On March 17 2019 17:15 StasisField wrote:
Liquipedia now says the finals start in 5 minutes so there's that
Liquipedia now says the finals start in 5 minutes so there's that
Chinese stream is showing a 5 minute countdown for Fnatic vs G2 (CSGO)
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On March 17 2019 17:15 StasisField wrote: Show nested quote + On March 17 2019 17:14 pvsnp wrote: On March 17 2019 17:11 mierin wrote: On March 17 2019 17:09 pvsnp wrote: Wait so they're playing the finals right now? Not waiting for 2 hours? Wtf is with these schedules Oh FFS are you serious, an hour ago I found out I stayed up for no reason because finals were scheduled 4h after the 3rd/4th place match. Trying to find the bright side in this mistake, I was excited to be able to watch mini/last. Now the finals are being pushed forward? My heart, lol. I have no idea, the schedule said finals in a couple hours but the casters just said they'd be right back and right now the stream says Serral vs Inno coming up Liquipedia now says the finals start in 5 minutes so there's that Chinese stream is showing a 5 minute countdown for Fnatic vs G2 (CSGO) | ||
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StasisField
United States1086 Posts
On March 17 2019 17:19 pvsnp wrote: Show nested quote + On March 17 2019 17:15 StasisField wrote: On March 17 2019 17:14 pvsnp wrote: On March 17 2019 17:11 mierin wrote: On March 17 2019 17:09 pvsnp wrote: Wait so they're playing the finals right now? Not waiting for 2 hours? Wtf is with these schedules Oh FFS are you serious, an hour ago I found out I stayed up for no reason because finals were scheduled 4h after the 3rd/4th place match. Trying to find the bright side in this mistake, I was excited to be able to watch mini/last. Now the finals are being pushed forward? My heart, lol. I have no idea, the schedule said finals in a couple hours but the casters just said they'd be right back and right now the stream says Serral vs Inno coming up Liquipedia now says the finals start in 5 minutes so there's that Chinese stream is showing a 5 minute countdown for Fnatic vs G2 (CSGO) Wtf is going on.. having a clear schedule for your event shouldn't be this hard | ||
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StabiloBoss20
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
On March 17 2019 17:19 pvsnp wrote: Show nested quote + On March 17 2019 17:15 StasisField wrote: On March 17 2019 17:14 pvsnp wrote: On March 17 2019 17:11 mierin wrote: On March 17 2019 17:09 pvsnp wrote: Wait so they're playing the finals right now? Not waiting for 2 hours? Wtf is with these schedules Oh FFS are you serious, an hour ago I found out I stayed up for no reason because finals were scheduled 4h after the 3rd/4th place match. Trying to find the bright side in this mistake, I was excited to be able to watch mini/last. Now the finals are being pushed forward? My heart, lol. I have no idea, the schedule said finals in a couple hours but the casters just said they'd be right back and right now the stream says Serral vs Inno coming up Liquipedia now says the finals start in 5 minutes so there's that Chinese stream is showing a 5 minute countdown for Fnatic vs G2 (CSGO) Rotti says they are waiting for hearthstone | ||
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
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MockHamill
Sweden1798 Posts
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
On March 17 2019 17:25 MockHamill wrote: So does the final start in 1 hour and 35 minutes as scheduled or in the next 5 minutes? After Hearthstone. | ||
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jy_9876543210
265 Posts
On March 17 2019 17:26 Musicus wrote: Show nested quote + On March 17 2019 17:25 MockHamill wrote: So does the final start in 1 hour and 35 minutes as scheduled or in the next 5 minutes? After Hearthstone. OK. Time to watch some SC BW then... | ||
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
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SuperFanBoy
New Zealand1068 Posts
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ilikeredheads
Canada1995 Posts
On March 17 2019 17:32 SuperFanBoy wrote: Is WESG some sort money laundering business? Huge prize pools with hardly any viewers in comparison to other tournaments. Just doesn't seem like a business model that would work. It's an event mostly for the Chinese audience | ||
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Liquid`Snute
Norway839 Posts
On March 17 2019 16:24 Noa Greenini wrote: I just read the WESG rules and it is clear that Scarlett would be the winner if Maru floated buildings into the corner (if the score difference actually was 20%): Draw scenarios: A draw occurs when both players cannot eliminate each other. i. If the game time has not reached 20 minutes, a rematch of the map will be held. ii. If the game time is past 20 minutes, the verdict will be decided using the in-game score, and the player whose score is 20% higher than the opponent will be declared victor, provided if: 1. There are no more resources remaining on the map. 2. Both players do not have the army count to finish each other. ii. If player scores are less than 20% apart, a draw will be called and a rematch will be held. The 20% rule is such a joker here, if they use a custom rule (to save schedule time) why leave that 0-20% gap that potentially will void the rule's most probable purpose? Kinda spooky to see tournaments using custom rules as fleeting and honestly poorly designed as this one x) Also that there are no clearly defined map definitions on airspace rules per map(pool) in 2019 is kinda silly. Every main base has a ramp but whether a map has float-able airspace immune to queens/stalkers/etc is just random. Nobody cares because draws happen so infrequently but almost every time they do it's a mess. Not saying every map has to be the same but SC2 still has a long way to go in terms of competitive definitions overall and trying to not just wing it every single time x) | ||
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seemsgood
5527 Posts
On March 17 2019 17:32 SuperFanBoy wrote: Is WESG some sort money laundering business? Huge prize pools with hardly any viewers in comparison to other tournaments. Just doesn't seem like a business model that would work. the man behinds this is Jacky Ma tho this tournament is just poorly executed nothing else imo | ||
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
On March 17 2019 17:32 SuperFanBoy wrote: Is WESG some sort money laundering business? Huge prize pools with hardly any viewers in comparison to other tournaments. Just doesn't seem like a business model that would work. It's Alibaba money, not money laundering. They just focus on the chinese audience and market and don't really care about the english viewership I think. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On March 17 2019 17:35 Liquid`Snute wrote: Show nested quote + On March 17 2019 16:24 Noa Greenini wrote: I just read the WESG rules and it is clear that Scarlett would be the winner if Maru floated buildings into the corner (if the score difference actually was 20%): Draw scenarios: A draw occurs when both players cannot eliminate each other. i. If the game time has not reached 20 minutes, a rematch of the map will be held. ii. If the game time is past 20 minutes, the verdict will be decided using the in-game score, and the player whose score is 20% higher than the opponent will be declared victor, provided if: 1. There are no more resources remaining on the map. 2. Both players do not have the army count to finish each other. ii. If player scores are less than 20% apart, a draw will be called and a rematch will be held. The 20% rule is such a joker here, if they use a custom rule (to save schedule time) why leave that 0-20% gap that potentially will void the rule's most probable purpose? Kinda spooky to see tournaments using custom rules as fleeting and honestly poorly designed as this one x) Also that there are no clearly defined map definitions on airspace rules per map(pool) in 2019 is kinda silly. Every main base has a ramp but whether a map has float-able airspace immune to queens/stalkers/etc is just random. Nobody cares because draws happen so infrequently but almost every time they do it's a mess. Not saying every map has to be the same but SC2 still has a long way to go in terms of competitive definitions overall and trying to not just wing it every single time x) Basically every map has float-able airspace out of queen range since maps are rarely perfectly square. Of the current pool, maybe Kairos doesn't (not sure), but all the others do. Also I don't see any value in standardizing that particular aspect of maps. | ||
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
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UnLarva
458 Posts
On March 17 2019 17:35 Liquid`Snute wrote: Show nested quote + On March 17 2019 16:24 Noa Greenini wrote: I just read the WESG rules and it is clear that Scarlett would be the winner if Maru floated buildings into the corner (if the score difference actually was 20%): Draw scenarios: A draw occurs when both players cannot eliminate each other. i. If the game time has not reached 20 minutes, a rematch of the map will be held. ii. If the game time is past 20 minutes, the verdict will be decided using the in-game score, and the player whose score is 20% higher than the opponent will be declared victor, provided if: 1. There are no more resources remaining on the map. 2. Both players do not have the army count to finish each other. ii. If player scores are less than 20% apart, a draw will be called and a rematch will be held. The 20% rule is such a joker here, if they use a custom rule (to save schedule time) why leave that 0-20% gap that potentially will void the rule's most probable purpose? Kinda spooky to see tournaments using custom rules as fleeting and honestly poorly designed as this one x) Also that there are no clearly defined map definitions on airspace rules per map(pool) in 2019 is kinda silly. Every main base has a ramp but whether a map has float-able airspace immune to queens/stalkers/etc is just random. Nobody cares because draws happen so infrequently but almost every time they do it's a mess. Not saying every map has to be the same but SC2 still has a long way to go in terms of competitive definitions overall and trying to not just wing it every single time x) Yes. Not fully thought rule. Why don't just count ½ points to both players when draw situation occurs and extend the match as long as necessary? For example Bo3 series in 1½-1½ in situation would become automatically Bo4 (or even more maps if rare draw occurs), fourth map functioning as tie breaker. No unnecessary rematches needed. That 20% rule can potentially water down whole idea of the rule. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On March 17 2019 17:43 mierin wrote: No matter what, any "rules" imposed over the win conditions hard coded in the game are BS. Not sure what impact that rule would have had if it had been a tie. For all we know Maru was ahead in points, so there still wasn't any reason to leave the game. | ||
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
On March 17 2019 17:47 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Show nested quote + On March 17 2019 17:43 mierin wrote: No matter what, any "rules" imposed over the win conditions hard coded in the game are BS. Not sure what impact that rule would have had if it had been a tie. For all we know Maru was ahead in points, so there still wasn't any reason to leave the game. Right, but why have that rule in the first place? The way computers value "points" isn't how humans would do it. I agree 100% Maru should not have conceded though, not sure if I made that clear previously | ||
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pvsnp
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