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[GSL 2019] Season 2 - Quarterfinals Day 1 - Page 16
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kyllinghest
Norway1607 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12134 Posts
On June 05 2019 21:17 Fango wrote: Remember last time Classic won GSL and no one celebrated for him because toss was imba at the time? What I remember was Classic winning and in a week Zest winning the global Championship tournament from all the regional heroes which overshadowed Classic so much he lost in the next RO32. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7435 Posts
On June 05 2019 21:15 Anc13nt wrote: Hope that doesn't happen. I'm biased but to me Inno looked like the better player but made really sloppy mistakes that costed him Haven't seen everything yet but IMO Inno was not the better player today. Though it was close. As was this series. Definitely not a series that can be blamed on the "protoss too stronk and imba"-train | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On June 05 2019 21:18 Anc13nt wrote: Yeah but Inno is the type of guy whose skill can fluctuate a lot in a few months. Too bad because he's looking pretty strong right now but I have hope he might still improve even though its looking bad for him. His skill usually fluctuates depending on how well terran does. Almost every time he's he's won terran has been the best race at the time. I don't think I've even seen him even make ro8 as the sole terran until now. | ||
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Anc13nt
1557 Posts
On June 05 2019 21:22 Harris1st wrote: Haven't seen everything yet but IMO Inno was not the better player today. Though it was close. As was this series. Definitely not a series that can be blamed on the "protoss too stronk and imba"-train I just feel like Trap won on the back of prism harrass and the ninja base while Inno won by outmacroing and outmicroing which I find more impressive | ||
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renaissanceMAN
United States1840 Posts
On June 05 2019 21:24 Anc13nt wrote: I just feel like Trap won on the back of prism harrass and the ninja base while Inno won by outmacroing and outmicroing which I find more impressive ^ This, Inno would be pounding on his front door taking expansions and being defended from taking everything by just enough while trap sent a single warp prism into his main or natural. | ||
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seemsgood
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Anc13nt
1557 Posts
On June 05 2019 21:27 seemsgood wrote: trap didnt play too well either everything was pretty Ok ish from him save for game one but bogus s micro was unacceptable today as a terran admittedly his storm dodging was just bad. I'm watching Maru vs Trap to see what Inno did wrong and I'll admit Maru's reaction time and multitask are a lot better. His defense against warp prism in particular was a lot better. Inno always sent his whole army back whereas Maru just had enough units and micro'd them well enough to deal with harass. In fairness, Trap harassed Inno a lot more intensely than he did against Maruv so that probably made a difference. | ||
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Anc13nt
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On June 05 2019 21:33 Anc13nt wrote: admittedly his storm dodging was just bad. I'm watching Maru vs Trap to see what Inno did wrong and I'll admit Maru's reaction time and multitask are a lot better. His defense against warp prism in particular was a lot better. Inno always sent his whole army back whereas Maru just had enough units and micro'd them well enough to deal with harass. In fairness, Trap harassed Inno a lot more intensely than he did against Maruv so that probably made a difference. Trap was outmacroed by Inno but his control(most of the times) and his multitasking were better. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7435 Posts
On June 05 2019 21:26 renaissanceMAN wrote: ^ This, Inno would be pounding on his front door taking expansions and being defended from taking everything by just enough while trap sent a single warp prism into his main or natural. Maybe that is just me but when a single warp prism kills/ cripples you, you are not playing well. Specially multiple times in a row. Get a turret and a cyclone and voilà, you are safe. Edit: There is a reason people don't try this as much vs Maru or Serral. They don't take damage and it's almost never worth it. Edit2: Look how well Trap defendend most of the drops from Inno. Almost never took damage | ||
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Anc13nt
1557 Posts
On June 05 2019 21:37 Xain0n wrote: Trap was outmacroed by Inno but his control(most of the times) and his multitasking were better. Yeah I've felt the same about his multitask. I think his decision making and strategy are actually pretty good but he sometimes plays too decisively and either gives up his timing or creates an all in situation that didn't need to happen. Edit: In terms of micro, his splitting is still really good but he suffers because his reaction time and multitask (which seem to be pretty related) aren't Maru-level. Whenever Maru got psi-stormed, he reacted lightning fast whereas Inno was walking in and out of storms for days. That might be why Inno succeeds with his timing-based style, because it requires less multitask but more macro and tech unit usage. which play to his strengths (I think that's why his TvT is so strong). Maru on the other hand is a lot more dynamic and even though he does a lot of timings too, his defense/transitions are a lot better (he gets his third running faster it feels like). | ||
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Anc13nt
1557 Posts
On June 05 2019 21:40 Harris1st wrote: Maybe that is just me but when a single warp prism kills/ cripples you, you are not playing well. Specially multiple times in a row. Get a turret and a cyclone and voilà, you are safe. Edit: There is a reason people don't try this as much vs Maru or Serral. They don't take damage and it's almost never worth it. Edit2: Look how well Trap defendend most of the drops from Inno. Almost never took damage hindsight is 20/20 but the reason why Inno's timings are so strong is precisely because he doesn't do those things. Looking back, I agree that he should've done what you said but it wasn't immediately obvious that that was the right choice. For a while It really did look like his timing would win the series in the last game (since the templar archives got unpowered) but it turned out to be barely too late. | ||
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DreamlnCode
United Kingdom77 Posts
You can't take a 'Wait and See' approach to balancing the game when you created these glaring issues in the first place without fixing them. But at this point I think Blizzard has enough problems to deal with before they even think about addressing this. | ||
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seemsgood
5527 Posts
On June 05 2019 21:33 Anc13nt wrote: admittedly his storm dodging was just bad. I'm watching Maru vs Trap to see what Inno did wrong and I'll admit Maru's reaction time and multitask are a lot better. His defense against warp prism in particular was a lot better. Inno always sent his whole army back whereas Maru just had enough units and micro'd them well enough to deal with harass. In fairness, Trap harassed Inno a lot more intensely than he did against Maruv so that probably made a difference. On June 05 2019 21:40 Harris1st wrote: Maybe that is just me but when a single warp prism kills/ cripples you, you are not playing well. Specially multiple times in a row. Get a turret and a cyclone and voilà, you are safe. Edit: There is a reason people don't try this as much vs Maru or Serral. They don't take damage and it's almost never worth it. Edit2: Look how well Trap defendend most of the drops from Inno. Almost never took damage its because dude never really wanted to play long game against P and harrassing really hurt his timing all in so his style s better suited for small map or shitty spawn cobalt . i dont know but bogus s play in the later stage of the game feels pretty reluctant to me maru and serral just let the opponent throws whatever he wants and react to it | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12134 Posts
On June 05 2019 22:02 seemsgood wrote: its because dude never really wanted to play long game against P and harrassing really hurt his timing all in so his style s better suited for small map or shitty spawn cobalt . i dont know but bogus s play in the later stage of the game feels pretty reluctant to me maru and serral just let the opponent throws whatever he wants and react to it In that case do a proper all-in, take most of the SCVs and let Trap go into a basetrade. This was a push intended to kill Protoss while the Protoss couldn't kill your production(when your production isn't supporting the push). It seems to be too indecisive. I get where you aim, I just think that under the current circumstances you have to take the SCVs or prepare defense against a drop. You can't do a half baked solution nowadays. But maybe I'm too harsh on Terrans, in the end I am a very bad Terran. So I may see it wrong  | ||
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NbaLover
24 Posts
On June 05 2019 21:53 DreamlnCode wrote: Yeh, I think i'm done watching for the season, unless the planets align and Dark makes the finals. You can't take a 'Wait and See' approach to balancing the game when you created these glaring issues in the first place without fixing them. But at this point I think Blizzard has enough problems to deal with before they even think about addressing this. Good, we don't really want a cry baby anyways. Balance is fine, terran just need to learn to git gud I'm just glad we can finally enjoy a GSL final without a Terran in it. As long as we get to see dark in the final, it's all good. (unless he does his usual chokejob) | ||
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DreamlnCode
United Kingdom77 Posts
On June 05 2019 22:58 NbaLover wrote: Good, we don't really want a cry baby anyways. Balance is fine, terran just need to learn to git gud I'm just glad we can finally enjoy a GSL final without a Terran in it. As long as we get to see dark in the final, it's all good. (unless he does his usual chokejob) ha, much english, very clear. You'd have to be blind to not see a current problem in all match-ups, but of course it's more comforting to blame a single race. | ||
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burnturn
United States59 Posts
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yyltyler
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