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stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2749 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-12-21 00:30:54
December 21 2020 00:29 GMT
#441
On December 21 2020 09:25 Charoisaur wrote:
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On December 21 2020 09:24 stilt wrote:
On December 21 2020 09:17 Azhrak wrote:
This did not even feel like the finals. Very rushed play from Serral. Risky builds could have paid out but usually he takes it more safe.


In the game he played safe he was crushed by Dark's greedy play.
And his mechanics/multitask didn't look amazing either.
Overall he was just a doll on Dark's hand. It's not on the same level as Lilbow/Life but for a final... Well, the only bo I have in mind is nestea vs inca.

or Zest vs Maru which was done in 30-40 minutes


Oh, I didn't see it... But was it a final or a semi ?
Well, I am a supporter of Serral but shits happen, Dark's run is quite insane and miraculous (uthermal/reynor had him on the ropes) but he was skilled and tenacious.
At least I can go to bed.
TentativePanda
Profile Joined August 2014
United States800 Posts
December 21 2020 00:30 GMT
#442
On December 21 2020 09:27 irvnasty wrote:
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On December 21 2020 09:20 TentativePanda wrote:
I'm super happy for Dark. What a fucking beast. Just came back though, how did he 4-0 Serral??


Game 1, Serral 12 pool did decent damage, Dark massed lings, pushed an ovie out of the way with queens and caught Serral off guard. Near instant GG.

Game 2, Serral went for an early roach attack on 39 drones, Dark held it while on 56 drones and with a lair.

Game 3, Slightly longer game. Dark got into a decent position and made mutas, keeping Serral pinned on 4 bases on Deathaura while he had 6 including a bonus gas one. Was flooding with lings and banes, eventually made several dropperlords and dropped a ton of lings in Serral's main. After that, Serral's defenses crumbled.

Game 4, Serral made gas-first fastest possible speedlings and attacked across Jagannatha. Dark saw it lateish but was able to wall then double wall with evos. By the time Serral broke through, his banes were dead and Dark's queens and lings were able to win the ensuing fight, leaving Dark with 25 drones to 17ish. Dark stayed on two bases and got a lair while Serral also rushed lair. Dark went roach speed and was going nydus. Serral went mutas. When Dark saw the spire, he abandoned the nydus idea and just went. Due to Serral's weak economy, he only had three mutas and chose to insta-gg when he saw a dozen or so speed roaches.


Sounds wacky haha. Thanks for the recap!
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
December 21 2020 00:34 GMT
#443
On December 21 2020 09:18 Charoisaur wrote:
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On December 21 2020 09:15 Xain0n wrote:
On December 21 2020 09:12 Charoisaur wrote:
"Serral would never get destroyed by Dark like Reynor did in 2019 Blizzcon finals. Dark got lucky he avoided Serral there"


He wouldn't have been, Serral's ZvZ was much better in 2019 than it has been this year.

Reynor's ZvZ back then was just as good as Serral's and he got destroyed by Dark. Glad the people who tried to discredit his win eat their words now. (don't remember if you were amongst them)



No, not really.
Serral was 41-5 in series in ZvZ in 2019, losing once to soO and four times to Reynor(he's 29-11 in 2020, to make a comparison); Reynor went 46-18 in ZvZ in 2019, and was 5-2 against korean Zerg before facing Dark.
Dark, on the other hand, went 55-17 overall in 2019 with ZvZ being his worst matchup(he was 13-6 before playing against Reynor at BlizzCon).

At the time, it was reasonable to think that Serral could have had the upper hand against Dark; personally, I was disappointed by Reynor but I said nothing against Dark: he deserved a BlizzCon after all and you have to reach finals in order to win them.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55550 Posts
December 21 2020 00:35 GMT
#444
On December 21 2020 09:29 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
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On December 21 2020 09:27 Solio wrote:
On December 21 2020 09:20 ZombieGrub wrote:
On December 21 2020 09:14 Solio wrote:
On December 21 2020 09:13 Zzzapper wrote:
On December 21 2020 09:10 Morbidius wrote:
Rotti is so bitter. ''Dark was inferior in micro and macro, he just chose the right builds!''

I don't think he said that? Just that Dark won on strats more than mechanics which I think is fair. And there's nothing wrong with that either


The damage control is hilarious


I mean, when did he say that lol.




If you have a persecution complex on behalf of Koreans and interpret a comment saying that Dark out-strategized Serral as a put-down that's on you though.

I mean it's maybe a bit oversimplifying from Rotti to say Dark just won because of his strategic choices, but yeah you'd figure "He put the Strategy in RTS" would be understood as a compliment by most people.
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irvnasty
Profile Joined July 2019
United States211 Posts
December 21 2020 00:36 GMT
#445
On December 21 2020 09:30 TentativePanda wrote:
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On December 21 2020 09:27 irvnasty wrote:
On December 21 2020 09:20 TentativePanda wrote:
I'm super happy for Dark. What a fucking beast. Just came back though, how did he 4-0 Serral??


Game 1, Serral 12 pool did decent damage, Dark massed lings, pushed an ovie out of the way with queens and caught Serral off guard. Near instant GG.

Game 2, Serral went for an early roach attack on 39 drones, Dark held it while on 56 drones and with a lair.

Game 3, Slightly longer game. Dark got into a decent position and made mutas, keeping Serral pinned on 4 bases on Deathaura while he had 6 including a bonus gas one. Was flooding with lings and banes, eventually made several dropperlords and dropped a ton of lings in Serral's main. After that, Serral's defenses crumbled.

Game 4, Serral made gas-first fastest possible speedlings and attacked across Jagannatha. Dark saw it lateish but was able to wall then double wall with evos. By the time Serral broke through, his banes were dead and Dark's queens and lings were able to win the ensuing fight, leaving Dark with 25 drones to 17ish. Dark stayed on two bases and got a lair while Serral also rushed lair. Dark went roach speed and was going nydus. Serral went mutas. When Dark saw the spire, he abandoned the nydus idea and just went. Due to Serral's weak economy, he only had three mutas and chose to insta-gg when he saw a dozen or so speed roaches.


Sounds wacky haha. Thanks for the recap!


Yeah, every game was Dark either showing perfect crisis management and then a perfect aggressive response or Dark just anticipating Serral's moves while Serral completely misunderstood what Dark was up to. If Serral had walled in game 1, he would have won that game because his 12 pool killed enough drones. The other three games had the appearance of being over before they started.
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Solio
Profile Joined June 2016
France145 Posts
December 21 2020 00:38 GMT
#446
On December 21 2020 09:29 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2020 09:27 Solio wrote:
On December 21 2020 09:20 ZombieGrub wrote:
On December 21 2020 09:14 Solio wrote:
On December 21 2020 09:13 Zzzapper wrote:
On December 21 2020 09:10 Morbidius wrote:
Rotti is so bitter. ''Dark was inferior in micro and macro, he just chose the right builds!''

I don't think he said that? Just that Dark won on strats more than mechanics which I think is fair. And there's nothing wrong with that either


The damage control is hilarious


I mean, when did he say that lol.


https://clips.twitch.tv/HeadstrongViscousHyenaKAPOW


If you have a persecution complex on behalf of Koreans and interpret a comment saying that Dark out-strategized Serral as a put-down that's on you though.


Everyone is free to interpret what he said but don't tell me that he did not say that when what i wrote is exactly what he said.

It's damage control, obviously he was not going to say "dark is bad he got lucky" and i'm sure he acknowledges dark's win but we can clearly see he was a bit salty and wanted to find an explanation for serral losing, "he just got outplayed strategically, he still has the best mechanics, dark chose the best builds, even tho he lost he is still better" not to hate on rotti or anything but if dark had lost to serral like that i'm pretty sure it would have been different.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33390 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-12-21 00:39:59
December 21 2020 00:39 GMT
#447
On December 21 2020 09:35 Elentos wrote:
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On December 21 2020 09:29 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On December 21 2020 09:27 Solio wrote:
On December 21 2020 09:20 ZombieGrub wrote:
On December 21 2020 09:14 Solio wrote:
On December 21 2020 09:13 Zzzapper wrote:
On December 21 2020 09:10 Morbidius wrote:
Rotti is so bitter. ''Dark was inferior in micro and macro, he just chose the right builds!''

I don't think he said that? Just that Dark won on strats more than mechanics which I think is fair. And there's nothing wrong with that either


The damage control is hilarious


I mean, when did he say that lol.


https://clips.twitch.tv/HeadstrongViscousHyenaKAPOW


If you have a persecution complex on behalf of Koreans and interpret a comment saying that Dark out-strategized Serral as a put-down that's on you though.

I mean it's maybe a bit oversimplifying from Rotti to say Dark just won because of his strategic choices, but yeah you'd figure "He put the Strategy in RTS" would be understood as a compliment by most people.


When Protoss does it it's brilliant when Zerg does it it's dirty trickery.

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Jacenoob
Profile Joined August 2014
299 Posts
December 21 2020 00:39 GMT
#448
ZvZ feels like the most coinflippy matchup in the game. So much is just about secretly massing units and 50/50 surprising your opponent with them - or about 50-50 outgreeding your opponent. Serral goes 0-2 against Dark, then wins three in a row for a 3-2 win, then loses 4 in a row in the final. Also Elazer casually 3-0'ed Reynor. It is a lot of fun to watch when it gets going, but a lot is just buildorder coin-flipping.
Zzzapper
Profile Joined September 2011
1796 Posts
December 21 2020 00:43 GMT
#449
On December 21 2020 09:35 Elentos wrote:
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On December 21 2020 09:29 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On December 21 2020 09:27 Solio wrote:
On December 21 2020 09:20 ZombieGrub wrote:
On December 21 2020 09:14 Solio wrote:
On December 21 2020 09:13 Zzzapper wrote:
On December 21 2020 09:10 Morbidius wrote:
Rotti is so bitter. ''Dark was inferior in micro and macro, he just chose the right builds!''

I don't think he said that? Just that Dark won on strats more than mechanics which I think is fair. And there's nothing wrong with that either


The damage control is hilarious


I mean, when did he say that lol.


https://clips.twitch.tv/HeadstrongViscousHyenaKAPOW


If you have a persecution complex on behalf of Koreans and interpret a comment saying that Dark out-strategized Serral as a put-down that's on you though.

I mean it's maybe a bit oversimplifying from Rotti to say Dark just won because of his strategic choices, but yeah you'd figure "He put the Strategy in RTS" would be understood as a compliment by most people.

To be fair, if someone said that Firecake put the Time in RTS, I wouldn't read that as a compliment

ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
December 21 2020 00:44 GMT
#450
On December 21 2020 09:38 Solio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2020 09:29 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On December 21 2020 09:27 Solio wrote:
On December 21 2020 09:20 ZombieGrub wrote:
On December 21 2020 09:14 Solio wrote:
On December 21 2020 09:13 Zzzapper wrote:
On December 21 2020 09:10 Morbidius wrote:
Rotti is so bitter. ''Dark was inferior in micro and macro, he just chose the right builds!''

I don't think he said that? Just that Dark won on strats more than mechanics which I think is fair. And there's nothing wrong with that either


The damage control is hilarious


I mean, when did he say that lol.


https://clips.twitch.tv/HeadstrongViscousHyenaKAPOW


If you have a persecution complex on behalf of Koreans and interpret a comment saying that Dark out-strategized Serral as a put-down that's on you though.


Everyone is free to interpret what he said but don't tell me that he did not say that when what i wrote is exactly what he said.

It's damage control, obviously he was not going to say "dark is bad he got lucky" and i'm sure he acknowledges dark's win but we can clearly see he was a bit salty and wanted to find an explanation for serral losing, "he just got outplayed strategically, he still has the best mechanics, dark chose the best builds, even tho he lost he is still better" not to hate on rotti or anything but if dark had lost to serral like that i'm pretty sure it would have been different.


And if he had said that Dark had showed greater micro and macro you would still have called it damage control since that means "he thinks Serral is still the smarter player, Dark only won due to mechanics, even tho he lost he is still better".
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15961 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-12-21 00:45:21
December 21 2020 00:44 GMT
#451
On December 21 2020 09:38 Solio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2020 09:29 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On December 21 2020 09:27 Solio wrote:
On December 21 2020 09:20 ZombieGrub wrote:
On December 21 2020 09:14 Solio wrote:
On December 21 2020 09:13 Zzzapper wrote:
On December 21 2020 09:10 Morbidius wrote:
Rotti is so bitter. ''Dark was inferior in micro and macro, he just chose the right builds!''

I don't think he said that? Just that Dark won on strats more than mechanics which I think is fair. And there's nothing wrong with that either


The damage control is hilarious


I mean, when did he say that lol.


https://clips.twitch.tv/HeadstrongViscousHyenaKAPOW


If you have a persecution complex on behalf of Koreans and interpret a comment saying that Dark out-strategized Serral as a put-down that's on you though.


Everyone is free to interpret what he said but don't tell me that he did not say that when what i wrote is exactly what he said.

It's damage control, obviously he was not going to say "dark is bad he got lucky" and i'm sure he acknowledges dark's win but we can clearly see he was a bit salty and wanted to find an explanation for serral losing, "he just got outplayed strategically, he still has the best mechanics, dark chose the best builds, even tho he lost he is still better" not to hate on rotti or anything but if dark had lost to serral like that i'm pretty sure it would have been different.

he never said that Serral was superior mechanically though
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JoeCool
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany2520 Posts
December 21 2020 00:45 GMT
#452
Thank you ZombieGrub and Rotti for the amazing cast! You did a great job and made this one of the best tournaments this year
Solio
Profile Joined June 2016
France145 Posts
December 21 2020 00:45 GMT
#453
On December 21 2020 09:44 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2020 09:38 Solio wrote:
On December 21 2020 09:29 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On December 21 2020 09:27 Solio wrote:
On December 21 2020 09:20 ZombieGrub wrote:
On December 21 2020 09:14 Solio wrote:
On December 21 2020 09:13 Zzzapper wrote:
On December 21 2020 09:10 Morbidius wrote:
Rotti is so bitter. ''Dark was inferior in micro and macro, he just chose the right builds!''

I don't think he said that? Just that Dark won on strats more than mechanics which I think is fair. And there's nothing wrong with that either


The damage control is hilarious


I mean, when did he say that lol.


https://clips.twitch.tv/HeadstrongViscousHyenaKAPOW


If you have a persecution complex on behalf of Koreans and interpret a comment saying that Dark out-strategized Serral as a put-down that's on you though.


Everyone is free to interpret what he said but don't tell me that he did not say that when what i wrote is exactly what he said.

It's damage control, obviously he was not going to say "dark is bad he got lucky" and i'm sure he acknowledges dark's win but we can clearly see he was a bit salty and wanted to find an explanation for serral losing, "he just got outplayed strategically, he still has the best mechanics, dark chose the best builds, even tho he lost he is still better" not to hate on rotti or anything but if dark had lost to serral like that i'm pretty sure it would have been different.


And if he had said that Dark had showed greater micro and macro you would still have called it damage control since that means "he thinks Serral is still the smarter player, Dark only won due to mechanics, even tho he lost he is still better".



Obviously because Dark actually outplayed Serral in every single way in that final, thats why it was a 4-0.
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
December 21 2020 00:49 GMT
#454
On December 21 2020 09:45 Solio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2020 09:44 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On December 21 2020 09:38 Solio wrote:
On December 21 2020 09:29 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On December 21 2020 09:27 Solio wrote:
On December 21 2020 09:20 ZombieGrub wrote:
On December 21 2020 09:14 Solio wrote:
On December 21 2020 09:13 Zzzapper wrote:
On December 21 2020 09:10 Morbidius wrote:
Rotti is so bitter. ''Dark was inferior in micro and macro, he just chose the right builds!''

I don't think he said that? Just that Dark won on strats more than mechanics which I think is fair. And there's nothing wrong with that either


The damage control is hilarious


I mean, when did he say that lol.


https://clips.twitch.tv/HeadstrongViscousHyenaKAPOW


If you have a persecution complex on behalf of Koreans and interpret a comment saying that Dark out-strategized Serral as a put-down that's on you though.


Everyone is free to interpret what he said but don't tell me that he did not say that when what i wrote is exactly what he said.

It's damage control, obviously he was not going to say "dark is bad he got lucky" and i'm sure he acknowledges dark's win but we can clearly see he was a bit salty and wanted to find an explanation for serral losing, "he just got outplayed strategically, he still has the best mechanics, dark chose the best builds, even tho he lost he is still better" not to hate on rotti or anything but if dark had lost to serral like that i'm pretty sure it would have been different.


And if he had said that Dark had showed greater micro and macro you would still have called it damage control since that means "he thinks Serral is still the smarter player, Dark only won due to mechanics, even tho he lost he is still better".



Obviously because Dark actually outplayed Serral in every single way in that final, thats why it was a 4-0.


Where did you actually see the outplay tho? Even/inferior situations decided by better engagements?
What Rotti says is essentially correct.
Zzzapper
Profile Joined September 2011
1796 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-12-21 00:49:26
December 21 2020 00:49 GMT
#455
On December 21 2020 09:45 Solio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2020 09:44 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On December 21 2020 09:38 Solio wrote:
On December 21 2020 09:29 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On December 21 2020 09:27 Solio wrote:
On December 21 2020 09:20 ZombieGrub wrote:
On December 21 2020 09:14 Solio wrote:
On December 21 2020 09:13 Zzzapper wrote:
On December 21 2020 09:10 Morbidius wrote:
Rotti is so bitter. ''Dark was inferior in micro and macro, he just chose the right builds!''

I don't think he said that? Just that Dark won on strats more than mechanics which I think is fair. And there's nothing wrong with that either


The damage control is hilarious


I mean, when did he say that lol.


https://clips.twitch.tv/HeadstrongViscousHyenaKAPOW


If you have a persecution complex on behalf of Koreans and interpret a comment saying that Dark out-strategized Serral as a put-down that's on you though.


Everyone is free to interpret what he said but don't tell me that he did not say that when what i wrote is exactly what he said.

It's damage control, obviously he was not going to say "dark is bad he got lucky" and i'm sure he acknowledges dark's win but we can clearly see he was a bit salty and wanted to find an explanation for serral losing, "he just got outplayed strategically, he still has the best mechanics, dark chose the best builds, even tho he lost he is still better" not to hate on rotti or anything but if dark had lost to serral like that i'm pretty sure it would have been different.


And if he had said that Dark had showed greater micro and macro you would still have called it damage control since that means "he thinks Serral is still the smarter player, Dark only won due to mechanics, even tho he lost he is still better".



Obviously because Dark actually outplayed Serral in every single way in that final, thats why it was a 4-0.

Incredible damage control, you're selling Dark short by not mentioning that he also outplayed Byun in every single way, giving him important momentum going into the finals. He didn't just outplay Serral in every single way, he also outplayed him in the meta-series
Solio
Profile Joined June 2016
France145 Posts
December 21 2020 00:54 GMT
#456
On December 21 2020 09:49 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2020 09:45 Solio wrote:
On December 21 2020 09:44 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On December 21 2020 09:38 Solio wrote:
On December 21 2020 09:29 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On December 21 2020 09:27 Solio wrote:
On December 21 2020 09:20 ZombieGrub wrote:
On December 21 2020 09:14 Solio wrote:
On December 21 2020 09:13 Zzzapper wrote:
On December 21 2020 09:10 Morbidius wrote:
Rotti is so bitter. ''Dark was inferior in micro and macro, he just chose the right builds!''

I don't think he said that? Just that Dark won on strats more than mechanics which I think is fair. And there's nothing wrong with that either


The damage control is hilarious


I mean, when did he say that lol.


https://clips.twitch.tv/HeadstrongViscousHyenaKAPOW


If you have a persecution complex on behalf of Koreans and interpret a comment saying that Dark out-strategized Serral as a put-down that's on you though.


Everyone is free to interpret what he said but don't tell me that he did not say that when what i wrote is exactly what he said.

It's damage control, obviously he was not going to say "dark is bad he got lucky" and i'm sure he acknowledges dark's win but we can clearly see he was a bit salty and wanted to find an explanation for serral losing, "he just got outplayed strategically, he still has the best mechanics, dark chose the best builds, even tho he lost he is still better" not to hate on rotti or anything but if dark had lost to serral like that i'm pretty sure it would have been different.


And if he had said that Dark had showed greater micro and macro you would still have called it damage control since that means "he thinks Serral is still the smarter player, Dark only won due to mechanics, even tho he lost he is still better".



Obviously because Dark actually outplayed Serral in every single way in that final, thats why it was a 4-0.


Where did you actually see the outplay tho? Even/inferior situations decided by better engagements?
What Rotti says is essentially correct.


In the last game for example when he held the all in even tho he only scouted it at the last time when he saw the lings running across the map, he held it perfectly and it had nothing to do with a bo win or a better choice of strategy.

I don't want to offend you but if you can't see Dark outplaying Serral in the 4-0 we just saw there is nothing we can do for you, maybe Serral has to loose 50-0 for you to see him getting outplayed.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15961 Posts
December 21 2020 01:00 GMT
#457
On December 21 2020 09:54 Solio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2020 09:49 Xain0n wrote:
On December 21 2020 09:45 Solio wrote:
On December 21 2020 09:44 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On December 21 2020 09:38 Solio wrote:
On December 21 2020 09:29 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On December 21 2020 09:27 Solio wrote:
On December 21 2020 09:20 ZombieGrub wrote:
On December 21 2020 09:14 Solio wrote:
On December 21 2020 09:13 Zzzapper wrote:
[quote]
I don't think he said that? Just that Dark won on strats more than mechanics which I think is fair. And there's nothing wrong with that either


The damage control is hilarious


I mean, when did he say that lol.


https://clips.twitch.tv/HeadstrongViscousHyenaKAPOW


If you have a persecution complex on behalf of Koreans and interpret a comment saying that Dark out-strategized Serral as a put-down that's on you though.


Everyone is free to interpret what he said but don't tell me that he did not say that when what i wrote is exactly what he said.

It's damage control, obviously he was not going to say "dark is bad he got lucky" and i'm sure he acknowledges dark's win but we can clearly see he was a bit salty and wanted to find an explanation for serral losing, "he just got outplayed strategically, he still has the best mechanics, dark chose the best builds, even tho he lost he is still better" not to hate on rotti or anything but if dark had lost to serral like that i'm pretty sure it would have been different.


And if he had said that Dark had showed greater micro and macro you would still have called it damage control since that means "he thinks Serral is still the smarter player, Dark only won due to mechanics, even tho he lost he is still better".



Obviously because Dark actually outplayed Serral in every single way in that final, thats why it was a 4-0.


Where did you actually see the outplay tho? Even/inferior situations decided by better engagements?
What Rotti says is essentially correct.


In the last game for example when he held the all in even tho he only scouted it at the last time when he saw the lings running across the map, he held it perfectly and it had nothing to do with a bo win or a better choice of strategy.

I don't want to offend you but if you can't see Dark outplaying Serral in the 4-0 we just saw there is nothing we can do for you, maybe Serral has to loose 50-0 for you to see him getting outplayed.

I guess you're not entirely wrong about what Rotti said but I don't think his intention was to sell Dark short or that this is worth getting upset about. Just not a big deal
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Profile Joined December 2017
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December 21 2020 01:06 GMT
#458
On December 21 2020 09:49 Xain0n wrote:
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On December 21 2020 09:45 Solio wrote:
On December 21 2020 09:44 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On December 21 2020 09:38 Solio wrote:
On December 21 2020 09:29 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On December 21 2020 09:27 Solio wrote:
On December 21 2020 09:20 ZombieGrub wrote:
On December 21 2020 09:14 Solio wrote:
On December 21 2020 09:13 Zzzapper wrote:
On December 21 2020 09:10 Morbidius wrote:
Rotti is so bitter. ''Dark was inferior in micro and macro, he just chose the right builds!''

I don't think he said that? Just that Dark won on strats more than mechanics which I think is fair. And there's nothing wrong with that either


The damage control is hilarious


I mean, when did he say that lol.


https://clips.twitch.tv/HeadstrongViscousHyenaKAPOW


If you have a persecution complex on behalf of Koreans and interpret a comment saying that Dark out-strategized Serral as a put-down that's on you though.


Everyone is free to interpret what he said but don't tell me that he did not say that when what i wrote is exactly what he said.

It's damage control, obviously he was not going to say "dark is bad he got lucky" and i'm sure he acknowledges dark's win but we can clearly see he was a bit salty and wanted to find an explanation for serral losing, "he just got outplayed strategically, he still has the best mechanics, dark chose the best builds, even tho he lost he is still better" not to hate on rotti or anything but if dark had lost to serral like that i'm pretty sure it would have been different.


And if he had said that Dark had showed greater micro and macro you would still have called it damage control since that means "he thinks Serral is still the smarter player, Dark only won due to mechanics, even tho he lost he is still better".



Obviously because Dark actually outplayed Serral in every single way in that final, thats why it was a 4-0.


Where did you actually see the outplay tho? Even/inferior situations decided by better engagements?
What Rotti says is essentially correct.


dude you're biased.
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
December 21 2020 01:12 GMT
#459
Mah, maybe.
I still stand by Rotti's side, Dark's victory was first and foremost a matter of better strategies and better builds; Serral's gameplan however was so insanely bad that I'm shocked, I didn't think I'd have ever watched him play like that.

He's a god, he'll play better the next time.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33390 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-12-21 01:14:50
December 21 2020 01:14 GMT
#460
On December 21 2020 10:00 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2020 09:54 Solio wrote:
On December 21 2020 09:49 Xain0n wrote:
On December 21 2020 09:45 Solio wrote:
On December 21 2020 09:44 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On December 21 2020 09:38 Solio wrote:
On December 21 2020 09:29 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On December 21 2020 09:27 Solio wrote:
On December 21 2020 09:20 ZombieGrub wrote:
On December 21 2020 09:14 Solio wrote:
[quote]

The damage control is hilarious


I mean, when did he say that lol.


https://clips.twitch.tv/HeadstrongViscousHyenaKAPOW


If you have a persecution complex on behalf of Koreans and interpret a comment saying that Dark out-strategized Serral as a put-down that's on you though.


Everyone is free to interpret what he said but don't tell me that he did not say that when what i wrote is exactly what he said.

It's damage control, obviously he was not going to say "dark is bad he got lucky" and i'm sure he acknowledges dark's win but we can clearly see he was a bit salty and wanted to find an explanation for serral losing, "he just got outplayed strategically, he still has the best mechanics, dark chose the best builds, even tho he lost he is still better" not to hate on rotti or anything but if dark had lost to serral like that i'm pretty sure it would have been different.


And if he had said that Dark had showed greater micro and macro you would still have called it damage control since that means "he thinks Serral is still the smarter player, Dark only won due to mechanics, even tho he lost he is still better".



Obviously because Dark actually outplayed Serral in every single way in that final, thats why it was a 4-0.


Where did you actually see the outplay tho? Even/inferior situations decided by better engagements?
What Rotti says is essentially correct.


In the last game for example when he held the all in even tho he only scouted it at the last time when he saw the lings running across the map, he held it perfectly and it had nothing to do with a bo win or a better choice of strategy.

I don't want to offend you but if you can't see Dark outplaying Serral in the 4-0 we just saw there is nothing we can do for you, maybe Serral has to loose 50-0 for you to see him getting outplayed.

I guess you're not entirely wrong about what Rotti said but I don't think his intention was to sell Dark short or that this is worth getting upset about. Just not a big deal


For like a year+ now, I would have picked Serral as the most likely to win before the start of basically every tournament. That's not to say I picked him against the ENTIRE field, but he just had the relative best chance to win out of all the players. I'm sure a lot of ppl agreed, and in a sense, that makes him the 'best' and 'most skilled' player in the world for some time now.

At the same time, you do have to actually WIN at the end of the day to validate your skill—even if we acknowledge that SC2 is subject to a lot of variance and unexpected results. The trophies have to matter at the end of the day, even if they don't mean everything.

That doesn't directly address whatever argument u guys are having but I just wanted to share my tangentially related thoughts
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