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2019 WCS Winter/EuropeIn the EU corner we have
Serral vs Reynor vs 
ShoWTimE vs 
HeRoMaRinE vs Lambo vs Elazer vs PtitDrogo vs Rail!And over in NA we have
Astrea vs Cham vs MaSa vs Neeb vs Probe vs puCK vs Scarlett vs TIME![WCS 2019] Winter Series - Ro8 - EU & NA
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SetGuitarsToKill
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In the EU corner we have Serral vs Reynor vs ShoWTimE vs HeRoMaRinE vs Lambo vs Elazer vs PtitDrogo vs Rail!And over in NA we have Astrea vs Cham vs MaSa vs Neeb vs Probe vs puCK vs Scarlett vs TIME! | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
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Need
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Nakajin
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Ej_
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On March 23 2019 23:50 Nakajin wrote: Heromarine-Serral coming up next could be interesting in theory, I don't think heromarine is good enough tho. If you get 2-0'd by Lambo, you will not play a close series against Serral. | ||
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Fanatic-Templar
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Ej_
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On March 24 2019 00:08 Fanatic-Templar wrote: This format is weird. It's the best league format. | ||
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Need
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Fanatic-Templar
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Don't think so. It's weird that they're doing so many series in one weekend that you can't watch every Ro8 game. | ||
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Ej_
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On March 23 2019 23:58 Ej_ wrote: If you get 2-0'd by Lambo, you will not play a close series against Serral. well was I wrong | ||
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BerserkSword
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no offense to hero marine but come on User was warned for this post | ||
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Ej_
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On March 24 2019 00:18 BerserkSword wrote: late game TvZ is such a joke no offense to hero marine but come on It's the time to nerf the thor. | ||
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BerserkSword
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not sure if sarcasm, but i agree revert the cannon range to 10 | ||
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Ej_
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On March 24 2019 00:20 BerserkSword wrote: not sure if sarcasm, but i agree revert the cannon range to 10 Remove their baseline armor. It's time to make Terran suck again. | ||
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Elentos
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On March 24 2019 00:20 BerserkSword wrote: not sure if sarcasm, but i agree revert the cannon range to 10 And what does that do? It makes mech worse but mech is already considered weaker than bio. | ||
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somewan
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On March 24 2019 00:18 BerserkSword wrote: late game TvZ is such a joke no offense to hero marine but come on Don't let Terran get there, wasn't it? | ||
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Ej_
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I, personally, quit the game when my opponent finishes their armory. | ||
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Need
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Elentos
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Nakajin
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Ej_
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On March 24 2019 00:33 Nakajin wrote: Serral need coruptors they are kind of useless vs every unit but liberator | ||
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Meeii
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BerserkSword
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StasisField
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On March 24 2019 00:33 Nakajin wrote: Serral need coruptors Yeah, Corrupters would have been much better imo. Serral just kept walking into ranged libs and taking free shots | ||
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D-light
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On March 24 2019 00:34 Meeii wrote: I guess Serral is just "bad" against terrans? Very bad. | ||
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BerserkSword
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guess it doesnt matter lmao | ||
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AzAlexZ
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On March 23 2019 23:58 Ej_ wrote: If you get 2-0'd by Lambo, you will not play a close series against Serral. Well this comment aged well | ||
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starkiller123
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Xain0n
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Btw, Lambo lost 0-3 against Innovation, I would not say he has the best TvZ in EU. Edit:Heromarine clearly is the best Terran in the world(it's sarcasm). | ||
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Nakajin
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On March 24 2019 00:37 starkiller123 wrote: Damn Serral lost 2-0 vs HeRoMaRinE?? How were the games? Bad, Serral didn't know what to do against battle mech | ||
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Need
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On March 24 2019 00:37 starkiller123 wrote: Damn Serral lost 2-0 vs HeRoMaRinE?? How were the games? Standard battlemech + libs vs fast hive zerg who dumped their gas into broods that don't do anything | ||
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starkiller123
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On March 24 2019 00:40 Nakajin wrote: Bad, Serral didn't know what to do against battle mech So was it the jet lag this time or some other random excuse? | ||
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kmh
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Elentos
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On March 24 2019 00:42 kmh wrote: That heromarine game should put a stop to terran balance whine Sorry, Serral doesn't play Protoss and Heromarine's bio already got rekt by Lambo. Time to start whining that Terran is forced to play mech, ya know? | ||
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Need
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On March 24 2019 00:42 kmh wrote: That heromarine game should put a stop to terran balance whine Maru and Inno already made the ZvT situation clear crank: it seems innovation at iem and your lategames prove that in tvz terran is more likely to win the game if you get to very lategame macro. innovation agreed on that. what's your opinion? maru:i agree also. crank:then there is no answer for that situation for zerg? maru:yeah...zerg has to end before entering that stage. | ||
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D-light
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On March 24 2019 00:41 starkiller123 wrote: So was it the jet lag this time or some other random excuse? What are you even talking about? | ||
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Elentos
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On March 24 2019 00:44 Need wrote: Maru and Inno already made the ZvT situation clear It's so rare for games to go as late as Inno and Maru mean, especially on halfway even footing. The hell kind of games do they play in practice to be sure Zerg can't win? | ||
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Xain0n
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On March 24 2019 00:47 Elentos wrote: It's so rare for games to go as late as Inno and Maru mean, especially on halfway even footing. The hell kind of games do they play in practice to be sure Zerg can't win? Well, it's not that they lack practice. Rogue's ZvT is solid and I guess they are more likely to play against Dark's and Solar's; recent tournament results also seem to suggest Terran wins the lategame more often against Zerg. | ||
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Need
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BerserkSword
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On March 24 2019 00:47 Elentos wrote: It's so rare for games to go as late as Inno and Maru mean, especially on halfway even footing. The hell kind of games do they play in practice to be sure Zerg can't win? terran efficiency snowballs at that point Mules, mech, Terran sim cities, pound for pound strongest units in the game, all the range advantages, etc. It just makes sense, and the proof is in the pudding | ||
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stilt
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On March 24 2019 00:41 starkiller123 wrote: So was it the jet lag this time or some other random excuse? I don't really get the excuse you're refering to, you look like an angry boy with a vivid imagination. | ||
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Xain0n
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On March 24 2019 00:41 starkiller123 wrote: So was it the jet lag this time or some other random excuse? What excuse? Heromarine legitimately won. It's crystal clear Serral is not the dominating juggernaut he was the last year, but that's not an excuse. If someone would like to throw words like "outplay" that might be the case it's appropriate. | ||
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starkiller123
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On March 24 2019 00:51 stilt wrote: I don't really get the excuse you're refering to, you look like an angry boy with a vivid imagination. whoosh | ||
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Elentos
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On March 24 2019 00:51 BerserkSword wrote: terran efficiency snowballs at that point Mules, mech, Terran sim cities, all the range advantages, etc. It just makes sense They don't play mech though. And as I said, games going that late to begin with is a rarity. Like, the late game they're talking about is lots of ghosts, mass libs, nukes. That's 20+ minute games. Those are already rare to begin with among Koreans. And they also depend on players not making a game-ending mistake. And there's literally nothing easier in late game ZvT/TvZ than to make a game-ending mistake. | ||
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BerserkSword
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On March 24 2019 00:53 Xain0n wrote: What excuse? Heromarine legitimately won. It's crystal clear Serral is not the dominating juggernaut he was the last year, but that's not an excuse. If someone would like to throw in something like "outplay" that might be the case it's appropriate. not sure what serral was supposed to do when his fleet of zerg's most expensive units just melt to a mech ball | ||
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Need
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Ej_
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On March 24 2019 00:55 BerserkSword wrote: not sure what serral was supposed to do when his fleet of zerg's most expensive units just melt to a mech ball fuck i wish the most expensive zerg unit was the hydralisk | ||
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Need
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Xain0n
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On March 24 2019 00:55 BerserkSword wrote: not sure what serral was supposed to do when his fleet of zerg's most expensive units just melt to a mech ball I can't tell you either, but that's not exactly what we see every game. I am not a top Zerg, we will see if it's Serral being out of shape/having hard times vs Terran/choosing inappropriate strats of if that strat is just overwhelming; I'll stick with my hypothesis for now. | ||
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yht9657
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On March 24 2019 00:57 Need wrote: Wow CrankTV at 4k viewers? Do Koreans actually watch European Starcraft at 1AM or what? Is the figure before or after Serral lost tho | ||
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BerserkSword
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On March 24 2019 00:54 Elentos wrote: They don't play mech though. And as I said, games going that late to begin with is a rarity. Like, the late game they're talking about is lots of ghosts, mass libs, nukes. That's 20+ minute games. Those are already rare to begin with among Koreans. And they also depend on players not making a game-ending mistake. And there's literally nothing easier in late game ZvT/TvZ than to make a game-ending mistake. both mech and ghost/lib styles are highly efficient though unit comps are only one aspect. Terran racial attributes like mules, sim city w/ static defense + entrenched positions, unit efficiency are just so powerful in the ultra late game. i agree with inno and maru - that kind of late game Terran is heavily favored | ||
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Xain0n
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On March 24 2019 00:59 Need wrote: Time for the 2 base all-ins from Rail Are you sure you are a new member? You remind me of someone(again)... | ||
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BerserkSword
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On March 24 2019 00:58 Ej_ wrote: fuck i wish the most expensive zerg unit was the hydralisk i mean the broodlord + viper fleet lol | ||
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Elentos
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On March 24 2019 01:06 sneakyfox wrote: Wow Serral lost to Heromarine? Guess his ZvT is worse than we thought. Although Heromarine seems to be strong at the moment, he played high level TvT at Katowice too. Watch as 2-0'ing Serral is the only win Heromarine gets in this entire playoff | ||
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On March 24 2019 01:01 BerserkSword wrote: both mech and ghost/lib styles are highly efficient though unit comps are only one aspect. Terran racial attributes like mules, sim city w/ static defense + entrenched positions, unit efficiency are just so powerful in the ultra late game. i agree with inno and maru - that kind of late game Terran is heavily favored Infestor/Viper is also very efficient. And the rest of the Zerg army is easier to control than the terran army I'd say. And Zerg has creep and can accumulate stupid amounts of larva for massive remax or tech switch. It seems really far fetched that terran should have en inherent advantage in lategame TvZ | ||
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Need
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His vipers were doing well.. Serral was keeping them alive, recharging them, using them properly. Same with his infestors in G1. The broodlords though... I get it that they're Zerg's power unit, but broodlings were wiped out by libs/blue flame, and the broodlords were annihilated by lock-ons. They're slow, fragile, expensive, the armor upgrades are slow... they're outranged by thors (G1). But I think Serral needs to try harder. Even if there was a balance issue, he's supposed to beat European terrans. I guess he did say that winning Blizzcon was his main goal, so not sure if he's similarly motivated as last year to try harder and improve himself or he just wants to get by and make some more money before starting a normal life. I hope to see better plays from him in the future. | ||
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AzAlexZ
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On March 24 2019 01:18 darklycid wrote: Showtime vs Lambo g2 rly showcased how stupid nydus can be vs protoss atm. Neeb vs Lambo at IEM group stage showcased how a protoss should defend against nydus, and we saw Neeb thoroughly dismantle the waves of attacks from Lambo. Showtime should learn from Neeb | ||
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Need
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On March 24 2019 01:00 yht9657 wrote: Is the figure before or after Serral lost tho It's still at 3.5k which is more than any other secondary WCS stream and more than the GSL english stream often gets | ||
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Nakajin
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edit: there it is | ||
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BerserkSword
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On March 24 2019 01:10 Need wrote: His vipers were doing well.. Serral was keeping them alive, recharging them, using them properly. Same with his infestors in G1. The broodlords though... I get it that they're Zerg's power unit, but broodlings were wiped out by libs/blue flame, and the broodlords were annihilated by lock-ons. They're slow, fragile, expensive, the armor upgrades are slow... they're outranged by thors (G1). But I think Serral needs to try harder. Even if there was a balance issue, he's supposed to beat European terrans. I guess he did say that winning Blizzcon was his main goal, so not sure if he's similarly motivated as last year to try harder and improve himself or he just wants to get by and make some more money before starting a normal life. I hope to see better plays from him in the future. i agree that serral underperformed compared to how he normally plays. but in game 1, which is what i was really referring to (late late game) he still outplayed heromarine for most of the game until all those expensive air units were melted by thors. heromarine was taking bad engagement after bad engagement, then 5 thors come out and the game completely turns around? game 2 serral, for whatever reason, was making the wrong unit composition in the early-mid game and then got blind sided, so it's a little more understandable. i just dont know what a zerg player is supposed to do thors and cyclones melt zerg T3 air units, hellbats massacre lings and broodlings, hydras are zoned out by liberators and cyclones are just killing everything. cant even do ling runbys because of planetary fortress....the list goes on | ||
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Need
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On March 24 2019 01:30 BerserkSword wrote: i agree that serral underperformed compared to how he normally plays. but in game 1, which is what i was really referring to (late late game) he still outplayed heromarine for most of the game until all those expensive air units were melted by thors. heromarine was taking bad engagement after bad engagement, then 5 thors come out and the game completely turns around? game 2 serral, for whatever reason, was making the wrong unit composition in the early-mid game and then got blind sided, so it's a little more understandable. i just dont know what a zerg player is supposed to do thors and cyclones melt zerg T3 air units, hellbats massacre lings and broodlings, hydras are zoned out by liberators and cyclones are just killing everything. cant even do ling runbys because of planetary fortress....the list goes on I wish Zergs tried ultras/corruptor/viper/ling/bane (+- infestor) more, but I guess players don't want to leave the comfort of BL sieging and deal with the bulkiness of ultras. But the meta may force them to explore some alternatives | ||
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Need
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On March 24 2019 01:41 LimeNade wrote: If Serral vs ShoWTimE is the last match why does Serral not have to play vs Elazer and Reynor? It's round robin: everyone plays everyone. Probably the matches you mention happen tomorrow | ||
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LimeNade
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On March 24 2019 01:44 Need wrote: It's round robin: everyone plays everyone. Probably the matches you mention happen tomorrow oo i didnt realize they only playing half their matches today, thanks for that update | ||
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Ej_
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On March 24 2019 01:54 Heartland wrote: Have we begun to question Serral's godhood already? His goodhood, even. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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On March 24 2019 01:54 Heartland wrote: Have we begun to question Serral's godhood already? Of course. He's basically doomed if he can't beat Heromarine, given that he runs into Heromarine every tournament for some reason. | ||
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Heartland
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On March 24 2019 01:56 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Of course. He's basically doomed if he can't beat Heromarine, given that he runs into Heromarine every tournament for some reason. Is he actually a trash patchzerg? | ||
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Xain0n
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A well deserved status after the last year; still, it can definitely be questioned at the moment. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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Hard to tell. Can't figure out which zergs are patchzergs when zerg only gets buffs. | ||
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gotta do that vs terran | ||
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Need
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Xain0n
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On March 24 2019 02:13 Nakajin wrote: Serral heading of in a full zvz day tomorrow a game down but with the best map score, should be a Serral-Reynor decider match. Serral's ZvZ has been his best matchup in 2019, I don't think he'll lose tomorrow. | ||
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Need
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Heartland
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On March 24 2019 02:04 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Hard to tell. Can't figure out which zergs are patchzergs when zerg only gets buffs. The real galaxy brain answer is that every Zerg is a patchzerg, since Zerg has received multiple patches since WoL beta | ||
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On March 24 2019 02:22 Heartland wrote: The real galaxy brain answer is that every Zerg is a patchzerg, since Zerg has received multiple patches since WoL beta Fruitdealer was the only honest zerg | ||
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Need
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Heartland
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He dealt in simple, pure things such as fruit while other Zergs deal in Terran and Protoss tears | ||
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Fanatic-Templar
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What about him benefitting from the Ultralisk bug patch? | ||
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StasisField
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On March 24 2019 02:26 Fanatic-Templar wrote: What about him benefitting from the Ultralisk bug patch? The one time he dealt in rotten fruit. Never again | ||
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Nakajin
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On March 24 2019 02:26 Fanatic-Templar wrote: What about him benefitting from the Ultralisk bug patch? BW taught me that there's no such thing as bugs, only alternative usage of the game mechanics. | ||
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Heartland
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On March 24 2019 03:20 AzAlexZ wrote: Neeb showing that he can defend the 2 base all-in and successfully do the 2 base all-in. He's the complete package | ||
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kmh
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AzAlexZ
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On March 24 2019 03:38 sudete wrote: Now we will see if neeb's pvp has improved since he lost to mcanning and astrea well he did 2-0 both Showtime and Harstem in WESG | ||
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Nakajin
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Looks like it's time for another knife hole in the Masa picture on scarlett wall | ||
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StasisField
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On March 24 2019 04:11 MarianoSC2 wrote: So Serral is still sick huh? Did he outplay Heromarine like he did soO and Inno and only lost because of being sick and making more mistakes because of it? Serral too hungover from celebrating his birthday  But yeah, Serral didn't look good vs heromarine. I don't think he should have morphed his corruptors into broods and overall he just didn't look that good in that series. | ||
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Xain0n
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On March 24 2019 04:11 MarianoSC2 wrote: So Serral is still sick huh? Did he outplay Heromarine like he did soO and Inno and only lost because of being sick and making more mistakes because of it? Sometimes I regret we are on a moderated forum, polite and considerate answers evidently can't scratch your senseless bias and you refuse to even try to understand. Serral is a human sc2 player in 2019, apparently; he can lose series. Losing a game is not necessarily being outplayed, you know, and a 3-4/2-3 loss cannot be called "being crushed". IF you could look at the games in a more objective way, you would not use those terms incorrectly; to make you happier, there is at least one game today in which we might say Serral effectively got hardly outplayed, UNLIKE what happened in his series against soO and Innovation. | ||
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Morbidius
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On March 24 2019 04:20 Xain0n wrote: Sometimes I regret we are on a moderated forum, polite and considerate answers evidently can't scratch your senseless bias and you refuse to even try to understand. Serral is a human sc2 player in 2019, apparently; he can lose series. That's the thing, he didn't lose these pesky things called ''series'' for almost a year. He set insane standards for himself tbh, Maru also suffers from this, when people come to ridicule him after every loss. | ||
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D-light
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On March 24 2019 04:11 MarianoSC2 wrote: So Serral is still sick huh? Did he outplay Heromarine like he did soO and Inno and only lost because of being sick and making more mistakes because of it? We don't know if he's gotten well in the last 5 days unfortunately, but regardless Heromarine played better in the series like soO and Inno made a few less mistakes and played a bit better overall in their series against Serral. And Serral said he got sick after IEM so it didn't have an impact versus soO. | ||
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AzAlexZ
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On March 24 2019 04:11 MarianoSC2 wrote: So Serral is still sick huh? Did he outplay Heromarine like he did soO and Inno and only lost because of being sick and making more mistakes because of it? please kindly just f off, Serral lost 1 series, he is still one of the strongest players out there. | ||
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StasisField
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On March 24 2019 04:22 Morbidius wrote: That's the thing, he didn't lose these pesky things called ''series'' for almost a year. He set insane standards for himself tbh, Maru also suffers from this, when people come to ridicule him after every loss. Eh, I like it when Maru loses because I hate seeing a shit ton of proxies and Maru was proxying literally every game in the GSL at one point. It was nice to see his bullshit get punished at Blizzcon and to see him lose after Blizzcon as well because it was just so nauseating for me to watch Maru proxy people to death every game. I actually stopped watching GSL when he was playing because of it. | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
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/rēˈpəɡnənsē,rəˈpəɡnənsē/ noun noun: repugnancy inconsistency or incompatibility of ideas or statements. | ||
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Morbidius
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re·pug·nan·cy /rēˈpəɡnənsē,rəˈpəɡnənsē/ noun noun: repugnancy Used to describe supposed imbalance of Siege tanks | ||
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Dingodile
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On March 24 2019 04:11 MarianoSC2 wrote: So Serral is still sick huh? Did he outplay Heromarine like he did soO and Inno and only lost because of being sick and making more mistakes because of it? More likely you need an "outlier" performance to beat Serral. SoO and Inno had that vs Serral (and the whole tournament). Heromarine today aswell. | ||
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Durnuu
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On March 24 2019 04:38 Charoisaur wrote: So... is Serral a Patchzerg? Yes. | ||
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stilt
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On March 24 2019 04:11 MarianoSC2 wrote: So Serral is still sick huh? Did he outplay Heromarine like he did soO and Inno and only lost because of being sick and making more mistakes because of it? Wny bother? Starkiller already played the smartass for you. | ||
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Xain0n
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On March 24 2019 04:38 Charoisaur wrote: So... is Serral a Patchzerg? He's more a Bonjwa than a Patchzerg. | ||
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Morbidius
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0>0? | ||
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Ej_
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Nakajin
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On March 24 2019 05:38 Waxangel wrote: Wait time is playing from America? where's he at? Dunno, but someone in the preview thread said he was in the US since a few days. | ||
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starkiller123
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On March 24 2019 05:42 Nakajin wrote: Dunno, but someone in the preview thread said he was in the US since a few days. I think they said on stream that they also heard he is in the US | ||
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pzlama333
United States277 Posts
On March 24 2019 05:38 Waxangel wrote: Wait time is playing from America? where's he at? The Chinese caster scboy has a large Chinese fan base, and some of them live in other countries. I hear that TIME flied to US a few days ago after WESG and live in one of such fan's home, either LA or San Francisco I do not remember exactly. | ||
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On March 24 2019 23:16 Elentos wrote: Man Heromarine could have won the group if Lambo wasn't a literal ZvT god. EU Terran confirmed 4th race? | ||
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On March 24 2019 23:24 sneakyfox wrote: How was Reynor-Serral g1? Very good decision-making from Reynor in terms of when to tech and what to tech into and then very nice micro on his lurkers when he pushed Serral. Serral didn't seem to really have any control of the game. | ||
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On March 24 2019 23:26 Elentos wrote: Very good decision-making from Reynor in terms of when to tech and what to tech into and then very nice micro on his lurkers when he pushed Serral. Serral didn't seem to really have any control of the game. Thanks, sounds like a good game | ||
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But serral is not as great as before for sure, he constantly threw roachs instead of massing them. | ||
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On March 24 2019 23:41 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: Serral is just giving the siima, soon he will pull the matto alta Would you be so kind to translate, pls? Btw yea, I said Serral wasn't in his best shape at the start of this month. WCS Winter's final is happening in three weeks, he has all the time to rest and shape up. | ||
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On March 24 2019 23:43 blooblooblahblah wrote: I can't tell if the style is good yet but Scarlett also smashed Serral with a similar thing at WESG so it's definitely at least a decent anti-serial strategy greedy gimmicky build that autowins if you get away with it, the underdog specialty in ZvZ | ||
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On March 24 2019 23:48 Ej_ wrote: greedy gimmicky build that autowins if you get away with it, the underdog specialty in ZvZ At least Reynor only got one evo compared to Scarlett's double evo so it was slightly more honourable. | ||
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Big Gabe v Reynor could be sick | ||
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On March 24 2019 23:54 sneakyfox wrote: Guess Heromarine didn't just win yesterday because his opponent was Serral, he's legit good this weekend! Big Gabe v Reynor could be sick Can Reynor get on Lambo's level, or will he get stuck at Elazer or Serral skill? | ||
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On March 24 2019 23:56 Elentos wrote: Can Reynor get on Lambo's level, or will he get stuck at Elazer or Serral skill? In other words, is Reynor a patchzerg on the current patch or on a former patch? | ||
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On March 24 2019 23:47 Xain0n wrote: Would you be so kind to translate, pls? Btw yea, I said Serral wasn't in his best shape at the start of this month. WCS Winter's final is happening in three weeks, he has all the time to rest and shape up. ENCE CS:GO meme. "First we give them the siima then we pull the matto alta" Because im too lazy to translate myself, here is google: First we give them some leeway then we pull the rug from underneath their feet | ||
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imagine if rail had played like this in the earlier games edit: lol | ||
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On March 25 2019 00:25 sudete wrote: Can't believe showtime is out imagine if rail had played like this in the earlier games edit: lol Showtime too really isn't himself in 2019. Rail could play much better and actually advance, I'm disappointed. | ||
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This push into the liberators looked insane. | ||
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On March 25 2019 00:33 stilt wrote: Heromarine must be so sad. This push into the liberators looked insane. Yeah but it wasn't at all. Drogo realized that Heromarine spread the zones out to cover as much area as he could and engaged the part that was covered by the least amount of libs before Heromarine could reposition them. | ||
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On March 24 2019 01:54 Need wrote: Lol that Lambo throw. Reynor to take 1st in the group? called it How was Reynor vs Serral?Serral's roaches >> Elazer's roaches | ||
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On March 25 2019 01:06 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: Nice comeback from Serral Amazing control, once more! | ||
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On March 25 2019 01:22 AlgeriaT wrote: Damn, was hoping for an equally epic long game 2 but I guess Raynor was out of stamina Not really a question of stamina when you die 5 minutes in is it? | ||
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So 2010 | ||
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On March 25 2019 00:49 sudete wrote: still get the feeling that serral will wreck face in the playoffs same | ||
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On March 25 2019 01:28 Xitah wrote: 2000 IQ loss by reynor. Now serral has to play one more series to get to the final! Mind blown | ||
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Just like how Dark went for second in his group to play Bunny instead of Maru in the quarterfinal | ||
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On March 25 2019 01:24 Elentos wrote: Not really a question of stamina when you die 5 minutes in is it? Because worn out after the long previous game? | ||
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On March 25 2019 01:45 AlgeriaT wrote: Because worn out after the long previous game? Heromarine went for a push and Reynor didn't have what he needed to defend. Those 2 games could have gone exactly the same way if the map order was swapped. But maybe Reynor should have saved some energy in the first game instead of doing a Fantasy GG timing. | ||
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On March 25 2019 01:54 Nakajin wrote: I had forgotten how it fell to not have a no1 clear favorite comming into a tournament, this is weird. You didn't watch WESG :[ ? | ||
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Nah but I mean after Katowice, WESG, early elimination of Stats, soO and INno in GSL and the average results for Serral and Neeb this weekend I feels like we don't have a solid contender for best player in the world anymore (or even in any region), even the top like 4-5 isn't that clear. The last 3-4 tournament have been all over the place, it's been a while since we had unexpected (or at least non-consistent) results kind of feel like everything is up in the air. | ||
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On March 25 2019 02:45 Anc13nt wrote: Neeb has top 2-3 PvZ and pretty good PvT but his PvP seems so weak in comparison to the other 2 MUs. He won KeSpa Cup because of PvP, now it's by far his weakest matchup; I'm not sold on his PvT, as well. | ||
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Neeb > Scarlett > Time > Neeb | ||
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On March 25 2019 03:25 AzAlexZ wrote: If Scarlett beats Time 2-1 and Neeb beats Scarlett 2-1 then that would be funny Neeb > Scarlett > Time > Neeb That's actually very likely. | ||
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On March 25 2019 03:25 AzAlexZ wrote: If Scarlett beats Time 2-1 and Neeb beats Scarlett 2-1 then that would be funny Neeb > Scarlett > Time > Neeb yeah I think Neeb's pvz is by far his best matchup right now, should be a fun series | ||
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On March 25 2019 03:48 sneakyfox wrote: Pretty great day of starcraft tbh agreed Reynor played so well in EU, but of course ther 's no Neeb there to stop him also Neeb has not lost a PvZ series offline this year to people not named Dark, that is pretty impressive | ||
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On March 25 2019 03:43 starkiller123 wrote: yeah I think Neeb's pvz is by far his best matchup right now, should be a fun series But Neeb remains as vulnerable to cheesy shenanigans as ever. His loss to TIME is also a testament to that. | ||
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On March 25 2019 04:16 sudete wrote: nice win for neeb, but i don't think it will matter since scarlett's map score should be better as long as she beats cham? It's a pretty close race between TIME, Neeb and Scarlett now. I think TIME should be ahead by map score + head to head? | ||
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On March 25 2019 04:20 William paradise wrote: Scarlett won against time but lost to neeeb but i think has better map score Right, so Scarlett is now first, TIME 2nd and Neeb 3rd. But if she drops a map in the next series she can lose first place. | ||
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On March 25 2019 04:16 sudete wrote: nice win for neeb, but i don't think it will matter since scarlett's map score should be better as long as she beats cham? I could be wrong but I believe she has to 2-0 Cham, if it's 2-1 and Neeb 2-0s Puck then I believe it's 12-5 each and Neeb take's 1st... Er, maybe Neeb takes 2nd, and Scarlett 3rd, with Time taking 1st at 12-4. If Time drops a game against Astrea (I don't see it happening, but fun to think about), and Scarlett 2-1's Cham and Neeb 2-1's Puck, then I have no idea what happens, possibly some form of tie-breaker match since there's no way of resolving three players where they've each beat one and lost one and have same map score. | ||
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On March 25 2019 04:21 TheDougler wrote: I could be wrong but I believe she has to 2-0 Cham, if it's 2-1 and Neeb 2-0s Puck then I believe it's 14-5 each and Neeb take's 1st... Er, maybe Neeb takes 2nd, and Scarlett 3rd, with Time taking 1st at 14-4. If Time drops a game against Astrea (I don't see it happening, but fun to think about), and Scarlett 2-1's Cham and Neeb 2-1's Puck, then I have no idea what happens, possibly some form of tie-breaker match since there's no way of resolving three players where they've each beat one and lost one and have same map score. If all 3 drop a game Neeb has 1 extra map loss over the others and Scarlett has h2h over TIME so there is no tie. | ||
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On March 25 2019 04:22 Elentos wrote: If all 3 drop a game Neeb has 1 extra map loss over the others and Scarlett has h2h over TIME so there is no tie. Right, but I'm saying if Scarlett and Time drop a game, and Neeb doesn't. Then what would happen? Edit: Nevermind, map scores just updated on liquipedia. | ||
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On March 25 2019 04:22 Elentos wrote: If all 3 drop a game Neeb has 1 extra map loss over the others and Scarlett has h2h over TIME so there is no tie. so if all 3 drop on emap but still win Scarlett takes first | ||
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On March 25 2019 04:40 Soke wrote: Scarlett guarantees first place now. she win? | ||
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On March 25 2019 04:39 sneakyfox wrote: Ouch that map loss probably put TIME in 3rd place Time can only fall to third if he loses the series. | ||
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Yeah, very straightforward 2-0. | ||
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On March 25 2019 04:40 Soke wrote: Scarlett guaranteed first place now. 2-0ed Cham NIce so yea first place very nice for her but was wondering just waiting for one match while others might be alittle warmed up for the finals curious to see how that effects players. | ||
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On March 25 2019 04:41 Soke wrote: Time can only fall to third if he loses the series. Oh, right | ||
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Edit: unless Astrea keep this up but still | ||
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On March 25 2019 04:51 sudete wrote: this is all just an elaborate story to distract us from the inevitable reality that masa will 2 rax scarlett in g7 of the finals astrea is such a fun player to watch Masa will definitely not get past Neeb or Time, let alone Scarlett | ||
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On March 25 2019 04:56 AzAlexZ wrote: Masa will definitely not get past Neeb or Time, let alone Scarlett And if he does we all know he's not gonna wait until game 7 with the proxy raxes. 3-way battle for the NA crown between Neeb, TIME and Scarlett. I think I'd give a slight edge to Neeb in terms of winning it all. His loss to TIME was very cheesy and I'm not sure a repeat is likely to happen there. I also rate his PvZ as stronger than Scarlett's ZvP. I don't think it's too likely TIME loses before playing Neeb either. | ||
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On March 25 2019 05:00 Elentos wrote: And if he does we all know he's not gonna wait until game 7 with the proxy raxes. 3-way battle for the NA crown between Neeb, TIME and Scarlett. I think I'd give a slight edge to Neeb in terms of winning it all. His loss to TIME was very cheesy and I'm not sure a repeat is likely to happen there. I also rate his PvZ as stronger than Scarlett's ZvP. I don't think it's too likely TIME loses before playing Neeb either. how to you prepare if your Scarlett though i mean to you just a guess and just prepare one or two players or just study alittle of all of them | ||
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On March 25 2019 05:03 William paradise wrote: how to you prepare if your Scarlett though i mean to you just a guess and just prepare one or two players or just study alittle of all of them She should simply prepare for the ones she considers the most difficult. None of them have time to prepare for her anyway because they have to worry about getting there first. | ||
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On March 25 2019 05:06 Elentos wrote: She should simply prepare for the ones she considers the most difficult. None of them have time to prepare for her anyway because they have to worry about getting there first. Pretty much. She should prepare 80% for Neeb and 20% for TIME. I don't see any of the other players winning a bo7 against Scarlett, like not even close. The same goes for TIME and Neeb, though I can see Neeb going down in a Bo5 PvP on a VERY bad day. But yeah, for me Neeb is still the favourite to take it home. | ||
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On March 25 2019 08:23 MrFreeman wrote: I'm liking this, 2018 was a strange one off, constant repeats of the same winner, Starcraft has also been about varying results, one pro managing to find that something special before a tournament, or a preferred strategy being practiced against by too many opponents etc., you never know what to expect, I love this! Yeah 2018 was good year for viewership but I didn't personally like to see how only Maru and Serral were winning everything (I am biased because I wasn't really a fan of either tbf). | ||
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On March 25 2019 18:33 AusProbe wrote: Well it had to be condensed because of Katowice, WESG, and the next season of WCS starting very soon too. There would have been time to play some matches before and after Katowice I feel. But if that is too much, it could have been spread out over the last week at least. At the very least I don't think it's optimal for viewers to juggle 4 streams for 7 hours a day if they want all the action. | ||
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On March 25 2019 17:21 Elentos wrote: My only gripe with how it was done for WCS Winter unlike in SSL 2 years ago is how it was super condensed to 2 days. This could have been multiple weeks long to really bring back the old WCS feeling (yes, I miss the olden days of 2013-2015 where WCS functioned as a league). Instead of doing it in one weekend, doing it on 2 days a week for 3-4 weeks. This would also have given them the chance to reduce the ridiculous break between Ro16 and Ro8. We went from February to end of March with no games played and I think that was a bit unnecessary. Format is great, schedule is rough. Yes, exactly, I honestly didn't even know it would be all played within two days until I've seen it on the upcoming matches page, hell, even stretch it over workdays. | ||
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Full Playlist Each video is as spoiler free as I could make it, I hope you all enjoy! As it's round robin, and everyone plays against everyone regardless of victory/loss, this is in no particular order... Europe: Rail vs Showtime Serral vs Heromarine Lambo vs Showtime Showtime vs Heromarine Elazer vs PtitDrogo Lambo vs Rail Rail vs Reynor North America: Scarlett vs Astrea Astrea vs Cham Scarlett vs Time Neeb vs Cham Masa vs Astrea Masa vs Probe | ||
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On March 28 2019 05:58 BasetradeTV wrote: WCS Winter 2019 Ro8 English VOD's from BaseTradeTV Full Playlist Each video is as spoiler free as I could make it, I hope you all enjoy! As it's round robin, and everyone plays against everyone regardless of victory/loss, this is in no particular order... Europe: Rail vs Showtime Serral vs Heromarine Lambo vs Showtime Showtime vs Heromarine Elazer vs PtitDrogo Lambo vs Rail Rail vs Reynor North America: Scarlett vs Astrea Astrea vs Cham Scarlett vs Time Neeb vs Cham Masa vs Astrea Masa vs Probe good looks | ||
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