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Super Tournament 2
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Format
- Single-elimination bracket:
- Round of 16 are Bo5.
- Quarterfinals are Bo5.
- Semifinals are Bo5.
- Finals are Bo7.
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Quarterfinals
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[GSL 2020] Super Tournament 2 - Quarterfinals
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
Poll: TY vs Dark TY Wins (24) Dark Wins (11) 35 total votes Your vote: TY vs Dark Poll: sOs vs Trap Trap Wins (25) sOs Wins (12) 37 total votes Your vote: sOs vs Trap Poll: Stats vs INnoVation Stats Wins (20) INnoVation Wins (14) 34 total votes Your vote: Stats vs INnoVation | ||
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vult
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Argonauta
Spain4948 Posts
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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
On December 08 2020 07:47 Argonauta wrote: Ex Jin air teamkill incoming! sOs vs Trap and Mary vs Rogue is going to be wild! I do expect Trap taking notes about invisible dudes appearing at random times though. Speaking of Trap and dts that series he lost vs herO at Katowice 2019 is still one of the most hilarious series I’ve ever watched | ||
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Zambrah
United States7316 Posts
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irvnasty
United States211 Posts
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Argonauta
Spain4948 Posts
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
On December 09 2020 17:09 Argonauta wrote: aaah zoom meeting in one screen and korean starcraft in the other. The very definition of 2020 Same here | ||
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Durnuu
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Argonauta
Spain4948 Posts
On December 09 2020 17:14 Durnuu wrote: Dark making roaches, a classic he jsut need to tech into corrupters | ||
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Andi_Goldberger
Germany1608 Posts
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
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FuRong
New Zealand3089 Posts
On December 09 2020 17:14 Durnuu wrote: Dark making roaches, a classic Dark and roaches is an even more iconic duo than Serral and running LBM into mines. | ||
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
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Durnuu
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On December 09 2020 17:09 Argonauta wrote: aaah zoom meeting in one screen and korean starcraft in the other. The very definition of 2020 Teams meeting, 2 PCs (working laptop and home ex-gaming PC(cannot launch modern games, but is fine to run SC2 on high(or ultra? don't know, don't care)  | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4948 Posts
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Sif_
Brazil3106 Posts
actually seems like he cant beat lurker viper lol | ||
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Andi_Goldberger
Germany1608 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On December 09 2020 17:46 Andi_Goldberger wrote: does tasteless realize lurkers have a fast burrow upgrade? lol The last stream he called out warping in the Citadel of Adun. There's no upgrade in the BW | ||
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Sif_
Brazil3106 Posts
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NoS-Craig
Australia3116 Posts
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sudete
Singapore3054 Posts
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irvnasty
United States211 Posts
you're wrong. | ||
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
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Whatson
United States5356 Posts
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Sif_
Brazil3106 Posts
this game is gonna end the same way, ty with a really winning position sitting until dark gets 40 lurkers | ||
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NoS-Craig
Australia3116 Posts
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Sif_
Brazil3106 Posts
On December 09 2020 18:13 NoS-Craig wrote: I think this game might end up like game 2. Already has, zerg cant lose from this point | ||
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
This isn't Jagganatha, and the Terran army is still always going to be cost effective here unless Terran messes up. | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
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Sif_
Brazil3106 Posts
On December 09 2020 18:19 Ciaus_Dronu wrote: This isn't Jagganatha, and the Terran army is still always going to be cost effective here unless Terran messes up. I think its more about the zerg messing up if he gets to this point. TY is getting better engagements for the past several minutes, dark is running in with ling+bane+lurker without any vipers | ||
Poopi
France12886 Posts
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Sif_
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NoS-Craig
Australia3116 Posts
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
On December 09 2020 18:24 Sif_ wrote: Im just a bit salty about Dark because Byun was destroying him handily before his wrists gave up Dark has wrist issues as well but since he's not Terran or ByuN people don't talk about it  | ||
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Poopi
France12886 Posts
On December 09 2020 18:25 Durnuu wrote: Dark has wrist issues as well but since he's not Terran or ByuN people don't talk about it Well he didn't need to pause games did he | ||
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Sif_
Brazil3106 Posts
On December 09 2020 18:25 Durnuu wrote: Dark has wrist issues as well but since he's not Terran or ByuN people don't talk about it I dont think it ever happened live like with Byun twice recently... | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4948 Posts
On December 09 2020 18:22 MarianoSC2 wrote: TY is so insanely smart. In some of these trades TY is barely losing a unit a Dark loses whole armies. I think TY easily has it now its not being smart, it is having the mechanics to pull it off | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
On December 09 2020 18:28 Sif_ wrote: I dont think it ever happened live like with Byun twice recently... So you need to complain about it for people to take it seriously? | ||
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
On December 09 2020 18:23 Sif_ wrote: I think its more about the zerg messing up if he gets to this point. TY is getting better engagements for the past several minutes, dark is running in with ling+bane+lurker without any vipers I don't see how you think that. On any map that isn't huge, splitting the bases in this situation is nearly a sufficient win condition for Terran. The Terran army here is cheaper, has lots of potential to make pickoffs with snipe, and Terran can more easily hold ground with static defence. If they split bases 50-50 and just keep trading, Zerg never wins this. It's not an 'only Maru can do this' or 'zerg has to mess up' or whatever other else. Lurker viper is strong, sure, but once the armies get big enough and the ghost and tank counts are high, Zerg cannot trade efficiently and must deny mining to win. | ||
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darklycid
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Sif_
Brazil3106 Posts
On December 09 2020 18:28 Durnuu wrote: So you need to complain about it for people to take it seriously? Is that your takeaway from this? lol | ||
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NoS-Craig
Australia3116 Posts
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
My takeaway from this is that ByuN is a special snowflake who is the only person who needs to pause during a game, but not during asus ROG Not even Mvp or Maru ever needed that | ||
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Poopi
France12886 Posts
Hopefully INno and Maru do well | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On December 09 2020 18:28 Sif_ wrote: I dont think it ever happened live like with Byun twice recently... And he's not playing less. Every doctor will tell you, that you need to rest the wrists in such condition, but ByuN is playing like he's healthy, every tournament and he's in. Should we actually care if he does not? Also Dark is playing a different style cause of his wrists(probably), ByuN adapted how? Is he playing mech? Nah, microing like the usual. | ||
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Poopi
France12886 Posts
On December 09 2020 18:34 deacon.frost wrote: And he's not playing less. Every doctor will tell you, that you need to rest the wrists in such condition, but ByuN is playing like he's healthy, every tournament and he's in. Should we actually care if he does not? Also Dark is playing a different style cause of his wrists(probably), ByuN adapted how? Is he playing mech? Nah, microing like the usual. You can't play mech successfuly whereas you can win games with lurkers, what is your point? | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4948 Posts
On December 09 2020 18:39 Poopi wrote: You can't play mech successfuly whereas you can win games with lurkers, what is your point? I guess his point is that Maru shows less fo the crazy multitask midgame that he used to do and more lategame turtling because of his wrist issues? | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On December 09 2020 18:39 Poopi wrote: You can't play mech successfuly whereas you can win games with lurkers, what is your point? My point? Everybody is crazy about ByuN's wrists while he seems like he doesn't care until they're broken so much he cannot play at that point. Other players are silent and nobody cares. Maybe a little bit caring about the rest as well? | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
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Poopi
France12886 Posts
On December 09 2020 18:41 deacon.frost wrote: My point? Everybody is crazy about ByuN's wrists while he seems like he doesn't care until they're broken so much he cannot play at that point. Other players are silent and nobody cares. Maybe a little bit caring about the rest as well? I care about Maru and other progamers wrists too. Looks like TY is in trouble this game, hopefully fifth map is not too bad for him | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On December 09 2020 18:44 Poopi wrote: I care about Maru and other progamers wrists too. Looks like TY is in trouble this game, hopefully fifth map is not too bad for him Well I wasn't reacting to you originally But it appears to me that ByuN fans care more about his wrists than he does. | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
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darklycid
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On December 09 2020 18:51 BerserkSword wrote: TIL tasteless doesnt know that lurkers outrange planetaries Is Tasteless playing SC2 anymore? I know he plays BW a lot, but there are different lurkers and no planetaries | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
On December 09 2020 18:28 Argonauta wrote: its not being smart, it is having the mechanics to pull it off That too of course but what TY is showing so far would not be enough against better Zergs. Dark unit comps and control are abysmal. TY just has the right units to counter what Dark is doing he really does not have to do anything that special. Take game 3 as an example. Serral or Reynor would easily destroy TY from that position. | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On December 09 2020 18:52 deacon.frost wrote: Is Tasteless playing SC2 anymore? I know he plays BW a lot, but there are different lurkers and no planetaries my thoughts exactly i honestly dont think he plays sc2 lol, and even when he did he was only diamond iirc he's on fire comedy wise tonight though lmao | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On December 09 2020 18:53 MarianoSC2 wrote: That too of course but what TY is showing so far would not be enough against better Zergs. Dark unit comps and control are abysmal. TY just has the right units to counter what Dark is doing he really does not have to do anything that special. Take game 3 as an example. Serral or Reynor would easily destroy TY from that position. Not sure, Serral been in a similar position against ByuN and lost. | ||
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Sif_
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Poopi
France12886 Posts
On December 09 2020 18:54 BerserkSword wrote: my thoughts exactly i honestly dont think he plays sc2 lol, and even when he did he was only diamond iirc he's on fire comedy wise tonight though lmao He did well in the casters tournaments in LotV, like high masters or low GM level. | ||
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darklycid
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On December 09 2020 18:55 Sif_ wrote: Dark has no mineral income Dark's dead without vipers. Because tanks are so strong. | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On December 09 2020 18:57 Poopi wrote: He did well in the casters tournaments in LotV, like high masters or low GM level. well color me impressed. to be fair though, in BW he has the mechanics to beat guys like special (in BW). he's not mechanically challenged | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On December 09 2020 19:00 BerserkSword wrote: well color me impressed. to be fair though, in BW he has the mechanics to beat guys like special (in BW). he's not mechanically challenged Aw yeah, he's mechanically still very good. | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
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NoS-Craig
Australia3116 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On December 09 2020 19:02 MarianoSC2 wrote: This is what I was talking about. Dark is just not a top Zerg right now, and TY is way smarter. Dark would have won some time ago if he built vipers and controlled his army better. I don't see the genious moves, I see TY ouplaying Dark and being better, but not exactly way samrter. | ||
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Poopi
France12886 Posts
Let's see who does best among the former Jin Air players now :o | ||
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Whatson
United States5356 Posts
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RKC
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Durnuu
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irvnasty
United States211 Posts
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RKC
2848 Posts
On December 09 2020 19:08 Durnuu wrote: Pretty odd that Dark never plays LBM in a meta where it's pretty popular. But I like his style IKR? I kinda miss his baneling play (especially drops). But I guess his wrist injury is hindering his high APM play? | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On December 09 2020 19:07 RKC wrote: Loving Dark's refugee Zerg style. Not sure if it's really optimal, but quite a refreshing watch. TY ghost play too strong! Lurker is a pretty beefy unit, but pretty costly and he was losing them left and right. It could be optimal with some caster(be it neural or blinding cloud), but his runs into siege tanks are affordable only if he has better income. | ||
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Whatson
United States5356 Posts
On December 09 2020 19:05 deacon.frost wrote: I don't see the genious moves, I see TY ouplaying Dark and being better, but not exactly way samrter. I think you look at games 2-4 and see how TY was able to adapt his playstyle, army comps, and engagements to his opponent. To me Dark didn't change up anything after TY figured out how to play against what he was doing. | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
On December 09 2020 19:10 deacon.frost wrote: Lurker is a pretty beefy unit, but pretty costly and he was losing them left and right. It could be optimal with some caster(be it neural or blinding cloud), but his runs into siege tanks are affordable only if he has better income. Would lurk-nydus play work when Zerg income is struggling? | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On December 09 2020 19:12 Whatson wrote: I think you look at games 2-4 and see how TY was able to adapt his playstyle, army comps, and engagements to his opponent. To me Dark didn't change up anything after TY figured out how to play against what he was doing. Well, so WAY SMARTER means a player is able to adapt to his opponent play? That's quite a low bar IMO Like don't get me wrong, I loved how TY adapted and played, but in my eyes that's expected from the pros. | ||
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irvnasty
United States211 Posts
I think Dark's style might kill Innovation, but I don't see how it makes sense against TY. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
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Durnuu
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On December 09 2020 19:15 deacon.frost wrote: This is way smarter play! Playing out of his mind! | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
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Whatson
United States5356 Posts
On December 09 2020 19:14 deacon.frost wrote: Well, so WAY SMARTER means a player is able to adapt to his opponent play? That's quite a low bar IMO Like don't get me wrong, I loved how TY adapted and played, but in my eyes that's expected from the pros. Well, yeah I expect that too - but just look at what happened to Dark lol. Needless to say, some players can figure out stuff on the fly, others not so much. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On December 09 2020 19:18 Whatson wrote: Well, yeah I expect that too - but just look at what happened to Dark lol. Needless to say, some players can figure out stuff on the fly, others not so much. Aw yeah, reminds me of Parting doing 2 base blink all in like every other PvT in HotS(not just during the blink era) and no matter how much damage he did he continued in it until either Terran broke or he did | ||
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EzioAs
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
try this build and nothing will happen because diamond players won't read that much into it | ||
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irvnasty
United States211 Posts
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
poor trap | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On December 09 2020 19:23 irvnasty wrote: sOs is such a treat. Can you imagine if he had the mechanics of a Trap or Stats or Classic? sOs is a 2x blizzcon champion and beat guys like Life at the biggest stage and went toe-to-toe with prime innovation sOs had the mechanics | ||
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darklycid
3511 Posts
On December 09 2020 19:25 BerserkSword wrote: sOs is a 2x blizzcon champion and beat guys like Life at the biggest stage and went toe-to-toe with prime innovation sOs had the mechanics Tbf hots was way slower than lotv. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On December 09 2020 19:25 BerserkSword wrote: sOs is a 2x blizzcon champion and beat guys like Life at the biggest stage and went toe-to-toe with prime innovation sOs had the mechanics He was never the best in them though. And with LotV accelerated start his mind games are less effective IMO | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
Fairly certain prime Innovation also refers to 2017 season. | ||
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EzioAs
235 Posts
On December 09 2020 19:23 deacon.frost wrote: I can see how some, cough, diamond players try this build and nothing will happen because diamond players won't read that much into it Can confirm. I'm diamond and I would've queued-move the scouting Probe around the main. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
maybe sOs is not the GOAT in mechanics but prime sOs was no less than any modern protoss mechanically imo | ||
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irvnasty
United States211 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On December 09 2020 19:32 BerserkSword wrote: sOs displayed immaculate micro vs Life and was able to take it to game 7 in a series littered with macro games against macro machine Innovation maybe sOs is not the GOAT in mechanics but prime sOs was no less than any modern protoss mechanically imo The issue is that sOs was never the best in mechanics. Don't read it as he's being shit. he's not, but mechanics got much more importance in LotV and it appears others adapted better than him. | ||
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SmoKim
Denmark10305 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
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irvnasty
United States211 Posts
On December 09 2020 19:41 lolfail9001 wrote: Wait, is sOs trying to counter stalkers with adepts? Does that even work? With a couple immortals and guardian shield, it sort of worked, but sOs never got a critical mass of immortals. | ||
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United States211 Posts
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Italy991 Posts
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2449 Posts
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On December 09 2020 19:53 IeZaeL wrote: My boy sOs then u see trap and sos sharing a laugh after, no longer on same team fuaaaaaaa | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
On December 09 2020 19:54 EzioAs wrote: I knew sOs was gonna mind game himself so much vs Trap. I think he feels like he's vastly inferior to Trap in PvP in some ways, which I don't believe to be true. I don't see the need to proxy stuff so much and just let it flow into a 2-base or 3-base PvP which he's still pretty good at. Spending the last (8?) years in a teamhouse with Trap, I guess he disagrees with you and just knows Trap is a lot better. Zest is better as well, he just screwed himself over by skipping detection against sOs of all people... | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
OTOH is he cursing Stats by saying he will win when Stats collects 2nd places? :D | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16071 Posts
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darklycid
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darklycid
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e: i think he just turned his brain off. | ||
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TheCheapSkate
Slovenia316 Posts
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darklycid
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On December 09 2020 20:23 BerserkSword wrote: cant believe inno just did fast ghost + scv pull against shield of aiur's phoenix colossus Tbf it could have worked if he didn't go through the smallest choke with scvs blocked behind his bio. | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On December 09 2020 20:24 darklycid wrote: Tbf it could have worked if he didn't go through the smallest choke with scvs blocked behind his bio. it couldve worked if it wasnt against the greatest defensive protoss of LotV and innovation wasnt past his prime i dont get it. | ||
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darklycid
3511 Posts
On December 09 2020 20:25 BerserkSword wrote: it couldve worked if it wasnt against the greatest defensive protoss of LotV and innovation wasnt past his prime i dont get it. Even under that circumstances it could have worked imo, but then inno did what he did and looked like a diamond player :D | ||
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DBooN
Germany2727 Posts
On December 09 2020 20:25 BerserkSword wrote: it couldve worked if it wasnt against the greatest defensive protoss of LotV and innovation wasnt past his prime i dont get it. To be fair, every korean progamer is past their prime. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16071 Posts
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On December 09 2020 20:26 darklycid wrote: Even under that circumstances it could have worked imo, but then inno did what he did and looked like a diamond player :D i mean stats made dream look like a diamond player. Stats is a monster strategy wise i dont understand what inno was doing. the fundamental counter to phoenix colossus is macro'ing up, and inno ignored it and all-in'ed with ghosts vs the shield of aiur doesn't make sense imo but maybe someone can provide more insight | ||
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darklycid
3511 Posts
On December 09 2020 20:27 BerserkSword wrote: i mean stats made dream look like a diamond player. Stats is a monster strategy wise i dont understand what inno was doing. the fundamental counter to phoenix colossus is macro'ing up, and inno ignored it and all-in'ed with ghosts vs the shield of aiur doesn't make sense imo but maybe someone can provide more insight Inno probably doesn't feel too great about his macro and well scv pull vs phoenix colossus isn't too bad, but that was absolutely horrible execution and not so much on Stats being great (which he is) imo. | ||
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On December 09 2020 20:30 darklycid wrote: Inno probably doesn't feel too great about his macro and well scv pull vs phoenix colossus isn't too bad, but that was absolutely horrible execution and not so much on Stats being great (which he is) imo. dude scv pull WITH FAST GHOST is garbo vs phoenix colossus.....especially after battery overcharge | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
macro + more vikigns | ||
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darklycid
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Vindicare605
United States16071 Posts
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darklycid
3511 Posts
On December 09 2020 20:31 BerserkSword wrote: dude scv pull WITH FAST GHOST is garbo vs phoenix colossus.....especially after battery overcharge Also i disagree, vs Stats style with faster archons the ghosts are pretty decent (also help vs sentries forcefileding you off), it was basically all about innos omegalul move of going up the ramp like this. | ||
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NoS-Craig
Australia3116 Posts
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darklycid
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Durnuu
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On December 09 2020 20:41 darklycid wrote: protoss lategame armies look kinda garbo in situations like these To be fair there is no protoss lategame without psi storm | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On December 09 2020 20:36 darklycid wrote: Also i disagree, vs Stats style with faster archons the ghosts are pretty decent (also help vs sentries forcefileding you off), it was basically all about innos omegalul move of going up the ramp like this. it had nothign to do with moving up a ramp stats would beat inno in that fight in any scenario | ||
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darklycid
3511 Posts
On December 09 2020 20:42 BerserkSword wrote: it had nothign to do with moving up a ramp stats would beat inno in that fight in any scenario Let's agree to disagree then :D Also why did inno scv pull when he can just win in macro (smth terrans always say is impossible if you're not maru ) | ||
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NoS-Craig
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StasisField
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RKC
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On December 09 2020 20:43 darklycid wrote: Let's agree to disagree then :D Also why did inno scv pull when he can just win in macro (smth terrans always say is impossible if you're not maru )inno literally just beat stats in a macro game WHEN STATS WENT PHOENIX COLOSSUS the "play like maru" meme doesnt work here man | ||
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darklycid
3511 Posts
On December 09 2020 20:50 BerserkSword wrote: inno literally just beat stats in a macro game WHEN STATS WENT PHOENIX COLOSSUS the "play like maru" meme doesnt work here man I think you misread what I meant, i asked why the hell inno went for the scv pull when he was able to win a macro game, and a bit of being trolly with the maru comment | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On December 09 2020 20:52 darklycid wrote: I think you misread what I meant, i asked why the hell inno went for the scv pull when he was able to win a macro game, and a bit of being trolly with the maru comment i dont know why inno chose the literally exact incorrect strategy (scv pull + ghost against colossus). that's what im questioning to begin with it doesnt change the fac that he wen the exact wrong strat against phoenix colossus | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15967 Posts
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sneakyfox
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NoS-Craig
Australia3116 Posts
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
But still enough to botch Inno. He is having a super tough time in TvP huh | ||
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darklycid
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Niravroh
165 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany15967 Posts
On December 09 2020 20:47 RKC wrote: Has Inno ever been the reverse-sweeper in a BO5/BO7 major tourney? Or only the reverse-sweepee? don't think he ever pulled off a reverse-sweep. Though in his GSL final vs soO he was down 0-2 before winning 4 in a row. | ||
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Edpayasugo
United Kingdom2215 Posts
On December 09 2020 20:47 RKC wrote: Has Inno ever been the reverse-sweeper in a BO5/BO7 major tourney? Or only the reverse-sweepee? Was also wondering this during the match, believe not | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
On December 09 2020 20:58 Charoisaur wrote: don't think he ever pulled off a reverse-sweep. Though in his GSL final vs soO he was down 0-2 before winning 4 in a row. I remember he got reverse-swept by Reynor or Serral earlier this year? Would be interesting if someone could extract the data and make an all-time player ranking on reverse-sweeps. | ||
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
On December 09 2020 20:58 Charoisaur wrote: don't think he ever pulled off a reverse-sweep. Though in his GSL final vs soO he was down 0-2 before winning 4 in a row. He reverse swept Reynor in TSL 5, that's the only one I can think of off the top of my head | ||
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youaremysin
119 Posts
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Niravroh
165 Posts
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
- A well thought out hellbat push - one hole in the wall boi | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
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NoS-Craig
Australia3116 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16071 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On December 09 2020 21:09 Vindicare605 wrote: Maru these shitty Helbat timings are not going to work vs Rogue. He's not Cham, you aren't going to outclass him with that. hellbat pushes work vs serral. nothing wrong with them | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15967 Posts
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RKC
2848 Posts
Terran: Marine, ??, ?? Zerg: Ling, ??, ?? Protoss: ??, ??, ?? (excluding actual workers like SCVs, drones and probes, of course) | ||
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2449 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On December 09 2020 21:11 RKC wrote: Top 3 essential workers for each race... Terran: Marine, ??, ?? Zerg: Ling, ??, ?? Protoss: ??, ??, ?? (excluding actual workers like SCVs, drones and probes, of course) marine/tank/medivac ling/queen/? immortal/archon/chargelot | ||
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youaremysin
119 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany15967 Posts
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
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NoS-Craig
Australia3116 Posts
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
User was warned for this post. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On December 09 2020 21:24 sneakyfox wrote: No one makes stuff like as broken as Rogue does Tbh Rogue basically won this game on ling-bane alone. Lurkers were just a deathblow. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On December 09 2020 21:24 NoS-Craig wrote: Damn is Maru going to lose 3-0. Both games looked like stomps. Appears so. Sadly. | ||
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2449 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On December 09 2020 21:25 swarminfestor wrote: If Rogue win this, then he will win the championship title right? TY can take him out. | ||
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NoS-Craig
Australia3116 Posts
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
On December 09 2020 21:25 swarminfestor wrote: If Rogue win this, then he will win the championship title right? I'm afraid this isn't the finals but the quarterfinals, so no! | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On December 09 2020 21:25 swarminfestor wrote: If Rogue win this, then he will win the championship title right? judging what i've seen from lesser tournaments, he struggles vs protoss | ||
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Sif_
Brazil3106 Posts
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Argonauta
Spain4948 Posts
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youaremysin
119 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany15967 Posts
On December 09 2020 21:25 MarianoSC2 wrote: I hope TY gets to the finals otherwise we are going to witness another Rogue ZvP shitshow special in both semis and finals not sure what's the problem with that. I enjoy those Rogue ZvP "shitshows" | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On December 09 2020 21:26 BerserkSword wrote: judging what i've seen from lesser tournaments, he struggles vs protoss If semis are BO7 then Rogue is in a pretty solid state to take the title considering his offline BO7 record. | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
On December 09 2020 21:28 deacon.frost wrote: If semis are BO7 then Rogue is in a pretty solid state to take the title considering his offline BO7 record. Rogue will eat up Stats no matter the BO! | ||
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NoS-Craig
Australia3116 Posts
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On December 09 2020 21:35 Durnuu wrote: Rogue with some #Zestmacro Granted, #Zestmacro is not an issue for high quality zerg because injects. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
a minute later He wil get 3:0 | ||
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NoS-Craig
Australia3116 Posts
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SamirDuran
Philippines894 Posts
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
Bunny literally as good as Maru | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany15967 Posts
On December 09 2020 21:38 Durnuu wrote: So really it was just bad bracket luck for Bunny huh Bunny literally as good as Maru yeah Solar said Bunny is the best TvZ player right now so he might still be right | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
bigger, faster, stronger than maru himself | ||
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whiterabbit
2675 Posts
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On December 09 2020 21:42 whiterabbit wrote: What just happened in Rogue vs Maru series, I am so confused.... the greatest LotV player played like the greatest LotV player | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On December 09 2020 21:44 sneakyfox wrote: Wait, Dark left DPG? When did that happen? Only saw that they were going to cut his salary. 99% sure he didnt leave parting left tho | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4948 Posts
I really though maru was going to win looking how badly Rogue played vs Bunny but mister times katowice champion just woke up | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
On December 09 2020 21:44 BerserkSword wrote: 99% sure he didnt leave parting left tho Can't see it anywhere either. Except that in the super tournament promo, Dark's team isn't shown, whereas other players' are. | ||
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Niravroh
165 Posts
On December 09 2020 21:47 sneakyfox wrote: Can't see it anywhere either. Except that in the super tournament promo, Dark's team isn't shown, whereas other players' are. Idk about the promo video, but Dark's intros today all had him under DPG | ||
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darklycid
3511 Posts
On December 09 2020 21:49 Niravroh wrote: Idk about the promo video, but Dark's intros today all had him under DPG He also still wore the DPG jersey. | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
On December 09 2020 21:49 Niravroh wrote: Idk about the promo video, but Dark's intros today all had him under DPG Ok, guess they just missed it then. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7316 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
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Harris1st
Germany6934 Posts
GG Rogue. Made Mary look like a scrub today | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
On December 09 2020 22:12 deacon.frost wrote: Is it just me or Maru played badly and Rogue was in a godmode? Like the worst possible combination of their forms considering the viewer experience? I wonder if it is connected to Maru's health, like if he wakes up with wrist pains and he goes - well, this is gonna be a bad day. (my knees have similar mood based on the planet constaletion or whatever it is, no idea) I feel like there's some hidden meta or mind-games going on in the heads of the pro-gamers that we're not conscious about. We're quick to be critical on Stats and Maru for not doing something simple as 'holding the door'. But maybe they make such slips because they're focused on plugging other gaps that Rogue can capitalise. Or maybe even building or moving a single unit in the early game can snowball into a disadvantage later on. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On December 09 2020 22:25 RKC wrote: I feel like there's some hidden meta or mind-games going on in the heads of the pro-gamers that we're not conscious about. We're quick to be critical on Stats and Maru for not doing something simple as 'holding the door'. But maybe they make such slips because they're focused on plugging other gaps that Rogue can capitalise. Or maybe even building or moving a single unit in the early game can snowball into a disadvantage later on. Not saying no to that. But from the visual perspective Maru played worse than is his standard and Rogue played better than his one. Just was curious if others were looking at it with the same thought in their minds. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
Maru is predictably inconsistent outside of Code S, instead. Rogue advancing, fewer hopes for Protoss... | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4948 Posts
On December 09 2020 22:29 Xain0n wrote: Rogue seems to be less inconsistent than usual recently, he's playing well most of the times. Maru is predictably inconsistent outside of Code S, instead. Rogue advancing, fewer hopes for Protoss... Maru inconsistent? Data doesn't agree with that | ||
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Rubicant1
115 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On December 09 2020 22:37 Rubicant1 wrote: That felt like some bizarro reality where Rogue was in GOAT-mode and Maru played like he couldn't care less. Rogue was definitely dominant, but I can't remember the last time I saw Maru play so poorly. the DH finals or w/e was the reason behind the rock bottom nonsense | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On December 09 2020 22:36 Argonauta wrote: Maru inconsistent? Data doesn't agree with that Outside of Code S? Without any doubt. Look at your datas more accurately. | ||
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
On December 09 2020 22:36 Argonauta wrote: Maru inconsistent? Data doesn't agree with that Given how often he's dropped out in the early rounds of tournaments or had weird nonsense happen like sOs / Solar suddenly sweep him, I'd say the data very much agrees with it. Maru's peak form is incredible, but when he's not on it this kinda performance is hardly unprecedented. Rogue is much the same (although a bit less so recently). That said, it's hard to look good in games against a top player when you lose half your workers to ling runbys before finishing your third. | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
It's normal for evenly-skilled teams to end up with a lopsided result. Small margins can snowball into big advantages. Point is, I don't know why people are surprised with 'surprising' results in competitive sports. Edit: Plus when you're a top player/team playing at the top level, any off-day makes you look terrible by comparison. | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4948 Posts
On December 09 2020 22:47 Xain0n wrote: Outside of Code S? Without any doubt. Look at your datas more accurately. mmmm so who among koreans has been more consistent? | ||
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Harris1st
Germany6934 Posts
On December 09 2020 23:32 Argonauta wrote: mmmm so who among koreans has been more consistent? Consistent? I think you mean Statsistent. Or consitstats | ||
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
On December 09 2020 23:32 Argonauta wrote: mmmm so who among koreans has been more consistent? TY, Stats, Dark (until this year in his case). Trap is very consistent as well but it's more recent than the others. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On December 09 2020 23:32 Argonauta wrote: mmmm so who among koreans has been more consistent? Technically almost every player is predictable so most of them are consistent Maru is great in the Code S, Rogue is in godmode or isn't, Dark is the destroyer(well, used to be), Trap or Stats get to the finals and lose there Edit> Korea still has most of the talent of the SC2 pool so that's the reason players are seen as inconsistent. Some have health issues which may be behind their random bombings and you see more the form fluctuation because there are more players who can use that. | ||
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neutralrobot
Australia1025 Posts
On December 09 2020 22:54 RKC wrote: It's all very subjective. I felt TY-Dark was close. But some people were saying TY outplayed (or always stayed one step ahead of) Dark. Not saying that I'm right. But the point being that if such a 'visually' close game can already seem rather one-sided, what more Rogue-Maru? Sure, maybe Maru was playing a gear lower than usual. But that can happen to even top players/teams in sports (e.g. Bayern trouncing Barca last Champions league, Barca-Liverpool from the year before, Germany trouncing Brazil in World Cup 2014). It's normal for evenly-skilled teams to end up with a lopsided result. Small margins can snowball into big advantages. Point is, I don't know why people are surprised with 'surprising' results in competitive sports. Edit: Plus when you're a top player/team playing at the top level, any off-day makes you look terrible by comparison. Maru has definitely had his off days before. I still think today he looked especially bad, though. | ||
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kaykoose
United States2302 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On December 10 2020 00:10 kaykoose wrote: So many excuses for Maru when he loses. There's nothing wrong with him. Rogue was just better that series. Yeah, cause Maru played like the usual and it wasn't worse than his standard... havey ou seen the games? | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
Everyone gets bopped sometimes, and Maru especially, if he is against team mates. Anyway happy for Rogue he seems to be getting back to top form, and really seemed like he knew exactly what to do against Maru to counter him and throw him off. Lets see who gets into the finals, if its a free ZvP win for Rogue now or if TY will be there to put up a fight. | ||
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Monster3
16 Posts
On December 09 2020 21:26 BerserkSword wrote: judging what i've seen from lesser tournaments, he struggles vs protoss LOL | ||
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Poopi
France12886 Posts
He seemed surprised with the lurker play today, even though it’s been used in foreign scene and international tournaments for a few months already, and not only by Reynor. Also calling Rogue + Dark the best 2 zergs in the world kinda hints at him not watching sc2 outside of GSL as well... I might agree for Rogue who is still top 3, but Dark seemed below Reynor/Serral since his wrist issues / a few months. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On December 10 2020 02:10 Poopi wrote: Did Tasteless not watch any DH tour StarCraft? He seemed surprised with the lurker play today, even though it’s been used in foreign scene and international tournaments for a few months already, and not only by Reynor. Also calling Rogue + Dark the best 2 zergs in the world kinda hints at him not watching sc2 outside of GSL as well... I might agree for Rogue who is still top 3, but Dark seemed below Reynor/Serral since his wrist issues / a few months. OTOH It's hard to know who's the best zerg when most of the battles are at 3 am online. If you wanna bring foreigners into it. | ||
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
-Maru didn't care about this tournament -Time zone problems -Lag I guess those don't work...oh wait, I found it! Maru had to have been injured to lose like this. Maru apologists are so hilarious. | ||
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Niravroh
165 Posts
On December 09 2020 21:24 Durnuu wrote: Patchzerg looking strong User was warned for this post. Ah yes, the patch where top zergs are falling to terrans everywhere. | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4948 Posts
On December 09 2020 23:38 Durnuu wrote: TY, Stats, Dark (until this year in his case). Trap is very consistent as well but it's more recent than the others. No way you say TY Stats and Dark are more consistent specially when looking at years O.o edit: Also if only 4 players are more consistent... that puts maru in the top5 of consistency which is good | ||
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Penev
28481 Posts
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
On December 10 2020 07:27 Argonauta wrote: No way you say TY Stats and Dark are more consistent specially when looking at years O.o edit: Also if only 4 players are more consistent... that puts maru in the top5 of consistency which is good I think you must be purposefully forgetting 2016 and 2017 happened to think Maru is more consistent than them, honestly | ||
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rogzardo_
24 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On December 10 2020 04:47 mierin wrote: Let's go down the list: -Maru didn't care about this tournament -Time zone problems -Lag I guess those don't work...oh wait, I found it! Maru had to have been injured to lose like this. Maru apologists are so hilarious. Team NV is full of TL netters it seems https://tl.net/forum/starcraft-2/566703-team-nv-announces-maru-has-shoulder-injury | ||
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