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Matches![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/680.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/3374.jpg)  Classic vs  HeRoMaRinE![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/682.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/6252.jpg) herO vs  ReynorResultsVODSCSS: FO-nTTaX Awesomeness: Panda Banner: Blizzard | ||
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Poll: Who Advances Reynor & Classic (22) Classic & herO (17) HeRoMaRinE & Reynor (8) Reynor & herO (5) Classic & HeRoMaRinE (2) herO & HeRoMaRinE (1) 55 total votes Your vote: Who Advances (Vote): Reynor & Classic | ||
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dbRic1203
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I also hope for the biggest of Gabes to bring his very best games, but Spagetti Boy HAS to deliver | ||
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after the visa issue, I hope the tournament doesn't end soon for him :D | ||
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On October 26 2019 07:12 outscar wrote: Stats played like trash and got schooled, could be good if TY who was 1 point down replaced him. Hope Classic will show a good run and won't waste TY. Ah yes, the old replace a player I don't like with one I like even though he didn't do enough in the first place. You are truly the model for sportsmen. | ||
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deacon.frost
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On October 26 2019 07:12 outscar wrote: Stats played like trash and got schooled, could be good if TY who was 1 point down replaced him. Hope Classic will show a good run and won't waste TY. Waste TY? TY didn't qualify while Classic had the points for over 6 months and was waiting just for the army to decide. WTF? | ||
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WombaT
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Can probably manage 8, is there a way to watch ‘as live’ at that time, or will VoDs be up? The whole broadcast won’t be over before I start work. I usually watch GSL by just rewinding the YouTube stream but obviously they’re not streaming it on that platform this time around | ||
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WombaT
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On October 26 2019 07:12 outscar wrote: Stats played like trash and got schooled, could be good if TY who was 1 point down replaced him. Hope Classic will show a good run and won't waste TY. Sigh. You have a whole year to qualify ffs. I love TY and he’s shown really good play the last few months, but too late to qualify. It seems doing the casting gig suits him mentally as he’s clearly been playing better since he started mixing it up, so hopefully we’ll see TY at his best next year. Stats had to play Serral and Maru consecutively, he wasn’t at his best but that’s a brutal group even if he’s playing at his absolute top. Stats was the last guy to make Serral look mortal in ZvP, sadly I think he showed his hand too early at HSC and couldn’t come up with anything new to bring to Blizzcon. | ||
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Athenau
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Stats was the last guy to make Serral look mortal in ZvP, sadly I think he showed his hand too early at HSC and couldn’t come up with anything new to bring to Blizzcon. IMO, something is wrong if T/P have to continually produce new strategies to stay viable against Z. Right now it seems like top zergs only lose when they get surprised. | ||
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WombaT
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On October 26 2019 10:00 Athenau wrote: IMO, something is wrong if T/P have to continually produce new strategies to stay viable against Z. Right now it seems like top zergs only lose when they get surprised. I would agree with this, especially with P. There’s a difference between having a stock reliable style and bringing out new stuff to surprise opponents vs having to continually innovate new styles. Protoss had a good period this year with Immortal pushes and now it seems that Zergs are so wise to them that we basically don’t see them at all. Plus the overlord speed cost reduction made them easier to spot. It’s really not a good sign that a matchup is at all stable that cannon rushes are frequently being thrown out by even the most macro-orientated players, and fake Robo builds into sneaky double Stargate you see relatively frequently too. | ||
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On October 26 2019 08:52 FBTsingLoong wrote: Why does Gabe in this photo remind me of Scarlett? I think she had a similar haircut at one point. | ||
Waxangel
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I think some of the balance-whine talk got out of hand and really derailed the Group B LR thread at points. We're enforcing stricter standards behind balance whining in the Global Finals LR threads from this point on.. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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 . Now group D however should be a real cracker. | ||
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TentativePanda
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On October 26 2019 10:55 Waxangel wrote: Notice to everyone! I think some of the balance-whine talk got out of hand and really derailed the Group B LR thread at points. We're enforcing stricter standards behind balance whining in the Global Finals LR threads from this point on.. Really appreciate this | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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On October 26 2019 11:27 geokilla wrote: What's the chance of HeroMarine winning against Classic? Classic is a PvT specialist right? Classic's PvT winrate this year is under 50%. Heromarine's definitely got a shot. He played a very good series in Montreal against Showtime, but I'm not quite sure where his overall TvP level is at. If I had to choose a number I'd go around 30%, but that's mostly a guess. | ||
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BerserkSword
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On October 26 2019 11:27 geokilla wrote: What's the chance of HeroMarine winning against Classic? Classic is a PvT specialist right? Classic is historically a PvT specialist, but i dont think he's particularly strong in that matchup this year, especially after the enhanced shockwave buff | ||
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dysenterymd
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I think Zerg is the strongest right now, but it's also not as if rando zergs are winning tournaments right now. Dark, Rogue, and Serral are extremely good players, and even if they're helped by balance they're still fantastic talents. Hoping Classic makes it out! | ||
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BerserkSword
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On October 26 2019 12:03 dysenterymd wrote: Glad that there are stricter standards for moderating balance whine. I think Zerg is the strongest right now, but it's also not as if rando zergs are winning tournaments right now. Dark, Rogue, and Serral are extremely good players, and even if they're helped by balance they're still fantastic talents. Hoping Classic makes it out! nobody in this tournament is a "rando" also rogue hasnt played yet, but the same thing applies to soo. he's one of the zerg GOATs edit; nvm youre talking about tournaments in general not blizzcon | ||
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On October 26 2019 12:05 BerserkSword wrote: nobody in this tournament is a "rando" also rogue hasnt played yet, but the same thing applies to soo. he's one of the zerg GOATs edit; nvm youre talking about tournaments in general not blizzcon Forgot about soO! But yeah, I don't think this is as bad as the first infestor BL era, though I still hope things become a bit better balanced post blizzcon. The top zerg right now are definitely helped by balance, but it's not as if they deserve no credit for their achievements | ||
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Nakajin
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Come one let's make Kespa proud | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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It gives me a greater appreciation for how 'people' can't tell that Clark Kent is Superman. | ||
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TaKeTV
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On October 26 2019 12:28 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Heromarine looks really different without glasses. It gives me a greater appreciation for how 'people' can't tell that Clark Kent is Superman. I mean he does look different but you can still clearly tell its Heromarine :D | ||
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Morbidius
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On October 26 2019 11:27 geokilla wrote: What's the chance of HeroMarine winning against Classic? Classic is a PvT specialist right? Foreign Terran vs Korean Protoss is supposed to be a ''foregone conclusion''. | ||
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On October 26 2019 12:28 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Heromarine looks really different without glasses. It gives me a greater appreciation for how 'people' can't tell that Clark Kent is Superman. When he has his glasses he's the humble, gentle terran player Heromarine, but when he take them off he become Big Gabe streamer extraordinaire | ||
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On October 26 2019 12:46 SuperFanBoy wrote: Heromarine isn't very good.. I would of preferred to see top tier terran like Innovation or TY instead at WCS. Innovation wouldn't have made Blizzcon this year even if all 16 players were from WCS Korea. edit: That was real bad from Heromarine. Getting his tanks caught on top of being slow enough to push to let 1/1 finish for Protoss? Yeesh. | ||
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On October 26 2019 12:49 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Innovation wouldn't have made Blizzcon this year even if all 16 players were from WCS Korea. Yep, and he would still put on a better showing than Heromarine. | ||
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On October 26 2019 12:53 NoS-Craig wrote: Another mis-match It's a mismatch because Heromarine isn't very good.. it would have been much better to be watching Classic vs TY. Instead Heromarine get's a spot and TY doesn't.. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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On October 26 2019 12:53 NoS-Craig wrote: Another mis-match Nobody's arguing that Classic isn't the better player, but the match-up has something to do with how hopeless big gabe looks in that serie so far. | ||
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Waxangel
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On October 26 2019 12:57 Sif_ wrote: We have like 3 people commenting here. Maybe don't be so trigger happy with warnings/bans lol no one's forcing you to read or post here this convo is over, don't bother to reply | ||
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Nakajin
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(If it's SFW) | ||
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geokilla
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Polt said it himself on stream a few weeks ago. The WCS system is unfair and flawed because weaker foreigners are allowed to compete while stronger players are left out. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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On October 26 2019 12:58 Nakajin wrote: By the way where does the Big Gabe meme come from? (If it's SFW) Not sure. Some of the other players started calling him that at some point. | ||
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fastr
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On October 26 2019 12:58 geokilla wrote: ? Isn't this the point of LR? to discuss? There was no balance whine anywhere. Polt said it himself on stream a few weeks ago. The WCS system is unfair and flawed because weaker foreigners are allowed to compete while stronger players are left out. User was temp banned for this post. What an outdated argument, did you miss Showtime and Special both going to game 5 vs 2 of the top 3 korean zergs 2 days ago? Serral is the favorite to win the tournament and I see at least 2 other foreigners advancing to ro8. Gap is closing. | ||
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On October 26 2019 13:04 fastr wrote: What an outdated argument, did you miss Showtime and Special both going to game 5 vs 2 of the top 3 korean zergs 2 days ago? Serral is the favorite to win the tournament and I see at least 2 other foreigners advancing to ro8. Gap is closing. don't feed the trolls please, especially after they've already been banned | ||
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Kinda wish we'd get a game that goes longer than these mid-game 'timings'—would be nice to see something like ShoWTimE vs Gabe from Circuit with some prolonged late-game maneuvering. | ||
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Nakajin
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I feel like the right play for HM was to defend in front of the third, Classic must have thought he had less than he had. | ||
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Waxangel
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On October 26 2019 13:10 Latr02 wrote: Why on earth did Classic continue to attack there ??? If judging fights was a 100% accurate exercise, then progamers would never make mistakes | ||
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Sif_
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On October 26 2019 13:10 Latr02 wrote: Why on earth did Classic continue to attack there ??? Probably thought he had it in the bag guaranteed, with the way he made heromarine flee from his 3rd so easily | ||
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Topin
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On October 26 2019 13:10 Nakajin wrote: Strangely enough HM mistake seemed to have duped Classic into over-committing, if he just left after the lift of the third he's supper far ahead. I feel like the right play for HM was to defend in front of the third, Classic must have thought he had less than he had. i think Classic was just confident because of how the 2 last games went | ||
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On October 26 2019 13:12 Sif_ wrote: Probably thought he had it in the bag guaranteed, with the way he made heromarine flee from his 3rd so easily Lack of guardian shield there hurt a lot too  | ||
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On October 26 2019 13:20 Sif_ wrote: How long is the downtime between series usually? 15 minutes or so | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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On October 26 2019 13:20 Sif_ wrote: How long is the downtime between series usually? Too long. There's an interview from the previous series, then some analysis, then like five to ten minutes of downtime, then a little more ramp-up before the games start. It seems to vary between 15 minutes and half an hour. | ||
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Their main assault is seemingly directed mostly to Foreign areas surrounding The Principate of Pornainen. The main target is Serral, but Korean warfare have been kind of proxy war around The Godly Principate. Terran merc units of HeroMarine however show some attitude in putting up some resistance in their strategic level defense of the Home grown creep of Pornainen. User was warned for this post | ||
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On October 26 2019 13:40 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Btw is it 'mouse-sports' or 'mouse-e-sports' like the announcer is saying? I've somehow never thought about this question before during all these years. its mouse-sports. | ||
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UnLarva
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Whatever, that is conjectural, but Gabe is really trying his best. Classic may have got false feeling of security after 2-0. | ||
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On October 26 2019 13:40 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Btw is it 'mouse-sports' or 'mouse-e-sports' like the announcer is saying? I've somehow never thought about this question before during all these years. I always assume it was mouse-sport because it's sport with a mouse. That hurt for Classic, especially if he get the pvp vs herO | ||
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On October 26 2019 13:45 sudete wrote: Classic's play was atrocious over the past 3 games tilted so hard after his game-losing mistake on game3 | ||
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Not a great feeling :[ | ||
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On October 26 2019 13:46 Anc13nt wrote: at this rate there's going to be foreigner vs foreigner final again lol. the Koreans are doing so bad Eh, remember group A did end with both Koreans moving on. It's still 3-1 Korean vs Foreigner moving on. | ||
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On October 26 2019 13:47 Parrek wrote: Eh, remember group A did end with both Koreans moving on. It's still 3-1 Korean vs Foreigner moving on. Also TIME just went 3-2 to 0-3 yesterday, let's not be prisoners of the most immediate moment | ||
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On October 26 2019 13:47 Parrek wrote: Eh, remember group A did end with both Koreans moving on. It's still 3-1 Korean vs Foreigner moving on. I know but TIME beating Maru and then heromarine reverse sweeping Classic... was not expecting foreigners to repeat their performance at GSL vs the World and perhaps do even better. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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Makes sense I guess given that we shorten it to 'mouz'. I also just realized that the indistinct red blob that they use as their logo is the head of a mouse, so maybe I'm just really slow on the uptake. | ||
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On October 26 2019 13:44 UnLarva wrote: Gabe is probably one of Serral's training partners of last month. Its also possible that Serral offraced against Gabe with Toss during those training sessions. Mutual training makes sense only if both trainees benefit from it. Whatever, that is conjectural, but Gabe is really trying his best. Classic may have got false feeling of security after 2-0. what did I just read | ||
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Obviously it means that Serral is going to switch to Protoss mid-tournament to benefit from all the offrace practice he's had with Heromarine. | ||
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He read everything perfectly | ||
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Holy hell Kaelaris with the WW2 joke hahaha | ||
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herO already having technical problems | ||
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On October 26 2019 14:14 Musicus wrote: Seriously, that was an awesome series, bo5s are so much better than what we had so far. Massive improvement! Agreed. Easily the best change made this year. | ||
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On October 26 2019 14:14 Noonius wrote: I woke and and heromarine not only won but came back from 2 down? Did the patch hit overnight or something? eu terrans just dont win like that Heromarine is a god or Classic hard threw depending on who you ask. I lean towards the former. Really great games from him after the first two. | ||
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On October 26 2019 14:17 Parrek wrote: Heromarine is a god or Classic hard threw depending on who you ask. I lean towards the former. Really great games from him after the first two. G3 seemed pretty clearly a throw, game 4-5 were great game by Heromarine | ||
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dbRic1203
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What a pleasant suprise | ||
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On October 26 2019 14:22 Die4Ever wrote: doesn't herO know about the 3 raveger flank? they dont research foreigners | ||
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fastr
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On October 26 2019 14:22 Die4Ever wrote: doesn't herO know about the 3 raveger flank? He learned that about 4 minutes ago | ||
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On October 26 2019 14:22 Die4Ever wrote: doesn't herO know about the 3 raveger flank? He does now at the very least. herO's not the type of player to leave the prism far back even knowing about that though. | ||
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I Think most koreans do by now. If hero didn t, he s defnatly in trouble. But he as he is the Player, I care the least about out of all 18 BlizzCon Players, I Don t care | ||
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On October 26 2019 14:27 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Looks like seven sentries might be too few for the colossus style against bane/ravager. I think he could have won the first fight if he had a few more. Colossi are just bad vs bane/ravager, seemed silly to do in the first place | ||
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On October 26 2019 14:32 blooblooblahblah wrote: Colossi are just bad vs bane/ravager, seemed silly to do in the first place I don't disagree. But if you do go for it you want a ton of sentries. | ||
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On October 26 2019 14:36 Nakajin wrote: That Imo-WP creep sniping crew is doing work Yeah. And creep spreading has never been Reynor's strength (relatively speaking). | ||
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On October 26 2019 14:32 blooblooblahblah wrote: Colossi are just bad vs bane/ravager, seemed silly to do in the first place yeah? | ||
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lol yes if you are ahead it can work but you saw how cost efficient bane ravager is against it even without the critical mass required. | ||
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On October 26 2019 14:41 Waxangel wrote: Welp, stylistically, this series has gone exactly the way everyone expected so far :o does that surprise you? i mean it kinda shouldn't | ||
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Actually Gabe trained with Serral, but only TvZ and no TvP. For TvP he trained with Stats, who played way better in practice than in his group matches yesterday. | ||
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On October 26 2019 14:54 hjpalpha wrote: Actually Gabe trained with Serral, but only TvZ and no TvP. For TvP he trained with Stats, who played way better in practice than in his group matches yesterday. Very interesting. I wonder how much practicing with Stats helps against herO though | ||
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I feel like it would help the zealots tank a lot more. | ||
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On October 26 2019 14:58 jojamon wrote: how come in PvZ I don't often see the P getting armor upgrades? I feel like it would help the zealots tank a lot more. Attack just scales way better. Armor doesn't help much against banes, and doesn't help at all vs biles. And ofc armor doesn't help the archons. | ||
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On October 26 2019 14:58 jojamon wrote: how come in PvZ I don't often see the P getting armor upgrades? I feel like it would help the zealots tank a lot more. It barely affects any actual (x shots to kill x) except stalkers against (roaches?). That's why you basically only see double forge with the stalker colossi style, which is pretty rare but you'd see Neeb do it at Automaton for example | ||
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On October 26 2019 14:58 Noa Greenini wrote: Reynor felt he had the money to spend on greater spire but not getting a few corruptors to deal with the prism? Well, I guess losing all those drones really disrupted his game, I think Serral would have pulled those drones away long before the army got there The drones are already gone and hiding if that was serral. OT: i wish herO would win so we can have herO vs HeroMarine :p | ||
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On October 26 2019 15:00 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Attack just scales way better. Armor doesn't help much against banes, and doesn't help at all vs biles. And ofc armor doesn't help the archons. But once their economy is good, why not get armor or shield upgrades? would help tank a bit more.... | ||
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On October 26 2019 15:15 jojamon wrote: But once their economy is good, why not get armor or shield upgrades? would help tank a bit more.... You do get shields eventually if you want to transition to air. | ||
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On October 26 2019 15:15 jojamon wrote: But once their economy is good, why not get armor or shield upgrades? would help tank a bit more.... As i explained in my comment, only one unit (the stalker) benefits from changes in unit interaction. Therefore, it's not worth going double forge unless you are going a niche stalker colossi composition, especially since gas is very important in the matchup. Therefore, you'd only consider it after +3 attack finishes, and in general you don't wanna still be in a game against zerg by then. | ||
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On October 26 2019 15:23 ZigguratOfUr wrote: I'm amazed that herO's still in this. Seeing the resources lost tab would be nice. dude colored me impressed | ||
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On October 26 2019 15:28 blooblooblahblah wrote: Wow haven't seen the evo for a long time ooo, combined with these little mistakes against the Adepts, maybe he's actually getting shook by the moment :O | ||
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On October 26 2019 15:32 JJH777 wrote: And suddenly all the amazing micro from herO and misplays by Reynor don't matter at all Amazing micro not blocking ur choke and losing Warprism to queens? But sure, that s fine, the real misplay was by reynor, losing a drone he shouldnt have | ||
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On October 26 2019 15:39 Waxangel wrote: Wait what the fuck????? ah shiet...here we go again.... | ||
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On October 26 2019 15:40 ZigguratOfUr wrote: What an exciting series. There's lots of mistakes, but both players are also being quite combative. what i dislike is dem greens | ||
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I'd say this is 90% over but if Reynor uses his vipers well, he could turtle forever. | ||
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All the players hate them, but I find the slow zones pretty funny (when used correctly like on Winter's Gate. Turbo Cruise had other issues). | ||
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THAT was a comeback! Her0 needed to pull the trigger, he didn't and Reynor punished him so well for it. Awesome game. | ||
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On October 26 2019 15:47 NoS-Craig wrote: I'm suprised herO managed to get into the lead for a little bit. Reynor managed to kill him before the Carriers really kicked in. Little? he was up in army, bases, workers, upgrades and tech. I have to rewatch this game asap | ||
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Carriers are useless, tempest were so much better in that situation | ||
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On October 26 2019 15:47 JJH777 wrote: Will Zerg lose a series this Blizzcon? Stay tuned to find out soO already lost one, what a scrub. | ||
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On October 26 2019 15:47 Schelim wrote: EU master race E U Z E R G S | ||
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ZvZ doesn't count. | ||
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At the same time another zerg won, soooooo | ||
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On October 26 2019 15:32 JJH777 wrote: And suddenly all the amazing micro from herO and misplays by Reynor don't matter at all You need to check your glasses xD And also be careful with the balance whining ^^ | ||
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On October 26 2019 15:47 Circumstance wrote: The Korean vs foreigner series record is now equal in this tournament. so the EU vs Korea record is in favour of EU, right? too lazy to count right now tbh | ||
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On October 26 2019 15:47 Circumstance wrote: The Korean vs foreigner series record is now equal in this tournament. Nice! | ||
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On October 26 2019 15:48 Seeker wrote: He had it in the bag, and he threw it so hard because he got impatient... No he didnt. Reynor clawed his way back because he's the better player | ||
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didn't know Heromarine played Zerg | ||
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User was warned for this post | ||
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On October 26 2019 15:48 swarminfestor wrote: I think Reynor was the only one who didn't use any Nydus Worm so far, right? He just wanted to give his opponent slight hope that there's a "chance". | ||
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"WOW insane game, Reynor is crazy good!!!" Gamelosing carrier switch ;o | ||
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On October 26 2019 15:50 blooblooblahblah wrote: Anyone asking why herO was impatient should go watch every single match from herO this year, he tries to throw every single game with unnecessary attacks but sometimes it eventually works. That's true! He gets ahead early in most of the games he wins and then makes the games unnecessarily close. | ||
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On October 26 2019 15:50 Seeker wrote: This is such fucking bullshit... Now I have to watch either herO or Classic get eliminated... WTF happened to my race? Why do we suck at StarCraft now? We are about to be extinct, brother. In the meantime, somebody at Blizzard is probably looking at results so far and is like "need to nert protoss some more". User was warned for this post | ||
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On October 26 2019 15:52 OsaX Nymloth wrote: We are about to be extinct, brother. In the meantime, somebody at Blizzard is probably looking at results so far and is like "need to nert protoss some more". Seeker plays Terran. He meant the other race. User was warned for this post | ||
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What a waste | ||
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On October 26 2019 15:52 OsaX Nymloth wrote: We are about to be extinct, brother. In the meantime, somebody at Blizzard is probably looking at results so far and is like "need to nert protoss some more". time to buff those lurkers | ||
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We both extinct then, only zergs in the known universe SOON x) | ||
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On October 26 2019 15:50 blooblooblahblah wrote: Anyone asking why herO was impatient should go watch every single match from herO this year, he tries to throw every single game with unnecessary attacks but sometimes it eventually works. And if anything his PvPs are even more volatile, so let's stay tuned for herO vs Classic. All the games he played against Patience in CTC show the same brand of madness. | ||
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On October 26 2019 15:54 OsaX Nymloth wrote: We both extinct then, only zergs in the known universe SOON x) He also did not mean Terran. | ||
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On October 26 2019 15:51 Ej_ wrote: *herO plays one of the worst games of his career* "WOW insane game, Reynor is crazy good!!!" Gamelosing carrier switch ;o instantly best contender for Zest award | ||
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On October 26 2019 15:49 fgonzo wrote: No he didnt. Reynor clawed his way back because he's the better player I am sorry but no. It was 4 base Protoss vs 3 base Zerg and it was basically 1 mining base vs 2 or 2.5; He had disruptors and the better army, simply not attacking - even letting him take another base would ahve been fine while teching to carriers. That would be the first option. The second option would have been to properly control his army and stick with the disruptor pressure + oracle revelation and pressure via prisma warpin or runby in the main or 3rd. It was a 100% throw by herO and whoever cannot see his clearly isn't in touch with Starcraft. He should have been happy already going 2 robo disruptors vs lurkers and there were little options to lose besides constantly running into lurkers and getting all core units abducted without actually hitting lurkers.... so no, it was not "clawed his way back" . And to be frank: this series was FAR BELOW Reynors real skill level. :X | ||
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Lurkers can now shoot air. Also ultralisk can go full shark mode and charge while burrowed and then leap through the air like a majestic creatures they are. Does shittone of damage to anything in the air or in the landing zone. No, no friendly fire to other zerg units. x] | ||
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On October 26 2019 15:53 Circumstance wrote: Now, we're up next for a series that asks the real question: Can Gabe get any bigger than this? While he has lost a lot vs Reynor recently, he also has a positive record against him. I hope he can do it. | ||
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On October 26 2019 15:53 Waxangel wrote: As a Has fan, I guess I have to reluctantly admit I was entertained by that game or I'd just be being biased Reluctantly?! It was such a beautiful mess the entire way through | ||
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On October 26 2019 15:51 Ej_ wrote: *herO plays one of the worst games of his career* "WOW insane game, Reynor is crazy good!!!" Gamelosing carrier switch ;o Reynor wasn't playing perfect either, the opposite of perfect really, mistakes and outplays make series more exciting... I really think he couldn't starve Reynor out though as someone else said Hero should have, he had to transition, Reynor just choose to push like a very smart player would do. But yeah seriously carriers suck so much. | ||
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herO just donated the warp prism, if he just kept the warp prism where it was the game was over, even if he moved the WP to the middle of the map the game was over... then he basically couldnt control his army and kept donating so many units to lurkers.. jesus what a throw | ||
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On October 26 2019 15:55 TaKeTV wrote: I am sorry but no. It was 4 base Protoss vs 3 base Zerg and it was basically 1 mining base vs 2 or 2.5; He had disruptors and the better army, simply not attacking - even letting him take another base would ahve been fine while teching to carriers. That would be the first option. The second option would have been to properly control his army and stick with the disruptor pressure + oracle revelation and pressure via prisma warpin or runby in the main or 3rd. It was a 100% throw by herO and whoever cannot see his clearly isn't in touch with Starcraft. He should have been happy already going 2 robo disruptors vs lurkers and there were little options to lose besides constantly running into lurkers and getting all core units abducted without actually hitting lurkers.... so no, it was not "clawed his way back" . And to be frank: this series was FAR BELOW Reynors real skill level. :X I am under the same impression he is not at his ladder/wcs level, HM should take this. | ||
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Looking at the games over the past year, I just have to say that so many Korean players like soO, herO, INnoVation, Maru to an extent, Zest are mechanically skilled but so boneheaded and incapable of decision making. Watching them makes me so frustrated. Europeans (or non Koreans in general) approach the game in a much more flexible and cerebral way with better decision making. | ||
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On October 26 2019 15:55 TaKeTV wrote: I am sorry but no. It was 4 base Protoss vs 3 base Zerg and it was basically 1 mining base vs 2 or 2.5; He had disruptors and the better army, simply not attacking - even letting him take another base would ahve been fine while teching to carriers. That would be the first option. The second option would have been to properly control his army and stick with the disruptor pressure + oracle revelation and pressure via prisma warpin or runby in the main or 3rd. It was a 100% throw by herO and whoever cannot see his clearly isn't in touch with Starcraft. He should have been happy already going 2 robo disruptors vs lurkers and there were little options to lose besides constantly running into lurkers and getting all core units abducted without actually hitting lurkers.... so no, it was not "clawed his way back" . And to be frank: this series was FAR BELOW Reynors real skill level. :X I think you underestimate how frantic the game was at that point. Your analysis here shows you don't understand the place ones head is in, in those situations. Sure: Reynor clawing his way back relies on herO making mistakes, but he often gets caught up in his attacks. You assume herO has perfect information and is level headed, but in that situation no ones head is. | ||
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On October 26 2019 15:58 pzlama333 wrote: I just feel that all 4 players of this group play terrible at some point and commit mistakes after mistakes from both sides, especially when compare to yesterday's games of group B. I wonder whether TIME or Stats may advance if they are in this group. Judging by yesterday's games I would say maybe TIME but probably not Stats. | ||
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On October 26 2019 15:59 stilt wrote: I am under the same impression he is not at his ladder/wcs level, HM should take this. He often plays below his level against koreans, I'm sure Heromarine will have to play against a stronger Reynor. | ||
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On October 26 2019 15:59 Circumstance wrote: I mentioned this during Ravi's preview chat, but the thing with Reynor and Gabe, as well as Maru as the ultimate example, is that we, the community, have truly watched them grow up before our eyes. They all started so, so young, and look at them now. Best of the best. I felt the same with Stephano, it's weird because you feel a sort of connection/ emotional link with the player which ofc is artificial. Very fun game anyway. | ||
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On October 26 2019 16:00 Noa Greenini wrote: I think you underestimate how frantic the game was at that point. Your analysis here shows you don't understand the place ones head is in, in those situations. Sure: Reynor clawing his way back relies on herO making mistakes, but he often gets caught up in his attacks. You assume herO has perfect information and is level headed, but in that situation no ones head is. I want to have a podcast of LR bonjwas teaching Naruto competitive Starcraft | ||
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And maybe, elazer will be the only player who lose to non-zerg player (and maybe he can also beat trap) For some comments saying that always that Zerg just simply player better and their opponents made some many mistakes, I am just wondering does it mean choosing Zerg just make me become a better player? Zergs never make mistakes? | ||
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On October 26 2019 16:01 HolydaKing wrote: He often plays below his level against koreans, I'm sure Heromarine will have to play against a stronger Reynor. I am not sure, I think the stage matters, HM beats him 3-0 at the last homestory cup, we'll see even if tbf, big Gabe can beat Reynor at his best. | ||
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On October 26 2019 16:00 Noa Greenini wrote: I think you underestimate how frantic the game was at that point. Your analysis here shows you don't understand the place ones head is in, in those situations. Sure: Reynor clawing his way back relies on herO making mistakes, but he often gets caught up in his attacks. You assume herO has perfect information and is level headed, but in that situation no ones head is. You can at least see in Reynors face that he was pretty sure he lost when he was back on 1 mining base and had to be defensive with lurkers. Not sure how herO could have thought he wasn't ahead by a lot. I'm guessing he did and that's why he made that reckless carriers switch which wasn't a good idea. | ||
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On October 26 2019 15:57 OsaX Nymloth wrote: The question is, if Gabe wins, can he still fit in the studio? Not gonna happen, terran doesn’t deserve to win against Zerg User was warned for this post. | ||
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On October 26 2019 16:07 Seeker wrote: Fuck it... Now that it's come to this, I'm going to root for HeRoMaRinE. I want to see another Terran in the Ro8. I personally want a all Zerg Ro4 | ||
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On October 26 2019 16:13 FBTsingLoong wrote: No offend,today's match can't even make people want to whine about balance. Don't get me started...I like posting here | ||
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On October 26 2019 16:13 FBTsingLoong wrote: No offend,today's match can't even make people want to whine about balance. It says, if one player plays perfect but still cannot win against a normal player, or a terrible player can win against a normal player, there may be something wrong about balance. But if both players play terrible and the outcome is simply decided by who make less mistakes, how do you know whether there are balance issue? | ||
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On October 26 2019 16:25 MockHamill wrote: Why try to go bio vs Reynor? Bio can work if you have better mechanics, otherwise mech is the better option. Apparently it is not. | ||
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On October 26 2019 16:25 MockHamill wrote: Why try to go bio vs Reynor? Bio can work if you have better mechanics, otherwise mech is the better option. It'n not like HM has never beaten Reynor with bio | ||
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Pro Terrans universally agree mech is bad atm. Mech is basically one-of cheese | ||
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This is actually the first time we have an all-foreigner winners' match at WCS Global Finals(at least with LoTV's format). Draw your own conclusions! | ||
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On October 26 2019 16:33 Xain0n wrote: Aaah such a sweet result to wake up with This is actually the first time we have an all-foreigner winners' match at WCS Global Finals(at least with LoTV's format). Draw your own conclusions! Regionlock finally did its work. | ||
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On October 26 2019 16:33 Xain0n wrote: Aaah such a sweet result to wake up with This is actually the first time we have an all-foreigner winners' match at WCS Global Finals(at least with LoTV's format). Draw your own conclusions! TIME played Serral yesterday. | ||
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TIME may technically be a foreigner but he still doesn't have the preferred skin color. | ||
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Uh, that's true actually. I was not taking that into consideration, it's even better! Yesterday was the first time, today it's already the second. Or we might say that Serral is not a foreigner, he's a god of Sc2 | ||
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On October 26 2019 16:38 Andi_Goldberger wrote: this is the best zerg map. I hope we see disco for game 3 but I honestly dont see gabe winning against reynor The best ZvT maps are Winter's Gate and Acropolis | ||
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I actually slept too few, I went to bed right before this groupstage started. | ||
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On October 26 2019 16:41 Charoisaur wrote: TIME may technically be a foreigner but he still doesn't have the preferred skin color. Let me laugh at this extremely low accusation of racism! | ||
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On October 26 2019 16:41 Charoisaur wrote: TIME may technically be a foreigner but he still doesn't have the preferred skin color. I'd just say "draw your own conclusions" about Xainon Regardless, I see where all of you are itching to take this, so I'd advise all parties to stop this now | ||
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On October 26 2019 16:48 Geo.Rion wrote: What a beautiful game Extremely long death animation, you mean. | ||
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yea HM isn't getting anything done here | ||
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Geo.Rion
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well if it s such an agony, dont watch it. Do you mind if i still like it? | ||
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but still...big cookie to big gabe for surviving this long | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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On October 26 2019 16:43 Ej_ wrote: The best ZvT maps are Winter's Gate and Acropolis Winter's Gate is decent for terran imo. | ||
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Waxangel
United States33360 Posts
I'm extremely impressed at GSL caster Gisado's ability to maintain the exact same tone whether the game is actually close or he's just clearly pretending for the sake of a broadcast. Most casters don't have this tier of acting ability | ||
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Ej_
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On October 26 2019 16:50 Geo.Rion wrote: well if it s such an agony, dont watch it. Do you mind if i still like it? Sure, you hav ase much right to express your pleasure as I have to express my dislike. | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On October 26 2019 16:50 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Winter's Gate is decent for terran imo.  Winter%27s Gate LE5 to 6, not ideal | ||
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Ej_
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On October 26 2019 16:52 Waxangel wrote: I think it's funny that 18 months ago, I could reasonably look at Maru in this kind of situation and think "well, if the Zerg suicides his army like twice, Maru will prolly win" (the Zerg was soO) Maru would still win this game probably, but it is not him. | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
On October 26 2019 16:50 seemsgood wrote: but still...big cookie to big gabe for surviving this long I mean, Reynor kinda decided to let him live by going to broodlords, building a shit ton of spores and not really attacking. | ||
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Waxangel
United States33360 Posts
On October 26 2019 16:53 Ej_ wrote: Maru would still win this game probably, but it is not him. Potentially, but also potentially coulda ended 5 mins ago because Maru was 2000/2000 behind in useless nukes | ||
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Ej_
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On October 26 2019 16:55 fealx wrote: Just build a nydus... Can't nydus brood lords or spores and he's not going to get a spotter unit for a nydus to Terran's base through a ghost wall | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15928 Posts
On October 26 2019 16:54 Waxangel wrote: Potentially, but also potentially coulda ended 5 mins ago because Maru was 2000/2000 behind in useless nukes They still cause chaos and occupy the Zerg so I don't think they are useless. Maru spams them for a reason. | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
On October 26 2019 16:56 Charoisaur wrote: They still cause chaos and occupy the Zerg so I don't think they are useless. Maru spams them for a reason. They also destroy larvae. | ||
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Waxangel
United States33360 Posts
On October 26 2019 16:56 Charoisaur wrote: They still cause chaos and occupy the Zerg so I don't think they are useless. Maru spams them for a reason. As a fan, I have the luxury of judging their usefulness depending on the outcome of the game Anyway, I sorta like them better in this specific situation since all you're waiting for is your opponent to make an absolutely horrendous mistake. | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On October 26 2019 16:58 Andi_Goldberger wrote: this has to be the longest death animation ever I am sure there has been some TvZ of FlaSh longer than this. | ||
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NoS-Craig
Australia3095 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
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Xain0n
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Andi_Goldberger
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
On October 26 2019 16:50 seemsgood wrote: but still...big cookie to big gabe for surviving this long Only because Reynor didn't use Nydus | ||
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watchlulu
Germany474 Posts
On the one hand, I know this is probably the best Zerg-Map, but if Heromarine gets 10 Workers with 3 Hellions and doesn't get anything done in the midgame, I do not see him winning. On the other hand, HM played it out really well in the lategame... too bad he only started trading far better than Reynor when latter had like 8 Bases already. I don't really care who advances here, but I hope it wont be a 3:0 now, that would be kinda 'meh' | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
On October 26 2019 17:00 NoS-Craig wrote: Heromarine did amazing to stay in that game despite being behind the whole game. He did well, but I'd say it's on Reynor for playing it incredibly safe. | ||
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stilt
France2749 Posts
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MarianoSC2
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On October 26 2019 17:01 watchlulu wrote: Hmmm... I'm really confused by this game. On the one hand, I know this is probably the best Zerg-Map, but if Heromarine gets 10 Workers with 3 Hellions and doesn't get anything done in the midgame, I do not see him winning. + Show Spoiler + On the other hand, HM played it out really well in the lategame... too bad he only started trading far better than Reynor when latter had like 8 Bases already. I don't really care who advances here, but I hope it wont be a 3:0 now, that would be kinda 'meh How tho, have you seen that creep spread and overlords? How? | ||
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Poopi
France12795 Posts
What happened in the games for the mods to put this sticker on the thread btw? | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
On October 26 2019 17:03 Poopi wrote: So both Reynor and HM advanced in winner? Nice What happened in the games for the mods to put this sticker on the thread btw? Don't know, but yesterday the balance whining was terrible so it's probably just from that. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On October 26 2019 17:03 Poopi wrote: So both Reynor and HM advanced in winner? Nice What happened in the games for the mods to put this sticker on the thread btw? Read the first pages of the thread, you will find the explanation. | ||
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seemsgood
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
Pros don't like the map so the sample size is kinda small. But yeah I son't have any solid numbers to back my feelings about the maps. I'd personally peg the ordering of the maps in ZvT (from best for zerg to worst) as: Acropolis, World of Sleepers, Triton, Ephemeron, Winter's Gate, Thunderbird, Disco, but all the middle ones are kinda close and come down to playstyle. | ||
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Andi_Goldberger
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NoS-Craig
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AgentRabbits
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watchlulu
Germany474 Posts
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seemsgood
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Tsubbi
Germany7979 Posts
On October 26 2019 17:13 AgentRabbits wrote: BC build really looks obsolete especially if you are losing your first bc to queens | ||
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HolydaKing
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fgonzo
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DinosaurJones
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Waxangel
United States33360 Posts
I guess this was the expected result once we got this winners match confirmed tho -_- | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15928 Posts
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On October 26 2019 17:13 AgentRabbits wrote: BC build really looks obsolete It's probably the best TvZ opening ;o | ||
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Waxangel
United States33360 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On October 26 2019 17:15 Charoisaur wrote: 4th Zerg through And she's not brave enough to ask the question | ||
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Poopi
France12795 Posts
Hope HeroMarine makes a miracle happen again, would be nice to have another foreigner qualified If not him then Classic, the old man for a last show | ||
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Malaysia2449 Posts
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On October 26 2019 17:15 Charoisaur wrote: 4th Zerg through And soO was the most surprising. This pre-BlizzCon groupstage still has "WCS" in its name, Reynor advancing was inevitable! | ||
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fLyiNgDroNe
Belgium4001 Posts
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Andi_Goldberger
Germany1608 Posts
On October 26 2019 17:16 Waxangel wrote: PvP Bo5 - brunch break for Europeans ?power nap time | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On October 26 2019 17:22 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: Gabe had a fantastic year and definitely deserves a trip to California. That said, Classic is still a threat. Do not underestimate the smiling assassin! | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15928 Posts
On October 26 2019 17:22 Xain0n wrote: And soO was the most surprising. This pre-BlizzCon groupstage still has "WCS" in its name, Reynor advancing was inevitable! none of the results in isolation are surprising - but all of them in combination is worrisome, especially considering Zerg hasn't lost a series yet this tournament. It's not like P and T players all suck. | ||
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Poaktree
165 Posts
On October 26 2019 17:03 Poopi wrote: So both Reynor and HM advanced in winner? Nice What happened in the games for the mods to put this sticker on the thread btw? Balance whining was too op so the mods nerfed it. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On October 26 2019 17:27 Poaktree wrote: Balance whining was too op so the mods nerfed it. But can you blame the viewers when they can see this happening and considering the past results and pros saying what they said? I get why they put it, but c'mon, that was about to be expected. There's a reason why many are predicting 4 zergs in the RO4 | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On October 26 2019 17:26 Charoisaur wrote: none of the results in isolation are surprising - but all of them in combination is worrisome, especially considering Zerg hasn't lost a series yet this tournament. It's not like P and T players all suck. You are beating a long dead horse, the issues were known in advance to everyone, Blizzard included, and will be fixed right after this tournament. | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On October 26 2019 17:28 deacon.frost wrote: But can you blame the viewers when they can see this happening and considering the past results and pros saying what they said? I get why they put it, but c'mon, that was about to be expected. There's a reason why many are predicting 4 zergs in the RO4 we hit rock bottom. The threshold now is: what "many are predicting" the ro4 is gonna be. Here s a counter-argument for that: I predict it isnt gonna be. Wanna bet? | ||
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Waxangel
United States33360 Posts
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sparklyresidue
United States5523 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On October 26 2019 17:35 Geo.Rion wrote: we hit rock bottom. The threshold now is: what "many are predicting" the ro4 is gonna be. Here s a counter-argument for that: I predict it isnt gonna be. Wanna bet? I personally think it will be Maru and 3 zergs unless there will be RO8 Rogue/Trap v Maru. In that case 4 zergs(or Trap & 3) I don't bet. Edit> Considering the form of Dark, Rogue and Serral it wouldn't be even surprising, but it won't be nice either | ||
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showstealer1829
Australia3123 Posts
On October 26 2019 17:28 deacon.frost wrote: But can you blame the viewers when they can see this happening and considering the past results and pros saying what they said? I get why they put it, but c'mon, that was about to be expected. There's a reason why many are predicting 4 zergs in the RO4 Honestly at this point I want Rogue and Elazer to go through tomorrow then we somehow convince Maru and whoever finishes second today to raceswitch. If it truly is the last year of WCS we deserve the armageddon of an all zerg Ro8 | ||
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Major
Mexico539 Posts
On October 26 2019 17:35 Xain0n wrote: You are beating a long dead horse, the issues were known in advance to everyone, Blizzard included, and will be fixed right after this tournament. lets fix it after blizzcon that sound amazing! | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On October 26 2019 17:38 showstealer1829 wrote: Honestly at this point I want Rogue and Elazer to go through tomorrow then we somehow convince Maru and whoever finishes second today to raceswitch. If it truly is the last year of WCS we deserve the armageddon of an all zerg Ro8 Oh that would be funny On October 26 2019 17:39 Major wrote: lets fix it after blizzcon that sound amazing! Of course it is! | ||
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CoupdeBoule
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deacon.frost
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rednusa
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On October 26 2019 17:39 Major wrote: lets fix it after blizzcon that sound amazing! Blizzard should have seen this coming in advance, releasing a patch too close to BlizzCon might have been worse than leaving things as they are now. Maybe they could have still made it in time if they reacted right after Code S S3's finals, I am not sure. What's the point in remarking this now? | ||
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Parrek
United States893 Posts
On October 26 2019 17:26 Charoisaur wrote: none of the results in isolation are surprising - but all of them in combination is worrisome, especially considering Zerg hasn't lost a series yet this tournament. It's not like P and T players all suck. It really isn't though. Everyone but Serral had to win a tight 3-2 series against another race to advance. It's not like they're cruising through with 3-0s or 3-1s. On top of that, two of the four zergs advancing are literally the first seed from both regions and one is favored to win the whole thing. The only super surprising zerg to advance would be Elazer, but even then, he was runner up at GSL vs the World so that's not even entirely out of nowhere. | ||
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NoS-Craig
Australia3095 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On October 26 2019 17:53 Parrek wrote: It really isn't though. Everyone but Serral had to win a tight 3-2 series against another race to advance. It's not like they're cruising through with 3-0s or 3-1s. On top of that, two of the four zergs advancing are literally the first seed from both regions and one is favored to win the whole thing. The only super surprising zerg to advance would be Elazer, but even then, he was runner up at GSL vs the World so that's not even entirely out of nowhere. You know this game can be played in the other way around too and list all the achievements of the players who lost? | ||
Liquid`Ret
Netherlands4511 Posts
A lot of the maps look like they are good for zerg, but considering both showtime and hero threw their game 5 vs dark and reynor respectively, in a pretty major way, I don't really understand why there's an outrage about zerg strenght bigger than I have ever seen... Nydus / sh , maps, Nydus look like they're probably too good looking at these games and the last GSL, but these guys are still having to deviler top top performances to clutch out these series , so it's probably not as bad as reading the feedback would have you believe. | ||
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Parrek
United States893 Posts
On October 26 2019 17:55 deacon.frost wrote: You know this game can be played in the other way around too and list all the achievements of the players who lost? I'm not really listing all their achievements. I'm just saying you need to look at context. With small changes, a few zergs could have been knocked out since they had to clutch out 3-2 series. Imagine if Showtime and Special clutched out? Then Dark or soO knock each other out. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On October 26 2019 17:58 Parrek wrote: I'm not really listing all their achievements. I'm just saying you need to look at context. With small changes, a few zergs could have been knocked out since they had to clutch out 3-2 series. Imagine if Showtime and Special clutched out? Then Dark or soO knock each other out. But they didn't, did they? | ||
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Parrek
United States893 Posts
On October 26 2019 17:56 Liquid`Ret wrote: For me it's pretty clear that reynor, serral, dark are supposed to advance from these groups no matter what balance looks like. soO maybe not so cut and clear, but any claim that showtime and special are a better player than soo is kind of hard to make. A lot of the maps look like they are good for zerg, but considering both showtime and hero threw their game 5 vs dark and reynor respectively, in a pretty major way, I don't really understand why there's an outrage about zerg strenght bigger than I have ever seen... Nydus / sh , maps, Nydus look like they're probably too good looking at these games and the last GSL, but these guys are still having to deviler top top performances to clutch out these series , so it's probably not as bad as reading the feedback would have you believe. Basically what I mean, yeah. I think Rogue saying he won due to balance only caught on way too much and the floodgates opened. | ||
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aringadingding
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Andi_Goldberger
Germany1608 Posts
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Parrek
United States893 Posts
On October 26 2019 18:01 aringadingding wrote: If Heromarine survives this group it will be a sad day for sc2. Only because he'd be too massive to fit in the arena | ||
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Tsubbi
Germany7979 Posts
On October 26 2019 17:56 Liquid`Ret wrote: For me it's pretty clear that reynor, serral, dark are supposed to advance from these groups no matter what balance looks like. soO maybe not so cut and clear, but any claim that showtime and special are a better player than soo is kind of hard to make. A lot of the maps look like they are good for zerg, but considering both showtime and hero threw their game 5 vs dark and reynor respectively, in a pretty major way, I don't really understand why there's an outrage about zerg strenght bigger than I have ever seen... Nydus / sh , maps, Nydus look like they're probably too good looking at these games and the last GSL, but these guys are still having to deviler top top performances to clutch out these series , so it's probably not as bad as reading the feedback would have you believe. Having 2 official TL articles lately taking quotes out of context to balance whine about zerg did not help, afterwards the quality of lr threads really deteriorated. | ||
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AzAlexZ
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Poopi
France12795 Posts
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
On October 26 2019 18:05 blooblooblahblah wrote: If Heromarine survives this group it will be a great day for sc2. Yeah, I hope Heromarine or herO make it through. | ||
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aringadingding
474 Posts
On October 26 2019 18:05 blooblooblahblah wrote: If Heromarine survives this group it will be a great day for sc2. Maybe in a way. I guess it is somewhat interesting that a person can reach success by closing the eyes and slamming the face on the keyboard and still win. | ||
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
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stilt
France2749 Posts
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fLyiNgDroNe
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seemsgood
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On October 26 2019 18:07 AzAlexZ wrote: If herO loses this he threw the game, he should have built that Nexus a long time ago i am not even surprised at this point anymoar... | ||
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NoS-Craig
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
On October 26 2019 18:08 aringadingding wrote: Maybe in a way. I guess it is somewhat interesting that a person can reach success by closing the eyes and slamming the face on the keyboard and still win. are you really trying to say Terran is OP right now? i think i've heard it all now | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15928 Posts
On October 26 2019 17:56 Liquid`Ret wrote: For me it's pretty clear that reynor, serral, dark are supposed to advance from these groups no matter what balance looks like. I agree but was Serral expected to advance 6-0 and was Reynor expected to advance in first place? | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On October 26 2019 18:24 Charoisaur wrote: I agree but was Serral expected to advance 6-0 and was Reynor expected to advance in first place? Most likely not and yes are your answers. | ||
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Geo.Rion
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Noonius
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HolydaKing
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On October 26 2019 18:28 Noonius wrote: Chintoss is gonna retire after blizzcon, right? Yes, and herO will maybe join him. | ||
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Australia3095 Posts
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Waxangel
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aringadingding
474 Posts
On October 26 2019 18:22 Schelim wrote: are you really trying to say Terran is OP right now? i think i've heard it all now True, we all know that Terrans have been massively underpowered for a decade. The endless whine from terrans has made that very clear. But no, i dont think terrans is op now. | ||
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blooblooblahblah
Australia4163 Posts
On October 26 2019 18:32 aringadingding wrote: True, we all know that Terrans have been massively underpowered for a decade. The endless whine from terrans has made that very clear. But no, i dont think terrans is op now. then what are you even saying lol | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
Both the Chin and the Gabe are big, who will turn out to be bigger in the end? | ||
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Waxangel
United States33360 Posts
On October 26 2019 18:33 blooblooblahblah wrote: then what are you even saying lol let's just quit it now, people with oddly similar ID's | ||
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blooblooblahblah
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
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aringadingding
474 Posts
On October 26 2019 18:33 blooblooblahblah wrote: then what are you even saying lol Well, me not thinking that Heromarine is r08 material doesnt mean I think Terran is overpowered. I would love to see the best player compete at this level. But this is the way in sports ofc. People can win even though they are not the best. | ||
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aringadingding
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On October 26 2019 18:34 Waxangel wrote: let's just quit it now, people with oddly similar ID's haha i didnt notice the name at first ... kinda funny ^^ | ||
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KingofdaHipHop
United States25602 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany15928 Posts
On October 26 2019 18:36 blooblooblahblah wrote: Feel like Classic has got this one. Heromarine played very well in the first series but he doesn't have tricks up his sleeve so every win is usually a hard fought macro game. Based on previous days, the last match of the day has shown a lot of fatigue and if Heromarine has fatigued at all in the 6 hours since their first series, he's gonna probably have a tough time. Classic is an old man and Protoss is the more mechanically demanding race so I think fatigue should favor HM. | ||
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Poopi
France12795 Posts
On October 26 2019 18:43 KingofdaHipHop wrote: Hey all been unable to watch cause of the times and work, how has the Global finals been so far? Looks like some cool results 100% as expected bar TIME upset Maru and HM upset Classic | ||
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sudete
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aringadingding
474 Posts
Well, well, i hope the series will be entertaining! | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16056 Posts
On October 26 2019 18:47 Poopi wrote: 100% as expected bar TIME upset Maru and HM upset Classic I might be in the minority of Maru fans, but I'm really not surprised he dropped that first series vs Time. Maru's TvT is his weakest match up. Time is actually really good, and Maru has a bad habit of not taking lesser opponents as seriously as he should. Those are all factors into what happened in that first series. Fortunately, Maru being Maru just had to kick into higher gear and once he did Time was outclassed. | ||
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Noonius
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Vindicare605
United States16056 Posts
So I'm cheering for you chintoss. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On October 26 2019 19:00 Noonius wrote: Classic can't win. I have reynor and heromarine on my LB's. Thats what you get for hating on MAru | ||
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Quateras
Germany867 Posts
A direct counterattack, supported by mules for a bit im sure could have given him at least a chance to win maybe? | ||
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sparklyresidue
United States5523 Posts
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Andi_Goldberger
Germany1608 Posts
On October 26 2019 19:03 Quateras wrote: Thought Heromarine gave up too fast this game, he was up 30-40 supply in army. A direct counterattack, supported by mules for a bit im sure could have given him at least a chance to win maybe? as long as he doesnt move command his zealots into widow mines the counter does nothing and the prism kills all his mules | ||
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sudete
Singapore3054 Posts
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stilt
France2749 Posts
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blooblooblahblah
Australia4163 Posts
Looking good for Classic | ||
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Austria11528 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany15928 Posts
On October 26 2019 19:01 Vindicare605 wrote: You know, it would be REALLY unlikely, but if Classic could manage a Blizzcon win right before he retires, that would be the most epic exit for a SC2 pro possible. So I'm cheering for you chintoss. yeah Life was 1 map away from exiting like that - would be cool if Classic can do it. | ||
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watchlulu
Germany474 Posts
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sparklyresidue
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2449 Posts
Gg Heromarine. | ||
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tcb
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Waxangel
United States33360 Posts
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stilt
France2749 Posts
Dunno if it is a mental problem | ||
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sudete
Singapore3054 Posts
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yht9657
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So happy Classic made it out, would be an interesting storyline with him being the last Protoss and Maru being the last Terran. | ||
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DBooN
Germany2727 Posts
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
At least we will still have three races at Anaheim! | ||
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Poopi
France12795 Posts
On October 26 2019 19:27 yht9657 wrote: Outclassed. So happy Classic made it out, would be an interesting storyline with him being the last Protoss and Maru being the last Terran. I doubt Elazer will qualify against Neeb / Trap so there is one more Protoss | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On October 26 2019 19:28 rednusa wrote: Are Koreans doing their best to avoid the winners match to hide play-off XvZ builds? 9000 IQ strats considering one of them gets eliminated in the process. | ||
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yht9657
1810 Posts
On October 26 2019 19:30 Poopi wrote: I doubt Elazer will qualify against Neeb / Trap so there is one more Protoss I thought the same when Elazer played Neeb at GvW but infestors proved me wrong. | ||
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2449 Posts
On October 26 2019 19:28 rednusa wrote: Are Koreans doing their best to avoid the winners match to hide play-off XvZ builds? Let see tomorrow. It could be either Rogue or Trap give up in early matches in order not to meet together in the bracket. | ||
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Anc13nt
1557 Posts
On October 26 2019 19:31 Xain0n wrote: 9000 IQ strats considering one of them gets eliminated in the process. *over 9000 | ||
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MarianoSC2
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ChaosArcher
Germany956 Posts
On October 26 2019 19:24 Waxangel wrote: I was thinking that there must be a historical pattern of a foreigner getting an upset in the first match, only to lose the decider rematch in GSL-style group play. Maybe it's just my memory playing tricks on me, or some recency bias. Pretty sure this is true. There is a pretty straight-forward explaination for it though. If I am a 4 to 1 favorite against someone in a series and lose the first time, 80 percent of the time I will win the rematch. So upsets dont repeat themselves too often, otherwise they would not be upsets in the first place. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On October 26 2019 19:30 Poopi wrote: I doubt Elazer will qualify against Neeb / Trap so there is one more Protoss Elazer could qualify against Rogue in fact In any of case, Elazer's ZvP was always relatively good, the state of the matchup is known and Trap seems to be in a huge slump right now so I wouldn't be so sure another Protoss will join Classic at BlizzCon. In the last four weeks, Trap went 1-1 against Bunny in his best matchup, PvT; other than that, he is 0-3(0-6 in maps) in PvP and 1-5(1-9) in PvZ. | ||
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watchlulu
Germany474 Posts
On October 26 2019 19:10 watchlulu wrote: If Heromarine does the reverse sweep again I will go to sundays church tomorrow and praise the lord well I guess no church for me then | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
On October 26 2019 19:30 Xain0n wrote: Heromarine is way too predictable, he was an easy prey for Classic in this rematch; I believe TIME would have been more at ease in this group At least we will still have three races at Anaheim! I feel like this happened many times before. That is, Heromarine winning the opener and then get eliminated. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16056 Posts
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seemsgood
5527 Posts
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emperorofwild
87 Posts
after this zerg patch maybe only serral | ||
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Poopi
France12795 Posts
On October 26 2019 19:39 Xain0n wrote: Elazer could qualify against Rogue in fact In any of case, Elazer's ZvP was always relatively good, the state of the matchup is known and Trap seems to be in a huge slump right now so I wouldn't be so sure another Protoss will join Classic at BlizzCon. In the last four weeks, Trap went 1-1 against Bunny in his best matchup, PvT; other than that, he is 0-3(0-6 in maps) in PvP and 1-5(1-9) in PvZ. Trust me one of Trap/Neeb qualifies | ||
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ChaosArcher
Germany956 Posts
I think it was the two highest ranked first places against the two lowest ranked seond places. Dark and Serral are fixed for the best first places already and right now the lowest second places are soo and maru. So if Trap or Neeb get second tomorrow the bracket does not need to be drawn at all as people from the same group can not meet in the ro8. It would be: Serral vs. Soo Dark vs. Maru on opposite side of the brackets and Reynor vs Trap/Neeb Elazer/Rogue vs Classic Would be a pretty hype bracket ! | ||
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parksonsc
175 Posts
On October 26 2019 19:39 Xain0n wrote: Elazer could qualify against Rogue in fact In any of case, Elazer's ZvP was always relatively good, the state of the matchup is known and Trap seems to be in a huge slump right now so I wouldn't be so sure another Protoss will join Classic at BlizzCon. In the last four weeks, Trap went 1-1 against Bunny in his best matchup, PvT; other than that, he is 0-3(0-6 in maps) in PvP and 1-5(1-9) in PvZ. you are a crazy foreign bias thinking Elazer could qualify against Rogue. Elazer barely beat Dark and did you see how Rogue destroyed Dark recently? | ||
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TheWildShooter
79 Posts
and Reynor vs Rogue/Elazer Elazer/Rogue vs Classic Fixed dat for you ;3 | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On October 26 2019 19:59 parksonsc wrote: you are a crazy foreign bias thinking Elazer could qualify against Rogue. Elazer barely beat Dark and did you see how Rogue destroyed Dark recently? Do you think Dark can beat Serral? On October 26 2019 19:24 Waxangel wrote: I was thinking that there must be a historical pattern of a foreigner getting an upset in the first match, only to lose the decider rematch in GSL-style group play. Maybe it's just my memory playing tricks on me, or some recency bias. In the whole history of Sc2? I will have a look and check. If I had to write Elazer's article, I would also underline how underrated he has been(and still is) in 2019. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16056 Posts
I do. ZvZ is still very volatile. I think any of the qualified Zergs can knock out any of the others. | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On October 26 2019 19:51 ChaosArcher wrote: Does anyone have the link to the liquipedia page explaining the Ro8 seeding? I think it was the two highest ranked first places against the two lowest ranked seond places. Dark and Serral are fixed for the best first places already and right now the lowest second places are soo and maru. So if Trap or Neeb get second tomorrow the bracket does not need to be drawn at all as people from the same group can not meet in the ro8. It would be: Serral vs. Soo Dark vs. Maru on opposite side of the brackets and Reynor vs Trap/Neeb Elazer/Rogue vs Classic Would be a pretty hype bracket ! I dont believe that s correct. I think there are two rules, one being 1st seed gets a 2nd seen, the other being that you cant meet a group-stage opponent again. And the rest is "random" (And maybe a third rule, that the 2 highest ranked are starting on the opposite side, tho i think that s not actually a rule) | ||
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rayl991
Afghanistan80 Posts
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On October 26 2019 20:19 Vindicare605 wrote: I do. ZvZ is still very volatile. I think any of the qualified Zergs can knock out any of the others. ZvZ is as volatile as any matchup these days, the better players generally advance; upsets obviously exist but they don't really take place too often. Elazer's chances against Rogue should be more solid than Dark's against Serral; I agree than any Zerg at BlizzCon might beat the others but there are clear favorites. | ||
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ChaosArcher
Germany956 Posts
On October 26 2019 20:20 Geo.Rion wrote: I dont believe that s correct. I think there are two rules, one being 1st seed gets a 2nd seen, the other being that you cant meet a group-stage opponent again. And the rest is "random" (And maybe a third rule, that the 2 highest ranked are starting on the opposite side, tho i think that s not actually a rule) I'm pretty sure that I have read about this rule in the comments of some WCS article here on TL and it was confirmed from multiple people. I will check if I can find it | ||
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Waxangel
United States33360 Posts
On October 26 2019 20:35 ChaosArcher wrote: I'm pretty sure that I have read about this rule in the comments of some WCS article here on TL and it was confirmed from multiple people. I will check if I can find it Maybe check the twitch stream from the end of the group stage last year? There may have been some explanation on air. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
It has to be noted koreans prevailed the last four times, and that happened in the last two months and half, so unless Wax was referring to previous expansions, I'd say it's mostly recent bias. | ||
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hjpalpha
Germany339 Posts
On October 26 2019 19:51 ChaosArcher wrote: Does anyone have the link to the liquipedia page explaining the Ro8 seeding? I think it was the two highest ranked first places against the two lowest ranked seond places. Dark and Serral are fixed for the best first places already and right now the lowest second places are soo and maru. So if Trap or Neeb get second tomorrow the bracket does not need to be drawn at all as people from the same group can not meet in the ro8. It would be: Serral vs. Soo Dark vs. Maru on opposite side of the brackets and Reynor vs Trap/Neeb Elazer/Rogue vs Classic Would be a pretty hype bracket ! yeah since its in my userspace i have it: User:Hjpalpha/wip11btw. the matches themself will be determined tomorrow without drawing (that is because Reynor can’t face Classic and Dark can’t face soO) but the seeding within that bracket (aka does Serral get Seed 1 or Dark and does Reynor get Seed 3 or the Winner of group D) | ||
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RDO
Italy60 Posts
On October 26 2019 20:38 Waxangel wrote: Maybe check the twitch stream from the end of the group stage last year? There may have been some explanation on air. I watched the VOD. Basically the rules were: the first seeds from wcs circuit and korea were drawn, one on top and one at the bottom of the bracket. Then the other two first placed from the groups were drawn for the second and the third series, and then they drew the seconds from the groups to finally decide who plays against who. They did the draw live after the last group, so they will probably do the same thing tomorrow. | ||
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hjpalpha
Germany339 Posts
On October 26 2019 20:38 Waxangel wrote: Maybe check the twitch stream from the end of the group stage last year? There may have been some explanation on air. i have access to the rules (which stupidly blizz never published) and made an overview regarding the Ro8 (and onwards) bracket rules and what the result of that will be in my liquipedia userspace btw. i liked it how you called me a wizard in the WCS Fall preview^^ | ||
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hjpalpha
Germany339 Posts
On October 26 2019 21:21 RDO wrote: I watched the VOD. Basically the rules were: the first seeds from wcs circuit and korea were drawn, one on top and one at the bottom of the bracket. Then the other two first placed from the groups were drawn for the second and the third series, and then they drew the seconds from the groups to finally decide who plays against who. They did the draw live after the last group, so they will probably do the same thing tomorrow. no, the rules this year are different, they will only draw which who gets seed 1 (serral/dark) and who gets seed 3 (reynor/tbd) its basically the same system as with wcs challenger playoff bracket seeding only that this time they have to determine who gets seed 1&3 (in challenger the seeds for the group firsts were set by wcs points) | ||
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hjpalpha
Germany339 Posts
On October 26 2019 20:20 Geo.Rion wrote: I dont believe that s correct. I think there are two rules, one being 1st seed gets a 2nd seen, the other being that you cant meet a group-stage opponent again. And the rest is "random" (And maybe a third rule, that the 2 highest ranked are starting on the opposite side, tho i think that s not actually a rule) Serral vs soO confirmed (either as first or third match in the Ro8) also Classic vs 1st of gr. D (either as second or as fourth match in the Ro8) | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On October 26 2019 21:30 hjpalpha wrote: Serral vs soO confirmed (either as first or third match in the Ro8) also Reynor vs 1st of gr. D (either as second or as fourth match in the Ro8) Oh, cool, that makes sense | ||
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hjpalpha
Germany339 Posts
sry, did a mistake in my post, of course its classic who will face the 1st place of gr. D and not Reynor Reynor either plays Neeb/Trap (if Neeb/Trap get 2nd in group D) or Maru (if Rogue or Elazer get 2nd in gr. D) | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On October 26 2019 21:52 hjpalpha wrote: sry, did a mistake in my post, of course its classic who will face the 1st place of gr. D and not Reynor Reynor either plays Neeb/Trap (if Neeb/Trap get 2nd in group D) or Maru (if Rogue or Elazer get 2nd in gr. D) Hm, I don't really like those pairings. I wanted to see new matchups(Reynor against the korean Zerg) but it seems like we'll add new chapters to existing sagas. | ||
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Amarillo Caballero
United States72 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On October 26 2019 22:16 Amarillo Caballero wrote: Foreigners are now 17-21 in maps against Koreans and 4-5 in series. This is super impressive in comparison to the 0-X it might have been 4 or 5 years ago. 4-5 years ago there would be 1 to 4 foreigners as they wouldn't have reserved space (well technically they would, but Polt and others would be here instead :D ) | ||
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ChaosArcher
Germany956 Posts
On October 26 2019 21:16 hjpalpha wrote: yeah since its in my userspace i have it: User:Hjpalpha/wip11btw. the matches themself will be determined tomorrow without drawing (that is because Reynor can’t face Classic and Dark can’t face soO) but the seeding within that bracket (aka does Serral get Seed 1 or Dark and does Reynor get Seed 3 or the Winner of group D) Thanks for clearing it up! I knew I had seen it somewhere. But yeah it is pretty weird of Blizzard to not publish this rules in advance. When it comes to rules transparency is key to avoid confusion and conspiracy theories. | ||
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Majick
416 Posts
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JJH777
United States4404 Posts
On October 27 2019 02:57 Majick wrote: Meanwhile soO knocks out Serral again and proceeds to win the whole thing... That would honestly be amazing. soO would be much more deserving of a blizzcon given his playstyle and history in SC2. | ||
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sudete
Singapore3054 Posts
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On October 27 2019 03:02 JJH777 wrote: That would honestly be amazing. soO would be much more deserving of a blizzcon given his playstyle and history in SC2. What if Reynor wins BlizzCon? That would be amazing too. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On October 26 2019 19:24 Waxangel wrote: I was thinking that there must be a historical pattern of a foreigner getting an upset in the first match, only to lose the decider rematch in GSL-style group play. Maybe it's just my memory playing tricks on me, or some recency bias. If I didn't miss anything, considering Premier tournaments only, it should be 37-23 in favor of koreans, in total. In WCS America it happened the most, and there was like a 9-0 streak in early 2014. Not really that bad for foreigners, after all. | ||
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JoeCool
Germany2517 Posts
That beein said, he looked kinda lost vs Zerg. The first two games against Reynor were great, maybe the best we've seen so far but for some reason I didn't feel like Gabe had a plan after minute ~4 or 5. In both games he just held on as long as he could instead of actually doing sth. to improve his position. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On October 27 2019 05:31 JoeCool wrote: Had to watch the replay since I had no time to watch the games live. Too bad Heromarine did not make it through, was really hoping he'd advance... That beein said, he looked kinda lost vs Zerg. The first two games against Reynor were great, maybe the best we've seen so far but for some reason I didn't feel like Gabe had a plan after minute ~4 or 5. In both games he just held on as long as he could instead of actually doing sth. to improve his position. How can you be lost vsZ as a WCS player? oO It's vZ fest there | ||
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