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[GSL 2019] Code S Season 3 - Grand Finals - Page 18

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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55569 Posts
September 28 2019 09:58 GMT
#341
On September 28 2019 18:57 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2019 18:54 sneakyfox wrote:
On September 28 2019 18:53 Proko wrote:
Yowza. Probably a pretty big advantage for Koreans at Blizzcon early rounds this year. Bad new for foreigners.


Well it's not like they have anything else to do so they can just come to Korea early and take advantage of the superior practice environment.


I wasn't following anymore. Will they hold Global Final's group stages in Korea?

Yes
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
MoDiV
Profile Joined July 2019
United States90 Posts
September 28 2019 10:01 GMT
#342
is the ro16 in korea as well or just the group stages?
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55569 Posts
September 28 2019 10:02 GMT
#343
On September 28 2019 19:01 MoDiV wrote:
is the ro16 in korea as well or just the group stages?

Those are the same thing.

Playoffs are in Anaheim.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
MoDiV
Profile Joined July 2019
United States90 Posts
September 28 2019 10:04 GMT
#344
On September 28 2019 19:02 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2019 19:01 MoDiV wrote:
is the ro16 in korea as well or just the group stages?

Those are the same thing.

Playoffs are in Anaheim.


im dumb.
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12911 Posts
September 28 2019 10:07 GMT
#345
On September 28 2019 18:49 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2019 18:46 Morbidius wrote:
On September 28 2019 18:43 Proko wrote:
On September 28 2019 18:42 Charoisaur wrote:
who is the best Zerg of LotV? Dark or Rogue?


Rogue. But I'm a dark hater so maybe don't listen to me.

Assuming you mean Korean.

otherwise you are wrong. It's Serral.

Rogue wasn't getting bitchslapped out of Blizzcon by Gumiho when Zerg wasn't as good as it is today.


Trash level bait, Serral was still "only" a ladder king back then; if there is someone who wins when Zerg is strong, that's Rogue.

So Rogue and Serral both became something other than ladder king at the same time :o.
WriterMaru
RealityTheGreat
Profile Joined January 2018
China564 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-28 10:08:09
September 28 2019 10:07 GMT
#346
Winfestors
Come and warn me

User was warned for this post
Betrayed, forgotten, abandoned.
repomaniak
Profile Joined January 2009
Poland324 Posts
September 28 2019 10:12 GMT
#347
GSL true artosis pylon


and more clips...
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BerserkSword
Profile Joined December 2018
United States2123 Posts
September 28 2019 10:15 GMT
#348
Sad to see the state of the only game I care about and follow. One of the races has been been completely defanged.

I honestly don't know what goes through the minds of the balance team. Completely neuter a race just because of over representation at a super tournament and a "protossed" meme...is this what starcraft has become?

I hate to say it, but I think this might be SC2's death knell or close to it. WTF are we even watching nowadays? Stats and Classic are on their way out and they are the only one who have won trophies for the entire race since 2017, aside from Neeb who farms NA. SC is and always has been about 3 races. When one of them is not trophy viable it's over. And the balance team has proven once again that they are either incompetent or dont take the balance seriously

Protoss talent is helpless. Stats and Classic each win a smaller premier tournament every year, and the rest of the protoss greats like Zest, sOs, and hero just get trashed and are aging anyway.

sigh
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lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
September 28 2019 10:16 GMT
#349
So, i missed it. Is it worth checking out or is it the usual ZvP stomp?
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16062 Posts
September 28 2019 10:17 GMT
#350
On September 28 2019 19:16 lolfail9001 wrote:
So, i missed it. Is it worth checking out or is it the usual ZvP stomp?

don't watch it.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
BerserkSword
Profile Joined December 2018
United States2123 Posts
September 28 2019 10:17 GMT
#351
On September 28 2019 19:16 lolfail9001 wrote:
So, i missed it. Is it worth checking out or is it the usual ZvP stomp?


you can pass on this one for sure
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Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-28 10:20:24
September 28 2019 10:19 GMT
#352
On September 28 2019 19:07 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2019 18:49 Xain0n wrote:
On September 28 2019 18:46 Morbidius wrote:
On September 28 2019 18:43 Proko wrote:
On September 28 2019 18:42 Charoisaur wrote:
who is the best Zerg of LotV? Dark or Rogue?


Rogue. But I'm a dark hater so maybe don't listen to me.

Assuming you mean Korean.

otherwise you are wrong. It's Serral.

Rogue wasn't getting bitchslapped out of Blizzcon by Gumiho when Zerg wasn't as good as it is today.


Trash level bait, Serral was still "only" a ladder king back then; if there is someone who wins when Zerg is strong, that's Rogue.

So Rogue and Serral both became something other than ladder king at the same time :o.


During Serral's dominant run last year, no other Zerg won a title(Serral won five) and only Reynor reached a final(even if Lambo, Dark and Rogue were eliminated by Serral himself in the ro4).

During Rogue's run in 2017-2018, Serral and Scarlett won titles and Snute, soO, Solar reached a final; this year, since Code S S3 started, Reynor and Serral won titles and Elazer, Solar reached a final.

The difference should be pretty clear.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55569 Posts
September 28 2019 10:21 GMT
#353
On September 28 2019 19:16 lolfail9001 wrote:
So, i missed it. Is it worth checking out or is it the usual ZvP stomp?

Oh it's in contention for worst GSL final since NesTea vs Inca.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
September 28 2019 10:26 GMT
#354
+ Show Spoiler +
On September 28 2019 19:21 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2019 19:16 lolfail9001 wrote:
So, i missed it. Is it worth checking out or is it the usual ZvP stomp?

Oh it's in contention for worst GSL final since NesTea vs Inca.

On September 28 2019 19:17 BerserkSword wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2019 19:16 lolfail9001 wrote:
So, i missed it. Is it worth checking out or is it the usual ZvP stomp?


you can pass on this one for sure

On September 28 2019 19:17 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2019 19:16 lolfail9001 wrote:
So, i missed it. Is it worth checking out or is it the usual ZvP stomp?

don't watch it.


Thanks, though i guess it's worth checking out if i get depressed again, if it's this bad.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12911 Posts
September 28 2019 10:30 GMT
#355
On September 28 2019 19:19 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2019 19:07 Poopi wrote:
On September 28 2019 18:49 Xain0n wrote:
On September 28 2019 18:46 Morbidius wrote:
On September 28 2019 18:43 Proko wrote:
On September 28 2019 18:42 Charoisaur wrote:
who is the best Zerg of LotV? Dark or Rogue?


Rogue. But I'm a dark hater so maybe don't listen to me.

Assuming you mean Korean.

otherwise you are wrong. It's Serral.

Rogue wasn't getting bitchslapped out of Blizzcon by Gumiho when Zerg wasn't as good as it is today.


Trash level bait, Serral was still "only" a ladder king back then; if there is someone who wins when Zerg is strong, that's Rogue.

So Rogue and Serral both became something other than ladder king at the same time :o.


During Serral's dominant run last year, no other Zerg won a title(Serral won five) and only Reynor reached a final(even if Lambo, Dark and Rogue were eliminated by Serral himself in the ro4).

During Rogue's run in 2017-2018, Serral and Scarlett won titles and Snute, soO, Solar reached a final; this year, since Code S S3 started, Reynor and Serral won titles and Elazer, Solar reached a final.

The difference should be pretty clear.

It's pretty tiring to repeat oneself but in WCS (both Circuit and KR) zergs were doing super fine with or without Serral. They also did pretty well in prizemoney $$$ won. It was also pretty clear during BlizzCon that Stats would have no shot at the finals and either of Serral/Rogue would have won it, so it was about who wins the ZvZ in ro4.
Of course no other zerg won a title if you exclude Serral, since Serral won all WCS circuits events lol. They still had fantastic results.

Zerg was super strong in 2017 (with the hydra buff and stuff) when Rogue won. It was also super strong in 2018 when Serral won (especially with the horrendous full of light big ass map where Lambo beat TY, don't remember the name), and it seems strong in 2019 as well, especially now that protoss got nerfed (both were kinda strong at the start of the year)

And it's okay. You can accept the fact that both Rogue and Serral peaked in favorable meta, it doesn't take away the fact that they were the most successfull zerg in their respective dominant years.
WriterMaru
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
September 28 2019 10:54 GMT
#356
On September 28 2019 19:30 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2019 19:19 Xain0n wrote:
On September 28 2019 19:07 Poopi wrote:
On September 28 2019 18:49 Xain0n wrote:
On September 28 2019 18:46 Morbidius wrote:
On September 28 2019 18:43 Proko wrote:
On September 28 2019 18:42 Charoisaur wrote:
who is the best Zerg of LotV? Dark or Rogue?


Rogue. But I'm a dark hater so maybe don't listen to me.

Assuming you mean Korean.

otherwise you are wrong. It's Serral.

Rogue wasn't getting bitchslapped out of Blizzcon by Gumiho when Zerg wasn't as good as it is today.


Trash level bait, Serral was still "only" a ladder king back then; if there is someone who wins when Zerg is strong, that's Rogue.

So Rogue and Serral both became something other than ladder king at the same time :o.


During Serral's dominant run last year, no other Zerg won a title(Serral won five) and only Reynor reached a final(even if Lambo, Dark and Rogue were eliminated by Serral himself in the ro4).

During Rogue's run in 2017-2018, Serral and Scarlett won titles and Snute, soO, Solar reached a final; this year, since Code S S3 started, Reynor and Serral won titles and Elazer, Solar reached a final.

The difference should be pretty clear.

It's pretty tiring to repeat oneself but in WCS (both Circuit and KR) zergs were doing super fine with or without Serral. They also did pretty well in prizemoney $$$ won. It was also pretty clear during BlizzCon that Stats would have no shot at the finals and either of Serral/Rogue would have won it, so it was about who wins the ZvZ in ro4.
Of course no other zerg won a title if you exclude Serral, since Serral won all WCS circuits events lol. They still had fantastic results.

Zerg was super strong in 2017 (with the hydra buff and stuff) when Rogue won. It was also super strong in 2018 when Serral won (especially with the horrendous full of light big ass map where Lambo beat TY, don't remember the name), and it seems strong in 2019 as well, especially now that protoss got nerfed (both were kinda strong at the start of the year)

And it's okay. You can accept the fact that both Rogue and Serral peaked in favorable meta, it doesn't take away the fact that they were the most successfull zerg in their respective dominant years.


I was counting GSL too and excluding the first half of the year(when Rogue IEM, Dark reached multiple finals and Serral clearly wasn't at their level yet); also, such a heavy Zerg environment in WCS produced only one ZvZ mirror final(Serral vs Reynor) with the race being as strong as you claim?
Zerg weren't doing fine in GSL(TvP and TvT finals in Code S S1 and S2, PvP in Super Tournament II).
It was "pretty clear" that Stats, who alone won two of the three maps Serral lost at BlizzCon, couldn't have beaten Rogue? I don't think so, that's your opinion.

While Zerg clearly looks like the strongest race now, when Serral peaked in 2018 it was a good race hard that he personally carried hard.
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
September 28 2019 11:06 GMT
#357
Yay for Rogue

Boo for bad games
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norterrible
Profile Joined October 2009
United States618 Posts
September 28 2019 11:31 GMT
#358
sometimes the finals suck. this was one of those times lol
kekeke
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
September 28 2019 11:53 GMT
#359
Maybe trap's playing pvz wrong but the state of the game looks... so awful. Late game zerg really does look like "play well and win for sure" most games. I know it's a balance whine but the tournament is over so I feel like it's ok.

And like, why is nydus worm even a thing. Why did they make it? Zerg is not only the fastest moving race by far, but also already has mass drop capability with overlords.
Crocolisk Dundee
Profile Blog Joined October 2015
870 Posts
September 28 2019 12:03 GMT
#360
The most exciting moment in this finals was when the camera showed Curious in the audience.
Stopped watching ESL content in 2022 when the company was acquired by Savvy Gaming Group. Also object to sponsorships by the U.S. Air Force. Thanks for the lively discussions about sportswashing. StarCraft II is not for me anymore.
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