On December 09 2019 04:14 MarianoSC2 wrote: Throw of the century by Clem?
a throw implies you were far ahead, which was not really the case
He was very far ahead though in all aspects of the game = economy, tech, army composition. He just totally botched several engagements in a row
He botched one engagement. And it's not even a botch. Reynor's swarmhost surround was just good and clem didnt see it.
Battle mech is just too much of a glass cannon comp, too weak if you get one bad surround and mech is already finnicky because if you lose one engagement badly your army builds too slowly so is super easy to lose an apparent lead.
On December 09 2019 04:14 MarianoSC2 wrote: Throw of the century by Clem?
a throw implies you were far ahead, which was not really the case
He was very far ahead though in all aspects of the game = economy, tech, army composition. He just totally botched several engagements in a row
He botched one engagement. And it's not even a botch. Reynor's swarmhost surround was just good and clem didnt see it.
Nah, that was just bad play from Clem. + losing cyclones to biles and leaving his tanks too open for free SH pickups is also not ideal. He had the better army every time they engaged, he should have traded better.
Not taking anything away from Reynor, he was patient played good without any mistakes and caught Clem completely off guard one time and just had the game won from there.
On December 09 2019 04:25 Elentos wrote: Well these matchups are the best Finland could hope for really.
Really? It seems to me that Serral got the toughest opponent for him. At this point he will probably crush Inno, but there is still some chance. Against any of the other 2 it would just be a freewin.
On December 09 2019 03:52 Elentos wrote: Korea rekt France. Finland rekt Italy. Italy and France are evenly matched. Could that mean...
we're in for evenly matched finals?!
i would be shocked if anyone other than Serral takes a map for Finland so... not really
Serral vs 3 not-top-right-now Koreans seems an even match.
yeah maybe, but it's not really a team competition at that point is it. i find that rather anti climactic tbh
That possibility has always been the norm for NationWars. MarineLorD won NW3 essentially by himself. But the one man army teams haven't made a final since then. So you know, if nothing else, it's something different.
eh, sure. that doesn't mean i have to love the format. of course Serral is amazing but when the only excitement the other 2 guys bring is "will he cannonrush? how long will they survive?" it's a little meh
I think it‘s a decent mixture of the usual formats. It makes the life pretty hard for the one-man-armies, while at the same time not completely take them out of the competition. Especially for a nation based competition, it makes sense, imo.
And if we‘re honest here: the problem isn‘t really the format, but the fact that Reynor and Serral are just miles ahead of any other player aside from the Koreans. If they were just really good, the format would work. But when a single player is able to take out an entire team + revive, that‘s obviously an issue.
On December 09 2019 03:52 Elentos wrote: Korea rekt France. Finland rekt Italy. Italy and France are evenly matched. Could that mean...
we're in for evenly matched finals?!
i would be shocked if anyone other than Serral takes a map for Finland so... not really
Serral vs 3 not-top-right-now Koreans seems an even match.
yeah maybe, but it's not really a team competition at that point is it. i find that rather anti climactic tbh
That possibility has always been the norm for NationWars. MarineLorD won NW3 essentially by himself. But the one man army teams haven't made a final since then. So you know, if nothing else, it's something different.
eh, sure. that doesn't mean i have to love the format. of course Serral is amazing but when the only excitement the other 2 guys bring is "will he cannonrush? how long will they survive?" it's a little meh
I think it‘s a decent mixture of the usual formats. It makes the life pretty hard for the one-man-armies, while at the same time not completely take them out of the competition. Especially for a nation based competition, it makes sense, imo.
And if we‘re honest here: the problem isn‘t really the format, but the fact that Reynor and Serral are just miles ahead of any other player aside from the Koreans. If they were just really good, the format would work. But when a single player is able to take out an entire team + revive, that‘s obviously an issue.
We would like to have Bo7 ProLeague format only but it does not work as not so many countries have 4 solid GM players.
On December 09 2019 03:52 Elentos wrote: Korea rekt France. Finland rekt Italy. Italy and France are evenly matched. Could that mean...
we're in for evenly matched finals?!
i would be shocked if anyone other than Serral takes a map for Finland so... not really
Serral vs 3 not-top-right-now Koreans seems an even match.
yeah maybe, but it's not really a team competition at that point is it. i find that rather anti climactic tbh
That possibility has always been the norm for NationWars. MarineLorD won NW3 essentially by himself. But the one man army teams haven't made a final since then. So you know, if nothing else, it's something different.
eh, sure. that doesn't mean i have to love the format. of course Serral is amazing but when the only excitement the other 2 guys bring is "will he cannonrush? how long will they survive?" it's a little meh
I think it‘s a decent mixture of the usual formats. It makes the life pretty hard for the one-man-armies, while at the same time not completely take them out of the competition. Especially for a nation based competition, it makes sense, imo.
And if we‘re honest here: the problem isn‘t really the format, but the fact that Reynor and Serral are just miles ahead of any other player aside from the Koreans. If they were just really good, the format would work. But when a single player is able to take out an entire team + revive, that‘s obviously an issue.
We would like to have Bo7 ProLeague format only but it does not work as not so many countries have 4 solid GM players.
Why would you need 4 players? Couldn't you just have each team field each of their players twice (and each team sends an ace as usual)? You need 6 players per team for proper bo7 proleague anyhow.
On December 09 2019 03:52 Elentos wrote: Korea rekt France. Finland rekt Italy. Italy and France are evenly matched. Could that mean...
we're in for evenly matched finals?!
i would be shocked if anyone other than Serral takes a map for Finland so... not really
Serral vs 3 not-top-right-now Koreans seems an even match.
yeah maybe, but it's not really a team competition at that point is it. i find that rather anti climactic tbh
That possibility has always been the norm for NationWars. MarineLorD won NW3 essentially by himself. But the one man army teams haven't made a final since then. So you know, if nothing else, it's something different.
eh, sure. that doesn't mean i have to love the format. of course Serral is amazing but when the only excitement the other 2 guys bring is "will he cannonrush? how long will they survive?" it's a little meh
I think it‘s a decent mixture of the usual formats. It makes the life pretty hard for the one-man-armies, while at the same time not completely take them out of the competition. Especially for a nation based competition, it makes sense, imo.
And if we‘re honest here: the problem isn‘t really the format, but the fact that Reynor and Serral are just miles ahead of any other player aside from the Koreans. If they were just really good, the format would work. But when a single player is able to take out an entire team + revive, that‘s obviously an issue.
We would like to have Bo7 ProLeague format only but it does not work as not so many countries have 4 solid GM players.
that's a fair point. have you considered a bo3 of bo3's format? so instead of each player vs player matchup being a single map, make it a bo3, whoever wins 2 bo3s first wins the match?
On December 09 2019 03:52 Elentos wrote: Korea rekt France. Finland rekt Italy. Italy and France are evenly matched. Could that mean...
we're in for evenly matched finals?!
i would be shocked if anyone other than Serral takes a map for Finland so... not really
Serral vs 3 not-top-right-now Koreans seems an even match.
yeah maybe, but it's not really a team competition at that point is it. i find that rather anti climactic tbh
That possibility has always been the norm for NationWars. MarineLorD won NW3 essentially by himself. But the one man army teams haven't made a final since then. So you know, if nothing else, it's something different.
eh, sure. that doesn't mean i have to love the format. of course Serral is amazing but when the only excitement the other 2 guys bring is "will he cannonrush? how long will they survive?" it's a little meh
I think it‘s a decent mixture of the usual formats. It makes the life pretty hard for the one-man-armies, while at the same time not completely take them out of the competition. Especially for a nation based competition, it makes sense, imo.
And if we‘re honest here: the problem isn‘t really the format, but the fact that Reynor and Serral are just miles ahead of any other player aside from the Koreans. If they were just really good, the format would work. But when a single player is able to take out an entire team + revive, that‘s obviously an issue.
It dosen't change anything for "one man army" team, winning every match 4-2 dosen't make it closer. It's even a particularly good format for top heavy team, since you have two life, a standard all kill format without any revive would already make it harder.
At least we get to see everyone, that's nice. But I think the CTC hit the mark with their format, only problem is that it can make for super long games.
On December 09 2019 03:52 Elentos wrote: Korea rekt France. Finland rekt Italy. Italy and France are evenly matched. Could that mean...
we're in for evenly matched finals?!
i would be shocked if anyone other than Serral takes a map for Finland so... not really
Serral vs 3 not-top-right-now Koreans seems an even match.
yeah maybe, but it's not really a team competition at that point is it. i find that rather anti climactic tbh
That possibility has always been the norm for NationWars. MarineLorD won NW3 essentially by himself. But the one man army teams haven't made a final since then. So you know, if nothing else, it's something different.
eh, sure. that doesn't mean i have to love the format. of course Serral is amazing but when the only excitement the other 2 guys bring is "will he cannonrush? how long will they survive?" it's a little meh
I think it‘s a decent mixture of the usual formats. It makes the life pretty hard for the one-man-armies, while at the same time not completely take them out of the competition. Especially for a nation based competition, it makes sense, imo.
And if we‘re honest here: the problem isn‘t really the format, but the fact that Reynor and Serral are just miles ahead of any other player aside from the Koreans. If they were just really good, the format would work. But when a single player is able to take out an entire team + revive, that‘s obviously an issue.
We would like to have Bo7 ProLeague format only but it does not work as not so many countries have 4 solid GM players.
that's a fair point. have you considered a bo3 of bo3's format? so instead of each player vs player matchup being a single map, make it a bo3, whoever wins 2 bo3s first wins the match?
The goal is to have a simple format so everyone can understand it. If you guys want to send feedback you can email me at aeromi[@]ogaming[.tv] and I will discuss with other people
On December 09 2019 03:52 Elentos wrote: Korea rekt France. Finland rekt Italy. Italy and France are evenly matched. Could that mean...
we're in for evenly matched finals?!
i would be shocked if anyone other than Serral takes a map for Finland so... not really
Serral vs 3 not-top-right-now Koreans seems an even match.
yeah maybe, but it's not really a team competition at that point is it. i find that rather anti climactic tbh
That possibility has always been the norm for NationWars. MarineLorD won NW3 essentially by himself. But the one man army teams haven't made a final since then. So you know, if nothing else, it's something different.
eh, sure. that doesn't mean i have to love the format. of course Serral is amazing but when the only excitement the other 2 guys bring is "will he cannonrush? how long will they survive?" it's a little meh
I think it‘s a decent mixture of the usual formats. It makes the life pretty hard for the one-man-armies, while at the same time not completely take them out of the competition. Especially for a nation based competition, it makes sense, imo.
And if we‘re honest here: the problem isn‘t really the format, but the fact that Reynor and Serral are just miles ahead of any other player aside from the Koreans. If they were just really good, the format would work. But when a single player is able to take out an entire team + revive, that‘s obviously an issue.
We would like to have Bo7 ProLeague format only but it does not work as not so many countries have 4 solid GM players.
that's a fair point. have you considered a bo3 of bo3's format? so instead of each player vs player matchup being a single map, make it a bo3, whoever wins 2 bo3s first wins the match?
The goal is to have a simple format so everyone can understand it. If you guys want to send feedback you can email me at aeromi[@]ogaming[.tv] and I will discuss with other people
no offense but the format you're currently using is not all that simple either
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