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On December 09 2020 19:10 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2020 19:07 RKC wrote:
Loving Dark's refugee Zerg style. Not sure if it's really optimal, but quite a refreshing watch. TY ghost play too strong! Lurker is a pretty beefy unit, but pretty costly and he was losing them left and right. It could be optimal with some caster(be it neural or blinding cloud), but his runs into siege tanks are affordable only if he has better income.
Would lurk-nydus play work when Zerg income is struggling?
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On December 09 2020 19:12 Whatson wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2020 19:05 deacon.frost wrote:On December 09 2020 19:02 MarianoSC2 wrote:
This is what I was talking about. Dark is just not a top Zerg right now, and TY is way smarter. Dark would have won some time ago if he built vipers and controlled his army better. I don't see the genious moves, I see TY ouplaying Dark and being better, but not exactly way samrter. I think you look at games 2-4 and see how TY was able to adapt his playstyle, army comps, and engagements to his opponent. To me Dark didn't change up anything after TY figured out how to play against what he was doing.
Well, so WAY SMARTER means a player is able to adapt to his opponent play? That's quite a low bar IMO  Like don't get me wrong, I loved how TY adapted and played, but in my eyes that's expected from the pros.
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TY always plays on a high worker count and loves the late game. It feels like Dark's style virtually guaranteed the game going late with terran at least even due to his inability to kill air units or prevent bio from lifting out of bad engagements.
I think Dark's style might kill Innovation, but I don't see how it makes sense against TY.
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This is way smarter play!
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On December 09 2020 19:15 deacon.frost wrote:
This is way smarter play!
Playing out of his mind!
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zest and trap were cursed to go up against this LMAO
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On December 09 2020 19:14 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2020 19:12 Whatson wrote:On December 09 2020 19:05 deacon.frost wrote:On December 09 2020 19:02 MarianoSC2 wrote:
This is what I was talking about. Dark is just not a top Zerg right now, and TY is way smarter. Dark would have won some time ago if he built vipers and controlled his army better. I don't see the genious moves, I see TY ouplaying Dark and being better, but not exactly way samrter. I think you look at games 2-4 and see how TY was able to adapt his playstyle, army comps, and engagements to his opponent. To me Dark didn't change up anything after TY figured out how to play against what he was doing. Well, so WAY SMARTER means a player is able to adapt to his opponent play? That's quite a low bar IMO Like don't get me wrong, I loved how TY adapted and played, but in my eyes that's expected from the pros.
Well, yeah I expect that too - but just look at what happened to Dark lol. Needless to say, some players can figure out stuff on the fly, others not so much.
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On December 09 2020 19:18 Whatson wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2020 19:14 deacon.frost wrote:On December 09 2020 19:12 Whatson wrote:On December 09 2020 19:05 deacon.frost wrote:On December 09 2020 19:02 MarianoSC2 wrote:
This is what I was talking about. Dark is just not a top Zerg right now, and TY is way smarter. Dark would have won some time ago if he built vipers and controlled his army better. I don't see the genious moves, I see TY ouplaying Dark and being better, but not exactly way samrter. I think you look at games 2-4 and see how TY was able to adapt his playstyle, army comps, and engagements to his opponent. To me Dark didn't change up anything after TY figured out how to play against what he was doing. Well, so WAY SMARTER means a player is able to adapt to his opponent play? That's quite a low bar IMO Like don't get me wrong, I loved how TY adapted and played, but in my eyes that's expected from the pros. Well, yeah I expect that too - but just look at what happened to Dark lol. Needless to say, some players can figure out stuff on the fly, others not so much.
Aw yeah, reminds me of Parting doing 2 base blink all in like every other PvT in HotS(not just during the blink era) and no matter how much damage he did he continued in it until either Terran broke or he did 
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I can see how some, cough, diamond players try this build and nothing will happen because diamond players won't read that much into it
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sOs is such a treat. Can you imagine if he had the mechanics of a Trap or Stats or Classic?
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PvP in its finest, proxy everything.
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sOs is going to son Trap isn't he
poor trap
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On December 09 2020 19:23 irvnasty wrote:
sOs is such a treat. Can you imagine if he had the mechanics of a Trap or Stats or Classic?
sOs is a 2x blizzcon champion and beat guys like Life at the biggest stage and went toe-to-toe with prime innovation
sOs had the mechanics
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On December 09 2020 19:25 BerserkSword wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2020 19:23 irvnasty wrote:
sOs is such a treat. Can you imagine if he had the mechanics of a Trap or Stats or Classic? sOs is a 2x blizzcon champion and beat guys like Life at the biggest stage and went toe-to-toe with prime innovation sOs had the mechanics
Tbf hots was way slower than lotv.
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On December 09 2020 19:25 BerserkSword wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2020 19:23 irvnasty wrote:
sOs is such a treat. Can you imagine if he had the mechanics of a Trap or Stats or Classic? sOs is a 2x blizzcon champion and beat guys like Life at the biggest stage and went toe-to-toe with prime innovation sOs had the mechanics
He was never the best in them though. And with LotV accelerated start his mind games are less effective IMO
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On December 09 2020 19:28 darklycid wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2020 19:25 BerserkSword wrote:On December 09 2020 19:23 irvnasty wrote:
sOs is such a treat. Can you imagine if he had the mechanics of a Trap or Stats or Classic? sOs is a 2x blizzcon champion and beat guys like Life at the biggest stage and went toe-to-toe with prime innovation sOs had the mechanics Tbf hots was way slower than lotv.
Fairly certain prime Innovation also refers to 2017 season.
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On December 09 2020 19:23 deacon.frost wrote:I can see how some, cough, diamond players try this build and nothing will happen because diamond players won't read that much into it
Can confirm. I'm diamond and I would've queued-move the scouting Probe around the main.
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lol, Trap is like - dude, this is my proxy place, how dare you place pylon there
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sOs displayed immaculate micro vs Life and was able to take it to game 7 in a series littered with macro games against macro machine Innovation
maybe sOs is not the GOAT in mechanics but prime sOs was no less than any modern protoss mechanically imo
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