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On September 28 2019 23:22 brickrd wrote:
something is wrong with nydus... i don't even think it's BL infestor. like BL infestor is strong, maybe slightly imba, but the constant nyduses everywhere at every stage of the game are what turns it into a circus. not sure what the correct adjustment is, maybe spawn time...?
trap could never leave his base because he always had like 50 supply of tech units defending a new nydus and he couldn't afford things like cannons because he kept losing buildings in the main
anyway happy for rogue and not that angry about balance personally but the games just plain sucked to watch
I feel it’s the combination of various factors, least looking at game 3.
Protoss can’t really kill BL/Infestor if the Zerg is good, so they hit a timing before that really gets set. Protoss armies tend to. be kinda garbage split up around a map (unlike say Bio), so the nydus backstab to counter that attempt at a timing is really potent.
I’ve seen Trap hit a lot of really sharp timings to kill Zergs pre-Brood lately, or at least before BL/Infestor hits critical mass in places like Olimoleague and whatnot.
Rogue’s counter in the relevant games was super solid strategically, just nydus and either the Protoss pulls back to defend and misses that timing, or you start hitting eco and production so the reinforcement potential is reduced and the timing doesn’t work even if you fully commit.
It’s really strong play, you kind of have to respect the Nydus once it pops up in your base. I’ve felt they were (to me anyway) mystifyingly underused by Zergs in mid/late game scenarios until relatively recently, but the top dogs have added it to their toolkit
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That micro battle in the final match had such tension! And so prolonged as well. What a nail biter and display of skill on both sides. If Trap had micro'd better to avoid the biles, i feel that it might've been a different story.
Nonetheless, despite it being one sided, i thoroughly enjoyed the finals. Congratulations Rogue!
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Holy shit Rogue was amazing. He completely outplayed Trap in every single aspect. And Trap was playing like a PvZ god too. Rogue also completely dismantled Dark. Yeah I'm pretty sure that Rogue will win Blizzcon as long as he doesn't get any top level Terrans in his bracket.
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On September 29 2019 14:57 fgonzo wrote:
Holy shit Rogue was amazing. He completely outplayed Trap in every single aspect. And Trap was playing like a PvZ god too. Rogue also completely dismantled Dark. Yeah I'm pretty sure that Rogue will win Blizzcon as long as he doesn't get any top level Terrans in his bracket.
Did you watch BlizzCon last year? I do not think he can beat Serral in a BO5 either.
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On September 29 2019 04:45 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2019 03:37 sneakyfox wrote:On September 29 2019 03:15 The_Red_Viper wrote:On September 29 2019 03:12 Sombre wrote:
My friend says the Sandwiches they handed out were bizarre. Ham and cheese with caramel sauce We should talk more about these things and not about the current balance. Ham + cheese + caramel huh, definitely a weird composition but i'd try it. More importantly, how will this meta develop over the coming month?! For the super tournament they could serve falaffel with ice cream but what will happen at the global finals ro16? Noodle soup with marshmellows? Gummy bear kimchi?!? What the hell is going on afreeca you madmen I heard lambo say that the korean sandwich meta is behind the eu one, so maybe afreeca is trying to be gimmicky and work with surprise ingredients to get the edge.
It's going to be real showdown. Can't wait to see Lambo tweeting about it from home while the best Circuit players are in Seoul playing the Ro16 
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aint a unexpected result cause dude couldnt win a single series against zerg in this season but i didnt think he would go out like this :000
zerg OP i know but its more like he got no really good zerg practice partner for a better preparation
may be team JA should poach Dark who s somewhat less chadness than rogue
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On September 29 2019 09:02 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2019 02:57 brickrd wrote:On September 29 2019 02:56 Tsubbi wrote:
Was Trap sick or something? His played looked absolutely awful no, that's actually what it looks like when a world class protoss defends against nydus attacks (no sarcasm) Basically. He really didn’t even play that badly at all, which is the frustrating thing. A combination of nyduses popping up all over the place, cloaked Infestor runbys, while trying to do something offensively it’s just incredibly difficult to deal with, it looks sloppy as an observer sure but Rogue hit him from so many angles all the time. Rogue utilised all these elements fantastically and really played a great series.
Well, Rogue was everywhere, Trap was not. Therefore Trap played bad
Sure the defending in these situations costs more of your attention than attacking, but Traps defending was still awful
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On October 01 2019 19:02 Harris1st wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2019 09:02 Wombat_NI wrote:On September 29 2019 02:57 brickrd wrote:On September 29 2019 02:56 Tsubbi wrote:
Was Trap sick or something? His played looked absolutely awful no, that's actually what it looks like when a world class protoss defends against nydus attacks (no sarcasm) Basically. He really didn’t even play that badly at all, which is the frustrating thing. A combination of nyduses popping up all over the place, cloaked Infestor runbys, while trying to do something offensively it’s just incredibly difficult to deal with, it looks sloppy as an observer sure but Rogue hit him from so many angles all the time. Rogue utilised all these elements fantastically and really played a great series. Well, Rogue was everywhere, Trap was not. Therefore Trap played bad Sure the defending in these situations costs more of your attention than attacking, but Traps defending was still awful
I mean wouldn’t go as far to say Trap played well, and he made big mistakes, but a 5 or 6/10 rating would be what I’d give. Problem was Rogue was playing great Starcraft, plus had a good anti-Trap gameplan too.
Pity really, hope Trap makes it back to a finals and clutch it out in the future.
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