EPT[GSL 2019] Season 2 - Ro32 Group C - Page 7
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IshinShishi
Japan6156 Posts
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On May 01 2019 21:22 M2 wrote: why solar (and zergs overall) not going for spire to get rid of shuttle/oracle harass? its not good in SC2? Because protoss makes phoenix and, congratulations, you've just wasted 600/600 Sometimes it can be done vs dt drop opening (as they have trouble defending a few mutas) but even without stargate it's risky since protoss can just come with archons and kill you while mutalisks try to be cute. Let's not even talk about corruptors. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On May 01 2019 21:20 IshinShishi wrote: solar couldn't just try to take a 4th on the back of lurker tech, no upgrades and 50 drones, he never holds an attack if he goes for that. Hurricane was down to 30 workers, his attack was being contained pretty well by Solar's lurkers and zergling's runbys were being effective. It's not like Solar had a significant army advantage, trying to end the game seemed one unnecessary gamble to me. | ||
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M2
Bulgaria4129 Posts
On May 01 2019 21:26 Ej_ wrote: Because protoss makes phoenix and, congratulations, you've just wasted 600/600 Sometimes it can be done vs dt drop opening (as they have trouble defending a few mutas) but even without stargate it's risky since protoss can just come with archons and kill you while mutalisks try to be cute. Let's not even talk about corruptors. Well this sounds like a huge design flaw for zerg if they cannot fight for air priority at all. Not only air priority but also not having the tools to shut down air harass and make it actually risky for the opponent to fly things over the zerg base, different than the risk of not looking and fly over a ground anti-air | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On May 01 2019 21:20 Elentos wrote: Eliminated in the Ro32 of GSL in 7 out of 10 attempts in LotV. Solar you madman. Every korean Zerg is specialized at choking in a different round of Code S: Solar in ro32, Rogue in ro8, Dark in ro4, soO in the grand final. Very cute, if you ask me! | ||
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repomaniak
Poland324 Posts
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Elentos
55555 Posts
On May 01 2019 21:40 Xain0n wrote: Every korean Zerg is specialized at choking in a different round of Code S: Solar in ro32, Rogue in ro8, Dark in ro4, soO in the grand final. Very cute, if you ask me! So I guess Impact's aspiring to be the guy who fails the Ro16. | ||
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DSh1
292 Posts
On May 01 2019 21:37 M2 wrote: Well this sounds like a huge design flaw for zerg if they cannot fight for air priority at all. Not only air priority but also not having the tools to shut down air harass and make it actually risky for the opponent to fly things over the zerg base, different than the risk of not looking and fly over a ground anti-air Well, guess who has map control most of the time though? | ||
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M2
Bulgaria4129 Posts
On May 01 2019 22:10 DSh1 wrote: Well, guess who has map control most of the time though? Is it the Zerg, coz for what I see, both protoss and terran, but especially protoss are walking around the map whenever they want | ||
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Boggyb
2855 Posts
On May 01 2019 21:37 M2 wrote: Well this sounds like a huge design flaw for zerg if they cannot fight for air priority at all. Not only air priority but also not having the tools to shut down air harass and make it actually risky for the opponent to fly things over the zerg base, different than the risk of not looking and fly over a ground anti-air Zerg absolutely can fight for air superiority, but they can't do it with mutas. That's a good thing as mutas are annoying enough currently to be a significant reason why Protoss pretty much always open Stargate. If Mutas could win air fights, Protoss would be forced into one macro build or suffer a build order loss to any Zerg player going Spire. The problem with Corruptors is unless you're playing someone going multi-stargate phoenix, you kill whatever air they have then you have a bunch of basically dead supply until you get Broodlords. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On May 01 2019 21:37 M2 wrote: Well this sounds like a huge design flaw for zerg if they cannot fight for air priority at all. Not only air priority but also not having the tools to shut down air harass and make it actually risky for the opponent to fly things over the zerg base, different than the risk of not looking and fly over a ground anti-air LotV has many design flaws which were made more glaring lately. You get used to it eventually. | ||
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Boggyb
2855 Posts
On May 01 2019 22:54 deacon.frost wrote: LotV has many design flaws which were made more glaring lately. You get used to it eventually. The funny thing about that is the race with the worst hasn't been seriously touched in any of the redesign patches. | ||
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argonautdice
Canada2719 Posts
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On May 01 2019 22:54 deacon.frost wrote: Why not snipe the observer? It was in front of the army and in the "siege" mode? Was there another one around? LotV has many design flaws which were made more glaring lately. You get used to it eventually. Spire is indeed too slow to stop the harass; Queens should be able to deal with Oracles, at worst you could build Spores. Air superiority does not seem integral in early game ZvP as long as you can defend, after that for everything else there is Mast...I mean there are Hydralisks. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15999 Posts
On May 01 2019 23:03 Boggyb wrote: The funny thing about that is the race with the worst hasn't been seriously touched in any of the redesign patches. which race are you talking about? | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On May 01 2019 23:03 Boggyb wrote: The funny thing about that is the race with the worst hasn't been seriously touched in any of the redesign patches. Yeah, Zergs really need that. The omnipotent queen reminds me a lot MSC  | ||
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Boggyb
2855 Posts
On May 01 2019 23:07 deacon.frost wrote: Yeah, Zergs really need that. The omnipotent queen reminds me a lot MSC It should since it is a band aid patch that keeps together a flawed race. The Queen also fits more in WC3 design philosophy in that it is both an economic and military unit which makes it a giant aberration in SC2. The redesign Zerg needed: Delete Queen (combine that with deleting mules and chrono) Remove vision from creep Make whatever other changes are needed to make that playable (probably involves making Hydras tier 1) | ||
Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37041 Posts
On May 01 2019 21:40 Xain0n wrote: Every Korean Zerg is specialized at choking in a different round of Code S: Solar in ro32, Rogue in ro8, Dark in ro4, soO in the grand final. Very cute, if you ask me! Don’t forget Impact in Ro16. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
He hasn't reached their level yet, he should be 3-3(or 3-2) between ro32 and ro16 exits if I remember correctly; he has the right potential, we can believe in him. | ||
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Elentos
55555 Posts
It's not like Impact should finish higher than Ro16 honestly. | ||
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