EPTDouyu Cup 2020 - Playoffs - Page 13
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stilt
France2754 Posts
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Jacenoob
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ThePrince
Peru331 Posts
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Jacenoob
299 Posts
On August 13 2020 22:48 ThePrince wrote: WHY NO ADVANTAGE FOR WINNING WINNERS BRACKET Yeah there should be. Though the result would have been the same if Serral started up 1-0 | ||
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tigon_ridge
482 Posts
On August 13 2020 22:48 stilt wrote: Reynor seems clearly stronger than the year before. Reynor definitely, definitely is stronger than the year before. Don't know what triggered this growth, but it seems being done with school has a lot to do with it. This is very good news for the foreign scene, and SC2 in general. | ||
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onPHYRE
Bulgaria923 Posts
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tigon_ridge
482 Posts
On August 13 2020 22:52 onPHYRE wrote: Let's not forget Serral won 3-1 versus Reynor just yesterday... People forget so quickly and only focus on the most recent result. Both are in top form and Reynor was better today. Look at his recent games in his match history. It's not just this 4-1 that's super impressive. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26268 Posts
On August 13 2020 22:52 onPHYRE wrote: Let's not forget Serral won 3-1 versus Reynor just yesterday... People forget so quickly and only focus on the most recent result. Both are in top form and Reynor was better today. I think we’re going to see this haphazard pattern for potentially years. They’re about the same level in the matchup and anything new they pull out gets figured out by the next series, notably Reynor having success with a ling/lurker style. Plus they do practice together too, although I imagine they stop doing so when tournaments are incoming! They’re so even their matches will be decided on small things I’d imagine, who’s had a better night’s sleep or a few bits of luck or a singular mistake. Reynor has improved recently, but primarily in vT where he’s jumped up a level. Which was definitely a handy thing for him to have, especially if he wants to play in the land of the fabled Korean Terran again. VZ he was so good anyway he didn’t have much room to jump up. vP I’m not as convinced, I don’t think Reynor quite has Serral’s ability to read situations and react perfectly consistently. He’s mechanically a monster but I think he has a tendency to overdrone that does get punished by players who are on point. The flip side is when it doesn’t I think it makes him look stronger than he should really be being allowed to be. Still probably one of the best ZvPers in the world, so I’m being a bit harsh but Serral is more rock solid there IMO. | ||
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Lazzarus
Faroe Islands114 Posts
I feel Reynor benefits from the covid state of things, or rather Serral doesn't choke or even get nervous with a live audience, whereas other players do. It's not that Serral plays better at live events, just that other players play worse | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
He is the foreign hope to win a Code S sooner or later since, unlike Serral, he would like to go to Korea. Reynor is stronger now than he was in 2019, even if he serverely underperformed since May/June; also, Reynor already showed a form very similar to his current one at HSC XX and, while he is probably better, Serral seems slightly weaker, especially in ZvZ which has been his bane this year. The winner bracket advantage would have meant nothing today. | ||
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
On August 13 2020 23:07 Wombat_NI wrote: Reynor has improved recently, but primarily in vT where he’s jumped up a level. Which was definitely a handy thing for him to have, especially if he wants to play in the land of the fabled Korean Terran again. VZ he was so good anyway he didn’t have much room to jump up. Playing Clem 500 times this Spring might have helped with that. He s mechanically as good as the top Kr Terrans allready, his game sense/ mentality is just not there jet. Also his insane Preperation for Maru (vs 3 or 4 player Archon) probably helped a lot as well | ||
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slant
Romania95 Posts
On August 13 2020 23:14 Lazzarus wrote: Sad to see Serral lose. Reynor destroyed Serral today, but Serral destroyed Reynor yesterday. Better to win the grand finals I guess. Still - happy that Reynor gets more wins. I feel Reynor benefits from the covid state of things, or rather Serral doesn't choke or even get nervous with a live audience, whereas other players do. It's not that Serral plays better at live events, just that other players play worse Wouldn't say that Reynor's prone to choking on a live stage either- his premier tournament wins in 2019 are a testament to that. Great games by Reynor, super glad he won and excited for the future. Thank you SCBoy for organizing the event! Nice to see Chinese starcraft get more involved in the foreign scene, especially during covid. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26268 Posts
On August 13 2020 23:45 dbRic1203 wrote: Playing Clem 500 times this Spring might have helped with that. He s mechanically as good as the top Kr Terrans allready, his game sense/ mentality is just not there jet. Also his insane Preperation for Maru (vs 3 or 4 player Archon) probably helped a lot as well Definitely helps, Clem is a beast. Having Euro Terrans who can play like Korean Terrans with bio must definitely help and tbh we’ve never really had that in a decade of SC2 Outside of the fabled practice games with Soul of course. As good as HeroMarine is, or TIME has shown in flashes, if you want to practice against someone who can micro pushes or multitask to an Inno/Maru level (or at least close to it) Clem is a huge asset to European players. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18219 Posts
On August 13 2020 23:40 Xain0n wrote: I'm glad that Reynor eventually won a tournament where he faced top koreans, it was about time. He is the foreign hope to win a Code S sooner or later since, unlike Serral, he would like to go to Korea. Reynor is stronger now than he was in 2019, even if he serverely underperformed since May/June; also, Reynor already showed a form very similar to his current one at HSC XX and, while he is probably better, Serral seems slightly weaker, especially in ZvZ which has been his bane this year. The winner bracket advantage would have meant nothing today. It's quite weird to see Serral drop so spectacularly in ZvZ (and look quite vulnerable in ZvT as well, with critical losses to TY, Clem and Heromarine. He's still a top Zerg, but right now I would give Reynor a slight edge in power. And not sure how either of them measure up to Rogue. It's especially weird that this is the second time this year that Serral beats Reynor quite handily in the winnner bracket final, but then gets utterly crushed the next day. Almost like Reynor wants that warming up match in the lower bracket final  | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26268 Posts
On August 14 2020 00:31 Acrofales wrote: It's quite weird to see Serral drop so spectacularly in ZvZ (and look quite vulnerable in ZvT as well, with critical losses to TY, Clem and Heromarine. He's still a top Zerg, but right now I would give Reynor a slight edge in power. And not sure how either of them measure up to Rogue. It's especially weird that this is the second time this year that Serral beats Reynor quite handily in the winnner bracket final, but then gets utterly crushed the next day. Almost like Reynor wants that warming up match in the lower bracket final Where’s Serral dropping those games? I try to keep up on top tier Starcraft I just don’t recall him dropping the ball too much lately! I suppose I should watch even more SC | ||
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stilt
France2754 Posts
On August 14 2020 00:34 Wombat_NI wrote: Where’s Serral dropping those games? I try to keep up on top tier Starcraft I just don’t recall him dropping the ball too much lately! I suppose I should watch even more SC He lost to Reynor/Elazer in TSL, Lambo in DH, Rogue in Douyu and now there are these late defeats against the spaghietti boi. | ||
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Gina
241 Posts
I so wanted to see Zest play Serral again... | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18219 Posts
On August 14 2020 00:41 stilt wrote: He lost to Reynor/Elazer in TSL, Lambo in DH, Rogue in Douyu and now there are these late defeats against the spaghietti boi. Yeah, I wasn't really counting the losses to Rogue, though, as Rogue was already out and Serral was already confirmed top 2, so neither had much to play for, and probably half-assed it. Was mainly thinking of the losses to Elazer and Lambo (in addition to Reynor). | ||
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JJH777
United States4415 Posts
On August 14 2020 03:42 Acrofales wrote: Yeah, I wasn't really counting the losses to Rogue, though, as Rogue was already out and Serral was already confirmed top 2, so neither had much to play for, and probably half-assed it. Was mainly thinking of the losses to Elazer and Lambo (in addition to Reynor). Serral wasn't guaranteed top 2 when he lost to Rogue. If he lost to Parting as well he finishes 3rd. | ||
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Geo.Rion
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