EPTI don't blame protoss players for trying to end the game early when there is pretty much nothing they can do against late game infestor compositions now that carriers are garbage, tempests go down like flies, and feedback got nerfed in half. Protoss even loses out against late game Terran with the buffed BC and Thor that slaughter skytoss.
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
I don't blame protoss players for trying to end the game early when there is pretty much nothing they can do against late game infestor compositions now that carriers are garbage, tempests go down like flies, and feedback got nerfed in half. Protoss even loses out against late game Terran with the buffed BC and Thor that slaughter skytoss. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On May 22 2019 22:48 BerserkSword wrote: The interesting thing is that we saw this powerful midgame PvZ play really started to emerge after the carrier, tempest, and high templar got nerfed really hard. I don't blame protoss players for trying to end the game early when there is pretty much nothing they can do against late game infestor compositions now that carriers are garbage, tempests go down like flies, and feedback got nerfed in half. Protoss even loses out against late game Terran with the buffed BC and Thor that slaughter skytoss. Make Carriers great again and nerf Warp Prism's range. | ||
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renaissanceMAN
United States1840 Posts
On May 22 2019 22:48 BerserkSword wrote: The interesting thing is that we saw this powerful midgame PvZ play really started to emerge after the carrier, tempest, and high templar got nerfed really hard. I don't blame protoss players for trying to end the game early when there is pretty much nothing they can do against late game infestor compositions now that carriers are garbage, tempests go down like flies, and feedback got nerfed in half. Protoss even loses out against late game Terran with the buffed BC and Thor that slaughter skytoss. ![[image loading]](https://imgflip.com/s/meme/Black-Girl-Wat.jpg) where is this happening cause I want to watch these games to know how a terran can even make it to that point User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25658 Posts
On May 22 2019 22:46 renaissanceMAN wrote: you'd be surprised how well it still works in diamond league!  Judging from my own ladder experiences I’m surprised it doesn’t work every game haha, those pro players are wizards | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25658 Posts
On May 22 2019 22:54 renaissanceMAN wrote: + Show Spoiler + where is this happening cause I want to watch these games to know how a terran can even make it to that point Gumiho beat Classic with that composition in Super Tournament I’m pretty sure. | ||
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J. Corsair
United States470 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25658 Posts
On May 22 2019 23:09 J. Corsair wrote: why anybody would play zero or terrain right now when they could just play protons i don't understand. Very disappointing that the balance team hasn't made a peep on the subject. If they wanted to win the last WESG, IEM Katowice, GAL or 6 or 7 WCS tournaments? I don’t know ask them? | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On May 22 2019 22:54 renaissanceMAN wrote: where is this happening cause I want to watch these games to know how a terran can even make it to that point Maru vs Dear code S 1 Maru vs Classic code S 1 Maru vs stats super tournament Gumiho vs Zest super tournament Gumiho vs Classic super tournament | ||
Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On May 22 2019 23:16 Wombat_NI wrote: If they wanted to win the last WESG, IEM Katowice, GAL or 6 or 7 WCS tournaments? I don’t know ask them? I can't for the life of me figure out what GAL is and it's driving me crazy Oh god it's GSL I'm a fucking idiot | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25658 Posts
On May 22 2019 23:31 Nakajin wrote: I can't for the life of me figure out what GAL is and it's driving me crazy Oh god it's GSL I'm a fucking idiot No it’s GAL, I forgot about GSL somehow but that too :p | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On May 22 2019 23:35 Wombat_NI wrote: No it’s GAL, I forgot about GSL somehow but that too :p Oh for fuck sake, then what's GAL? Global....A?...League Golden...A...League? GSL-Against...L? I mean I feel like it should be Blizzcon or HSC but I can't make the letter to work  | ||
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Clazziquai10
Singapore1949 Posts
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M2
Bulgaria4123 Posts
On May 23 2019 00:19 Clazziquai10 wrote: What if we have 8 protoss in the RO8? It will be a bit strange, usually there are always one or two surprises, but hey sometimes everything might go as expected and we'll get the favorites, hence, 8 protosses  | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On May 22 2019 23:16 Wombat_NI wrote: If they wanted to win the last WESG, IEM Katowice, GAL or 6 or 7 WCS tournaments? I don’t know ask them? At the same we have GSL Code S Season 2 with 8 P in RO16, we had IEM with 6 Protosses at RO12, 5 Zergs and 1 Terran. We had GSL Protoss Tournament. We have under-representation of Zerg in RO16 of Code S for several seasons now. We just got rid off a map pool that was so Terran punishing it wasn't even funny and we can't say how will be the new one(and with the speed of Blizzard this won't be noticed until Blizzcon is over). While this whine isn't exactly right, you have much better chances to get monies as Protoss opposed to Zerg or Terran. Especially Terran if we count in the ZP WCS. On May 23 2019 00:12 Nakajin wrote: Oh for fuck sake, then what's GAL? Global....A?...League Golden...A...League? GSL-Against...L? I mean I feel like it should be Blizzcon or HSC but I can't make the letter to work Guys against Ladies! Give all love! Global alien league! Golden armada leader! So many possibilities | ||
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seemsgood
5527 Posts
On May 22 2019 22:48 BerserkSword wrote: The interesting thing is that we saw this powerful midgame PvZ play really started to emerge after the carrier, tempest, and high templar got nerfed really hard. I don't blame protoss players for trying to end the game early when there is pretty much nothing they can do against late game infestor compositions now that carriers are garbage, tempests go down like flies, and feedback got nerfed in half. Protoss even loses out against late game Terran with the buffed BC and Thor that slaughter skytoss. Apple is apple and orange is orange I do say we nerf protoss first then process into addressing it's late game Pro players must play alot of late game vs zerg and Terran like about 2-3 tournaments with a decent amount of late game using Stargate tech before concluding anything because honestly reading your whine post about toss late game time and time again is annoying as fuck and why you still havent gotten nuked for doing that is beyond me. it is tenfond worse than zerg n terran full force whines combined If protoss late is too weak then buff it but protoss players gotta prove it first By stop carting zerg and Terran with templarnrobot tech first ofc | ||
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Moonerz
United States449 Posts
So far Super Tournament 2.0 is on the way! | ||
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raff100
498 Posts
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On May 23 2019 02:30 seemsgood wrote: Apple is apple and orange is orange I do say we nerf protoss first then process into addressing it's late game Pro players must play alot of late game vs zerg and Terran like about 2-3 tournaments with a decent amount of late game using Stargate tech before concluding anything because honestly reading your whine post about toss late game time and time again is annoying as fuck and why you still havent gotten nuked for doing that is beyond me. it is tenfond worse than zerg n terran full force whines combined If protoss late is too weak then buff it but protoss players gotta prove it first By stop carting zerg and Terran with templarnrobot tech first ofc It's funny how when Terran were dismantling Protoss with midrange pushes the main problem still was how weak Terran lategame was. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25658 Posts
On May 23 2019 02:30 seemsgood wrote: Apple is apple and orange is orange I do say we nerf protoss first then process into addressing it's late game Pro players must play alot of late game vs zerg and Terran like about 2-3 tournaments with a decent amount of late game using Stargate tech before concluding anything because honestly reading your whine post about toss late game time and time again is annoying as fuck and why you still havent gotten nuked for doing that is beyond me. it is tenfond worse than zerg n terran full force whines combined If protoss late is too weak then buff it but protoss players gotta prove it first By stop carting zerg and Terran with templarnrobot tech first ofc It’s nowhere near that because it’s actually kinda obviously true. Terran one is debatable I guess, Zerg definitely seems to be the case. Vs other whine which is literally any time a Protoss wins a match regardless of how many mistakes their opponent made or how well the Protoss played, that don’t make any kind of sensible suggestions that consider the big knock-on effects those changes could all potentially have. Templar feedback was a relatively big nerf, Carrier was pretty big. In combination when they’re both big components of Protoss lategame vZ, seems pretty sensible that maybe that’s not an area Protoss want to try to go up against Zerg in. That top Protoss players seem to have accepted this and ground out fiendish and ever more refined timing attacks seems very much a tactic acceptance of this and a necessity breeds invention kind of scenario. It’s nowhere near as extreme no, Protoss relied on timing attacks for ages once BL/Infestor matured. | ||
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mpmaley86
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