• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 15:37
CEST 21:37
KST 04:37
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists14[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Fresh Flow9[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt2: News Flash10[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy21
Community News
2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers11Maestros of the Game 2 announced32026 GSL Tour plans announced11Weekly Cups (April 6-12): herO doubles, "Villains" prevail1MaNa leaves Team Liquid21
StarCraft 2
General
MaNa leaves Team Liquid 2026 GSL Tour plans announced Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists Weekly Cups (April 6-12): herO doubles, "Villains" prevail Oliveira Would Have Returned If EWC Continued
Tourneys
GSL CK: More events planned pending crowdfunding 2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) SEL Doubles (SC Evo Bimonthly)
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 521 Memorable Boss The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 520 Moving Fees Mutation # 519 Inner Power
Brood War
General
ASL21 General Discussion Pros React To: Tulbo in Ro.16 Group A BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Data needed RepMastered™: replay sharing and analyzer site
Tourneys
Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Ro16 Group A [ASL21] Ro16 Group B
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Any training maps people recommend? Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Starcraft Tabletop Miniature Game
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread YouTube Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Formula 1 Discussion Cricket [SPORT]
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
[G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Reappraising The Situation T…
TrAiDoS
lurker extra damage testi…
StaticNine
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2440 users

WESG 2018 Grand Final - 3rd Place and Finals - Page 23

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 21 22 23 24 25 62 Next
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
March 17 2019 08:19 GMT
#441
On March 17 2019 17:15 StasisField wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2019 17:14 pvsnp wrote:
On March 17 2019 17:11 mierin wrote:
On March 17 2019 17:09 pvsnp wrote:
Wait so they're playing the finals right now? Not waiting for 2 hours?

Wtf is with these schedules


Oh FFS are you serious, an hour ago I found out I stayed up for no reason because finals were scheduled 4h after the 3rd/4th place match. Trying to find the bright side in this mistake, I was excited to be able to watch mini/last. Now the finals are being pushed forward? My heart, lol.


I have no idea, the schedule said finals in a couple hours but the casters just said they'd be right back and right now the stream says Serral vs Inno coming up

Liquipedia now says the finals start in 5 minutes so there's that


Chinese stream is showing a 5 minute countdown for Fnatic vs G2 (CSGO)
Denominator of the Universe
TL+ Member
StasisField
Profile Joined August 2013
United States1086 Posts
March 17 2019 08:20 GMT
#442
On March 17 2019 17:19 pvsnp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2019 17:15 StasisField wrote:
On March 17 2019 17:14 pvsnp wrote:
On March 17 2019 17:11 mierin wrote:
On March 17 2019 17:09 pvsnp wrote:
Wait so they're playing the finals right now? Not waiting for 2 hours?

Wtf is with these schedules


Oh FFS are you serious, an hour ago I found out I stayed up for no reason because finals were scheduled 4h after the 3rd/4th place match. Trying to find the bright side in this mistake, I was excited to be able to watch mini/last. Now the finals are being pushed forward? My heart, lol.


I have no idea, the schedule said finals in a couple hours but the casters just said they'd be right back and right now the stream says Serral vs Inno coming up

Liquipedia now says the finals start in 5 minutes so there's that


Chinese stream is showing a 5 minute countdown for Fnatic vs G2 (CSGO)


Wtf is going on.. having a clear schedule for your event shouldn't be this hard
What do you mean Immortals can't shoot up?
StabiloBoss20
Profile Joined July 2015
313 Posts
March 17 2019 08:20 GMT
#443
it will prob start with 19min into the first map.
Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
March 17 2019 08:20 GMT
#444
On March 17 2019 17:19 pvsnp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2019 17:15 StasisField wrote:
On March 17 2019 17:14 pvsnp wrote:
On March 17 2019 17:11 mierin wrote:
On March 17 2019 17:09 pvsnp wrote:
Wait so they're playing the finals right now? Not waiting for 2 hours?

Wtf is with these schedules


Oh FFS are you serious, an hour ago I found out I stayed up for no reason because finals were scheduled 4h after the 3rd/4th place match. Trying to find the bright side in this mistake, I was excited to be able to watch mini/last. Now the finals are being pushed forward? My heart, lol.


I have no idea, the schedule said finals in a couple hours but the casters just said they'd be right back and right now the stream says Serral vs Inno coming up

Liquipedia now says the finals start in 5 minutes so there's that


Chinese stream is showing a 5 minute countdown for Fnatic vs G2 (CSGO)


Rotti says they are waiting for hearthstone
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
March 17 2019 08:23 GMT
#445
Gotta say, sc2 is doing very well for WESG again. The HS grand final has 1700 viewers right now.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
MockHamill
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden1798 Posts
March 17 2019 08:25 GMT
#446
So does the final start in 1 hour and 35 minutes as scheduled or in the next 5 minutes?
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
March 17 2019 08:26 GMT
#447
On March 17 2019 17:25 MockHamill wrote:
So does the final start in 1 hour and 35 minutes as scheduled or in the next 5 minutes?

After Hearthstone.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
jy_9876543210
Profile Joined March 2016
265 Posts
March 17 2019 08:29 GMT
#448
On March 17 2019 17:26 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2019 17:25 MockHamill wrote:
So does the final start in 1 hour and 35 minutes as scheduled or in the next 5 minutes?

After Hearthstone.

OK. Time to watch some SC BW then...
Phase 1: F2    Phase 2: A   Phase 3: Profit!
mierin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4943 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-17 08:31:25
March 17 2019 08:30 GMT
#449
Everyone--if you like starcraft tune in to the ASL finals at the AfreecaTV Live youtube channel. It's going to be amazing (hopefully). Plus tastosis. At least until the main finals happens
JD, Stork, Calm, Hyuk Fighting!
SuperFanBoy
Profile Joined June 2011
New Zealand1068 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-17 08:33:11
March 17 2019 08:32 GMT
#450
Is WESG some sort money laundering business? Huge prize pools with hardly any viewers in comparison to other tournaments. Just doesn't seem like a business model that would work.
ilikeredheads
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1995 Posts
March 17 2019 08:33 GMT
#451
On March 17 2019 17:32 SuperFanBoy wrote:
Is WESG some sort money laundering business? Huge prize pools with hardly any viewers in comparison to other tournaments. Just doesn't seem like a business model that would work.

It's an event mostly for the Chinese audience
Liquid`Snute
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Norway839 Posts
March 17 2019 08:35 GMT
#452
On March 17 2019 16:24 Noa Greenini wrote:
I just read the WESG rules and it is clear that Scarlett would be the winner if Maru floated buildings into the corner (if the score difference actually was 20%):

Draw scenarios:

A draw occurs when both players cannot eliminate each other.
i. If the game time has not reached 20 minutes, a rematch of the map will be held.
ii. If the game time is past 20 minutes, the verdict will be decided using the in-game score, and the player whose score is 20% higher than the opponent will be declared victor, provided if:
1. There are no more resources remaining on the map.
2. Both players do not have the army count to finish each other.

ii. If player scores are less than 20% apart, a draw will be called and a rematch will be held.

The 20% rule is such a joker here, if they use a custom rule (to save schedule time) why leave that 0-20% gap that potentially will void the rule's most probable purpose? Kinda spooky to see tournaments using custom rules as fleeting and honestly poorly designed as this one x)

Also that there are no clearly defined map definitions on airspace rules per map(pool) in 2019 is kinda silly. Every main base has a ramp but whether a map has float-able airspace immune to queens/stalkers/etc is just random. Nobody cares because draws happen so infrequently but almost every time they do it's a mess. Not saying every map has to be the same but SC2 still has a long way to go in terms of competitive definitions overall and trying to not just wing it every single time x)
Team Liquid
seemsgood
Profile Joined January 2016
5527 Posts
March 17 2019 08:36 GMT
#453
On March 17 2019 17:32 SuperFanBoy wrote:
Is WESG some sort money laundering business? Huge prize pools with hardly any viewers in comparison to other tournaments. Just doesn't seem like a business model that would work.

the man behinds this is Jacky Ma tho
this tournament is just poorly executed nothing else imo
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
March 17 2019 08:37 GMT
#454
On March 17 2019 17:32 SuperFanBoy wrote:
Is WESG some sort money laundering business? Huge prize pools with hardly any viewers in comparison to other tournaments. Just doesn't seem like a business model that would work.

It's Alibaba money, not money laundering. They just focus on the chinese audience and market and don't really care about the english viewership I think.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-17 08:41:54
March 17 2019 08:40 GMT
#455
On March 17 2019 17:35 Liquid`Snute wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2019 16:24 Noa Greenini wrote:
I just read the WESG rules and it is clear that Scarlett would be the winner if Maru floated buildings into the corner (if the score difference actually was 20%):

Draw scenarios:

A draw occurs when both players cannot eliminate each other.
i. If the game time has not reached 20 minutes, a rematch of the map will be held.
ii. If the game time is past 20 minutes, the verdict will be decided using the in-game score, and the player whose score is 20% higher than the opponent will be declared victor, provided if:
1. There are no more resources remaining on the map.
2. Both players do not have the army count to finish each other.

ii. If player scores are less than 20% apart, a draw will be called and a rematch will be held.

The 20% rule is such a joker here, if they use a custom rule (to save schedule time) why leave that 0-20% gap that potentially will void the rule's most probable purpose? Kinda spooky to see tournaments using custom rules as fleeting and honestly poorly designed as this one x)

Also that there are no clearly defined map definitions on airspace rules per map(pool) in 2019 is kinda silly. Every main base has a ramp but whether a map has float-able airspace immune to queens/stalkers/etc is just random. Nobody cares because draws happen so infrequently but almost every time they do it's a mess. Not saying every map has to be the same but SC2 still has a long way to go in terms of competitive definitions overall and trying to not just wing it every single time x)


Basically every map has float-able airspace out of queen range since maps are rarely perfectly square. Of the current pool, maybe Kairos doesn't (not sure), but all the others do. Also I don't see any value in standardizing that particular aspect of maps.
mierin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4943 Posts
March 17 2019 08:43 GMT
#456
No matter what, any "rules" imposed over the win conditions hard coded in the game are BS.
JD, Stork, Calm, Hyuk Fighting!
UnLarva
Profile Joined March 2019
458 Posts
March 17 2019 08:46 GMT
#457
On March 17 2019 17:35 Liquid`Snute wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2019 16:24 Noa Greenini wrote:
I just read the WESG rules and it is clear that Scarlett would be the winner if Maru floated buildings into the corner (if the score difference actually was 20%):

Draw scenarios:

A draw occurs when both players cannot eliminate each other.
i. If the game time has not reached 20 minutes, a rematch of the map will be held.
ii. If the game time is past 20 minutes, the verdict will be decided using the in-game score, and the player whose score is 20% higher than the opponent will be declared victor, provided if:
1. There are no more resources remaining on the map.
2. Both players do not have the army count to finish each other.

ii. If player scores are less than 20% apart, a draw will be called and a rematch will be held.

The 20% rule is such a joker here, if they use a custom rule (to save schedule time) why leave that 0-20% gap that potentially will void the rule's most probable purpose? Kinda spooky to see tournaments using custom rules as fleeting and honestly poorly designed as this one x)

Also that there are no clearly defined map definitions on airspace rules per map(pool) in 2019 is kinda silly. Every main base has a ramp but whether a map has float-able airspace immune to queens/stalkers/etc is just random. Nobody cares because draws happen so infrequently but almost every time they do it's a mess. Not saying every map has to be the same but SC2 still has a long way to go in terms of competitive definitions overall and trying to not just wing it every single time x)


Yes. Not fully thought rule.

Why don't just count ½ points to both players when draw situation occurs and extend the match as long as necessary? For example Bo3 series in 1½-1½ in situation would become automatically Bo4 (or even more maps if rare draw occurs), fourth map functioning as tie breaker. No unnecessary rematches needed.

That 20% rule can potentially water down whole idea of the rule.
Part-time Serralogist
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
March 17 2019 08:47 GMT
#458
On March 17 2019 17:43 mierin wrote:
No matter what, any "rules" imposed over the win conditions hard coded in the game are BS.


Not sure what impact that rule would have had if it had been a tie. For all we know Maru was ahead in points, so there still wasn't any reason to leave the game.
mierin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4943 Posts
March 17 2019 08:49 GMT
#459
On March 17 2019 17:47 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2019 17:43 mierin wrote:
No matter what, any "rules" imposed over the win conditions hard coded in the game are BS.


Not sure what impact that rule would have had if it had been a tie. For all we know Maru was ahead in points, so there still wasn't any reason to leave the game.


Right, but why have that rule in the first place? The way computers value "points" isn't how humans would do it. I agree 100% Maru should not have conceded though, not sure if I made that clear previously
JD, Stork, Calm, Hyuk Fighting!
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-17 08:54:31
March 17 2019 08:51 GMT
#460
Given what happened with the pause and referees, I can only assume that Maru asked about floating buildings and was told the rules. Or something like that.
Denominator of the Universe
TL+ Member
Prev 1 21 22 23 24 25 62 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
BSL
19:00
RO32 Group C
UltrA vs KwarK
Gosudark vs cavapoo
dxtr13 vs HBO
Doodle vs Razz
ZZZero.O149
LiquipediaDiscussion
IPSL
16:00
Ro24 Group C
WolFix vs nOmaD
dxtr13 vs Razz
Airneanach59
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
SteadfastSC 244
IndyStarCraft 177
BRAT_OK 61
PattyMac 22
elazer 11
ROOTCatZ 0
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 15303
firebathero 185
ZZZero.O 149
Dewaltoss 124
Counter-Strike
fl0m8073
olofmeister2938
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King68
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor311
MindelVK13
Other Games
summit1g7329
Grubby3387
FrodaN1212
Beastyqt790
Mlord669
shahzam334
KnowMe155
Hui .127
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Secondary Stream2874
Other Games
gamesdonequick812
BasetradeTV340
StarCraft 2
angryscii 13
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 21 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• printf 100
• StrangeGG 70
• Hupsaiya 26
• Adnapsc2 18
• Response 5
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• sooper7s
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• RayReign 19
• FirePhoenix8
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV507
League of Legends
• TFBlade1486
Other Games
• imaqtpie1030
• Shiphtur176
Upcoming Events
Patches Events
2h 23m
CranKy Ducklings
4h 23m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
14h 23m
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
15h 23m
Ladder Legends
19h 23m
IPSL
20h 23m
JDConan vs TBD
Aegong vs rasowy
BSL
23h 23m
StRyKeR vs rasowy
Artosis vs Aether
JDConan vs OyAji
Hawk vs izu
Replay Cast
1d 13h
Wardi Open
1d 14h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 14h
Bisu vs Ample
Jaedong vs Flash
[ Show More ]
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 20h
RSL Revival
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Barracks vs Leta
Royal vs Light
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
2 days
RSL Revival
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
The PondCast
4 days
KCM Race Survival
4 days
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Escore
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
6 days
Ladder Legends
6 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
6 days
BSL
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S2: W3
RSL Revival: Season 4
NationLESS Cup

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: W4
Acropolis #4
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
2026 GSL S2
RSL Revival: Season 5
2026 GSL S1
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.