[GSL 2019] Code S Season 2 - RO16 Group D

On May 31 2019 04:32 xelnaga_empire wrote:
I would be surprised if the two Protoss don't make it out,

On May 31 2019 05:11 Xain0n wrote:
Patience gets out of this group and wins Code S on top of his stellar PvP!

On May 31 2019 11:14 brickrd wrote:
innovation and dark just because i want to laugh my head off watching the balance whiners strain their narrative after weeks of ALL tOsS rO8!!!!

On May 31 2019 10:48 neutralrobot wrote:


Nah, soO is going to win the tournament with cheese strats every step of the way. He holds up the trophy and rips off his mask at the end to reveal that he's been BitByBit this whole time and playing the longest, most strategic con game we've ever seen in the history of eSports. "Cheese strats best strats!" he yells to a stunned audience. After a long silence, the strained voice of Artosis can be heard. "My god, I guess he's right," he says tearfully. "All this time, he had the whole game figured out, and the right way to play was by cheesing. My life is a lie."
Tasteless chimes in, saying, "For those of you who don't know, cheesing is where you use a strategy intended to win in the opening through risky, usually very aggressive play."
The end.

On May 31 2019 10:48 neutralrobot wrote:


Nah, soO is going to win the tournament with cheese strats every step of the way. He holds up the trophy and rips off his mask at the end to reveal that he's been BitByBit this whole time and playing the longest, most strategic con game we've ever seen in the history of eSports. "Cheese strats best strats!" he yells to a stunned audience. After a long silence, the strained voice of Artosis can be heard. "My god, I guess he's right," he says tearfully. "All this time, he had the whole game figured out, and the right way to play was by cheesing. My life is a lie."
Tasteless chimes in, saying, "For those of you who don't know, cheesing is where you use a strategy intended to win in the opening through risky, usually very aggressive play."
The end.

On May 31 2019 10:48 neutralrobot wrote:


Nah, soO is going to win the tournament with cheese strats every step of the way. He holds up the trophy and rips off his mask at the end to reveal that he's been BitByBit this whole time and playing the longest, most strategic con game we've ever seen in the history of eSports. "Cheese strats best strats!" he yells to a stunned audience. After a long silence, the strained voice of Artosis can be heard. "My god, I guess he's right," he says tearfully. "All this time, he had the whole game figured out, and the right way to play was by cheesing. My life is a lie."
Tasteless chimes in, saying, "For those of you who don't know, cheesing is where you use a strategy intended to win in the opening through risky, usually very aggressive play."
The end.

On May 31 2019 20:52 Athenau wrote:
I'm hoping for the fallback meme of 7 protoss + Soo myself.

On May 31 2019 16:37 Xain0n wrote:


That's a great story!

On May 31 2019 17:29 deacon.frost wrote:

Yeah, 8/16 RO16 and 5/8 RO8 seems completely fine from what can be called an equal race distribution in RO32. No reason to whine at all, right?

On June 01 2019 11:32 Mlord wrote:
Gogo patience and stats

On June 01 2019 13:18 Morbidius wrote:
What happened? I looked away and Dark won.

On June 01 2019 13:24 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
I'm sorry is someone playing another game in the background? Why do I hear gunshots?

On June 01 2019 13:24 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
I'm sorry is someone playing another game in the background? Why do I hear gunshots?

On June 01 2019 13:26 Waxangel wrote:
Patience realized he was about to be arrested for warcrimes and decided not to bring his prism along to micro

On June 01 2019 13:29 Captain Peabody wrote:
The wind has changed...Protoss everywhere suddenly fear for their lives

On June 01 2019 13:30 pdd wrote:
Dark played that very well. He realised very quickly he couldn't save his 3rd and just retreated, teched up for detection and reset.

EDIT: Also, aren't tosses nowadays just protecting their warp prism, choosing to warp in units rather than juggling immortals?

On June 01 2019 13:34 seemsgood wrote:

they can bring a hero probe like lotv trailer and warp an pylon near zerg s natural tho

On June 01 2019 13:43 OsaX Nymloth wrote:
Is this the group from which no protoss advances? Even Stats seems to get bopped this g1

On June 01 2019 13:56 pdd wrote:
This game actually looks exactly the same as the game these two played in the recent Olimoleague on this map.

On June 01 2019 14:21 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
i love that we're just calling it "the green"

On June 01 2019 14:23 OsaX Nymloth wrote:

We should rename it to Green Fields Cruise '84

On June 01 2019 14:24 pvsnp wrote:
Petition to rename this map "The Green"

On June 01 2019 14:25 pdd wrote:
Great game.

- Who said Turbo Cruise '84 was a bad map? It kinda forces a macro game around the sides

- MMMM is a pretty fun build.

On June 01 2019 14:42 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Lategame Nydus usage is pretty fun to watch. Maybe Blizz. has finally found the sweet spot for the Nydus.

On June 01 2019 14:45 Snakestyle11 wrote:
See blizzard... innovation versus dark.. its what sc2 should look like.

Not 2 base all-ins deciding the game every game.. Protoss makes for such bad games in all match-ups. Because no defender advantage!! So protoss win 1 fight and its game over.

On June 01 2019 14:45 Snakestyle11 wrote:
See blizzard... innovation versus dark.. its what sc2 should look like.

Not 2 base all-ins deciding the game every game.. Protoss makes for such bad games in all match-ups. Because no defender advantage!! So protoss win 1 fight and its game over.

On June 01 2019 15:00 OsaX Nymloth wrote:
7 SCV's? Inno can do it.
MVP vs Tefel, never forget.

On June 01 2019 15:07 IshinShishi wrote:
inno made a huge mistake by turning back, im pretty sure he just dumpsters Dark with his bigger army supply and 2/2 vs 1/1, he let Dark finish his upgrades and get a bigger army, just bad decision making

On June 01 2019 15:23 IshinShishi wrote:
damn, patience messed up the force fields, he just needed a little bit more time, that was sad considering he outplayed stats most of the game

On June 01 2019 15:31 IshinShishi wrote:

patience only needed to forcefield Stats off, he let him through and that lost him the game, stats was desperate and basically needed Patience to make a big mistake.

On June 01 2019 15:31 IshinShishi wrote:

patience only needed to forcefield Stats off, he let him through and that lost him the game, stats was desperate and basically needed Patience to make a big mistake.

On June 01 2019 15:43 Durnuu wrote:
Cobalt game 2 HYPE

On June 01 2019 15:51 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Not having any vision across the LOS blockers really killed Stats there.

On June 01 2019 15:52 pvsnp wrote:


Those three tanks each got off about a dozen shots

On June 01 2019 16:14 Durnuu wrote:
Inb4 Innovation wins this season so Terran gets its 8th code S win in a row

On June 01 2019 16:17 pvsnp wrote:
Honestly I think Inno might be better off facing Trap than herO, even though Trap is way stronger. herO can pull out some nasty cheese and Inno tends to perform best against more orthodox Protoss like Trap.

On June 01 2019 20:29 Penev wrote:
good to have some better racial distribution but I'm sad about Stats not advancing

and his play, geez

On June 01 2019 21:38 Boggyb wrote:

Semis are going to be 2 Zerg, 1 Terran, and 1 Protoss. Finals are going to be either a TvZ or a ZvZ. And people will still complain about Protoss.

On June 01 2019 21:38 Boggyb wrote:

Semis are going to be 2 Zerg, 1 Terran, and 1 Protoss. Finals are going to be either a TvZ or a ZvZ. And people will still complain about Protoss.

On June 01 2019 22:19 Nakajin wrote:


A zvz final would be the only acceptable outcome beside pvp

On June 01 2019 23:32 Charoisaur wrote:

there also has never been a time where people weren't complaining about Terran ore Zerg.

On June 01 2019 21:23 deacon.frost wrote:

It's worse than in RO16 But hey, better than ST, so something

On June 02 2019 01:59 youngjiddle wrote:
It gets tiring to hear the players who advance complain about balance.

Finals look like they will be Dark vs. Innovation/soO. I just find it hilarious to hear them balance whine after destroying their opponents.

I just hope the balance team is smart enough not to fall for it. What do you guys think?

On June 01 2019 23:12 Boggyb wrote:

Has there ever been a time in SC2 when people weren't complaining about Protoss? I'm pretty sure Zerg were still complaining about Protoss in early 2018 when the match up was Wings of Liberty levels of broken.

If GSL were 16 Terran, 15 Zerg, and 1 Protoss, people would still be calling Protoss OP.

On June 01 2019 23:43 Nakajin wrote:


I mean I can't say I have seen someone complain about Terran since IEM Katowice

There's also been moment when everyone was pretty ok with zerg, late HOTS for exemple.

On June 02 2019 05:58 pvsnp wrote:


People are complaining extensively about Terran whiners in this very thread. How dare Terrans not rejoice at the 5/2/1 distribution, this is clearly the epitome of balance.

I will never cease to be amazed at the shamelessness of people whining about whine. Winning isn't enough, disproportionate and dare I say imbalanced representation isn't enough, no, any hint of dissent must be totally suppressed and stamped out.

On June 02 2019 06:57 Argonauta wrote:



Its hard to make a believable statement saying all protoss players became much better than their peers of others races at the same time.

On June 02 2019 06:57 Argonauta wrote:



Its hard to make a believable statement saying all protoss players became much better than their peers of others races at the same time.

On June 02 2019 06:34 Xain0n wrote:


Winning? One Super Tournament(against a Terran who isn't Maru or Inno), a competition Protoss dominated even in their subpar 2018? Oppressive, I dare to say...

In the last six weeks Protoss, in GSL only, have had a presence slightly superior to Zerg's during BL Infestor era; GomTvT is tiers above. Those periods of imbalance, however(including Blinkfest), lasted much longer(four months or more) and produced a streak of champions of the same race in addiction to many mirror finals, not to mention the fact global winrates were heavily skewed in favor of the dominant faction; that's not definitely what we are seeing at the moment.

It's undeniable that race distribution is not ideal at the moment and that Protoss need to have some of their early/mid game strenght nerfed and/or translated to the late game; people are instead whining as if Protoss was unbeatable in all the matchups and globally dominating for months, it's just disproportionate.

On June 02 2019 07:32 Wombat_NI wrote:

Is that what people argue?

It’s not they became better, they have been better, and for a long, long time than some of their peers.

There are more Protoss players I’d put in the top 16 in Korea than those of the other races, guys with pedigree in winning big tournaments.

They’re not however, better than the top players of other races, so they don’t dominate tournaments but they can maybe dominate the top 16/8 of a particular tournament.

Zest, Parting, sOs, herO, Stats and Classic have all won big big tournaments. Dear has even won a GSL and Trap is a bloody good player.

That’s 7 players who have a premier, many have multiples.

Terran have what, 4 in Maru, Inno, Ty and Gumiho?

The argument isn’t that Protoss have better players than those 4, it’s that they have better players than Bunny/Cure/Fantasy etc, which they do on historic achievement.

On June 02 2019 07:39 Wombat_NI wrote:
I’ll also add that Terrans and Zergs have been unfortunate in Korea in terms of the players they’ve lost vs their Protoss equivalents.

Taeja to Mvp to injury were big losses to fans of Terran and fans of Starcraft. Byun hit the top of the mountain and had to vacate it for reasons outside his control. Flash had shown consistent improvement and won a tournament, Dream showed tournament winning potential.

Zergs lost the most talented player they ever had IMO for extremely regrettable reasons.

Protoss have basically had Rain depart and that’s basically it in terms of people who didn’t just fall off naturally

On June 02 2019 07:38 pvsnp wrote:


Our current PvPlayoffs has surpassed even GomTvT and BL/Infestor in terms of GSL (mis)representation. And why do we remember GomTvT and BL/Infestor so many years later? Because they were exceptionally imbalanced periods that persisted for far too long without intervention from Blizzard. At the time, many opportunistic hypocrites were happy to defend imbalance when it was in their favor. But who today will argue that Blizzard should have allowed those eras to continue?

Now we are confronted by PvPlayoffs, and what do we hear? Opportunistic hypocrites once again advocating for continued imbalance, simply because it's in their favor.

On June 02 2019 07:43 Morbidius wrote:

Its embarassing that we have to read arguments such as ''My race has more good players'' in 2019. Its funny how you list every single Protoss player who achieved something and is still active as a argument. Lets do that for Zerg too? Losira is a GSL finalist, Leenock and Solar have won multiple premier tournaments, Scarlett won an IEM in Korea, why aren't Korean tournaments flooded by these amazing Zergs? The fact is you can do whatever mental gymnastics you want, the amount of good Protoss players is not more than the other two races combined times two as your logic and recent results would suggest.


Oh yes, i wonder why these 2015 retirements took 4 years to change the competition. Byun, Life and Taeja retiring is certainly what allowed the GSL to be filled by players like Hurricane.

On June 02 2019 07:46 Wombat_NI wrote:

Well no.

BL/Infestor had periods where players placed highly or won tournaments who were never relevant again at the highest level, current period has Protoss players with historically consistent results doing well.

BL/Infestor had obviously broken elements of the game that needed tweaked, not the case with this current period of Protoss doing well.

There may be issues that need a rework sure, but some people can’t even point to what the actual problems are other then Protoss winning games.

With BL/Infestor it was absolutely obvious, they could rush to BL/Infestor, fungal was too good and this was an issue in both ZvT and ZvP.

What is the shared problem that is seeing Protoss doing well in both PvT and PvZ?

On June 02 2019 07:52 Wombat_NI wrote:


Where’s the Terran or Zerg Hurricane then?

On June 02 2019 07:46 Wombat_NI wrote:

Well no.

BL/Infestor had periods where players placed highly or won tournaments who were never relevant again at the highest level, current period has Protoss players with historically consistent results doing well.

BL/Infestor had obviously broken elements of the game that needed tweaked, not the case with this current period of Protoss doing well.

There may be issues that need a rework sure, but some people can’t even point to what the actual problems are other then Protoss winning games.

With BL/Infestor it was absolutely obvious, they could rush to BL/Infestor, fungal was too good and this was an issue in both ZvT and ZvP.

What is the shared problem that is seeing Protoss doing well in both PvT and PvZ?