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Noa Greenini
Profile Joined April 2015
265 Posts
October 26 2019 06:55 GMT
#321
Now who do I cheer for? I love Reynor but there is so little Terran that I really want Big Gabe to get through
Noa Greenini looks like the superior LR poster - Charoisaur 04/05/2019 (Serral vs Showtime match)
seemsgood
Profile Joined January 2016
5527 Posts
October 26 2019 06:55 GMT
#322
On October 26 2019 15:51 Ej_ wrote:
*herO plays one of the worst games of his career*

"WOW insane game, Reynor is crazy good!!!"

Gamelosing carrier switch ;o

instantly best contender for Zest award
TaKeTV
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany1199 Posts
October 26 2019 06:55 GMT
#323
On October 26 2019 15:49 fgonzo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2019 15:48 Seeker wrote:
He had it in the bag, and he threw it so hard because he got impatient...


No he didnt. Reynor clawed his way back because he's the better player


I am sorry but no. It was 4 base Protoss vs 3 base Zerg and it was basically 1 mining base vs 2 or 2.5; He had disruptors and the better army, simply not attacking - even letting him take another base would ahve been fine while teching to carriers. That would be the first option.

The second option would have been to properly control his army and stick with the disruptor pressure + oracle revelation and pressure via prisma warpin or runby in the main or 3rd. It was a 100% throw by herO and whoever cannot see his clearly isn't in touch with Starcraft. He should have been happy already going 2 robo disruptors vs lurkers and there were little options to lose besides constantly running into lurkers and getting all core units abducted without actually hitting lurkers.... so no, it was not "clawed his way back" . And to be frank: this series was FAR BELOW Reynors real skill level. :X
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OsaX Nymloth
Profile Joined March 2013
Poland3244 Posts
October 26 2019 06:56 GMT
#324
On October 26 2019 15:53 Andi_Goldberger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2019 15:52 OsaX Nymloth wrote:
On October 26 2019 15:50 Seeker wrote:
This is such fucking bullshit... Now I have to watch either herO or Classic get eliminated... WTF happened to my race? Why do we suck at StarCraft now?


We are about to be extinct, brother.

In the meantime, somebody at Blizzard is probably looking at results so far and is like "need to nert protoss some more".


time to buff those lurkers


Lurkers can now shoot air.

Also ultralisk can go full shark mode and charge while burrowed and then leap through the air like a majestic creatures they are. Does shittone of damage to anything in the air or in the landing zone. No, no friendly fire to other zerg units. x]
Twitter: @osaxnymloth
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
October 26 2019 06:56 GMT
#325
On a side note, carriers or not, herO would've won that game anyway, had he not lost his prism trying to warp units in right in the face of hydras.
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
October 26 2019 06:56 GMT
#326
On October 26 2019 15:53 Circumstance wrote:
Now, we're up next for a series that asks the real question: Can Gabe get any bigger than this?

While he has lost a lot vs Reynor recently, he also has a positive record against him. I hope he can do it.
Kitai
Profile Joined June 2012
United States873 Posts
October 26 2019 06:56 GMT
#327
On October 26 2019 15:53 Waxangel wrote:
As a Has fan, I guess I have to reluctantly admit I was entertained by that game or I'd just be being biased


Reluctantly?! It was such a beautiful mess the entire way through
"You know, I don't care if soO got 100 second places in a row. Anyone who doesn't think that he's going to win blizzcon watching this series is a fool" - Artosis, Blizzcon 2014 soO vs TaeJa
OsaX Nymloth
Profile Joined March 2013
Poland3244 Posts
October 26 2019 06:57 GMT
#328
The question is, if Gabe wins, can he still fit in the studio?
Twitter: @osaxnymloth
franzji
Profile Joined September 2013
United States583 Posts
October 26 2019 06:58 GMT
#329
On October 26 2019 15:51 Ej_ wrote:
*herO plays one of the worst games of his career*

"WOW insane game, Reynor is crazy good!!!"

Gamelosing carrier switch ;o


Reynor wasn't playing perfect either, the opposite of perfect really, mistakes and outplays make series more exciting...

I really think he couldn't starve Reynor out though as someone else said Hero should have, he had to transition, Reynor just choose to push like a very smart player would do.

But yeah seriously carriers suck so much.
pzlama333
Profile Joined April 2013
United States277 Posts
October 26 2019 06:58 GMT
#330
I just feel that all 4 players of this group play terrible at some point and commit mistakes after mistakes from both sides, especially when compare to yesterday's games of group B. I wonder whether TIME or Stats may advance if they are in this group.
terribleplayer1
Profile Joined July 2018
95 Posts
October 26 2019 06:59 GMT
#331
I can understand losing the WP on game1 to the ravager hit squad.... but this last game...

herO just donated the warp prism, if he just kept the warp prism where it was the game was over, even if he moved the WP to the middle of the map the game was over...

then he basically couldnt control his army and kept donating so many units to lurkers.. jesus what a throw
stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2749 Posts
October 26 2019 06:59 GMT
#332
On October 26 2019 15:55 TaKeTV wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2019 15:49 fgonzo wrote:
On October 26 2019 15:48 Seeker wrote:
He had it in the bag, and he threw it so hard because he got impatient...


No he didnt. Reynor clawed his way back because he's the better player


I am sorry but no. It was 4 base Protoss vs 3 base Zerg and it was basically 1 mining base vs 2 or 2.5; He had disruptors and the better army, simply not attacking - even letting him take another base would ahve been fine while teching to carriers. That would be the first option.

The second option would have been to properly control his army and stick with the disruptor pressure + oracle revelation and pressure via prisma warpin or runby in the main or 3rd. It was a 100% throw by herO and whoever cannot see his clearly isn't in touch with Starcraft. He should have been happy already going 2 robo disruptors vs lurkers and there were little options to lose besides constantly running into lurkers and getting all core units abducted without actually hitting lurkers.... so no, it was not "clawed his way back" . And to be frank: this series was FAR BELOW Reynors real skill level. :X


I am under the same impression he is not at his ladder/wcs level, HM should take this.
Circumstance
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States11403 Posts
October 26 2019 06:59 GMT
#333
I mentioned this during Ravi's preview chat, but the thing with Reynor and Gabe, as well as Maru as the ultimate example, is that we, the community, have truly watched them grow up before our eyes. They all started so, so young, and look at them now. Best of the best.
The world is better when every background has a chance.
ASCandLoLFan
Profile Joined June 2015
25 Posts
October 26 2019 06:59 GMT
#334
Pretty awful final game from both players actually, between Reynor somehow managing to get smashed while turtling with lurkers after herO completely screwed up the early game and herO somehow throwing that.

Looking at the games over the past year, I just have to say that so many Korean players like soO, herO, INnoVation, Maru to an extent, Zest are mechanically skilled but so boneheaded and incapable of decision making. Watching them makes me so frustrated. Europeans (or non Koreans in general) approach the game in a much more flexible and cerebral way with better decision making.
Noa Greenini
Profile Joined April 2015
265 Posts
October 26 2019 07:00 GMT
#335
On October 26 2019 15:55 TaKeTV wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2019 15:49 fgonzo wrote:
On October 26 2019 15:48 Seeker wrote:
He had it in the bag, and he threw it so hard because he got impatient...


No he didnt. Reynor clawed his way back because he's the better player


I am sorry but no. It was 4 base Protoss vs 3 base Zerg and it was basically 1 mining base vs 2 or 2.5; He had disruptors and the better army, simply not attacking - even letting him take another base would ahve been fine while teching to carriers. That would be the first option.

The second option would have been to properly control his army and stick with the disruptor pressure + oracle revelation and pressure via prisma warpin or runby in the main or 3rd. It was a 100% throw by herO and whoever cannot see his clearly isn't in touch with Starcraft. He should have been happy already going 2 robo disruptors vs lurkers and there were little options to lose besides constantly running into lurkers and getting all core units abducted without actually hitting lurkers.... so no, it was not "clawed his way back" . And to be frank: this series was FAR BELOW Reynors real skill level. :X


I think you underestimate how frantic the game was at that point. Your analysis here shows you don't understand the place ones head is in, in those situations. Sure: Reynor clawing his way back relies on herO making mistakes, but he often gets caught up in his attacks. You assume herO has perfect information and is level headed, but in that situation no ones head is.
Noa Greenini looks like the superior LR poster - Charoisaur 04/05/2019 (Serral vs Showtime match)
Kitai
Profile Joined June 2012
United States873 Posts
October 26 2019 07:00 GMT
#336
On October 26 2019 15:58 pzlama333 wrote:
I just feel that all 4 players of this group play terrible at some point and commit mistakes after mistakes from both sides, especially when compare to yesterday's games of group B. I wonder whether TIME or Stats may advance if they are in this group.


Judging by yesterday's games I would say maybe TIME but probably not Stats.
"You know, I don't care if soO got 100 second places in a row. Anyone who doesn't think that he's going to win blizzcon watching this series is a fool" - Artosis, Blizzcon 2014 soO vs TaeJa
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-10-26 07:01:21
October 26 2019 07:01 GMT
#337
On October 26 2019 15:59 stilt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2019 15:55 TaKeTV wrote:
On October 26 2019 15:49 fgonzo wrote:
On October 26 2019 15:48 Seeker wrote:
He had it in the bag, and he threw it so hard because he got impatient...


No he didnt. Reynor clawed his way back because he's the better player


I am sorry but no. It was 4 base Protoss vs 3 base Zerg and it was basically 1 mining base vs 2 or 2.5; He had disruptors and the better army, simply not attacking - even letting him take another base would ahve been fine while teching to carriers. That would be the first option.

The second option would have been to properly control his army and stick with the disruptor pressure + oracle revelation and pressure via prisma warpin or runby in the main or 3rd. It was a 100% throw by herO and whoever cannot see his clearly isn't in touch with Starcraft. He should have been happy already going 2 robo disruptors vs lurkers and there were little options to lose besides constantly running into lurkers and getting all core units abducted without actually hitting lurkers.... so no, it was not "clawed his way back" . And to be frank: this series was FAR BELOW Reynors real skill level. :X


I am under the same impression he is not at his ladder/wcs level, HM should take this.

He often plays below his level against koreans, I'm sure Heromarine will have to play against a stronger Reynor.
stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2749 Posts
October 26 2019 07:01 GMT
#338
On October 26 2019 15:59 Circumstance wrote:
I mentioned this during Ravi's preview chat, but the thing with Reynor and Gabe, as well as Maru as the ultimate example, is that we, the community, have truly watched them grow up before our eyes. They all started so, so young, and look at them now. Best of the best.


I felt the same with Stephano, it's weird because you feel a sort of connection/ emotional link with the player which ofc is artificial.

Very fun game anyway.
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
October 26 2019 07:01 GMT
#339
On October 26 2019 16:00 Noa Greenini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2019 15:55 TaKeTV wrote:
On October 26 2019 15:49 fgonzo wrote:
On October 26 2019 15:48 Seeker wrote:
He had it in the bag, and he threw it so hard because he got impatient...


No he didnt. Reynor clawed his way back because he's the better player


I am sorry but no. It was 4 base Protoss vs 3 base Zerg and it was basically 1 mining base vs 2 or 2.5; He had disruptors and the better army, simply not attacking - even letting him take another base would ahve been fine while teching to carriers. That would be the first option.

The second option would have been to properly control his army and stick with the disruptor pressure + oracle revelation and pressure via prisma warpin or runby in the main or 3rd. It was a 100% throw by herO and whoever cannot see his clearly isn't in touch with Starcraft. He should have been happy already going 2 robo disruptors vs lurkers and there were little options to lose besides constantly running into lurkers and getting all core units abducted without actually hitting lurkers.... so no, it was not "clawed his way back" . And to be frank: this series was FAR BELOW Reynors real skill level. :X


I think you underestimate how frantic the game was at that point. Your analysis here shows you don't understand the place ones head is in, in those situations. Sure: Reynor clawing his way back relies on herO making mistakes, but he often gets caught up in his attacks. You assume herO has perfect information and is level headed, but in that situation no ones head is.

I want to have a podcast of LR bonjwas teaching Naruto competitive Starcraft
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
CraigWT
Profile Joined May 2019
97 Posts
October 26 2019 07:02 GMT
#340
Still, zerg has not yet lost one single series against non-zergs.

And maybe, elazer will be the only player who lose to non-zerg player (and maybe he can also beat trap)

For some comments saying that always that Zerg just simply player better and their opponents made some many mistakes, I am just wondering does it mean choosing Zerg just make me become a better player? Zergs never make mistakes?
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