On May 18 2020 02:36 sneakyfox wrote: It's really impressive how well Day9 commentates and how decent his understanding of current metas is considering how little he follows the game nowadays (or so I thought?). Did he just do a lot of research before going on today?
I watch him stream Magic Arena a lot and I think he just has a very solid fundamental understanding of the skillsets involved in playing games at a high level. Obviously he has a lot of history with SC2 so there's a lot of history to draw on, but he often mentions at least keeping up with GSL on stream. I would guess he's still interested, even if it's not his foremost passion anymore.
TBH I think anyone that plays enough games has that understanding to varying degrees. My best friend is a massive board game nut, and so I'm pretty frequently (not lately for obvious reasons) getting thrown into playing games I've never seen before, but I can pick it up pretty quick because after all, a game is a game.
I think if you have a fundamental understanding of Starcraft, Chess and Poker you can pretty much pick up any game.
Except Go. I don't think I'll ever understand that game.
Chess is just too hard for the beginners I think especially in classical time format, there is so much theory.
TBH I think Chess and Starcraft have something in common in that a lot of beginners feel overwhelmed to pick it up because of how much information is involved in becoming a master player at it.
That's the point of being a beginner, isn't it ? You could say the same thing about every field or thing.
Chess has such a reputation though that it intimidates people, and there's not much reason to learn it other than to just play it.
Boxing as a counter-example is a great thing to learn just to get fit so there's alternative reasons to pick it up. Jobs and other things have financial incentives. etc.
Compare boxing to physical things then. There is no point of comparing boxe and chess.
This type of PvP fights are terrible to watch by the way, it looks like even pros are confused.
Well to be fair you're the one that said "anything."
I obviously understand that there's a difference between physical activities and games like Chess.
As for comparing Chess' reputation and other games. I think another big aspect of why it's intimidating is that it's 1v1. Another thing that it and Starcraft have in common. It's easier to just fuck around with friends in a moba or an FPS than a game like Starcraft. Even though those games too have TONS of information that one has to learn to master them.
On May 18 2020 02:36 sneakyfox wrote: It's really impressive how well Day9 commentates and how decent his understanding of current metas is considering how little he follows the game nowadays (or so I thought?). Did he just do a lot of research before going on today?
I watch him stream Magic Arena a lot and I think he just has a very solid fundamental understanding of the skillsets involved in playing games at a high level. Obviously he has a lot of history with SC2 so there's a lot of history to draw on, but he often mentions at least keeping up with GSL on stream. I would guess he's still interested, even if it's not his foremost passion anymore.
TBH I think anyone that plays enough games has that understanding to varying degrees. My best friend is a massive board game nut, and so I'm pretty frequently (not lately for obvious reasons) getting thrown into playing games I've never seen before, but I can pick it up pretty quick because after all, a game is a game.
I think if you have a fundamental understanding of Starcraft, Chess and Poker you can pretty much pick up any game.
Except Go. I don't think I'll ever understand that game.
Chess is just too hard for the beginners I think especially in classical time format, there is so much theory.
TBH I think Chess and Starcraft have something in common in that a lot of beginners feel overwhelmed to pick it up because of how much information is involved in becoming a master player at it.
That's the point of being a beginner, isn't it ? You could say the same thing about every field or thing.
Chess has such a reputation though that it intimidates people, and there's not much reason to learn it other than to just play it.
Boxing as a counter-example is a great thing to learn just to get fit so there's alternative reasons to pick it up. Jobs and other things have financial incentives. etc.
Compare boxing to physical things then. There is no point in comparing boxe and chess.
This type of PvP fights are terrible to watch by the way, it looks like even pros are confused.
On May 18 2020 02:36 sneakyfox wrote: It's really impressive how well Day9 commentates and how decent his understanding of current metas is considering how little he follows the game nowadays (or so I thought?). Did he just do a lot of research before going on today?
I watch him stream Magic Arena a lot and I think he just has a very solid fundamental understanding of the skillsets involved in playing games at a high level. Obviously he has a lot of history with SC2 so there's a lot of history to draw on, but he often mentions at least keeping up with GSL on stream. I would guess he's still interested, even if it's not his foremost passion anymore.
TBH I think anyone that plays enough games has that understanding to varying degrees. My best friend is a massive board game nut, and so I'm pretty frequently (not lately for obvious reasons) getting thrown into playing games I've never seen before, but I can pick it up pretty quick because after all, a game is a game.
I think if you have a fundamental understanding of Starcraft, Chess and Poker you can pretty much pick up any game.
Except Go. I don't think I'll ever understand that game.
Chess is just too hard for the beginners I think especially in classical time format, there is so much theory.
TBH I think Chess and Starcraft have something in common in that a lot of beginners feel overwhelmed to pick it up because of how much information is involved in becoming a master player at it.
I say the same thing to beginner Chess players as I do to beginner Starcraft players. Don't worry about the theory at the start, just learn the game. Play against other beginners. Worry about doing research once you've mastered the basics. Too many players get hung up on learning the advanced theory before they even understand the basics.
SC is of course worse at this I think because there's dexterity and muscle memory involved.
Hum, maybe I misunderstood something but I am talking about following top level games (like sc2/chess). In this case, I disagree because in chess in order to understand what's going you must at least know much of the variation and principles of an opening lines, at least practising them a bit to recognize the pattern. But the worst is to spot the combinaisons and tactics and this all come with practise, a lot of practise. Any beginners can see the supply/income and at least have a semi grasp about the game, in chess, this is not possible.
However, I agree that chess is quite easy to play, way easier than go. (I am lost as well !)
On May 18 2020 02:36 sneakyfox wrote: It's really impressive how well Day9 commentates and how decent his understanding of current metas is considering how little he follows the game nowadays (or so I thought?). Did he just do a lot of research before going on today?
I watch him stream Magic Arena a lot and I think he just has a very solid fundamental understanding of the skillsets involved in playing games at a high level. Obviously he has a lot of history with SC2 so there's a lot of history to draw on, but he often mentions at least keeping up with GSL on stream. I would guess he's still interested, even if it's not his foremost passion anymore.
TBH I think anyone that plays enough games has that understanding to varying degrees. My best friend is a massive board game nut, and so I'm pretty frequently (not lately for obvious reasons) getting thrown into playing games I've never seen before, but I can pick it up pretty quick because after all, a game is a game.
I think if you have a fundamental understanding of Starcraft, Chess and Poker you can pretty much pick up any game.
Except Go. I don't think I'll ever understand that game.
Chess is just too hard for the beginners I think especially in classical time format, there is so much theory.
TBH I think Chess and Starcraft have something in common in that a lot of beginners feel overwhelmed to pick it up because of how much information is involved in becoming a master player at it.
That's the point of being a beginner, isn't it ? You could say the same thing about every field or thing.
Chess has such a reputation though that it intimidates people, and there's not much reason to learn it other than to just play it.
Boxing as a counter-example is a great thing to learn just to get fit so there's alternative reasons to pick it up. Jobs and other things have financial incentives. etc.
Compare boxing to physical things then. There is no point of comparing boxe and chess.
This type of PvP fights are terrible to watch by the way, it looks like even pros are confused.
Well to be fair you're the one that said "anything."
I obviously understand that there's a difference between physical activities and games like Chess.
As for comparing Chess' reputation and other games. I think another big aspect of why it's intimidating is that it's 1v1. Another thing that it and Starcraft have in common. It's easier to just fuck around with friends in a moba or an FPS than a game like Starcraft. Even though those games too have TONS of information that one has to learn to master them.
You are right.
Uhm, I think that theory in MOBA's is harder than in SC2, that's why pick phase is so long. FPS can be really challenging too, other than muscle memory you have to learn a lot of weird spot in Valorant for example.
On May 18 2020 02:52 Elentos wrote: Now now Showtime, make sure you win, we don't want Harstem to feel lonely as the only TL guy in the loser bracket.
Der Sprechstallmeister has spoken, there shall be no reason today. Tobias is kaput
I have never read that word "Sprechstallmeister". Turns out it is a danish word lol. It sounds so german but its really not
It actually does include 3 German words, but together it's nonsense.
lol, I know that word because I am Danish. Anyone here would think it is German. But then again people in Denmark just say words in what they think sounds like a German accent and pretend it's actually German.
On May 18 2020 02:36 sneakyfox wrote: It's really impressive how well Day9 commentates and how decent his understanding of current metas is considering how little he follows the game nowadays (or so I thought?). Did he just do a lot of research before going on today?
I watch him stream Magic Arena a lot and I think he just has a very solid fundamental understanding of the skillsets involved in playing games at a high level. Obviously he has a lot of history with SC2 so there's a lot of history to draw on, but he often mentions at least keeping up with GSL on stream. I would guess he's still interested, even if it's not his foremost passion anymore.
TBH I think anyone that plays enough games has that understanding to varying degrees. My best friend is a massive board game nut, and so I'm pretty frequently (not lately for obvious reasons) getting thrown into playing games I've never seen before, but I can pick it up pretty quick because after all, a game is a game.
I think if you have a fundamental understanding of Starcraft, Chess and Poker you can pretty much pick up any game.
Except Go. I don't think I'll ever understand that game.
Chess is just too hard for the beginners I think especially in classical time format, there is so much theory.
TBH I think Chess and Starcraft have something in common in that a lot of beginners feel overwhelmed to pick it up because of how much information is involved in becoming a master player at it.
I say the same thing to beginner Chess players as I do to beginner Starcraft players. Don't worry about the theory at the start, just learn the game. Play against other beginners. Worry about doing research once you've mastered the basics. Too many players get hung up on learning the advanced theory before they even understand the basics.
SC is of course worse at this I think because there's dexterity and muscle memory involved.
Hum, maybe I misunderstood something but I am talking about following top level games (like sc2/chess). In this case, I disagree because in chess in order to understand what's going you must at least know much of the variation and principles of an opening lines, at least practising them a bit to recognize the pattern. But the worst is to spot the combinaisons and tactics and this all come with practise, a lot of practise. Any beginners can see the supply/income and at least have a semi grasp about the game, in chess, this is not possible.
However, I agree that chess is quite easy to play, way easier than go. (I am lost as well !)
That's why there's commentators though. Even if you know the main ideas of the chess opening that's getting played, the first dozen moves are usually blitzed out by the players, so very few players would have theory knowledge at the point where the players actually start to think. And if beginners can see the supply/income in sc2, they can also see the material and the computer eval. in chess.
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