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On May 22 2019 18:54 Kashim wrote: https://tl.net/forum/bw-tournaments/547886-gsl-2019-season-2-ro16-group-a xD He posted in wrong section yeah I was hyperconfused | ||
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sneakyfox
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On May 22 2019 18:54 Kashim wrote: https://tl.net/forum/bw-tournaments/547886-gsl-2019-season-2-ro16-group-a xD He posted in wrong section lol, damn. Everything is a mess now. Truly ragnarok | ||
Durnuu
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On May 22 2019 18:54 Kashim wrote: https://tl.net/forum/bw-tournaments/547886-gsl-2019-season-2-ro16-group-a xD He posted in wrong section LMFAO | ||
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seemsgood
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On May 22 2019 18:56 sneakyfox wrote: Show nested quote + On May 22 2019 18:54 Kashim wrote: https://tl.net/forum/bw-tournaments/547886-gsl-2019-season-2-ro16-group-a xD He posted in wrong section lol, damn. Everything is a mess now. Truly ragnarok Thanks kratos | ||
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On May 22 2019 19:09 seemsgood wrote: Should get broodlords at this point He'd die in the timing, just like he died when he tried to tech to Lurkers. | ||
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KingofdaHipHop
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On May 22 2019 19:11 Heartland wrote: I don't think that game was even at all. Protoss was even on supply for almost the entire game, Zerg tried to throw Lair units at 'toss but failed. He was so behind economically even when he won that big fight in the open, still impressed with how many units he was able to get out and how he set up fights. | ||
Ej_
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On May 22 2019 19:13 sneakyfox wrote: Still, it was a pretty bold decision by Classic to keep pushing with some many lurkers there. Seemed like a pretty close call. The game was over when Classic killed Ragnarok's 4th. | ||
WombaT
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Twitch is sorely lacking the ability to rewind live broadcasts IMO, thank fook for Afreeca’s YouTube stream | ||
Argonauta
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On May 22 2019 19:13 KingofdaHipHop wrote: Show nested quote + On May 22 2019 19:11 Heartland wrote: I don't think that game was even at all. Protoss was even on supply for almost the entire game, Zerg tried to throw Lair units at 'toss but failed. He was so behind economically even when he won that big fight in the open, still impressed with how many units he was able to get out and how he set up fights. it blows my mind how a protoss can launch a deadly attack and the same time be so economically ahead in a game when not much has happend. | ||
seemsgood
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On May 22 2019 19:11 Heartland wrote: He'd die in the timing, just like he died when he tried to tech to Lurkers. He did have lurker tech but it didn't work as usual tho Going air is the only option even when u know u re gonna die anyway | ||
Need
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On May 22 2019 19:14 Wombat_NI wrote: Damn I’m lagging behind, cursed real life. Twitch is sorely lacking the ability to rewind live broadcasts IMO, thank fook for Afreeca’s YouTube stream I just click the "Clip" button and it lets you rewind 1-2 minutes even if you don't publish a clip. But it's only good if you just barely missed something, not rewatching an entire game | ||
Heartland
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On May 22 2019 19:13 KingofdaHipHop wrote: Show nested quote + On May 22 2019 19:11 Heartland wrote: I don't think that game was even at all. Protoss was even on supply for almost the entire game, Zerg tried to throw Lair units at 'toss but failed. He was so behind economically even when he won that big fight in the open, still impressed with how many units he was able to get out and how he set up fights. I agree | ||
Heartland
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On May 22 2019 19:14 Argonauta wrote: Show nested quote + On May 22 2019 19:13 KingofdaHipHop wrote: On May 22 2019 19:11 Heartland wrote: I don't think that game was even at all. Protoss was even on supply for almost the entire game, Zerg tried to throw Lair units at 'toss but failed. He was so behind economically even when he won that big fight in the open, still impressed with how many units he was able to get out and how he set up fights. it blows my mind how a protoss can launch a deadly attack and the same time be so economically ahead in a game when not much has happend. It was all about the timing attack that killed the fourth, got the Protoss 4th up, avoided the eco deficit that the mutas caused (which was bad, but not game ending) and then got Storm. | ||
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Need
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On May 22 2019 19:21 Need wrote: Imagine thinking Hurricane or Fantasy stand a chance to survive Ragnagod's fury But hurricane is protoss | ||
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On May 22 2019 19:22 Argonauta wrote: Zerg is so just weak... even ragnarock holdign that push classic would have ben ahead, he was up in workers once again Talking about the sentries push I would blame the map | ||
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Argonauta
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On May 22 2019 19:19 Heartland wrote: Show nested quote + On May 22 2019 19:14 Argonauta wrote: On May 22 2019 19:13 KingofdaHipHop wrote: On May 22 2019 19:11 Heartland wrote: I don't think that game was even at all. Protoss was even on supply for almost the entire game, Zerg tried to throw Lair units at 'toss but failed. He was so behind economically even when he won that big fight in the open, still impressed with how many units he was able to get out and how he set up fights. it blows my mind how a protoss can launch a deadly attack and the same time be so economically ahead in a game when not much has happend. It was all about the timing attack that killed the fourth, got the Protoss 4th up, avoided the eco deficit that the mutas caused (which was bad, but not game ending) and then got Storm. thats my point, classic had the minerals and gas to launch the attack plus set himself up and ahead economically. | ||
Heartland
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On May 22 2019 19:24 Argonauta wrote: Show nested quote + On May 22 2019 19:19 Heartland wrote: On May 22 2019 19:14 Argonauta wrote: On May 22 2019 19:13 KingofdaHipHop wrote: On May 22 2019 19:11 Heartland wrote: I don't think that game was even at all. Protoss was even on supply for almost the entire game, Zerg tried to throw Lair units at 'toss but failed. He was so behind economically even when he won that big fight in the open, still impressed with how many units he was able to get out and how he set up fights. it blows my mind how a protoss can launch a deadly attack and the same time be so economically ahead in a game when not much has happend. It was all about the timing attack that killed the fourth, got the Protoss 4th up, avoided the eco deficit that the mutas caused (which was bad, but not game ending) and then got Storm. thats my point, classic had the minerals and gas to launch the attack plus set himself up and ahead economically. I am not so sure it's that strange. Zerg teched to mutas that didn't really pay off. In PvZ it's also so much about the fourth base for Z (I think it's the same in TvZ). | ||
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Argonauta
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On May 22 2019 19:32 Heartland wrote: Show nested quote + On May 22 2019 19:24 Argonauta wrote: On May 22 2019 19:19 Heartland wrote: On May 22 2019 19:14 Argonauta wrote: On May 22 2019 19:13 KingofdaHipHop wrote: On May 22 2019 19:11 Heartland wrote: I don't think that game was even at all. Protoss was even on supply for almost the entire game, Zerg tried to throw Lair units at 'toss but failed. He was so behind economically even when he won that big fight in the open, still impressed with how many units he was able to get out and how he set up fights. it blows my mind how a protoss can launch a deadly attack and the same time be so economically ahead in a game when not much has happend. It was all about the timing attack that killed the fourth, got the Protoss 4th up, avoided the eco deficit that the mutas caused (which was bad, but not game ending) and then got Storm. thats my point, classic had the minerals and gas to launch the attack plus set himself up and ahead economically. I am not so sure it's that strange. Zerg teched to mutas that didn't really pay off. In PvZ it's also so much about the fourth base for Z (I think it's the same in TvZ). maybe you are right, but at the same time you could argue that toss tech to ST and it didnt pay off that much neither. Anyway, im going to stop with the whine and enjoy | ||
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Akio
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deacon.frost
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On May 22 2019 19:34 seemsgood wrote: mech it happen motherfucker Denied! | ||
BirdBird
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On May 22 2019 19:34 seemsgood wrote: mech it happen motherfucker tricky mech always loses to uh, gateway units that attack when the tanks aren't sieged. I wish they would just keep to bio. | ||
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On May 22 2019 19:44 fastr wrote: Warp prism and nydus are the 2 biggest design issues left with sc2 Queens? Warping per se? Mutalisks? | ||
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Rogue:this man macro as if he got a hidden base tastelesssss | ||
sneakyfox
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On May 22 2019 19:48 seemsgood wrote: fantasy macro goat ??? Rogue:this man macro as if he got a hidden base tastelesssss That was Inno though | ||
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On May 22 2019 19:48 Ej_ wrote: And when all is said and done, the Terran still wins. goat | ||
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blooblooblahblah
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But i swear all his builds are so unsafe and flimsy | ||
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BirdBird
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On May 22 2019 19:49 sneakyfox wrote: Lol, of course it's Cyber Forest. Get rekt terran Cyber Forest has some good siege tank positions maybe maybe | ||
sneakyfox
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On May 22 2019 19:50 BirdBird wrote: Show nested quote + On May 22 2019 19:49 sneakyfox wrote: Lol, of course it's Cyber Forest. Get rekt terran Cyber Forest has some good siege tank positions maybe maybe Protoss has a 61.2% win rate vs Terran | ||
deacon.frost
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On May 22 2019 19:50 BirdBird wrote: Show nested quote + On May 22 2019 19:49 sneakyfox wrote: Lol, of course it's Cyber Forest. Get rekt terran Cyber Forest has some good siege tank positions maybe maybe Uhm, 40 % WR against Zerg, 40 % WR against Protoss. Cyber FOrest is good for TvT | ||
BirdBird
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On May 22 2019 19:51 deacon.frost wrote: Show nested quote + On May 22 2019 19:50 BirdBird wrote: On May 22 2019 19:49 sneakyfox wrote: Lol, of course it's Cyber Forest. Get rekt terran Cyber Forest has some good siege tank positions maybe maybe Uhm, 40 % WR against Zerg, 40 % WR against Protoss. Cyber FOrest is good for TvT see look what I said right in front of the natural good siege position | ||
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On May 22 2019 19:55 BirdBird wrote: Show nested quote + On May 22 2019 19:51 deacon.frost wrote: On May 22 2019 19:50 BirdBird wrote: On May 22 2019 19:49 sneakyfox wrote: Lol, of course it's Cyber Forest. Get rekt terran Cyber Forest has some good siege tank positions maybe maybe Uhm, 40 % WR against Zerg, 40 % WR against Protoss. Cyber FOrest is good for TvT see look what I said right in front of the natural good siege position I see | ||
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On May 22 2019 20:02 Durnuu wrote: Is this the famed FanTaSy GG timing? Not even close, still had 70 supply and a mining base when he gg'ed, I'm disappointed. | ||
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On May 22 2019 20:05 KingofdaHipHop wrote: The 4 Terran 4 zerg ro8 dream is dead 0 0 dream still alive | ||
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On May 22 2019 20:13 IshinShishi wrote: Hurricane would roll over and die if fantasy hadn't lost stim, too bad he did. Well, that was the point of the WP & drop, to delay Fanta's followup | ||
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On May 22 2019 20:07 Scarlett` wrote: 0 0 dream still alive I live for extremes xD | ||
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On May 22 2019 20:17 KingofdaHipHop wrote: Show nested quote + On May 22 2019 20:07 Scarlett` wrote: On May 22 2019 20:05 KingofdaHipHop wrote: The 4 Terran 4 zerg ro8 dream is dead 0 0 dream still alive I live for extremes xD I live for the buffs it could yield :| | ||
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On May 22 2019 20:23 blooblooblahblah wrote: It really baffles me that no korean protoss players do the oracle beam micro What do you mean? | ||
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On May 22 2019 20:23 blooblooblahblah wrote: It really baffles me that no korean protoss players do the oracle beam micro PartinG's done it both on his stream and in GSL, only to limited effect tho. | ||
Xain0n
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On May 22 2019 20:27 IshinShishi wrote: when I look at a group like this I wonder how many free passes to ro8 Maru had, Classic is just way better than his opposition here RagnaGod didn't really look worse than Dark and Rogue last season, and ZvP is his worse matchup. Harry Kane was instead atrocious at PvP, it looked like Classic was stomping some amateur. | ||
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WombaT
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On May 22 2019 20:27 yht9657 wrote: Show nested quote + On May 22 2019 20:23 blooblooblahblah wrote: It really baffles me that no korean protoss players do the oracle beam micro PartinG's done it both on his stream and in GSL, only to limited effect tho. I still don’t know what beam micro actually is though? | ||
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Really brutal pickoffs, first Prism harass got a tank, the elevator follow up got stim and other addons. Subsequent pushes snowfall pretty hard if you do that, | ||
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sneakyfox
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On May 22 2019 20:49 Heartland wrote: is that a mineral line wall? Yep. With 5 mins in each | ||
yht9657
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On May 22 2019 20:43 Wombat_NI wrote: Show nested quote + On May 22 2019 20:27 yht9657 wrote: On May 22 2019 20:23 blooblooblahblah wrote: It really baffles me that no korean protoss players do the oracle beam micro PartinG's done it both on his stream and in GSL, only to limited effect tho. I still don’t know what beam micro actually is though? Basically repeatedly right-clicking on the target at a high rate while using pulsar beam will increase the dps up to a point where one oracle can effectively kill probes protected by shield battery. | ||
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Heartland
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On May 22 2019 20:50 sneakyfox wrote: Yep. With 5 mins in each Interesting! | ||
WombaT
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Minor quibble, not sure if it’s that I’m colourblind but is anyone else having an issue with the palette and separating the terrain and the creep spread? | ||
WombaT
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On May 22 2019 20:52 yht9657 wrote: Show nested quote + On May 22 2019 20:43 Wombat_NI wrote: On May 22 2019 20:27 yht9657 wrote: On May 22 2019 20:23 blooblooblahblah wrote: It really baffles me that no korean protoss players do the oracle beam micro PartinG's done it both on his stream and in GSL, only to limited effect tho. I still don’t know what beam micro actually is though? Basically repeatedly right-clicking on the target at a high rate while using pulsar beam will increase the dps up to a point where one oracle can effectively kill probes protected by shield battery. I propose we rename it beam spam as that sounds more accurate. Didn’t know you could do that, cheers for the info. I thought it was referring to maximising their DPS/acceleration | ||
blooblooblahblah
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On May 22 2019 20:52 yht9657 wrote: Show nested quote + On May 22 2019 20:43 Wombat_NI wrote: On May 22 2019 20:27 yht9657 wrote: On May 22 2019 20:23 blooblooblahblah wrote: It really baffles me that no korean protoss players do the oracle beam micro PartinG's done it both on his stream and in GSL, only to limited effect tho. I still don’t know what beam micro actually is though? Basically repeatedly right-clicking on the target at a high rate while using pulsar beam will increase the dps up to a point where one oracle can effectively kill probes protected by shield battery. Sort of, although you have to time the clicks rather than spam them but done perfectly it 3 shots a probe even with a shield battery. Also works with any beam unit, you can increase the dps of a void ray for example if you're doing one of those void contains | ||
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WombaT
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Evolution of Zerg upon us, after Serral made some good use last WCS, based on Rag this game finally Zergs seem to be catching on that the Nydus is crazy potent and versatile in the game Seems to be the perfect way to push with Broods but reinforce them quickly so they don’t get crazy exposed Exit before I even posted it - Rag loses 45 drones or something crazy | ||
yht9657
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On May 22 2019 20:58 blooblooblahblah wrote: Show nested quote + On May 22 2019 20:52 yht9657 wrote: On May 22 2019 20:43 Wombat_NI wrote: On May 22 2019 20:27 yht9657 wrote: On May 22 2019 20:23 blooblooblahblah wrote: It really baffles me that no korean protoss players do the oracle beam micro PartinG's done it both on his stream and in GSL, only to limited effect tho. I still don’t know what beam micro actually is though? Basically repeatedly right-clicking on the target at a high rate while using pulsar beam will increase the dps up to a point where one oracle can effectively kill probes protected by shield battery. Sort of, although you have to time the clicks rather than spam them but done perfectly it 3 shots a probe even with a shield battery. Also works with any beam unit, you can increase the dps of a void ray for example if you're doing one of those void contains Yeah it's more about timing than spamming, either way it's rather micro-intensive when it comes to oracles maybe that's why players don't do that often. You can always just lay a stasis in the mineral line if there's a battery. | ||
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On May 22 2019 21:00 Ej_ wrote: Ragnarok doing cool shit and meanwhile FanTaSy wins the game. 4/10 game not enough nydus dude needs at least 5 nydus into fanta s main | ||
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WombaT
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Good thing I don’t do the LRs, who was it this season who Tasteless got wrong in a similar manner? | ||
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On May 22 2019 21:06 Xain0n wrote: Flanktasy seems to have Ragnagod's number. I really love whoever wins advances to the ro16. it s not flanking it was terrorism | ||
Ej_
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On May 22 2019 21:05 Wombat_NI wrote: Jesus lol I thought it was Fantasy who tapped out, my bad. Good thing I don’t do the LRs, who was it this season who Tasteless got wrong in a similar manner? But how could the revolutionary strategy of mass nydus wins with someone actually trading efficiently? | ||
renaissanceMAN
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On May 22 2019 21:07 seemsgood wrote: Show nested quote + On May 22 2019 21:06 Xain0n wrote: Flanktasy seems to have Ragnagod's number. I really love whoever wins advances to the ro16. it s not flanking it was terrorism I see what you did there | ||
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On May 22 2019 21:14 Ej_ wrote: Wow no CC first. I'm disappointed, you promised | ||
royalroadweed
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On May 22 2019 21:15 IshinShishi wrote: Ragnarok almost won with gglords down 70 supply, jesus battle mech sucks in straight up battles. So does bio though. And battle mech is much better at escaping the zerg deathball without stimming your army half to death. | ||
Harris1st
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On May 22 2019 21:15 IshinShishi wrote: Ragnarok almost won with gglords down 70 supply, jesus battle mech sucks in straight up battles. But his Viking control was wood league in those engagements | ||
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ragnarok might win the ZvP though | ||
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deacon.frost
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On May 22 2019 21:21 Ej_ wrote: Is he seriouslygoing RR SH vs speed banshees? What about now? | ||
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On May 22 2019 21:26 deacon.frost wrote: What about now? Missed the ending of the game, but I doubt the win was, because of the genious strategic choice more than FanTaSy's own inability. | ||
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On May 22 2019 21:29 renaissanceMAN wrote: annoying that it’s so easy for Z to walk the razors edge and be behind in econ so badly and still win Let's be real here. Ragnarok's ZvT has been phenomenal recently For example, he advanced to Ro16 by beating both TY and Special in the Ro32 also, in this year's IEM he escaped the group of death at the expense of Gumiho and Innovation | ||
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On May 22 2019 21:32 BerserkSword wrote: Show nested quote + On May 22 2019 21:29 renaissanceMAN wrote: annoying that it’s so easy for Z to walk the razors edge and be behind in econ so badly and still win Let's be real here. Ragnarok's ZvT has been phenomenal recently For example, he advanced to Ro16 by beating both TY and Special in the Ro32 also, in this year's IEM he escaped the group of death at the expense of Gumiho and Innovation patchzerg jk; but what should fantasy have done differently? | ||
seemsgood
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On May 22 2019 21:34 IshinShishi wrote: I think fantasy played well that game, the rush distance really helped ragnarok a ton, if it was cross positions I'd bet on fantasy winning. he shouldve pumped moar banshees in that game those immortal queens won ragnarok da game | ||
blooblooblahblah
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On May 22 2019 21:34 IshinShishi wrote: I think fantasy played well that game, the rush distance really helped ragnarok a ton, if it was cross positions I'd bet on fantasy winning. I feel like Ragnarok did that in the first place because of the positions, I can't imagine that even being viable cross. | ||
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Mlord
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On May 22 2019 21:30 Ej_ wrote: Show nested quote + On May 22 2019 21:26 deacon.frost wrote: On May 22 2019 21:21 Ej_ wrote: Is he seriouslygoing RR SH vs speed banshees? What about now? Missed the ending of the game, but I doubt the win was, because of the genious strategic choice more than FanTaSy's own inability. RR SH is one of the strongest timing push a zerg can hit vs someone always going mech on small map i don't understand what you dislike about it | ||
seemsgood
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On May 22 2019 21:34 renaissanceMAN wrote: Show nested quote + On May 22 2019 21:32 BerserkSword wrote: On May 22 2019 21:29 renaissanceMAN wrote: annoying that it’s so easy for Z to walk the razors edge and be behind in econ so badly and still win Let's be real here. Ragnarok's ZvT has been phenomenal recently For example, he advanced to Ro16 by beating both TY and Special in the Ro32 also, in this year's IEM he escaped the group of death at the expense of Gumiho and Innovation patchzerg jk; but what should fantasy have done differently? i think new map pool should be put on hold in the middle of the new tournament season | ||
BirdBird
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On May 22 2019 21:34 renaissanceMAN wrote: Show nested quote + On May 22 2019 21:32 BerserkSword wrote: On May 22 2019 21:29 renaissanceMAN wrote: annoying that it’s so easy for Z to walk the razors edge and be behind in econ so badly and still win Let's be real here. Ragnarok's ZvT has been phenomenal recently For example, he advanced to Ro16 by beating both TY and Special in the Ro32 also, in this year's IEM he escaped the group of death at the expense of Gumiho and Innovation patchzerg jk; but what should fantasy have done differently? way more speed banshee | ||
pdd
Australia9933 Posts
On May 22 2019 21:36 seemsgood wrote: Show nested quote + On May 22 2019 21:34 renaissanceMAN wrote: On May 22 2019 21:32 BerserkSword wrote: On May 22 2019 21:29 renaissanceMAN wrote: annoying that it’s so easy for Z to walk the razors edge and be behind in econ so badly and still win Let's be real here. Ragnarok's ZvT has been phenomenal recently For example, he advanced to Ro16 by beating both TY and Special in the Ro32 also, in this year's IEM he escaped the group of death at the expense of Gumiho and Innovation patchzerg jk; but what should fantasy have done differently? i think new map pool should be put on hold in the middle of the new tournament season Cobalt has been in the pool since Day 1 of Season 2. Fantasy won the game on a "new" map, ironically. | ||
BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On May 22 2019 21:34 renaissanceMAN wrote: Show nested quote + On May 22 2019 21:32 BerserkSword wrote: On May 22 2019 21:29 renaissanceMAN wrote: annoying that it’s so easy for Z to walk the razors edge and be behind in econ so badly and still win Let's be real here. Ragnarok's ZvT has been phenomenal recently For example, he advanced to Ro16 by beating both TY and Special in the Ro32 also, in this year's IEM he escaped the group of death at the expense of Gumiho and Innovation patchzerg jk; but what should fantasy have done differently? Wasn't a fan of going speed banshees on a vertically split map like cobalt. You lose the edge if the zerg player capitalizes, which he did. other base is a bit too close imo Also, he couldve used banshee micro to drive swarm hosts back imo. instead of picking off a handful of drones and getting zoned out by to spores. If he focused completely on defending i think Fantasy couldve dragged himself back into a late game with far off expansions | ||
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On May 22 2019 21:36 Mlord wrote: Show nested quote + On May 22 2019 21:30 Ej_ wrote: On May 22 2019 21:26 deacon.frost wrote: On May 22 2019 21:21 Ej_ wrote: Is he seriouslygoing RR SH vs speed banshees? What about now? Missed the ending of the game, but I doubt the win was, because of the genious strategic choice more than FanTaSy's own inability. RR SH is one of the strongest timing push a zerg can hit vs someone always going mech on small map i don't understand what you dislike about it I think it's pretty terrible vs banshe/hellion/cyclone, but I have to say then that I overestimated close positions rush distance on Cobalt (and I wasn't watching the game closely in the first place so there's that) all in all I suck as a viewer ;o | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland20731 Posts
On May 22 2019 21:41 Ej_ wrote: Show nested quote + On May 22 2019 21:36 Mlord wrote: On May 22 2019 21:30 Ej_ wrote: On May 22 2019 21:26 deacon.frost wrote: On May 22 2019 21:21 Ej_ wrote: Is he seriouslygoing RR SH vs speed banshees? What about now? Missed the ending of the game, but I doubt the win was, because of the genious strategic choice more than FanTaSy's own inability. RR SH is one of the strongest timing push a zerg can hit vs someone always going mech on small map i don't understand what you dislike about it I think it's pretty terrible vs banshe/hellion/cyclone, but I have to say then that I overestimated close positions rush distance on Cobalt (and I wasn't watching the game closely in the first place so there's that) all in all I suck as a viewer ;o I mean I got the wrong winner from a game so at worst you’re the second suckiest viewer today | ||
deacon.frost
Czech Republic12116 Posts
On May 22 2019 21:30 Ej_ wrote: Show nested quote + On May 22 2019 21:26 deacon.frost wrote: On May 22 2019 21:21 Ej_ wrote: Is he seriouslygoing RR SH vs speed banshees? What about now? Missed the ending of the game, but I doubt the win was, because of the genious strategic choice more than FanTaSy's own inability. I wouldn't say so, IMO close positions and good defense with spores. In different positions - maybe. In these positions were SHs probably the best choice against this style. | ||
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pdd
Australia9933 Posts
On May 22 2019 21:43 Ej_ wrote: Actually watching the game now on a monitor, Cobalt horizontally looks really damn small There are rocks in the top path between the bases, which cuts the rush distance. | ||
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hurricane handled that rush like a boss | ||
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Czech Republic12116 Posts
On May 22 2019 21:53 sneakyfox wrote: The nerf protoss dream lives on It won't happen because of WCS, I wouldn't think we will eventually find another thing we will blame region lock of But hey, we did. Terran buff may be incoming, but the question is about the timing of the buff and if it actually ever comes. | ||
Kimb3r
Germany744 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12116 Posts
On May 22 2019 21:55 Kimb3r wrote: haha so nice... GSL won by Protoss 100%... WESG Korean, GSL Terran, WCS Serral, GSL2 Protoss - will be 4th right bet on winner, winner race or winner nationality, I tell you It's not that hard to predict Protoss to win it all when the 2 biggest names in the show are Classic and Stats ATM. | ||
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Northern Ireland20731 Posts
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seemsgood
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On May 22 2019 21:55 deacon.frost wrote: It won't happen because of WCS, I wouldn't think we will eventually find another thing we will blame region lock of But hey, we did. Terran buff may be incoming, but the question is about the timing of the buff and if it actually ever comes. TBH I don't even know what buff is needed by Terran but I can point out some issues of protoss so nerfing protoss at this time would be a better solution but dat is for another time when the balance team finally open thier mouths holy shit! | ||
sneakyfox
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On May 22 2019 21:58 Wombat_NI wrote: Regardless of racial imbalance or the lack thereof, surely one has to at least appreciate Hurricane’s hold there? Oh yes, that was brutally good | ||
seemsgood
5527 Posts
On May 22 2019 21:57 deacon.frost wrote: Show nested quote + On May 22 2019 21:55 Kimb3r wrote: haha so nice... GSL won by Protoss 100%... WESG Korean, GSL Terran, WCS Serral, GSL2 Protoss - will be 4th right bet on winner, winner race or winner nationality, I tell you It's not that hard to predict Protoss to win it all when the 2 biggest names in the show are Classic and Stats ATM. Wait until you see bogus 4-0 everyone in final | ||
Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On May 22 2019 21:57 deacon.frost wrote: Show nested quote + On May 22 2019 21:55 Kimb3r wrote: haha so nice... GSL won by Protoss 100%... WESG Korean, GSL Terran, WCS Serral, GSL2 Protoss - will be 4th right bet on winner, winner race or winner nationality, I tell you It's not that hard to predict Protoss to win it all when the 2 biggest names in the show are Classic and Stats ATM. Bigger than Innovation, soO, Dark? Don't sleep on Kimb3r the prophet, PartinG-Patience Code S final is coming. | ||
WombaT
Northern Ireland20731 Posts
On May 22 2019 22:01 sneakyfox wrote: Show nested quote + On May 22 2019 21:58 Wombat_NI wrote: Regardless of racial imbalance or the lack thereof, surely one has to at least appreciate Hurricane’s hold there? Oh yes, that was brutally good Reminded me of Rorschach in Watchmen’s ‘you’re locked in here with me’ line | ||
Kimb3r
Germany744 Posts
On May 22 2019 22:02 Xain0n wrote: Show nested quote + On May 22 2019 21:57 deacon.frost wrote: On May 22 2019 21:55 Kimb3r wrote: haha so nice... GSL won by Protoss 100%... WESG Korean, GSL Terran, WCS Serral, GSL2 Protoss - will be 4th right bet on winner, winner race or winner nationality, I tell you It's not that hard to predict Protoss to win it all when the 2 biggest names in the show are Classic and Stats ATM. Bigger than Innovation, soO, Dark? Don't sleep on Kimb3r the prophet, PartinG-Patience Code S final is coming. I predict Dear or Trap.. both players hungry for another win. Dark will fail as always in the end, while soO and Bogus are worn out players and they have a psychologial disadvantage because they know that Toss is op. Dark has the highest chances of winning it as a non-Toss imo, because he has the drive to do it... | ||
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La1
United Kingdom654 Posts
would be hilarious. I feel protoss at the moment are just ahead of the meta in both match ups so can't wait to see if anybody has any answers! I also feel we have got to a place where people can do a lot of damage to people very early and very quickly which can decide games. Protoss players have had to deal with imminent death for years so i feel they are better prepped for it. I've lost count of times i've seen 4 hellions roast 15 drones | ||
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Northern Ireland20731 Posts
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On May 22 2019 22:13 IshinShishi wrote: I cant believe soft wind is in the ro8, imagine if he reaches the finals? Jesus. GentleBreeze's PvP seems too weak for the task at the moment. | ||
deacon.frost
Czech Republic12116 Posts
On May 22 2019 22:00 seemsgood wrote: Show nested quote + On May 22 2019 21:55 deacon.frost wrote: On May 22 2019 21:53 sneakyfox wrote: The nerf protoss dream lives on It won't happen because of WCS, I wouldn't think we will eventually find another thing we will blame region lock of But hey, we did. Terran buff may be incoming, but the question is about the timing of the buff and if it actually ever comes. TBH I don't even know what buff is needed by Terran but I can point out some issues of protoss so nerfing protoss at this time would be a better solution but dat is for another time when the balance team finally open thier mouths holy shit! It's not about what you can see but what you will get. If you don't buff Terran and nerf Protoss what you will get is all zerg RO8 in WCS and slightly better ratio at Code S for Terrans but still pathetic for Zergs... On May 22 2019 22:02 seemsgood wrote: Show nested quote + On May 22 2019 21:57 deacon.frost wrote: On May 22 2019 21:55 Kimb3r wrote: haha so nice... GSL won by Protoss 100%... WESG Korean, GSL Terran, WCS Serral, GSL2 Protoss - will be 4th right bet on winner, winner race or winner nationality, I tell you It's not that hard to predict Protoss to win it all when the 2 biggest names in the show are Classic and Stats ATM. Wait until you see bogus 4-0 everyone in final Not gonna happen | ||
Need
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WombaT
Northern Ireland20731 Posts
On May 22 2019 22:18 La1 wrote: Would love to see an all protoss Ro8 lol would be hilarious. I feel protoss at the moment are just ahead of the meta in both match ups so can't wait to see if anybody has any answers! I also feel we have got to a place where people can do a lot of damage to people very early and very quickly which can decide games. Protoss players have had to deal with imminent death for years so i feel they are better prepped for it. I've lost count of times i've seen 4 hellions roast 15 drones Regardless of meta I still think warp prism’s pickup range is too generous. It can still be a potent weapon but harder to use, if there’s one change I think can 100% be justified purely on an abstract level without even really watching games. In other areas, let’s see how it settles, especially given Terran are developing some interesting styles that look viable in BoX series, if not necessarily for every game. Tbh Protoss have got so good at mitigating widow mines, and not just that but intercepting medivacs that I’m surprised Terrans use them so frequently. Not medivacs dropping mines in general, but that initial drop they do. | ||
renaissanceMAN
United States1840 Posts
On May 22 2019 22:36 Wombat_NI wrote: Show nested quote + On May 22 2019 22:18 La1 wrote: Would love to see an all protoss Ro8 lol would be hilarious. I feel protoss at the moment are just ahead of the meta in both match ups so can't wait to see if anybody has any answers! I also feel we have got to a place where people can do a lot of damage to people very early and very quickly which can decide games. Protoss players have had to deal with imminent death for years so i feel they are better prepped for it. I've lost count of times i've seen 4 hellions roast 15 drones Regardless of meta I still think warp prism’s pickup range is too generous. It can still be a potent weapon but harder to use, if there’s one change I think can 100% be justified purely on an abstract level without even really watching games. In other areas, let’s see how it settles, especially given Terran are developing some interesting styles that look viable in BoX series, if not necessarily for every game. Tbh Protoss have got so good at mitigating widow mines, and not just that but intercepting medivacs that I’m surprised Terrans use them so frequently. Not medivacs dropping mines in general, but that initial drop they do. you'd be surprised how well it still works in diamond league! | ||
BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
I don't blame protoss players for trying to end the game early when there is pretty much nothing they can do against late game infestor compositions now that carriers are garbage, tempests go down like flies, and feedback got nerfed in half. Protoss even loses out against late game Terran with the buffed BC and Thor that slaughter skytoss. | ||
Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On May 22 2019 22:48 BerserkSword wrote: The interesting thing is that we saw this powerful midgame PvZ play really started to emerge after the carrier, tempest, and high templar got nerfed really hard. I don't blame protoss players for trying to end the game early when there is pretty much nothing they can do against late game infestor compositions now that carriers are garbage, tempests go down like flies, and feedback got nerfed in half. Protoss even loses out against late game Terran with the buffed BC and Thor that slaughter skytoss. Make Carriers great again and nerf Warp Prism's range. | ||
renaissanceMAN
United States1840 Posts
On May 22 2019 22:48 BerserkSword wrote: The interesting thing is that we saw this powerful midgame PvZ play really started to emerge after the carrier, tempest, and high templar got nerfed really hard. I don't blame protoss players for trying to end the game early when there is pretty much nothing they can do against late game infestor compositions now that carriers are garbage, tempests go down like flies, and feedback got nerfed in half. Protoss even loses out against late game Terran with the buffed BC and Thor that slaughter skytoss. where is this happening cause I want to watch these games to know how a terran can even make it to that point User was temp banned for this post. | ||
WombaT
Northern Ireland20731 Posts
On May 22 2019 22:46 renaissanceMAN wrote: Show nested quote + On May 22 2019 22:36 Wombat_NI wrote: On May 22 2019 22:18 La1 wrote: Would love to see an all protoss Ro8 lol would be hilarious. I feel protoss at the moment are just ahead of the meta in both match ups so can't wait to see if anybody has any answers! I also feel we have got to a place where people can do a lot of damage to people very early and very quickly which can decide games. Protoss players have had to deal with imminent death for years so i feel they are better prepped for it. I've lost count of times i've seen 4 hellions roast 15 drones Regardless of meta I still think warp prism’s pickup range is too generous. It can still be a potent weapon but harder to use, if there’s one change I think can 100% be justified purely on an abstract level without even really watching games. In other areas, let’s see how it settles, especially given Terran are developing some interesting styles that look viable in BoX series, if not necessarily for every game. Tbh Protoss have got so good at mitigating widow mines, and not just that but intercepting medivacs that I’m surprised Terrans use them so frequently. Not medivacs dropping mines in general, but that initial drop they do. you'd be surprised how well it still works in diamond league! Judging from my own ladder experiences I’m surprised it doesn’t work every game haha, those pro players are wizards | ||
WombaT
Northern Ireland20731 Posts
On May 22 2019 22:54 renaissanceMAN wrote: Show nested quote + On May 22 2019 22:48 BerserkSword wrote: The interesting thing is that we saw this powerful midgame PvZ play really started to emerge after the carrier, tempest, and high templar got nerfed really hard. I don't blame protoss players for trying to end the game early when there is pretty much nothing they can do against late game infestor compositions now that carriers are garbage, tempests go down like flies, and feedback got nerfed in half. Protoss even loses out against late game Terran with the buffed BC and Thor that slaughter skytoss. + Show Spoiler + where is this happening cause I want to watch these games to know how a terran can even make it to that point Gumiho beat Classic with that composition in Super Tournament I’m pretty sure. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland20731 Posts
On May 22 2019 23:09 J. Corsair wrote: why anybody would play zero or terrain right now when they could just play protons i don't understand. Very disappointing that the balance team hasn't made a peep on the subject. If they wanted to win the last WESG, IEM Katowice, GAL or 6 or 7 WCS tournaments? I don’t know ask them? | ||
BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On May 22 2019 22:54 renaissanceMAN wrote: Show nested quote + On May 22 2019 22:48 BerserkSword wrote: The interesting thing is that we saw this powerful midgame PvZ play really started to emerge after the carrier, tempest, and high templar got nerfed really hard. I don't blame protoss players for trying to end the game early when there is pretty much nothing they can do against late game infestor compositions now that carriers are garbage, tempests go down like flies, and feedback got nerfed in half. Protoss even loses out against late game Terran with the buffed BC and Thor that slaughter skytoss. where is this happening cause I want to watch these games to know how a terran can even make it to that point Maru vs Dear code S 1 Maru vs Classic code S 1 Maru vs stats super tournament Gumiho vs Zest super tournament Gumiho vs Classic super tournament | ||
Nakajin
Canada8772 Posts
On May 22 2019 23:16 Wombat_NI wrote: Show nested quote + On May 22 2019 23:09 J. Corsair wrote: why anybody would play zero or terrain right now when they could just play protons i don't understand. Very disappointing that the balance team hasn't made a peep on the subject. If they wanted to win the last WESG, IEM Katowice, GAL or 6 or 7 WCS tournaments? I don’t know ask them? I can't for the life of me figure out what GAL is and it's driving me crazy Oh god it's GSL I'm a fucking idiot | ||
WombaT
Northern Ireland20731 Posts
On May 22 2019 23:31 Nakajin wrote: Show nested quote + On May 22 2019 23:16 Wombat_NI wrote: On May 22 2019 23:09 J. Corsair wrote: why anybody would play zero or terrain right now when they could just play protons i don't understand. Very disappointing that the balance team hasn't made a peep on the subject. If they wanted to win the last WESG, IEM Katowice, GAL or 6 or 7 WCS tournaments? I don’t know ask them? I can't for the life of me figure out what GAL is and it's driving me crazy Oh god it's GSL I'm a fucking idiot No it’s GAL, I forgot about GSL somehow but that too :p | ||
Nakajin
Canada8772 Posts
On May 22 2019 23:35 Wombat_NI wrote: Show nested quote + On May 22 2019 23:31 Nakajin wrote: On May 22 2019 23:16 Wombat_NI wrote: On May 22 2019 23:09 J. Corsair wrote: why anybody would play zero or terrain right now when they could just play protons i don't understand. Very disappointing that the balance team hasn't made a peep on the subject. If they wanted to win the last WESG, IEM Katowice, GAL or 6 or 7 WCS tournaments? I don’t know ask them? I can't for the life of me figure out what GAL is and it's driving me crazy Oh god it's GSL I'm a fucking idiot No it’s GAL, I forgot about GSL somehow but that too :p Oh for fuck sake, then what's GAL? Global....A?...League Golden...A...League? GSL-Against...L? I mean I feel like it should be Blizzcon or HSC but I can't make the letter to work | ||
Clazziquai10
Singapore1949 Posts
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M2
Bulgaria4077 Posts
On May 23 2019 00:19 Clazziquai10 wrote: What if we have 8 protoss in the RO8? It will be a bit strange, usually there are always one or two surprises, but hey sometimes everything might go as expected and we'll get the favorites, hence, 8 protosses | ||
deacon.frost
Czech Republic12116 Posts
On May 22 2019 23:16 Wombat_NI wrote: Show nested quote + On May 22 2019 23:09 J. Corsair wrote: why anybody would play zero or terrain right now when they could just play protons i don't understand. Very disappointing that the balance team hasn't made a peep on the subject. If they wanted to win the last WESG, IEM Katowice, GAL or 6 or 7 WCS tournaments? I don’t know ask them? At the same we have GSL Code S Season 2 with 8 P in RO16, we had IEM with 6 Protosses at RO12, 5 Zergs and 1 Terran. We had GSL Protoss Tournament. We have under-representation of Zerg in RO16 of Code S for several seasons now. We just got rid off a map pool that was so Terran punishing it wasn't even funny and we can't say how will be the new one(and with the speed of Blizzard this won't be noticed until Blizzcon is over). While this whine isn't exactly right, you have much better chances to get monies as Protoss opposed to Zerg or Terran. Especially Terran if we count in the ZP WCS. On May 23 2019 00:12 Nakajin wrote: Show nested quote + On May 22 2019 23:35 Wombat_NI wrote: On May 22 2019 23:31 Nakajin wrote: On May 22 2019 23:16 Wombat_NI wrote: On May 22 2019 23:09 J. Corsair wrote: why anybody would play zero or terrain right now when they could just play protons i don't understand. Very disappointing that the balance team hasn't made a peep on the subject. If they wanted to win the last WESG, IEM Katowice, GAL or 6 or 7 WCS tournaments? I don’t know ask them? I can't for the life of me figure out what GAL is and it's driving me crazy Oh god it's GSL I'm a fucking idiot No it’s GAL, I forgot about GSL somehow but that too :p Oh for fuck sake, then what's GAL? Global....A?...League Golden...A...League? GSL-Against...L? I mean I feel like it should be Blizzcon or HSC but I can't make the letter to work Guys against Ladies! Give all love! Global alien league! Golden armada leader! So many possibilities | ||
seemsgood
5527 Posts
On May 22 2019 22:48 BerserkSword wrote: The interesting thing is that we saw this powerful midgame PvZ play really started to emerge after the carrier, tempest, and high templar got nerfed really hard. I don't blame protoss players for trying to end the game early when there is pretty much nothing they can do against late game infestor compositions now that carriers are garbage, tempests go down like flies, and feedback got nerfed in half. Protoss even loses out against late game Terran with the buffed BC and Thor that slaughter skytoss. Apple is apple and orange is orange I do say we nerf protoss first then process into addressing it's late game Pro players must play alot of late game vs zerg and Terran like about 2-3 tournaments with a decent amount of late game using Stargate tech before concluding anything because honestly reading your whine post about toss late game time and time again is annoying as fuck and why you still havent gotten nuked for doing that is beyond me. it is tenfond worse than zerg n terran full force whines combined If protoss late is too weak then buff it but protoss players gotta prove it first By stop carting zerg and Terran with templarnrobot tech first ofc | ||
Moonerz
United States410 Posts
So far Super Tournament 2.0 is on the way! | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On May 23 2019 02:30 seemsgood wrote: Show nested quote + On May 22 2019 22:48 BerserkSword wrote: The interesting thing is that we saw this powerful midgame PvZ play really started to emerge after the carrier, tempest, and high templar got nerfed really hard. I don't blame protoss players for trying to end the game early when there is pretty much nothing they can do against late game infestor compositions now that carriers are garbage, tempests go down like flies, and feedback got nerfed in half. Protoss even loses out against late game Terran with the buffed BC and Thor that slaughter skytoss. Apple is apple and orange is orange I do say we nerf protoss first then process into addressing it's late game Pro players must play alot of late game vs zerg and Terran like about 2-3 tournaments with a decent amount of late game using Stargate tech before concluding anything because honestly reading your whine post about toss late game time and time again is annoying as fuck and why you still havent gotten nuked for doing that is beyond me. it is tenfond worse than zerg n terran full force whines combined If protoss late is too weak then buff it but protoss players gotta prove it first By stop carting zerg and Terran with templarnrobot tech first ofc It's funny how when Terran were dismantling Protoss with midrange pushes the main problem still was how weak Terran lategame was. | ||
WombaT
Northern Ireland20731 Posts
On May 23 2019 02:30 seemsgood wrote: Show nested quote + On May 22 2019 22:48 BerserkSword wrote: The interesting thing is that we saw this powerful midgame PvZ play really started to emerge after the carrier, tempest, and high templar got nerfed really hard. I don't blame protoss players for trying to end the game early when there is pretty much nothing they can do against late game infestor compositions now that carriers are garbage, tempests go down like flies, and feedback got nerfed in half. Protoss even loses out against late game Terran with the buffed BC and Thor that slaughter skytoss. Apple is apple and orange is orange I do say we nerf protoss first then process into addressing it's late game Pro players must play alot of late game vs zerg and Terran like about 2-3 tournaments with a decent amount of late game using Stargate tech before concluding anything because honestly reading your whine post about toss late game time and time again is annoying as fuck and why you still havent gotten nuked for doing that is beyond me. it is tenfond worse than zerg n terran full force whines combined If protoss late is too weak then buff it but protoss players gotta prove it first By stop carting zerg and Terran with templarnrobot tech first ofc It’s nowhere near that because it’s actually kinda obviously true. Terran one is debatable I guess, Zerg definitely seems to be the case. Vs other whine which is literally any time a Protoss wins a match regardless of how many mistakes their opponent made or how well the Protoss played, that don’t make any kind of sensible suggestions that consider the big knock-on effects those changes could all potentially have. Templar feedback was a relatively big nerf, Carrier was pretty big. In combination when they’re both big components of Protoss lategame vZ, seems pretty sensible that maybe that’s not an area Protoss want to try to go up against Zerg in. That top Protoss players seem to have accepted this and ground out fiendish and ever more refined timing attacks seems very much a tactic acceptance of this and a necessity breeds invention kind of scenario. It’s nowhere near as extreme no, Protoss relied on timing attacks for ages once BL/Infestor matured. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland20731 Posts
On May 23 2019 06:58 mpmaley86 wrote: Long time lurker (basically forever) but as I get older I need a place to talk SC2 because my love for it is growing. Catching up on group A now! Just felt like posting :3 Welcome, you’ll never truly be a hundred percent lurker ever again! Yeah I had a complete break with the game for years, no playing no watching. Feels nice to have my passion back and be around others who share it | ||
seemsgood
5527 Posts
On May 23 2019 05:08 Xain0n wrote: Show nested quote + On May 23 2019 02:30 seemsgood wrote: On May 22 2019 22:48 BerserkSword wrote: The interesting thing is that we saw this powerful midgame PvZ play really started to emerge after the carrier, tempest, and high templar got nerfed really hard. I don't blame protoss players for trying to end the game early when there is pretty much nothing they can do against late game infestor compositions now that carriers are garbage, tempests go down like flies, and feedback got nerfed in half. Protoss even loses out against late game Terran with the buffed BC and Thor that slaughter skytoss. Apple is apple and orange is orange I do say we nerf protoss first then process into addressing it's late game Pro players must play alot of late game vs zerg and Terran like about 2-3 tournaments with a decent amount of late game using Stargate tech before concluding anything because honestly reading your whine post about toss late game time and time again is annoying as fuck and why you still havent gotten nuked for doing that is beyond me. it is tenfond worse than zerg n terran full force whines combined If protoss late is too weak then buff it but protoss players gotta prove it first By stop carting zerg and Terran with templarnrobot tech first ofc It's funny how when Terran were dismantling Protoss with midrange pushes the main problem still was how weak Terran lategame was. well its because you wont see it works everytime even when your base is near UED earth or right next to artanis's toilet.no actually its really burst in some maps and you can thank uncle blizzard for that kind of map pool in order to archieve thier precious 50% winnrate On May 23 2019 05:14 Wombat_NI wrote: It’s nowhere near that because it’s actually kinda obviously true. Terran one is debatable I guess, Zerg definitely seems to be the case. Vs other whine which is literally any time a Protoss wins a match regardless of how many mistakes their opponent made or how well the Protoss played, that don’t make any kind of sensible suggestions that consider the big knock-on effects those changes could all potentially have. Templar feedback was a relatively big nerf, Carrier was pretty big. In combination when they’re both big components of Protoss lategame vZ, seems pretty sensible that maybe that’s not an area Protoss want to try to go up against Zerg in. That top Protoss players seem to have accepted this and ground out fiendish and ever more refined timing attacks seems very much a tactic acceptance of this and a necessity breeds invention kind of scenario. It’s nowhere near as extreme no, Protoss relied on timing attacks for ages once BL/Infestor matured. this must be the third time you saying this and i am fully aware of it thanks to you and your GUTS buddy now its time for dem pro protoss players to prove that by actually playing late game PvZ.this match up was much less shitty when protoss were trying void ray tho | ||
WombaT
Northern Ireland20731 Posts
On May 23 2019 09:26 seemsgood wrote: Show nested quote + On May 23 2019 05:08 Xain0n wrote: On May 23 2019 02:30 seemsgood wrote: On May 22 2019 22:48 BerserkSword wrote: The interesting thing is that we saw this powerful midgame PvZ play really started to emerge after the carrier, tempest, and high templar got nerfed really hard. I don't blame protoss players for trying to end the game early when there is pretty much nothing they can do against late game infestor compositions now that carriers are garbage, tempests go down like flies, and feedback got nerfed in half. Protoss even loses out against late game Terran with the buffed BC and Thor that slaughter skytoss. Apple is apple and orange is orange I do say we nerf protoss first then process into addressing it's late game Pro players must play alot of late game vs zerg and Terran like about 2-3 tournaments with a decent amount of late game using Stargate tech before concluding anything because honestly reading your whine post about toss late game time and time again is annoying as fuck and why you still havent gotten nuked for doing that is beyond me. it is tenfond worse than zerg n terran full force whines combined If protoss late is too weak then buff it but protoss players gotta prove it first By stop carting zerg and Terran with templarnrobot tech first ofc It's funny how when Terran were dismantling Protoss with midrange pushes the main problem still was how weak Terran lategame was. well its because you wont see it works everytime even when your base is near UED earth or right next to artanis's toilet.no actually its really burst in some maps and you can thank uncle blizzard for that kind of map pool in order to archieve thier precious 50% winnrate Show nested quote + On May 23 2019 05:14 Wombat_NI wrote: It’s nowhere near that because it’s actually kinda obviously true. Terran one is debatable I guess, Zerg definitely seems to be the case. Vs other whine which is literally any time a Protoss wins a match regardless of how many mistakes their opponent made or how well the Protoss played, that don’t make any kind of sensible suggestions that consider the big knock-on effects those changes could all potentially have. Templar feedback was a relatively big nerf, Carrier was pretty big. In combination when they’re both big components of Protoss lategame vZ, seems pretty sensible that maybe that’s not an area Protoss want to try to go up against Zerg in. That top Protoss players seem to have accepted this and ground out fiendish and ever more refined timing attacks seems very much a tactic acceptance of this and a necessity breeds invention kind of scenario. It’s nowhere near as extreme no, Protoss relied on timing attacks for ages once BL/Infestor matured. this must be the third time you saying this and i am fully aware of it thanks to you and your GUTS buddy now its time for dem pro protoss players to prove that by actually playing late game PvZ.this match up was much less shitty when protoss were trying void ray tho Why would they? This isn’t a matter of Protoss players not experimenting and even trying to play late game, it’s the late game they had figured out, is not very good anymore, which is 100% related to balance changes and not meta changes. Carriers are worse, Templars role in zoning out Vipers/Infestors to a degree with feedback is one they don’t fulfil as well. If Stats, if anyone is that ‘straight up Protoss’ went from employing late-game oriented games against Serral at BlizzCon to never even throwing in a single game in a series against anyone anytime recently (that I’ve seen), maybe it’s just not very smart to do? If Protoss had a ground-to-air unit even nearly as potent as a Ghost, then yeah theoretically sure. Past a point vs Zerg in lategame they have to take to the skies, and have done in the past prior to balance changes. Parasitic bomb is pretty good when most of your stuff is up there, especially if those units aren’t as strong as they used to be. Which I don’t even mind all that much, some of the worst periods in the game have involved air blobs. Terrans have some late game super comps that are extremely hard to get to, or borderline impossible depending upon the level of play. Nobody is saying, for example mass fully upgraded BCs is an easy goal to get to, but in games where players do get there they are bloody good. GUTS? | ||
seemsgood
5527 Posts
On May 23 2019 10:30 Wombat_NI wrote: Show nested quote + On May 23 2019 09:26 seemsgood wrote: On May 23 2019 05:08 Xain0n wrote: On May 23 2019 02:30 seemsgood wrote: On May 22 2019 22:48 BerserkSword wrote: The interesting thing is that we saw this powerful midgame PvZ play really started to emerge after the carrier, tempest, and high templar got nerfed really hard. I don't blame protoss players for trying to end the game early when there is pretty much nothing they can do against late game infestor compositions now that carriers are garbage, tempests go down like flies, and feedback got nerfed in half. Protoss even loses out against late game Terran with the buffed BC and Thor that slaughter skytoss. Apple is apple and orange is orange I do say we nerf protoss first then process into addressing it's late game Pro players must play alot of late game vs zerg and Terran like about 2-3 tournaments with a decent amount of late game using Stargate tech before concluding anything because honestly reading your whine post about toss late game time and time again is annoying as fuck and why you still havent gotten nuked for doing that is beyond me. it is tenfond worse than zerg n terran full force whines combined If protoss late is too weak then buff it but protoss players gotta prove it first By stop carting zerg and Terran with templarnrobot tech first ofc It's funny how when Terran were dismantling Protoss with midrange pushes the main problem still was how weak Terran lategame was. well its because you wont see it works everytime even when your base is near UED earth or right next to artanis's toilet.no actually its really burst in some maps and you can thank uncle blizzard for that kind of map pool in order to archieve thier precious 50% winnrate On May 23 2019 05:14 Wombat_NI wrote: It’s nowhere near that because it’s actually kinda obviously true. Terran one is debatable I guess, Zerg definitely seems to be the case. Vs other whine which is literally any time a Protoss wins a match regardless of how many mistakes their opponent made or how well the Protoss played, that don’t make any kind of sensible suggestions that consider the big knock-on effects those changes could all potentially have. Templar feedback was a relatively big nerf, Carrier was pretty big. In combination when they’re both big components of Protoss lategame vZ, seems pretty sensible that maybe that’s not an area Protoss want to try to go up against Zerg in. That top Protoss players seem to have accepted this and ground out fiendish and ever more refined timing attacks seems very much a tactic acceptance of this and a necessity breeds invention kind of scenario. It’s nowhere near as extreme no, Protoss relied on timing attacks for ages once BL/Infestor matured. this must be the third time you saying this and i am fully aware of it thanks to you and your GUTS buddy now its time for dem pro protoss players to prove that by actually playing late game PvZ.this match up was much less shitty when protoss were trying void ray tho Why would they? This isn’t a matter of Protoss players not experimenting and even trying to play late game, it’s the late game they had figured out, is not very good anymore, which is 100% related to balance changes and not meta changes. Carriers are worse, Templars role in zoning out Vipers/Infestors to a degree with feedback is one they don’t fulfil as well. If Stats, if anyone is that ‘straight up Protoss’ went from employing late-game oriented games against Serral at BlizzCon to never even throwing in a single game in a series against anyone anytime recently (that I’ve seen), maybe it’s just not very smart to do? If Protoss had a ground-to-air unit even nearly as potent as a Ghost, then yeah theoretically sure. Past a point vs Zerg in lategame they have to take to the skies, and have done in the past prior to balance changes. Parasitic bomb is pretty good when most of your stuff is up there, especially if those units aren’t as strong as they used to be. Which I don’t even mind all that much, some of the worst periods in the game have involved air blobs. Terrans have some late game super comps that are extremely hard to get to, or borderline impossible depending upon the level of play. Nobody is saying, for example mass fully upgraded BCs is an easy goal to get to, but in games where players do get there they are bloody good. GUTS? really ? why not because of the two bases all in build is so strong so protoss can just straight up kill zerg in mid ーnear late game and skytoss aint super strong as they were for protoss to continue abusing it ? but skytoss being underpowered because they got nerf is another story that almost exclusively comes out from you and that guy on this forum without good amount examples to back up cuz your idols are way too busy massing immortals. blizzard were right at taking terran s fang in early game two times to force them play macro game on certain maps and whatever the current state of macro game TvP is,its a good data for next balance step instead of doing blindless balance change based on wall of texts coming from some random folks like u so no! i d think skytoss aint OP anymoar but i disagree with every single comment saying that skytoss is underpowered.macro pvz and tvp need to be solved first.2 base all in gotta go //also u dont need to know the manga character guts cuz i m sure there is one person knows what I mean | ||
sneakyfox
8216 Posts
On May 23 2019 06:58 mpmaley86 wrote: Long time lurker (basically forever) but as I get older I need a place to talk SC2 because my love for it is growing. Catching up on group A now! Just felt like posting :3 Welcome mate! We all know that the true glory of Starcraft is in the LR thread | ||
pdd
Australia9933 Posts
On May 23 2019 07:01 Wombat_NI wrote: Show nested quote + On May 23 2019 06:58 mpmaley86 wrote: Long time lurker (basically forever) but as I get older I need a place to talk SC2 because my love for it is growing. Catching up on group A now! Just felt like posting :3 Welcome, you’ll never truly be a hundred percent lurker ever again! Yeah I had a complete break with the game for years, no playing no watching. Feels nice to have my passion back and be around others who share it Found Tasteless's alt | ||
repomaniak
Poland324 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland20731 Posts
On May 23 2019 12:00 seemsgood wrote: Show nested quote + On May 23 2019 10:30 Wombat_NI wrote: On May 23 2019 09:26 seemsgood wrote: On May 23 2019 05:08 Xain0n wrote: On May 23 2019 02:30 seemsgood wrote: On May 22 2019 22:48 BerserkSword wrote: The interesting thing is that we saw this powerful midgame PvZ play really started to emerge after the carrier, tempest, and high templar got nerfed really hard. I don't blame protoss players for trying to end the game early when there is pretty much nothing they can do against late game infestor compositions now that carriers are garbage, tempests go down like flies, and feedback got nerfed in half. Protoss even loses out against late game Terran with the buffed BC and Thor that slaughter skytoss. Apple is apple and orange is orange I do say we nerf protoss first then process into addressing it's late game Pro players must play alot of late game vs zerg and Terran like about 2-3 tournaments with a decent amount of late game using Stargate tech before concluding anything because honestly reading your whine post about toss late game time and time again is annoying as fuck and why you still havent gotten nuked for doing that is beyond me. it is tenfond worse than zerg n terran full force whines combined If protoss late is too weak then buff it but protoss players gotta prove it first By stop carting zerg and Terran with templarnrobot tech first ofc It's funny how when Terran were dismantling Protoss with midrange pushes the main problem still was how weak Terran lategame was. well its because you wont see it works everytime even when your base is near UED earth or right next to artanis's toilet.no actually its really burst in some maps and you can thank uncle blizzard for that kind of map pool in order to archieve thier precious 50% winnrate On May 23 2019 05:14 Wombat_NI wrote: It’s nowhere near that because it’s actually kinda obviously true. Terran one is debatable I guess, Zerg definitely seems to be the case. Vs other whine which is literally any time a Protoss wins a match regardless of how many mistakes their opponent made or how well the Protoss played, that don’t make any kind of sensible suggestions that consider the big knock-on effects those changes could all potentially have. Templar feedback was a relatively big nerf, Carrier was pretty big. In combination when they’re both big components of Protoss lategame vZ, seems pretty sensible that maybe that’s not an area Protoss want to try to go up against Zerg in. That top Protoss players seem to have accepted this and ground out fiendish and ever more refined timing attacks seems very much a tactic acceptance of this and a necessity breeds invention kind of scenario. It’s nowhere near as extreme no, Protoss relied on timing attacks for ages once BL/Infestor matured. this must be the third time you saying this and i am fully aware of it thanks to you and your GUTS buddy now its time for dem pro protoss players to prove that by actually playing late game PvZ.this match up was much less shitty when protoss were trying void ray tho Why would they? This isn’t a matter of Protoss players not experimenting and even trying to play late game, it’s the late game they had figured out, is not very good anymore, which is 100% related to balance changes and not meta changes. Carriers are worse, Templars role in zoning out Vipers/Infestors to a degree with feedback is one they don’t fulfil as well. If Stats, if anyone is that ‘straight up Protoss’ went from employing late-game oriented games against Serral at BlizzCon to never even throwing in a single game in a series against anyone anytime recently (that I’ve seen), maybe it’s just not very smart to do? If Protoss had a ground-to-air unit even nearly as potent as a Ghost, then yeah theoretically sure. Past a point vs Zerg in lategame they have to take to the skies, and have done in the past prior to balance changes. Parasitic bomb is pretty good when most of your stuff is up there, especially if those units aren’t as strong as they used to be. Which I don’t even mind all that much, some of the worst periods in the game have involved air blobs. Terrans have some late game super comps that are extremely hard to get to, or borderline impossible depending upon the level of play. Nobody is saying, for example mass fully upgraded BCs is an easy goal to get to, but in games where players do get there they are bloody good. GUTS? really ? why not because of the two bases all in build is so strong so protoss can just straight up kill zerg in mid ーnear late game and skytoss aint super strong as they were for protoss to continue abusing it ? but skytoss being underpowered because they got nerf is another story that almost exclusively comes out from you and that guy on this forum without good amount examples to back up cuz your idols are way too busy massing immortals. blizzard were right at taking terran s fang in early game two times to force them play macro game on certain maps and whatever the current state of macro game TvP is,its a good data for next balance step instead of doing blindless balance change based on wall of texts coming from some random folks like u so no! i d think skytoss aint OP anymoar but i disagree with every single comment saying that skytoss is underpowered.macro pvz and tvp need to be solved first.2 base all in gotta go //also u dont need to know the manga character guts cuz i m sure there is one person knows what I mean I don’t dispute that Protoss all-ins are too strong though, there could be tweaks made there. I don’t see why you have to be so abrasive, I’m not saying anything pros don’t say, or don’t tacitly acknowledge by not playing for the lategame vZ. You don’t fix balance by looking at issues as they are, you consider what else can happen if you do make changes. Some of the worst periods of all of SC2 came from balance changes intended to force macro games, because they’re more ‘legit’ or something. Queen buff may have helped Zerg deal with bullshit aggression, but it also let Zerg go to the lategame BL/Infestor styles super quickly and we know how that ended up going. Toss players may dispute whether they’re too strong in the areas they’re strong in, I think they maybe are a bit, I’d say the majority will say that their lategame vZ isn’t good at the minute. A nerf to PvZ timings if you overdo it is a straight up nerf to Protoss as things stand if you don’t do anything else. | ||
WombaT
Northern Ireland20731 Posts
On May 23 2019 17:45 pdd wrote: Show nested quote + On May 23 2019 07:01 Wombat_NI wrote: On May 23 2019 06:58 mpmaley86 wrote: Long time lurker (basically forever) but as I get older I need a place to talk SC2 because my love for it is growing. Catching up on group A now! Just felt like posting :3 Welcome, you’ll never truly be a hundred percent lurker ever again! Yeah I had a complete break with the game for years, no playing no watching. Feels nice to have my passion back and be around others who share it Found Tasteless's alt He’s my alt I’ll have you know. | ||
deacon.frost
Czech Republic12116 Posts
On May 23 2019 12:00 seemsgood wrote: Show nested quote + On May 23 2019 10:30 Wombat_NI wrote: On May 23 2019 09:26 seemsgood wrote: On May 23 2019 05:08 Xain0n wrote: On May 23 2019 02:30 seemsgood wrote: On May 22 2019 22:48 BerserkSword wrote: The interesting thing is that we saw this powerful midgame PvZ play really started to emerge after the carrier, tempest, and high templar got nerfed really hard. I don't blame protoss players for trying to end the game early when there is pretty much nothing they can do against late game infestor compositions now that carriers are garbage, tempests go down like flies, and feedback got nerfed in half. Protoss even loses out against late game Terran with the buffed BC and Thor that slaughter skytoss. Apple is apple and orange is orange I do say we nerf protoss first then process into addressing it's late game Pro players must play alot of late game vs zerg and Terran like about 2-3 tournaments with a decent amount of late game using Stargate tech before concluding anything because honestly reading your whine post about toss late game time and time again is annoying as fuck and why you still havent gotten nuked for doing that is beyond me. it is tenfond worse than zerg n terran full force whines combined If protoss late is too weak then buff it but protoss players gotta prove it first By stop carting zerg and Terran with templarnrobot tech first ofc It's funny how when Terran were dismantling Protoss with midrange pushes the main problem still was how weak Terran lategame was. well its because you wont see it works everytime even when your base is near UED earth or right next to artanis's toilet.no actually its really burst in some maps and you can thank uncle blizzard for that kind of map pool in order to archieve thier precious 50% winnrate On May 23 2019 05:14 Wombat_NI wrote: It’s nowhere near that because it’s actually kinda obviously true. Terran one is debatable I guess, Zerg definitely seems to be the case. Vs other whine which is literally any time a Protoss wins a match regardless of how many mistakes their opponent made or how well the Protoss played, that don’t make any kind of sensible suggestions that consider the big knock-on effects those changes could all potentially have. Templar feedback was a relatively big nerf, Carrier was pretty big. In combination when they’re both big components of Protoss lategame vZ, seems pretty sensible that maybe that’s not an area Protoss want to try to go up against Zerg in. That top Protoss players seem to have accepted this and ground out fiendish and ever more refined timing attacks seems very much a tactic acceptance of this and a necessity breeds invention kind of scenario. It’s nowhere near as extreme no, Protoss relied on timing attacks for ages once BL/Infestor matured. this must be the third time you saying this and i am fully aware of it thanks to you and your GUTS buddy now its time for dem pro protoss players to prove that by actually playing late game PvZ.this match up was much less shitty when protoss were trying void ray tho Why would they? This isn’t a matter of Protoss players not experimenting and even trying to play late game, it’s the late game they had figured out, is not very good anymore, which is 100% related to balance changes and not meta changes. Carriers are worse, Templars role in zoning out Vipers/Infestors to a degree with feedback is one they don’t fulfil as well. If Stats, if anyone is that ‘straight up Protoss’ went from employing late-game oriented games against Serral at BlizzCon to never even throwing in a single game in a series against anyone anytime recently (that I’ve seen), maybe it’s just not very smart to do? If Protoss had a ground-to-air unit even nearly as potent as a Ghost, then yeah theoretically sure. Past a point vs Zerg in lategame they have to take to the skies, and have done in the past prior to balance changes. Parasitic bomb is pretty good when most of your stuff is up there, especially if those units aren’t as strong as they used to be. Which I don’t even mind all that much, some of the worst periods in the game have involved air blobs. Terrans have some late game super comps that are extremely hard to get to, or borderline impossible depending upon the level of play. Nobody is saying, for example mass fully upgraded BCs is an easy goal to get to, but in games where players do get there they are bloody good. GUTS? really ? why not because of the two bases all in build is so strong so protoss can just straight up kill zerg in mid ーnear late game and skytoss aint super strong as they were for protoss to continue abusing it ? but skytoss being underpowered because they got nerf is another story that almost exclusively comes out from you and that guy on this forum without good amount examples to back up cuz your idols are way too busy massing immortals. blizzard were right at taking terran s fang in early game two times to force them play macro game on certain maps and whatever the current state of macro game TvP is,its a good data for next balance step instead of doing blindless balance change based on wall of texts coming from some random folks like u so no! i d think skytoss aint OP anymoar but i disagree with every single comment saying that skytoss is underpowered.macro pvz and tvp need to be solved first.2 base all in gotta go //also u dont need to know the manga character guts cuz i m sure there is one person knows what I mean Where's the patch or at least balance discussion thread started with the "blue post"? We're waiting fairly long while Blizz is silent, the research isn't going very well it seems... | ||
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