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WESG 2018 Grand Final - 3rd Place and Finals - Page 23

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pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
March 17 2019 08:19 GMT
#441
On March 17 2019 17:15 StasisField wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2019 17:14 pvsnp wrote:
On March 17 2019 17:11 mierin wrote:
On March 17 2019 17:09 pvsnp wrote:
Wait so they're playing the finals right now? Not waiting for 2 hours?

Wtf is with these schedules


Oh FFS are you serious, an hour ago I found out I stayed up for no reason because finals were scheduled 4h after the 3rd/4th place match. Trying to find the bright side in this mistake, I was excited to be able to watch mini/last. Now the finals are being pushed forward? My heart, lol.


I have no idea, the schedule said finals in a couple hours but the casters just said they'd be right back and right now the stream says Serral vs Inno coming up

Liquipedia now says the finals start in 5 minutes so there's that


Chinese stream is showing a 5 minute countdown for Fnatic vs G2 (CSGO)
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StasisField
Profile Joined August 2013
United States1086 Posts
March 17 2019 08:20 GMT
#442
On March 17 2019 17:19 pvsnp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2019 17:15 StasisField wrote:
On March 17 2019 17:14 pvsnp wrote:
On March 17 2019 17:11 mierin wrote:
On March 17 2019 17:09 pvsnp wrote:
Wait so they're playing the finals right now? Not waiting for 2 hours?

Wtf is with these schedules


Oh FFS are you serious, an hour ago I found out I stayed up for no reason because finals were scheduled 4h after the 3rd/4th place match. Trying to find the bright side in this mistake, I was excited to be able to watch mini/last. Now the finals are being pushed forward? My heart, lol.


I have no idea, the schedule said finals in a couple hours but the casters just said they'd be right back and right now the stream says Serral vs Inno coming up

Liquipedia now says the finals start in 5 minutes so there's that


Chinese stream is showing a 5 minute countdown for Fnatic vs G2 (CSGO)


Wtf is going on.. having a clear schedule for your event shouldn't be this hard
What do you mean Immortals can't shoot up?
StabiloBoss20
Profile Joined July 2015
313 Posts
March 17 2019 08:20 GMT
#443
it will prob start with 19min into the first map.
Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
March 17 2019 08:20 GMT
#444
On March 17 2019 17:19 pvsnp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2019 17:15 StasisField wrote:
On March 17 2019 17:14 pvsnp wrote:
On March 17 2019 17:11 mierin wrote:
On March 17 2019 17:09 pvsnp wrote:
Wait so they're playing the finals right now? Not waiting for 2 hours?

Wtf is with these schedules


Oh FFS are you serious, an hour ago I found out I stayed up for no reason because finals were scheduled 4h after the 3rd/4th place match. Trying to find the bright side in this mistake, I was excited to be able to watch mini/last. Now the finals are being pushed forward? My heart, lol.


I have no idea, the schedule said finals in a couple hours but the casters just said they'd be right back and right now the stream says Serral vs Inno coming up

Liquipedia now says the finals start in 5 minutes so there's that


Chinese stream is showing a 5 minute countdown for Fnatic vs G2 (CSGO)


Rotti says they are waiting for hearthstone
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
March 17 2019 08:23 GMT
#445
Gotta say, sc2 is doing very well for WESG again. The HS grand final has 1700 viewers right now.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
MockHamill
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden1798 Posts
March 17 2019 08:25 GMT
#446
So does the final start in 1 hour and 35 minutes as scheduled or in the next 5 minutes?
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
March 17 2019 08:26 GMT
#447
On March 17 2019 17:25 MockHamill wrote:
So does the final start in 1 hour and 35 minutes as scheduled or in the next 5 minutes?

After Hearthstone.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
jy_9876543210
Profile Joined March 2016
265 Posts
March 17 2019 08:29 GMT
#448
On March 17 2019 17:26 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2019 17:25 MockHamill wrote:
So does the final start in 1 hour and 35 minutes as scheduled or in the next 5 minutes?

After Hearthstone.

OK. Time to watch some SC BW then...
Phase 1: F2    Phase 2: A   Phase 3: Profit!
mierin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4943 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-17 08:31:25
March 17 2019 08:30 GMT
#449
Everyone--if you like starcraft tune in to the ASL finals at the AfreecaTV Live youtube channel. It's going to be amazing (hopefully). Plus tastosis. At least until the main finals happens
JD, Stork, Calm, Hyuk Fighting!
SuperFanBoy
Profile Joined June 2011
New Zealand1068 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-17 08:33:11
March 17 2019 08:32 GMT
#450
Is WESG some sort money laundering business? Huge prize pools with hardly any viewers in comparison to other tournaments. Just doesn't seem like a business model that would work.
ilikeredheads
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1995 Posts
March 17 2019 08:33 GMT
#451
On March 17 2019 17:32 SuperFanBoy wrote:
Is WESG some sort money laundering business? Huge prize pools with hardly any viewers in comparison to other tournaments. Just doesn't seem like a business model that would work.

It's an event mostly for the Chinese audience
Liquid`Snute
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Norway839 Posts
March 17 2019 08:35 GMT
#452
On March 17 2019 16:24 Noa Greenini wrote:
I just read the WESG rules and it is clear that Scarlett would be the winner if Maru floated buildings into the corner (if the score difference actually was 20%):

Draw scenarios:

A draw occurs when both players cannot eliminate each other.
i. If the game time has not reached 20 minutes, a rematch of the map will be held.
ii. If the game time is past 20 minutes, the verdict will be decided using the in-game score, and the player whose score is 20% higher than the opponent will be declared victor, provided if:
1. There are no more resources remaining on the map.
2. Both players do not have the army count to finish each other.

ii. If player scores are less than 20% apart, a draw will be called and a rematch will be held.

The 20% rule is such a joker here, if they use a custom rule (to save schedule time) why leave that 0-20% gap that potentially will void the rule's most probable purpose? Kinda spooky to see tournaments using custom rules as fleeting and honestly poorly designed as this one x)

Also that there are no clearly defined map definitions on airspace rules per map(pool) in 2019 is kinda silly. Every main base has a ramp but whether a map has float-able airspace immune to queens/stalkers/etc is just random. Nobody cares because draws happen so infrequently but almost every time they do it's a mess. Not saying every map has to be the same but SC2 still has a long way to go in terms of competitive definitions overall and trying to not just wing it every single time x)
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seemsgood
Profile Joined January 2016
5527 Posts
March 17 2019 08:36 GMT
#453
On March 17 2019 17:32 SuperFanBoy wrote:
Is WESG some sort money laundering business? Huge prize pools with hardly any viewers in comparison to other tournaments. Just doesn't seem like a business model that would work.

the man behinds this is Jacky Ma tho
this tournament is just poorly executed nothing else imo
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
March 17 2019 08:37 GMT
#454
On March 17 2019 17:32 SuperFanBoy wrote:
Is WESG some sort money laundering business? Huge prize pools with hardly any viewers in comparison to other tournaments. Just doesn't seem like a business model that would work.

It's Alibaba money, not money laundering. They just focus on the chinese audience and market and don't really care about the english viewership I think.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-17 08:41:54
March 17 2019 08:40 GMT
#455
On March 17 2019 17:35 Liquid`Snute wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2019 16:24 Noa Greenini wrote:
I just read the WESG rules and it is clear that Scarlett would be the winner if Maru floated buildings into the corner (if the score difference actually was 20%):

Draw scenarios:

A draw occurs when both players cannot eliminate each other.
i. If the game time has not reached 20 minutes, a rematch of the map will be held.
ii. If the game time is past 20 minutes, the verdict will be decided using the in-game score, and the player whose score is 20% higher than the opponent will be declared victor, provided if:
1. There are no more resources remaining on the map.
2. Both players do not have the army count to finish each other.

ii. If player scores are less than 20% apart, a draw will be called and a rematch will be held.

The 20% rule is such a joker here, if they use a custom rule (to save schedule time) why leave that 0-20% gap that potentially will void the rule's most probable purpose? Kinda spooky to see tournaments using custom rules as fleeting and honestly poorly designed as this one x)

Also that there are no clearly defined map definitions on airspace rules per map(pool) in 2019 is kinda silly. Every main base has a ramp but whether a map has float-able airspace immune to queens/stalkers/etc is just random. Nobody cares because draws happen so infrequently but almost every time they do it's a mess. Not saying every map has to be the same but SC2 still has a long way to go in terms of competitive definitions overall and trying to not just wing it every single time x)


Basically every map has float-able airspace out of queen range since maps are rarely perfectly square. Of the current pool, maybe Kairos doesn't (not sure), but all the others do. Also I don't see any value in standardizing that particular aspect of maps.
mierin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4943 Posts
March 17 2019 08:43 GMT
#456
No matter what, any "rules" imposed over the win conditions hard coded in the game are BS.
JD, Stork, Calm, Hyuk Fighting!
UnLarva
Profile Joined March 2019
458 Posts
March 17 2019 08:46 GMT
#457
On March 17 2019 17:35 Liquid`Snute wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2019 16:24 Noa Greenini wrote:
I just read the WESG rules and it is clear that Scarlett would be the winner if Maru floated buildings into the corner (if the score difference actually was 20%):

Draw scenarios:

A draw occurs when both players cannot eliminate each other.
i. If the game time has not reached 20 minutes, a rematch of the map will be held.
ii. If the game time is past 20 minutes, the verdict will be decided using the in-game score, and the player whose score is 20% higher than the opponent will be declared victor, provided if:
1. There are no more resources remaining on the map.
2. Both players do not have the army count to finish each other.

ii. If player scores are less than 20% apart, a draw will be called and a rematch will be held.

The 20% rule is such a joker here, if they use a custom rule (to save schedule time) why leave that 0-20% gap that potentially will void the rule's most probable purpose? Kinda spooky to see tournaments using custom rules as fleeting and honestly poorly designed as this one x)

Also that there are no clearly defined map definitions on airspace rules per map(pool) in 2019 is kinda silly. Every main base has a ramp but whether a map has float-able airspace immune to queens/stalkers/etc is just random. Nobody cares because draws happen so infrequently but almost every time they do it's a mess. Not saying every map has to be the same but SC2 still has a long way to go in terms of competitive definitions overall and trying to not just wing it every single time x)


Yes. Not fully thought rule.

Why don't just count ½ points to both players when draw situation occurs and extend the match as long as necessary? For example Bo3 series in 1½-1½ in situation would become automatically Bo4 (or even more maps if rare draw occurs), fourth map functioning as tie breaker. No unnecessary rematches needed.

That 20% rule can potentially water down whole idea of the rule.
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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
March 17 2019 08:47 GMT
#458
On March 17 2019 17:43 mierin wrote:
No matter what, any "rules" imposed over the win conditions hard coded in the game are BS.


Not sure what impact that rule would have had if it had been a tie. For all we know Maru was ahead in points, so there still wasn't any reason to leave the game.
mierin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4943 Posts
March 17 2019 08:49 GMT
#459
On March 17 2019 17:47 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2019 17:43 mierin wrote:
No matter what, any "rules" imposed over the win conditions hard coded in the game are BS.


Not sure what impact that rule would have had if it had been a tie. For all we know Maru was ahead in points, so there still wasn't any reason to leave the game.


Right, but why have that rule in the first place? The way computers value "points" isn't how humans would do it. I agree 100% Maru should not have conceded though, not sure if I made that clear previously
JD, Stork, Calm, Hyuk Fighting!
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-17 08:54:31
March 17 2019 08:51 GMT
#460
Given what happened with the pause and referees, I can only assume that Maru asked about floating buildings and was told the rules. Or something like that.
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