
"Ties are broken in the following order: Overall map difference Overall number of map wins Match wins amassed between the tied participants ('Mini-League') Map difference between the tied participants ('Mini-League') Number of map wins between the tied participants ('Mini-League') Tie breaker matches Coin toss" IEM Katowice/2021
So Maru, TY, and Clem can bring it all the way to tie breaker matches if that happens?
On February 23 2021 03:24 Fango wrote: If TY and Maru win 2-0 and Clem 2-1, are we gonna have all three with 4-1/6-3 scorelines. How does that work
"Ties are broken in the following order: Overall map difference Overall number of map wins Match wins amassed between the tied participants ('Mini-League') Map difference between the tied participants ('Mini-League') Number of map wins between the tied participants ('Mini-League') Tie breaker matches Coin toss" IEM Katowice/2021
So Maru, TY, and Clem can bring it all the way to tie breaker matches if that happens?
On February 23 2021 03:24 stilt wrote: Solar is eliminated no matter what happens right ? Go Clem then !
I'm not 100% sure, I think the best Solar can do is (if he 2-0s Clem and Maru and TY both lose 0-2) is tie Maru and TY so they're all 3-2 in series and 6-5 in sets and given he lost to both of them I can't see how he would qualify
On February 23 2021 03:24 Fango wrote: If TY and Maru win 2-0 and Clem 2-1, are we gonna have all three with 4-1/6-3 scorelines. How does that work
"Ties are broken in the following order: Overall map difference Overall number of map wins Match wins amassed between the tied participants ('Mini-League') Map difference between the tied participants ('Mini-League') Number of map wins between the tied participants ('Mini-League') Tie breaker matches Coin toss" IEM Katowice/2021
So Maru, TY, and Clem can bring it all the way to tie breaker matches if that happens?
I guess the map differences between them all would have to line up perfectly too. I don't think it's going to come down to tiebreaker matches, but it'd be pretty sweet if we got to watch more StarCraft
On February 23 2021 03:24 Fango wrote: If TY and Maru win 2-0 and Clem 2-1, are we gonna have all three with 4-1/6-3 scorelines. How does that work
"Ties are broken in the following order: Overall map difference Overall number of map wins Match wins amassed between the tied participants ('Mini-League') Map difference between the tied participants ('Mini-League') Number of map wins between the tied participants ('Mini-League') Tie breaker matches Coin toss" IEM Katowice/2021
So Maru, TY, and Clem can bring it all the way to tie breaker matches if that happens?
They could bring it to coin toss.
COIN TOSS HYPE
Thats a cool name for a Protoss player. @PtitDrogo?
On February 23 2021 03:24 Fango wrote: If TY and Maru win 2-0 and Clem 2-1, are we gonna have all three with 4-1/6-3 scorelines. How does that work
"Ties are broken in the following order: Overall map difference Overall number of map wins Match wins amassed between the tied participants ('Mini-League') Map difference between the tied participants ('Mini-League') Number of map wins between the tied participants ('Mini-League') Tie breaker matches Coin toss" IEM Katowice/2021
So Maru, TY, and Clem can bring it all the way to tie breaker matches if that happens?
I guess the map differences between them all would have to line up perfectly too. I don't think it's going to come down to tiebreaker matches, but it'd be pretty sweet if we got to watch more StarCraft
If Clem wins 2-1 and Maru and TY win 2-0 it's automatic tie breaker matches. They would all be 4-1, 6-5 and have beaten 1 of the others 2-0 while getting 2-0'd by the other.
On February 23 2021 03:29 Elentos wrote: #1 seed of the entire tournament with no series on the main stream btw while Solar is on the main stream 3 series in a row
On February 23 2021 03:29 Elentos wrote: #1 seed of the entire tournament with no series on the main stream btw while Solar is on the main stream 3 series in a row
On February 23 2021 03:29 Elentos wrote: #1 seed of the entire tournament with no series on the main stream btw while Solar is on the main stream 3 series in a row
On February 23 2021 03:24 Fango wrote: If TY and Maru win 2-0 and Clem 2-1, are we gonna have all three with 4-1/6-3 scorelines. How does that work
"Ties are broken in the following order: Overall map difference Overall number of map wins Match wins amassed between the tied participants ('Mini-League') Map difference between the tied participants ('Mini-League') Number of map wins between the tied participants ('Mini-League') Tie breaker matches Coin toss" IEM Katowice/2021
So Maru, TY, and Clem can bring it all the way to tie breaker matches if that happens?
I guess the map differences between them all would have to line up perfectly too. I don't think it's going to come down to tiebreaker matches, but it'd be pretty sweet if we got to watch more StarCraft
If what Fango said happens and they all end up with the same map score it's straight to tie breaker matches because all the criteria measured between them in the mini group are already the same and will stay the same after last round.
I seriously hope it happens lol. And of the tie breaker matches come up as even in the mimigroup again I guess it would be coin toss time :D
On February 23 2021 03:29 Elentos wrote: #1 seed of the entire tournament with no series on the main stream btw while Solar is on the main stream 3 series in a row
At least they game him the group of life
Personally I think group B is easier to advance from for TY (given that he would probably swap with Dark in terms of points).
On February 23 2021 03:29 Elentos wrote: #1 seed of the entire tournament with no series on the main stream btw while Solar is on the main stream 3 series in a row
TY vs Maru was on the main stream no?
Was it? It might have been I wasn't home when that was live. I thought it was on a secondary stream.
On February 23 2021 03:29 Elentos wrote: #1 seed of the entire tournament with no series on the main stream btw while Solar is on the main stream 3 series in a row
At least they game him the group of life
Personally I think group B is easier to advance from for TY (given that he would probably swap with Dark in terms of points).
Was just being sarcastic, it's obviously the group of death.
On February 23 2021 03:29 Elentos wrote: #1 seed of the entire tournament with no series on the main stream btw while Solar is on the main stream 3 series in a row
At least they game him the group of life
Personally I think group B is easier to advance from for TY (given that he would probably swap with Dark in terms of points).
Was just being sarcastic, it's obviously the group of death.
On February 23 2021 03:29 Elentos wrote: #1 seed of the entire tournament with no series on the main stream btw while Solar is on the main stream 3 series in a row
TY vs Maru was on the main stream no?
Was it? It might have been I wasn't home when that was live. I thought it was on a secondary stream.
Almost positive because I know Solar vs Showtime was on Harstem and I thought I remembered Clem being on main first series and then swapping to B
On February 23 2021 03:39 Argonauta wrote: it takes some special kind of balls to claim that Clem is the best terran in the world rigth after being beaten by another terran
Convincingly too.
Clem is at least in the conversation though, and TY, Inno, and Maru have all had claims to the title of best Terran in the world over the last two years. It's not a solid #1 and 2 like it is with other races, more like a top tier and a second tier.
On February 23 2021 03:39 Argonauta wrote: it takes some special kind of balls to claim that Clem is the best terran in the world rigth after being beaten by another terran
I think he noticed it himself immediately and Rotti just laughed haha
On February 23 2021 03:39 Argonauta wrote: it takes some special kind of balls to claim that Clem is the best terran in the world rigth after being beaten by another terran
Convincingly too.
im betting you clem was still in the defeat screen
Maru seems in good form, but judging by Maru vs Solar and ByuN vs Solar TvZ seems difficult, will be hard to top Rogue/Dark and Serral/Reynor (especially with ping...). So I guess Clem has the best shot overall between him, TY and Maru.
On February 23 2021 03:39 Argonauta wrote: it takes some special kind of balls to claim that Clem is the best terran in the world rigth after being beaten by another terran
But he beat the Terran that beat the Terran that beat him.
On February 23 2021 03:39 Argonauta wrote: it takes some special kind of balls to claim that Clem is the best terran in the world rigth after being beaten by another terran
Convincingly too.
Clem is at least in the conversation though, and TY, Inno, and Maru have all had claims to the title of best Terran in the world over the last two years. It's not a solid #1 and 2 like it is with other races, more like a top tier and a second tier.
I think in the past two years Inno has been out of the conversation
On February 23 2021 03:39 Argonauta wrote: it takes some special kind of balls to claim that Clem is the best terran in the world rigth after being beaten by another terran
But he beat the Terran that beat the Terran that beat him.
Let's see if he's gonna nuke Solar, that seems to be the real measure of Terran.
On February 23 2021 03:41 Poopi wrote: Maru seems in good form, but judging by Maru vs Solar and ByuN vs Solar TvZ seems difficult, will be hard to top Rogue/Dark and Serral/Reynor (especially with ping...). So I guess Clem has the best shot overall between him, TY and Maru.
Void Rays will take care of that problem for Maru and TY.
On February 23 2021 03:41 Poopi wrote: Maru seems in good form, but judging by Maru vs Solar and ByuN vs Solar TvZ seems difficult, will be hard to top Rogue/Dark and Serral/Reynor (especially with ping...). So I guess Clem has the best shot overall between him, TY and Maru.
Void Rays will take care of that problem for Maru and TY.
On February 23 2021 03:54 Darkhorse wrote: Harstem's stream is just so chill. Him and Lambo are just so mellow and their game sound is so low I dig it
for a lot of online cups I dig on it too. For freaking IEM katowice? Please give me energy!
Fair enough. I guess I don't mind it given we have two other streams so it's not like Harstem is the main/only stream. And I'm happy to have a change of pace
On February 23 2021 04:02 Waxangel wrote: Given the benefit of this being totally online, they should just play infinite tiebreakers instead of flipping the coin
There's a point where it's unreasonable to continue tie breakers if they really keep drawing.
On February 23 2021 04:02 Waxangel wrote: Given the benefit of this being totally online, they should just play infinite tiebreakers instead of flipping the coin
There's a point where it's unreasonable to continue tie breakers if they really keep drawing.
Maybe it they had to be live. But they can hold them whenever they want behind closed doors for the next 3 days.
On February 23 2021 04:02 Waxangel wrote: Given the benefit of this being totally online, they should just play infinite tiebreakers instead of flipping the coin
There's a point where it's unreasonable to continue tie breakers if they really keep drawing.
Maybe it they had to be live. But they can hold them whenever they want behind closed doors for the next 3 days.
There's no point having them play forever if you're not gonna show it
On February 23 2021 04:02 Waxangel wrote: Given the benefit of this being totally online, they should just play infinite tiebreakers instead of flipping the coin
There's a point where it's unreasonable to continue tie breakers if they really keep drawing.
Maybe it they had to be live. But they can hold them whenever they want behind closed doors for the next 3 days.
Should definitely be behind closed doors, preferably in a dark basement somewhere.
On February 23 2021 04:02 Waxangel wrote: Given the benefit of this being totally online, they should just play infinite tiebreakers instead of flipping the coin
There's a point where it's unreasonable to continue tie breakers if they really keep drawing.
But what if the coin flips keep landing on their edge?
On February 23 2021 04:02 Waxangel wrote: Given the benefit of this being totally online, they should just play infinite tiebreakers instead of flipping the coin
There's a point where it's unreasonable to continue tie breakers if they really keep drawing.
Maybe it they had to be live. But they can hold them whenever they want behind closed doors for the next 3 days.
There's no point having them play forever if you're not gonna show it
no point????? aren't you the one who pretends to care about competitive integrity too much for the sake of being a dick
On February 23 2021 04:02 Waxangel wrote: Given the benefit of this being totally online, they should just play infinite tiebreakers instead of flipping the coin
There's a point where it's unreasonable to continue tie breakers if they really keep drawing.
Maybe it they had to be live. But they can hold them whenever they want behind closed doors for the next 3 days.
Should definitely be behind closed doors, preferably in a dark basement somewhere.
On February 23 2021 04:15 Vindicare605 wrote: Solar really does look elite in TvZ right now. Maru required luck and nerves of steel to beat him.
How did TY beat him?
Game 1 he hit a really sweet timing push (the casters were marveling at how fast it hit) with just like a tank/medivac some marines and hellions that really hurt Solar's drone count and timing
Game two he actually hit the same timing but maybe got overaggressive and Solar sorta pulled it back but he was still behind and lost in late late game. And both games I believe TY started with a proxy 2 rax
On February 23 2021 04:21 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Clem taking 3rd place in the group is still solid Thanks Obama... (marauder)
On a related note, Obamarauder seems to have stopped his baiting, since Clem started losing lol
One of those that if you'd said yesterday Clem and Clem fans would have absolutely bitten your hand off to get, but given how strongly he started today feels a bit anti-climatic.
On February 23 2021 04:15 Vindicare605 wrote: Solar really does look elite in TvZ right now. Maru required luck and nerves of steel to beat him.
How did TY beat him?
Game 1 he hit a really sweet timing push (the casters were marveling at how fast it hit) with just like a tank/medivac some marines and hellions that really hurt Solar's drone count and timing
Game two he actually hit the same timing but maybe got overaggressive and Solar sorta pulled it back but he was still behind and lost in late late game. And both games I believe TY started with a proxy 2 rax
On February 23 2021 04:21 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Clem taking 3rd place in the group is still solid Thanks Obama... (marauder)
On a related note, Obamarauder seems to have stopped his baiting, since Clem started losing lol
One of those that if you'd said yesterday Clem and Clem fans would have absolutely bitten your hand off to get, but given how strongly he started today feels a bit anti-climatic.
Yeah definitely, and I love your edit of my comment lol.
On February 23 2021 04:21 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Clem taking 3rd place in the group is still solid Thanks Obama... (marauder)
On a related note, Obamarauder seems to have stopped his baiting, since Clem started losing lol
One of those that if you'd said yesterday Clem and Clem fans would have absolutely bitten your hand off to get, but given how strongly he started today feels a bit anti-climatic.
On February 23 2021 04:21 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Clem taking 3rd place in the group is still solid Thanks Obama... (marauder)
On a related note, Obamarauder seems to have stopped his baiting, since Clem started losing lol
One of those that if you'd said yesterday Clem and Clem fans would have absolutely bitten your hand off to get, but given how strongly he started today feels a bit anti-climatic.
On February 23 2021 04:27 dysenterymd wrote: imo it's kind of dumb that ties are decided through h2h score, but I guess there are a lot of matches in the tournament already.
Good performance by Clem, losing to Solar makes me question how deep he can go though, a lot of scary zerg he could meet.
On February 23 2021 04:21 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Clem taking 3rd place in the group is still solid Thanks Obama... (marauder)
On a related note, Obamarauder seems to have stopped his baiting, since Clem started losing lol
One of those that if you'd said yesterday Clem and Clem fans would have absolutely bitten your hand off to get, but given how strongly he started today feels a bit anti-climatic.
On February 23 2021 04:21 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Clem taking 3rd place in the group is still solid Thanks Obama... (marauder)
On a related note, Obamarauder seems to have stopped his baiting, since Clem started losing lol
One of those that if you'd said yesterday Clem and Clem fans would have absolutely bitten your hand off to get, but given how strongly he started today feels a bit anti-climatic.
well he got to play the 2 weakest players first
... always this downtalking, showtime ur "weakest" player just was 2nd place osc in january beating solar 3-2 there
On February 23 2021 04:21 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Clem taking 3rd place in the group is still solid Thanks Obama... (marauder)
On a related note, Obamarauder seems to have stopped his baiting, since Clem started losing lol
One of those that if you'd said yesterday Clem and Clem fans would have absolutely bitten your hand off to get, but given how strongly he started today feels a bit anti-climatic.
well he got to play the 2 weakest players first
... always this downtalking, showtime ur "weakest" player just was 2nd place osc in january beating solar 3-2 there
To be fair, Showtime was objectively the weakest player in this group, given that he got last place / the lowest score. That's not even negotiable. He literally lost every match. That doesn't mean he's bad; it just means he was the worst in this group.
On February 23 2021 04:21 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Clem taking 3rd place in the group is still solid Thanks Obama... (marauder)
On a related note, Obamarauder seems to have stopped his baiting, since Clem started losing lol
One of those that if you'd said yesterday Clem and Clem fans would have absolutely bitten your hand off to get, but given how strongly he started today feels a bit anti-climatic.
well he got to play the 2 weakest players first
... always this downtalking, showtime ur "weakest" player just was 2nd place osc in january beating solar 3-2 there
To be fair, Showtime was objectively the weakest player in this group, given that he got last place / the lowest score. That's not even negotiable. He literally lost every match. That doesn't mean he's bad; it just means he was the worst in this group.
True. He is kinda missing the killer instict IMO. Showtime was ahead in a lot of it's games but always gave up the advantage one way or another. Mostly through beeing overly defense and not using his advantage
On February 23 2021 04:21 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Clem taking 3rd place in the group is still solid Thanks Obama... (marauder)
On a related note, Obamarauder seems to have stopped his baiting, since Clem started losing lol
One of those that if you'd said yesterday Clem and Clem fans would have absolutely bitten your hand off to get, but given how strongly he started today feels a bit anti-climatic.
well he got to play the 2 weakest players first
... always this downtalking, showtime ur "weakest" player just was 2nd place osc in january beating solar 3-2 there
To be fair, Showtime was objectively the weakest player in this group, given that he got last place / the lowest score. That's not even negotiable. He literally lost every match. That doesn't mean he's bad; it just means he was the worst in this group.
True. He is kinda missing the killer instict IMO. Showtime was ahead in a lot of it's games but always gave up the advantage one way or another. Mostly through beeing overly defense and not using his advantage
Yeah, it’s pretty cutthroat at this level of the game. Showtime rarely plays outright badly or is completely outclassed but frequently does just lack that killer instinct that the top Korean tosses seem to have.
On February 23 2021 04:21 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Clem taking 3rd place in the group is still solid Thanks Obama... (marauder)
On a related note, Obamarauder seems to have stopped his baiting, since Clem started losing lol
One of those that if you'd said yesterday Clem and Clem fans would have absolutely bitten your hand off to get, but given how strongly he started today feels a bit anti-climatic.
well he got to play the 2 weakest players first
... always this downtalking, showtime ur "weakest" player just was 2nd place osc in january beating solar 3-2 there
To be fair, Showtime was objectively the weakest player in this group, given that he got last place / the lowest score. That's not even negotiable. He literally lost every match. That doesn't mean he's bad; it just means he was the worst in this group.
True. He is kinda missing the killer instict IMO. Showtime was ahead in a lot of it's games but always gave up the advantage one way or another. Mostly through beeing overly defense and not using his advantage
Yeah, it’s pretty cutthroat at this level of the game. Showtime rarely plays outright badly or is completely outclassed but frequently does just lack that killer instinct that the top Korean tosses seem to have.
I've seen countless games were the commentators were like "No Zest, you don't wanna go up this ramp" followed by Zest going up the ramp and outright kill someone xD That's the kinda thing you need sometimes
On February 23 2021 04:21 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Clem taking 3rd place in the group is still solid Thanks Obama... (marauder)
On a related note, Obamarauder seems to have stopped his baiting, since Clem started losing lol
One of those that if you'd said yesterday Clem and Clem fans would have absolutely bitten your hand off to get, but given how strongly he started today feels a bit anti-climatic.
well he got to play the 2 weakest players first
... always this downtalking, showtime ur "weakest" player just was 2nd place osc in january beating solar 3-2 there
To be fair, Showtime was objectively the weakest player in this group, given that he got last place / the lowest score. That's not even negotiable. He literally lost every match. That doesn't mean he's bad; it just means he was the worst in this group.
True. He is kinda missing the killer instict IMO. Showtime was ahead in a lot of it's games but always gave up the advantage one way or another. Mostly through beeing overly defense and not using his advantage
Yeah, it’s pretty cutthroat at this level of the game. Showtime rarely plays outright badly or is completely outclassed but frequently does just lack that killer instinct that the top Korean tosses seem to have.
I've seen countless games were the commentators were like "No Zest, you don't wanna go up this ramp" followed by Zest going up the ramp and outright kill someone xD That's the kinda thing you need sometimes
Yeah for sure, I always had herO down as the master of making stuff that seemingly shouldn’t work, work. Zest is great at it too
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