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On March 24 2019 01:01 BerserkSword wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2019 00:54 Elentos wrote:On March 24 2019 00:51 BerserkSword wrote:On March 24 2019 00:47 Elentos wrote:On March 24 2019 00:44 Need wrote:On March 24 2019 00:42 kmh wrote:That heromarine game should put a stop to terran balance whine  Maru and Inno already made the ZvT situation clear crank: it seems innovation at iem and your lategames prove that in tvz terran is more likely to win the game if you get to very lategame macro. innovation agreed on that. what's your opinion?
maru:i agree also.
crank:then there is no answer for that situation for zerg?
maru:yeah...zerg has to end before entering that stage. It's so rare for games to go as late as Inno and Maru mean, especially on halfway even footing. The hell kind of games do they play in practice to be sure Zerg can't win? terran efficiency snowballs at that point Mules, mech, Terran sim cities, all the range advantages, etc. It just makes sense They don't play mech though. And as I said, games going that late to begin with is a rarity. Like, the late game they're talking about is lots of ghosts, mass libs, nukes. That's 20+ minute games. Those are already rare to begin with among Koreans. And they also depend on players not making a game-ending mistake. And there's literally nothing easier in late game ZvT/TvZ than to make a game-ending mistake. both mech and ghost/lib styles are highly efficient though unit comps are only one aspect. Terran racial attributes like mules, sim city w/ static defense + entrenched positions, unit efficiency are just so powerful in the ultra late game. i agree with inno and maru - that kind of late game Terran is heavily favored
Infestor/Viper is also very efficient. And the rest of the Zerg army is easier to control than the terran army I'd say.
And Zerg has creep and can accumulate stupid amounts of larva for massive remax or tech switch.
It seems really far fetched that terran should have en inherent advantage in lategame TvZ
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Heromarine didn't really seem strong, before. Let's see if he qualifies now.
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On March 24 2019 01:03 BerserkSword wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2019 00:58 Ej_ wrote:On March 24 2019 00:55 BerserkSword wrote:On March 24 2019 00:53 Xain0n wrote:On March 24 2019 00:41 starkiller123 wrote:On March 24 2019 00:40 Nakajin wrote:On March 24 2019 00:37 starkiller123 wrote:
Damn Serral lost 2-0 vs HeRoMaRinE?? How were the games? Bad, Serral didn't know what to do against battle mech So was it the jet lag this time or some other random excuse? What excuse? Heromarine legitimately won. It's crystal clear Serral is not the dominating juggernaut he was the last year, but that's not an excuse. If someone would like to throw in something like "outplay" that might be the case it's appropriate. not sure what serral was supposed to do when his fleet of zerg's most expensive units just melt to a mech ball fuck i wish the most expensive zerg unit was the hydralisk i mean the broodlord + viper fleet lol
His vipers were doing well.. Serral was keeping them alive, recharging them, using them properly. Same with his infestors in G1. The broodlords though... I get it that they're Zerg's power unit, but broodlings were wiped out by libs/blue flame, and the broodlords were annihilated by lock-ons. They're slow, fragile, expensive, the armor upgrades are slow... they're outranged by thors (G1).
But I think Serral needs to try harder. Even if there was a balance issue, he's supposed to beat European terrans. I guess he did say that winning Blizzcon was his main goal, so not sure if he's similarly motivated as last year to try harder and improve himself or he just wants to get by and make some more money before starting a normal life. I hope to see better plays from him in the future.
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Showtime vs Lambo g2 rly showcased how stupid nydus can be vs protoss atm.
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Wonder if Heromarine could switch into tanks here. This cyclone comp is really not that good when it can only defend.
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On March 24 2019 01:18 darklycid wrote:
Showtime vs Lambo g2 rly showcased how stupid nydus can be vs protoss atm.
Neeb vs Lambo at IEM group stage showcased how a protoss should defend against nydus, and we saw Neeb thoroughly dismantle the waves of attacks from Lambo.
Showtime should learn from Neeb
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On March 24 2019 01:00 yht9657 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2019 00:57 Need wrote:
Wow CrankTV at 4k viewers? Do Koreans actually watch European Starcraft at 1AM or what? Is the figure before or after Serral lost tho
It's still at 3.5k which is more than any other secondary WCS stream and more than the GSL english stream often gets
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Canada8990 Posts
I get that this is more laid back, but it would be nice if they cast the game a bit
edit: there it is
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On March 24 2019 01:10 Need wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2019 01:03 BerserkSword wrote:On March 24 2019 00:58 Ej_ wrote:On March 24 2019 00:55 BerserkSword wrote:On March 24 2019 00:53 Xain0n wrote:On March 24 2019 00:41 starkiller123 wrote:On March 24 2019 00:40 Nakajin wrote:On March 24 2019 00:37 starkiller123 wrote:
Damn Serral lost 2-0 vs HeRoMaRinE?? How were the games? Bad, Serral didn't know what to do against battle mech So was it the jet lag this time or some other random excuse? What excuse? Heromarine legitimately won. It's crystal clear Serral is not the dominating juggernaut he was the last year, but that's not an excuse. If someone would like to throw in something like "outplay" that might be the case it's appropriate. not sure what serral was supposed to do when his fleet of zerg's most expensive units just melt to a mech ball fuck i wish the most expensive zerg unit was the hydralisk i mean the broodlord + viper fleet lol His vipers were doing well.. Serral was keeping them alive, recharging them, using them properly. Same with his infestors in G1. The broodlords though... I get it that they're Zerg's power unit, but broodlings were wiped out by libs/blue flame, and the broodlords were annihilated by lock-ons. They're slow, fragile, expensive, the armor upgrades are slow... they're outranged by thors (G1). But I think Serral needs to try harder. Even if there was a balance issue, he's supposed to beat European terrans. I guess he did say that winning Blizzcon was his main goal, so not sure if he's similarly motivated as last year to try harder and improve himself or he just wants to get by and make some more money before starting a normal life. I hope to see better plays from him in the future.
i agree that serral underperformed compared to how he normally plays. but in game 1, which is what i was really referring to (late late game) he still outplayed heromarine for most of the game until all those expensive air units were melted by thors. heromarine was taking bad engagement after bad engagement, then 5 thors come out and the game completely turns around?
game 2 serral, for whatever reason, was making the wrong unit composition in the early-mid game and then got blind sided, so it's a little more understandable.
i just dont know what a zerg player is supposed to do
thors and cyclones melt zerg T3 air units, hellbats massacre lings and broodlings, hydras are zoned out by liberators and cyclones are just killing everything. cant even do ling runbys because of planetary fortress....the list goes on
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On March 24 2019 01:30 BerserkSword wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2019 01:10 Need wrote:On March 24 2019 01:03 BerserkSword wrote:On March 24 2019 00:58 Ej_ wrote:On March 24 2019 00:55 BerserkSword wrote:On March 24 2019 00:53 Xain0n wrote:On March 24 2019 00:41 starkiller123 wrote:On March 24 2019 00:40 Nakajin wrote:On March 24 2019 00:37 starkiller123 wrote:
Damn Serral lost 2-0 vs HeRoMaRinE?? How were the games? Bad, Serral didn't know what to do against battle mech So was it the jet lag this time or some other random excuse? What excuse? Heromarine legitimately won. It's crystal clear Serral is not the dominating juggernaut he was the last year, but that's not an excuse. If someone would like to throw in something like "outplay" that might be the case it's appropriate. not sure what serral was supposed to do when his fleet of zerg's most expensive units just melt to a mech ball fuck i wish the most expensive zerg unit was the hydralisk i mean the broodlord + viper fleet lol His vipers were doing well.. Serral was keeping them alive, recharging them, using them properly. Same with his infestors in G1. The broodlords though... I get it that they're Zerg's power unit, but broodlings were wiped out by libs/blue flame, and the broodlords were annihilated by lock-ons. They're slow, fragile, expensive, the armor upgrades are slow... they're outranged by thors (G1). But I think Serral needs to try harder. Even if there was a balance issue, he's supposed to beat European terrans. I guess he did say that winning Blizzcon was his main goal, so not sure if he's similarly motivated as last year to try harder and improve himself or he just wants to get by and make some more money before starting a normal life. I hope to see better plays from him in the future. i agree that serral underperformed compared to how he normally plays. but in game 1, which is what i was really referring to (late late game) he still outplayed heromarine for most of the game until all those expensive air units were melted by thors. heromarine was taking bad engagement after bad engagement, then 5 thors come out and the game completely turns around? game 2 serral, for whatever reason, was making the wrong unit composition in the early-mid game and then got blind sided, so it's a little more understandable. i just dont know what a zerg player is supposed to do thors and cyclones melt zerg T3 air units, hellbats massacre lings and broodlings, hydras are zoned out by liberators and cyclones are just killing everything. cant even do ling runbys because of planetary fortress....the list goes on
I wish Zergs tried ultras/corruptor/viper/ling/bane (+- infestor) more, but I guess players don't want to leave the comfort of BL sieging and deal with the bulkiness of ultras. But the meta may force them to explore some alternatives
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If Serral vs ShoWTimE is the last match why does Serral not have to play vs Elazer and Reynor?
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On March 24 2019 01:41 LimeNade wrote:
If Serral vs ShoWTimE is the last match why does Serral not have to play vs Elazer and Reynor?
It's round robin: everyone plays everyone. Probably the matches you mention happen tomorrow
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On March 24 2019 01:44 Need wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2019 01:41 LimeNade wrote:
If Serral vs ShoWTimE is the last match why does Serral not have to play vs Elazer and Reynor? It's round robin: everyone plays everyone. Probably the matches you mention happen tomorrow
oo i didnt realize they only playing half their matches today, thanks for that update
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Textbook two stargate phoenix getting scouted early.
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Have we begun to question Serral's godhood already?
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Lol that Lambo throw. Reynor to take 1st in the group?
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On March 24 2019 01:54 Heartland wrote:
Have we begun to question Serral's godhood already?
His goodhood, even.
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On March 24 2019 01:54 Heartland wrote:
Have we begun to question Serral's godhood already?
Of course. He's basically doomed if he can't beat Heromarine, given that he runs into Heromarine every tournament for some reason.
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On March 24 2019 01:56 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2019 01:54 Heartland wrote:
Have we begun to question Serral's godhood already? Of course. He's basically doomed if he can't beat Heromarine, given that he runs into Heromarine every tournament for some reason.
Is he actually a trash patchzerg?
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On March 24 2019 01:56 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2019 01:54 Heartland wrote:
Have we begun to question Serral's godhood already? His goodhood, even.
A well deserved status after the last year; still, it can definitely be questioned at the moment.
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