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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55571 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-12-08 19:00:42
December 08 2019 19:00 GMT
#221
On December 09 2019 03:57 Schelim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2019 03:54 Elentos wrote:
On December 09 2019 03:53 Schelim wrote:
On December 09 2019 03:52 Elentos wrote:
Korea rekt France. Finland rekt Italy. Italy and France are evenly matched. Could that mean...

we're in for evenly matched finals?!

i would be shocked if anyone other than Serral takes a map for Finland so... not really

Serral vs 3 not-top-right-now Koreans seems an even match.

yeah maybe, but it's not really a team competition at that point is it. i find that rather anti climactic tbh

That possibility has always been the norm for NationWars. MarineLorD won NW3 essentially by himself. But the one man army teams haven't made a final since then. So you know, if nothing else, it's something different.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
December 08 2019 19:01 GMT
#222
On December 09 2019 03:54 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2019 03:53 Schelim wrote:
On December 09 2019 03:52 Elentos wrote:
Korea rekt France. Finland rekt Italy. Italy and France are evenly matched. Could that mean...

we're in for evenly matched finals?!

i would be shocked if anyone other than Serral takes a map for Finland so... not really

Serral vs 3 not-top-right-now Koreans seems an even match.


Oh they're playing 1v3?
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
December 08 2019 19:01 GMT
#223
On December 09 2019 03:57 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2019 03:39 royalroadweed wrote:
It'll be hard for Clem to win on World of Zerg.

Unrelated note, but without the rich geysers this map is really dumb. It just feels so gas starved. Doesn't even feel like you can play a half decent game of mech on it.


Tbf the total amount of gas on the map didn't change, so I think mech wasn't particularly good on it in the first place.
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
December 08 2019 19:03 GMT
#224
On December 09 2019 04:00 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2019 03:57 Schelim wrote:
On December 09 2019 03:54 Elentos wrote:
On December 09 2019 03:53 Schelim wrote:
On December 09 2019 03:52 Elentos wrote:
Korea rekt France. Finland rekt Italy. Italy and France are evenly matched. Could that mean...

we're in for evenly matched finals?!

i would be shocked if anyone other than Serral takes a map for Finland so... not really

Serral vs 3 not-top-right-now Koreans seems an even match.

yeah maybe, but it's not really a team competition at that point is it. i find that rather anti climactic tbh

That possibility has always been the norm for NationWars. MarineLorD won NW3 essentially by himself. But the one man army teams haven't made a final since then. So you know, if nothing else, it's something different.

eh, sure. that doesn't mean i have to love the format. of course Serral is amazing but when the only excitement the other 2 guys bring is "will he cannonrush? how long will they survive?" it's a little meh
TY <3 Cure <3 Inno <3 Special <3
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55571 Posts
December 08 2019 19:03 GMT
#225
On December 09 2019 04:01 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2019 03:57 Elentos wrote:
On December 09 2019 03:39 royalroadweed wrote:
It'll be hard for Clem to win on World of Zerg.

Unrelated note, but without the rich geysers this map is really dumb. It just feels so gas starved. Doesn't even feel like you can play a half decent game of mech on it.


Tbf the total amount of gas on the map didn't change, so I think mech wasn't particularly good on it in the first place.

The build up is just slower. Of course, the map just sucks for Terran in general anyway so there's no reason to play on it outside of BO7.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55571 Posts
December 08 2019 19:06 GMT
#226
On December 09 2019 04:03 Schelim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2019 04:00 Elentos wrote:
On December 09 2019 03:57 Schelim wrote:
On December 09 2019 03:54 Elentos wrote:
On December 09 2019 03:53 Schelim wrote:
On December 09 2019 03:52 Elentos wrote:
Korea rekt France. Finland rekt Italy. Italy and France are evenly matched. Could that mean...

we're in for evenly matched finals?!

i would be shocked if anyone other than Serral takes a map for Finland so... not really

Serral vs 3 not-top-right-now Koreans seems an even match.

yeah maybe, but it's not really a team competition at that point is it. i find that rather anti climactic tbh

That possibility has always been the norm for NationWars. MarineLorD won NW3 essentially by himself. But the one man army teams haven't made a final since then. So you know, if nothing else, it's something different.

eh, sure. that doesn't mean i have to love the format. of course Serral is amazing but when the only excitement the other 2 guys bring is "will he cannonrush? how long will they survive?" it's a little meh

Well you know, I don't like it either, but if the matches are any close at least I'll be decently entertained.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
December 08 2019 19:10 GMT
#227
On December 09 2019 04:03 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2019 04:01 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On December 09 2019 03:57 Elentos wrote:
On December 09 2019 03:39 royalroadweed wrote:
It'll be hard for Clem to win on World of Zerg.

Unrelated note, but without the rich geysers this map is really dumb. It just feels so gas starved. Doesn't even feel like you can play a half decent game of mech on it.


Tbf the total amount of gas on the map didn't change, so I think mech wasn't particularly good on it in the first place.

The build up is just slower. Of course, the map just sucks for Terran in general anyway so there's no reason to play on it outside of BO7.


Yeah it's pretty awful in TvZ. 45% on Liquipedia, but only 37% if you filter out games between weaker players... Makes it the fifth worse TvZ map in LotV.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55571 Posts
December 08 2019 19:12 GMT
#228
On December 09 2019 04:10 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2019 04:03 Elentos wrote:
On December 09 2019 04:01 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On December 09 2019 03:57 Elentos wrote:
On December 09 2019 03:39 royalroadweed wrote:
It'll be hard for Clem to win on World of Zerg.

Unrelated note, but without the rich geysers this map is really dumb. It just feels so gas starved. Doesn't even feel like you can play a half decent game of mech on it.


Tbf the total amount of gas on the map didn't change, so I think mech wasn't particularly good on it in the first place.

The build up is just slower. Of course, the map just sucks for Terran in general anyway so there's no reason to play on it outside of BO7.


Yeah it's pretty awful in TvZ. 45% on Liquipedia, but only 37% if you filter out games between weaker players... Makes it the fifth worse TvZ map in LotV.

It's depressing that there's 4 worse ones. What are they?

Clem is probably the positive surprise of this NW. Hopefully he can retain this level for 2020 and be a relevant Terran hope.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
MarianoSC2
Profile Joined June 2015
Slovakia1855 Posts
December 08 2019 19:14 GMT
#229
Throw of the century by Clem?
Top 11: Rogue, Maru, Inno, Zest, Life, sOs, Stats, Dark, soO, Mvp, Classic/Trap/MC/Rain
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55571 Posts
December 08 2019 19:15 GMT
#230
On December 09 2019 04:14 MarianoSC2 wrote:
Throw of the century by Clem?

Not even of the year but really terrible nonetheless.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
December 08 2019 19:15 GMT
#231
On December 09 2019 04:14 MarianoSC2 wrote:
Throw of the century by Clem?

a throw implies you were far ahead, which was not really the case
Matthew 5:10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted because of shitposting, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven".
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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
December 08 2019 19:15 GMT
#232
On December 09 2019 04:12 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2019 04:10 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On December 09 2019 04:03 Elentos wrote:
On December 09 2019 04:01 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On December 09 2019 03:57 Elentos wrote:
On December 09 2019 03:39 royalroadweed wrote:
It'll be hard for Clem to win on World of Zerg.

Unrelated note, but without the rich geysers this map is really dumb. It just feels so gas starved. Doesn't even feel like you can play a half decent game of mech on it.


Tbf the total amount of gas on the map didn't change, so I think mech wasn't particularly good on it in the first place.

The build up is just slower. Of course, the map just sucks for Terran in general anyway so there's no reason to play on it outside of BO7.


Yeah it's pretty awful in TvZ. 45% on Liquipedia, but only 37% if you filter out games between weaker players... Makes it the fifth worse TvZ map in LotV.

It's depressing that there's 4 worse ones. What are they?

Clem is probably the positive surprise of this NW. Hopefully he can retain this level for 2020 and be a relevant Terran hope.


Invader, Turbo Cruise, Interloper and Darkness Sanctuary.
sudete
Profile Joined December 2012
Singapore3054 Posts
December 08 2019 19:16 GMT
#233
There are depressing results and then there are extremely depressing results like this one
Year of MaxPax
stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2755 Posts
December 08 2019 19:16 GMT
#234
Wow, that was rough for Clem
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10112 Posts
December 08 2019 19:16 GMT
#235
noooo Clem
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55571 Posts
December 08 2019 19:16 GMT
#236
On December 09 2019 04:15 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2019 04:12 Elentos wrote:
On December 09 2019 04:10 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On December 09 2019 04:03 Elentos wrote:
On December 09 2019 04:01 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On December 09 2019 03:57 Elentos wrote:
On December 09 2019 03:39 royalroadweed wrote:
It'll be hard for Clem to win on World of Zerg.

Unrelated note, but without the rich geysers this map is really dumb. It just feels so gas starved. Doesn't even feel like you can play a half decent game of mech on it.


Tbf the total amount of gas on the map didn't change, so I think mech wasn't particularly good on it in the first place.

The build up is just slower. Of course, the map just sucks for Terran in general anyway so there's no reason to play on it outside of BO7.


Yeah it's pretty awful in TvZ. 45% on Liquipedia, but only 37% if you filter out games between weaker players... Makes it the fifth worse TvZ map in LotV.

It's depressing that there's 4 worse ones. What are they?

Clem is probably the positive surprise of this NW. Hopefully he can retain this level for 2020 and be a relevant Terran hope.


Invader, Turbo Cruise, Interloper and Darkness Sanctuary.

3 good TvZ maps that had their stats ruined by non-Korean Terrans and a huge 4 player map
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
ilax30
Profile Joined November 2019
720 Posts
December 08 2019 19:16 GMT
#237
I thought the libs scouted that initial SH surround.. Guess not.. damn GG
MarianoSC2
Profile Joined June 2015
Slovakia1855 Posts
December 08 2019 19:17 GMT
#238
On December 09 2019 04:15 Makro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2019 04:14 MarianoSC2 wrote:
Throw of the century by Clem?

a throw implies you were far ahead, which was not really the case


He was very far ahead though in all aspects of the game = economy, tech, army composition. He just totally botched several engagements in a row
Top 11: Rogue, Maru, Inno, Zest, Life, sOs, Stats, Dark, soO, Mvp, Classic/Trap/MC/Rain
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
December 08 2019 19:19 GMT
#239
On December 09 2019 04:17 MarianoSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2019 04:15 Makro wrote:
On December 09 2019 04:14 MarianoSC2 wrote:
Throw of the century by Clem?

a throw implies you were far ahead, which was not really the case


He was very far ahead though in all aspects of the game = economy, tech, army composition. He just totally botched several engagements in a row

He botched one engagement. And it's not even a botch. Reynor's swarmhost surround was just good and clem didnt see it.
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55571 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-12-08 19:21:36
December 08 2019 19:20 GMT
#240
On December 09 2019 04:19 royalroadweed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2019 04:17 MarianoSC2 wrote:
On December 09 2019 04:15 Makro wrote:
On December 09 2019 04:14 MarianoSC2 wrote:
Throw of the century by Clem?

a throw implies you were far ahead, which was not really the case


He was very far ahead though in all aspects of the game = economy, tech, army composition. He just totally botched several engagements in a row

He botched one engagement. And it's not even a botch. Reynor's swarmhost surround was just good and clem didnt see it.

I'd say it counts as botched when you're not even attacking them but just taking a leisurely stroll into the locusts as they fire at you and block your path.

Also it's one of the most important things with that playstyle to know where your opponent is and not get hopelessly surrounded tbh.
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