[GSL 2019] Season 2 - Ro16 Group A

On May 22 2019 18:56 sneakyfox wrote:


lol, damn.

Everything is a mess now. Truly ragnarok

On May 22 2019 19:11 Heartland wrote:


He'd die in the timing, just like he died when he tried to tech to Lurkers.

On May 22 2019 19:14 Wombat_NI wrote:
Damn I’m lagging behind, cursed real life.

Twitch is sorely lacking the ability to rewind live broadcasts IMO, thank fook for Afreeca’s YouTube stream

On May 22 2019 19:21 Need wrote:
Imagine thinking Hurricane or Fantasy stand a chance to survive Ragnagod's fury

On May 22 2019 19:22 Argonauta wrote:
Zerg is so just weak... even ragnarock holdign that push classic would have ben ahead, he was up in workers once again

On May 22 2019 19:34 seemsgood wrote:
mech it happen motherfucker

On May 22 2019 19:34 seemsgood wrote:
mech it happen motherfucker

On May 22 2019 19:44 fastr wrote:
Warp prism and nydus are the 2 biggest design issues left with sc2

On May 22 2019 19:48 Ej_ wrote:
And when all is said and done, the Terran still wins.

On May 22 2019 19:49 sneakyfox wrote:
Lol, of course it's Cyber Forest. Get rekt terran

On May 22 2019 19:50 BirdBird wrote:


Cyber Forest has some good siege tank positions
maybe maybe

On May 22 2019 19:51 deacon.frost wrote:

Uhm, 40 % WR against Zerg, 40 % WR against Protoss. Cyber FOrest is good for TvT

On May 22 2019 19:55 BirdBird wrote:


see look what I said
right in front of the natural
good siege position

On May 22 2019 20:13 IshinShishi wrote:
Hurricane would roll over and die if fantasy hadn't lost stim, too bad he did.

On May 22 2019 20:27 yht9657 wrote:

PartinG's done it both on his stream and in GSL, only to limited effect tho.

On May 22 2019 20:52 yht9657 wrote:

Basically repeatedly right-clicking on the target at a high rate while using pulsar beam will increase the dps up to a point where one oracle can effectively kill probes protected by shield battery.

On May 22 2019 20:52 yht9657 wrote:

Basically repeatedly right-clicking on the target at a high rate while using pulsar beam will increase the dps up to a point where one oracle can effectively kill probes protected by shield battery.

On May 22 2019 21:00 Ej_ wrote:
Ragnarok doing cool shit and meanwhile FanTaSy wins the game.

On May 22 2019 21:06 Xain0n wrote:
Flanktasy seems to have Ragnagod's number. I really love whoever wins advances to the ro16.

On May 22 2019 21:15 IshinShishi wrote:
Ragnarok almost won with gglords down 70 supply, jesus battle mech sucks in straight up battles.

On May 22 2019 21:21 Ej_ wrote:
Is he seriouslygoing RR SH vs speed banshees?

On May 22 2019 21:29 renaissanceMAN wrote:
annoying that it’s so easy for Z to walk the razors edge and be behind in econ so badly and still win

On May 22 2019 21:34 IshinShishi wrote:
I think fantasy played well that game, the rush distance really helped ragnarok a ton, if it was cross positions I'd bet on fantasy winning.

On May 22 2019 21:34 IshinShishi wrote:
I think fantasy played well that game, the rush distance really helped ragnarok a ton, if it was cross positions I'd bet on fantasy winning.

On May 22 2019 21:30 Ej_ wrote:

Missed the ending of the game, but I doubt the win was, because of the genious strategic choice more than FanTaSy's own inability.

On May 22 2019 21:34 renaissanceMAN wrote:


patchzerg

jk; but what should fantasy have done differently?

On May 22 2019 21:34 renaissanceMAN wrote:


patchzerg

jk; but what should fantasy have done differently?

On May 22 2019 21:36 seemsgood wrote:

i think new map pool should be put on hold in the middle of the new tournament season

On May 22 2019 21:34 renaissanceMAN wrote:


patchzerg

jk; but what should fantasy have done differently?

On May 22 2019 21:41 Ej_ wrote:

I think it's pretty terrible vs banshe/hellion/cyclone, but I have to say then that I overestimated close positions rush distance on Cobalt (and I wasn't watching the game closely in the first place so there's that)

all in all I suck as a viewer ;o

On May 22 2019 21:30 Ej_ wrote:

Missed the ending of the game, but I doubt the win was, because of the genious strategic choice more than FanTaSy's own inability.

On May 22 2019 21:43 Ej_ wrote:
Actually watching the game now on a monitor, Cobalt horizontally looks really damn small

On May 22 2019 21:53 sneakyfox wrote:
The nerf protoss dream lives on

On May 22 2019 21:55 Kimb3r wrote:
haha so nice... GSL won by Protoss 100%... WESG Korean, GSL Terran, WCS Serral, GSL2 Protoss - will be 4th right bet on winner, winner race or winner nationality, I tell you

On May 22 2019 21:55 deacon.frost wrote:

It won't happen because of WCS, I wouldn't think we will eventually find another thing we will blame region lock of But hey, we did. Terran buff may be incoming, but the question is about the timing of the buff and if it actually ever comes.

On May 22 2019 21:57 deacon.frost wrote:

It's not that hard to predict Protoss to win it all when the 2 biggest names in the show are Classic and Stats ATM.

On May 22 2019 22:01 sneakyfox wrote:


Oh yes, that was brutally good

On May 22 2019 22:00 seemsgood wrote:

TBH I don't even know what buff is needed by Terran but I can point out some issues of protoss so nerfing protoss at this time would be a better solution but dat is for another time when the balance team finally open thier mouths holy shit!

On May 22 2019 22:02 seemsgood wrote:

Wait until you see bogus 4-0 everyone in final

On May 22 2019 22:18 La1 wrote:
Would love to see an all protoss Ro8 lol

would be hilarious.
I feel protoss at the moment are just ahead of the meta in both match ups so can't wait to see if anybody has any answers!

I also feel we have got to a place where people can do a lot of damage to people very early and very quickly which can decide games. Protoss players have had to deal with imminent death for years so i feel they are better prepped for it.
I've lost count of times i've seen 4 hellions roast 15 drones

On May 22 2019 22:46 renaissanceMAN wrote:


you'd be surprised how well it still works in diamond league!

On May 22 2019 22:54 renaissanceMAN wrote:

+ Show Spoiler +

where is this happening cause I want to watch these games to know how a terran can even make it to that point

On May 22 2019 23:09 J. Corsair wrote:
why anybody would play zero or terrain right now when they could just play protons i don't understand. Very disappointing that the balance team hasn't made a peep on the subject.

On May 22 2019 22:54 renaissanceMAN wrote:




where is this happening cause I want to watch these games to know how a terran can even make it to that point

On May 22 2019 23:16 Wombat_NI wrote:

If they wanted to win the last WESG, IEM Katowice, GAL or 6 or 7 WCS tournaments? I don’t know ask them?

On May 22 2019 23:31 Nakajin wrote:


I can't for the life of me figure out what GAL is and it's driving me crazy
Oh god it's GSL I'm a fucking idiot

On May 22 2019 23:35 Wombat_NI wrote:

No it’s GAL, I forgot about GSL somehow but that too :p

On May 23 2019 00:19 Clazziquai10 wrote:
What if we have 8 protoss in the RO8?

On May 22 2019 23:16 Wombat_NI wrote:

If they wanted to win the last WESG, IEM Katowice, GAL or 6 or 7 WCS tournaments? I don’t know ask them?

On May 23 2019 00:12 Nakajin wrote:


Oh for fuck sake, then what's GAL?
Global....A?...League
Golden...A...League?
GSL-Against...L?

I mean I feel like it should be Blizzcon or HSC but I can't make the letter to work

On May 22 2019 22:48 BerserkSword wrote:
The interesting thing is that we saw this powerful midgame PvZ play really started to emerge after the carrier, tempest, and high templar got nerfed really hard.

I don't blame protoss players for trying to end the game early when there is pretty much nothing they can do against late game infestor compositions now that carriers are garbage, tempests go down like flies, and feedback got nerfed in half. Protoss even loses out against late game Terran with the buffed BC and Thor that slaughter skytoss.

On May 23 2019 02:30 seemsgood wrote:

Apple is apple and orange is orange
I do say we nerf protoss first then process into addressing it's late game
Pro players must play alot of late game vs zerg and Terran like about 2-3 tournaments with a decent amount of late game using Stargate tech before concluding anything because honestly reading your whine post about toss late game time and time again is annoying as fuck and why you still havent gotten nuked for doing that is beyond me.
it is tenfond worse than zerg n terran full force whines combined

If protoss late is too weak then buff it but protoss players gotta prove it first
By stop carting zerg and Terran with templarnrobot tech first ofc

On May 23 2019 06:58 mpmaley86 wrote:
Long time lurker (basically forever) but as I get older I need a place to talk SC2 because my love for it is growing. Catching up on group A now! Just felt like posting :3

On May 23 2019 05:08 Xain0n wrote:


It's funny how when Terran were dismantling Protoss with midrange pushes the main problem still was how weak Terran lategame was.

On May 23 2019 05:14 Wombat_NI wrote:
It’s nowhere near that because it’s actually kinda obviously true. Terran one is debatable I guess, Zerg definitely seems to be the case.

Vs other whine which is literally any time a Protoss wins a match regardless of how many mistakes their opponent made or how well the Protoss played, that don’t make any kind of sensible suggestions that consider the big knock-on effects those changes could all potentially have.

Templar feedback was a relatively big nerf, Carrier was pretty big. In combination when they’re both big components of Protoss lategame vZ, seems pretty sensible that maybe that’s not an area Protoss want to try to go up against Zerg in.

That top Protoss players seem to have accepted this and ground out fiendish and ever more refined timing attacks seems very much a tactic acceptance of this and a necessity breeds invention kind of scenario.

It’s nowhere near as extreme no, Protoss relied on timing attacks for ages once BL/Infestor matured.

On May 23 2019 09:26 seemsgood wrote:

well its because you wont see it works everytime even when your base is near UED earth or right next to artanis's toilet.no actually its really burst in some maps and you can thank uncle blizzard for that kind of map pool in order to archieve thier precious 50% winnrate

this must be the third time you saying this and i am fully aware of it thanks to you and your GUTS buddy
now its time for dem pro protoss players to prove that by actually playing late game PvZ.this match up was much less shitty when protoss were trying void ray tho

On May 23 2019 10:30 Wombat_NI wrote:

Why would they? This isn’t a matter of Protoss players not experimenting and even trying to play late game, it’s the late game they had figured out, is not very good anymore, which is 100% related to balance changes and not meta changes. Carriers are worse, Templars role in zoning out Vipers/Infestors to a degree with feedback is one they don’t fulfil as well.

If Stats, if anyone is that ‘straight up Protoss’ went from employing late-game oriented games against Serral at BlizzCon to never even throwing in a single game in a series against anyone anytime recently (that I’ve seen), maybe it’s just not very smart to do?

If Protoss had a ground-to-air unit even nearly as potent as a Ghost, then yeah theoretically sure. Past a point vs Zerg in lategame they have to take to the skies, and have done in the past prior to balance changes. Parasitic bomb is pretty good when most of your stuff is up there, especially if those units aren’t as strong as they used to be.

Which I don’t even mind all that much, some of the worst periods in the game have involved air blobs.

Terrans have some late game super comps that are extremely hard to get to, or borderline impossible depending upon the level of play. Nobody is saying, for example mass fully upgraded BCs is an easy goal to get to, but in games where players do get there they are bloody good.

GUTS?

On May 23 2019 07:01 Wombat_NI wrote:

Welcome, you’ll never truly be a hundred percent lurker ever again!

Yeah I had a complete break with the game for years, no playing no watching. Feels nice to have my passion back and be around others who share it

On May 23 2019 12:00 seemsgood wrote:

really ? why not because of the two bases all in build is so strong so protoss can just straight up kill zerg in mid ーnear late game and skytoss aint super strong as they were for protoss to continue abusing it ? but skytoss being underpowered because they got nerf is another story that almost exclusively comes out from you and that guy on this forum without good amount examples to back up cuz your idols are way too busy massing immortals.
blizzard were right at taking terran s fang in early game two times to force them play macro game on certain maps and whatever the current state of macro game TvP is,its a good data for next balance step instead of doing blindless balance change based on wall of texts coming from some random folks like u
so no! i d think skytoss aint OP anymoar but i disagree with every single comment saying that skytoss is underpowered.macro pvz and tvp need to be solved first.2 base all in gotta go


//also u dont need to know the manga character guts cuz i m sure there is one person knows what I mean