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Lhewoo
Profile Joined November 2014
7 Posts
March 02 2019 16:40 GMT
#981
What i don't understand is why do players stick to the race so damn hard. I mean it's their living bread. If they feel they are at a disadvantage they should switch. Why doesn't Inno switch to Z or P. Why this hanging on when it's obvious the game designer is drugged up, and loose money an entire year.

It doesn't make sense.

Anyone in their line of work identifies a problem with their tools, would switch tool. I know it's a bad analogy, still though!
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
March 02 2019 16:41 GMT
#982
On March 03 2019 01:40 Lhewoo wrote:
What i don't understand is why do players stick to the race so damn hard. I mean it's their living bread. If they feel they are at a disadvantage they should switch. Why doesn't Inno switch to Z or P. Why this hanging on when it's obvious the game designer is drugged up, and loose money an entire year.

It doesn't make sense.

Anyone in their line of work identifies a problem with their tools, would switch tool. I know it's a bad analogy, still though!


Because it's super hard to switch races, not that much skill transfer over
Zest fanboy.
Akio
Profile Blog Joined January 2019
Finland1838 Posts
March 02 2019 16:41 GMT
#983
On March 03 2019 01:39 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2019 01:29 Xain0n wrote:
Lol, Serral playing as Terran now would lose, for sure.
If he switched race and practiced he could get there, his mechanics are top notch!
Imagine what he could do with his multitasking.

There's a reason why we didn't have a good foreign Terran who would be able to win something hard for years now. So no offense to your fanboism and Serral, but nope, he would be worse.

It's not just about mechanics, the race needs to fit your style.

I agree. I actually checked a while back that the last non-Korean Terran who won a premier tournament was in 2012 when ThorzaiN won a Dreamhack (I believe)
Mine gas, build tanks.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55566 Posts
March 02 2019 16:41 GMT
#984
On March 03 2019 01:40 Lhewoo wrote:
What i don't understand is why do players stick to the race so damn hard. I mean it's their living bread. If they feel they are at a disadvantage they should switch. Why doesn't Inno switch to Z or P. Why this hanging on when it's obvious the game designer is drugged up, and loose money an entire year.

It doesn't make sense.

Anyone in their line of work identifies a problem with their tools, would switch tool. I know it's a bad analogy, still though!

Because they realize that learning a different race to get back to a similar level you had with the other race will take longer than it will take Blizzard to patch the game.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15845 Posts
March 02 2019 16:41 GMT
#985
On March 03 2019 01:39 Elentos wrote:
Very unfortunate for soO. The attack was too fast for him to either get enough roaches or get enough mutas.

The map is too small, zerg need more time to be able to react.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28520 Posts
March 02 2019 16:41 GMT
#986
On March 03 2019 01:41 Akio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2019 01:39 deacon.frost wrote:
On March 03 2019 01:29 Xain0n wrote:
Lol, Serral playing as Terran now would lose, for sure.
If he switched race and practiced he could get there, his mechanics are top notch!
Imagine what he could do with his multitasking.

There's a reason why we didn't have a good foreign Terran who would be able to win something hard for years now. So no offense to your fanboism and Serral, but nope, he would be worse.

It's not just about mechanics, the race needs to fit your style.

I agree. I actually checked a while back that the last non-Korean Terran who won a premier tournament was in 2012 when ThorzaiN won a Dreamhack (I believe)

uthermal won an IEM
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Jasper_Ty
Profile Joined July 2017
101 Posts
March 02 2019 16:42 GMT
#987
On March 03 2019 01:41 Akio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2019 01:39 deacon.frost wrote:
On March 03 2019 01:29 Xain0n wrote:
Lol, Serral playing as Terran now would lose, for sure.
If he switched race and practiced he could get there, his mechanics are top notch!
Imagine what he could do with his multitasking.

There's a reason why we didn't have a good foreign Terran who would be able to win something hard for years now. So no offense to your fanboism and Serral, but nope, he would be worse.

It's not just about mechanics, the race needs to fit your style.

I agree. I actually checked a while back that the last non-Korean Terran who won a premier tournament was in 2012 when ThorzaiN won a Dreamhack (I believe)


uThermal won an IEM once but it was region locked so it's a bit of a stretch
argonautdice
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada2719 Posts
March 02 2019 16:42 GMT
#988
On March 03 2019 01:40 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2019 01:33 argonautdice wrote:
Wow Serral Top 1 Brain Plasticity


What do you mean?

During this tournament it seems Serral is playing more aggressively than he did at BlizzCon, maybe relying on the fact everyone expects him to go for a safe route?
Or maybe it's just that Nydus is too good to be overlooked.

You missed PiG commenting that Serral had amazing plasticity of brain that allows him to adapt to every situation better than his opponents.
very illegal and very uncool
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
March 02 2019 16:42 GMT
#989
On March 03 2019 01:40 Lhewoo wrote:
What i don't understand is why do players stick to the race so damn hard. I mean it's their living bread. If they feel they are at a disadvantage they should switch. Why doesn't Inno switch to Z or P. Why this hanging on when it's obvious the game designer is drugged up, and loose money an entire year.

It doesn't make sense.

Anyone in their line of work identifies a problem with their tools, would switch tool. I know it's a bad analogy, still though!

I only recall a small handful of successful race switches and even then they were inter-game race switches (i.e. switcher went from race he kept playing after BW to another).

It's far harder to play other races at top level than it looks.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
March 02 2019 16:42 GMT
#990
On March 03 2019 01:40 Lhewoo wrote:
What i don't understand is why do players stick to the race so damn hard. I mean it's their living bread. If they feel they are at a disadvantage they should switch. Why doesn't Inno switch to Z or P. Why this hanging on when it's obvious the game designer is drugged up, and loose money an entire year.

It doesn't make sense.

Anyone in their line of work identifies a problem with their tools, would switch tool. I know it's a bad analogy, still though!

Yeah, I don't understand that either. I mean if you're a good plastic surgeon you should be able to operate a complicated tumor in the brain, why ask some other specialist. You just identify the problem and change your expertise.
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
Akio
Profile Blog Joined January 2019
Finland1838 Posts
March 02 2019 16:42 GMT
#991
On March 03 2019 01:41 Penev wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2019 01:41 Akio wrote:
On March 03 2019 01:39 deacon.frost wrote:
On March 03 2019 01:29 Xain0n wrote:
Lol, Serral playing as Terran now would lose, for sure.
If he switched race and practiced he could get there, his mechanics are top notch!
Imagine what he could do with his multitasking.

There's a reason why we didn't have a good foreign Terran who would be able to win something hard for years now. So no offense to your fanboism and Serral, but nope, he would be worse.

It's not just about mechanics, the race needs to fit your style.

I agree. I actually checked a while back that the last non-Korean Terran who won a premier tournament was in 2012 when ThorzaiN won a Dreamhack (I believe)

uthermal won an IEM

Oh my bad, must've missed that
Mine gas, build tanks.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55566 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-02 16:43:47
March 02 2019 16:43 GMT
#992
On March 03 2019 01:41 Akio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2019 01:39 deacon.frost wrote:
On March 03 2019 01:29 Xain0n wrote:
Lol, Serral playing as Terran now would lose, for sure.
If he switched race and practiced he could get there, his mechanics are top notch!
Imagine what he could do with his multitasking.

There's a reason why we didn't have a good foreign Terran who would be able to win something hard for years now. So no offense to your fanboism and Serral, but nope, he would be worse.

It's not just about mechanics, the race needs to fit your style.

I agree. I actually checked a while back that the last non-Korean Terran who won a premier tournament was in 2012 when ThorzaiN won a Dreamhack (I believe)

Liquid Bunny actually won a tournament with a 30,000 $ prize pool and over 3k WCS points on the line but that wasn't enough for it to be put under Premier on Liquipedia. And then Thermy won an IEM in 2016.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Fanatic-Templar
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada5819 Posts
March 02 2019 16:43 GMT
#993
On March 03 2019 01:41 Akio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2019 01:39 deacon.frost wrote:
On March 03 2019 01:29 Xain0n wrote:
Lol, Serral playing as Terran now would lose, for sure.
If he switched race and practiced he could get there, his mechanics are top notch!
Imagine what he could do with his multitasking.

There's a reason why we didn't have a good foreign Terran who would be able to win something hard for years now. So no offense to your fanboism and Serral, but nope, he would be worse.

It's not just about mechanics, the race needs to fit your style.

I agree. I actually checked a while back that the last non-Korean Terran who won a premier tournament was in 2012 when ThorzaiN won a Dreamhack (I believe)


Yeah, but non-Korean Terrans couldn't beat Protoss with 1-1-1. I have no idea what was up with that.
I bear this sig to commemorate the loss of the team icon that commemorated Oversky's 2008-2009 Proleague Round 1 performance.
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
March 02 2019 16:43 GMT
#994
On March 03 2019 01:39 RampancyTW wrote:
His scouting is just unbelievable

He just always gets the info he needs, except for those pesky stealth Battlecruisers

Don't think it was really possible to scout these, except maybe if he built 10 overseers and suicided them. ^^
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
March 02 2019 16:43 GMT
#995
On March 03 2019 01:39 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2019 01:29 Xain0n wrote:
Lol, Serral playing as Terran now would lose, for sure.
If he switched race and practiced he could get there, his mechanics are top notch!
Imagine what he could do with his multitasking.

There's a reason why we didn't have a good foreign Terran who would be able to win something hard for years now. So no offense to your fanboism and Serral, but nope, he would be worse.

It's not just about mechanics, the race needs to fit your style.


I am quite sure Zerg is the most fitting race for Serral but he likes Terran and he's comfortable with them.
I don't think he would be remotely as good with Terran as he is with Zerg, but I'd see him fighting for a WCS tournament, for sure; he may not as well, of course.
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
March 02 2019 16:43 GMT
#996
On March 03 2019 01:42 Akio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2019 01:41 Penev wrote:
On March 03 2019 01:41 Akio wrote:
On March 03 2019 01:39 deacon.frost wrote:
On March 03 2019 01:29 Xain0n wrote:
Lol, Serral playing as Terran now would lose, for sure.
If he switched race and practiced he could get there, his mechanics are top notch!
Imagine what he could do with his multitasking.

There's a reason why we didn't have a good foreign Terran who would be able to win something hard for years now. So no offense to your fanboism and Serral, but nope, he would be worse.

It's not just about mechanics, the race needs to fit your style.

I agree. I actually checked a while back that the last non-Korean Terran who won a premier tournament was in 2012 when ThorzaiN won a Dreamhack (I believe)

uthermal won an IEM

Oh my bad, must've missed that


he destroyed Neeb's brain in the process, amazing final if you like when one player dismantle the other and pick him apart.
Zest fanboy.
Akio
Profile Blog Joined January 2019
Finland1838 Posts
March 02 2019 16:43 GMT
#997
Damn I suck at research
Mine gas, build tanks.
argonautdice
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada2719 Posts
March 02 2019 16:44 GMT
#998
On March 03 2019 01:43 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2019 01:41 Akio wrote:
On March 03 2019 01:39 deacon.frost wrote:
On March 03 2019 01:29 Xain0n wrote:
Lol, Serral playing as Terran now would lose, for sure.
If he switched race and practiced he could get there, his mechanics are top notch!
Imagine what he could do with his multitasking.

There's a reason why we didn't have a good foreign Terran who would be able to win something hard for years now. So no offense to your fanboism and Serral, but nope, he would be worse.

It's not just about mechanics, the race needs to fit your style.

I agree. I actually checked a while back that the last non-Korean Terran who won a premier tournament was in 2012 when ThorzaiN won a Dreamhack (I believe)

Liquid Bunny actually won a tournament with a 30,000 $ prize pool and over 3k WCS points on the line but that wasn't enough for it to be put under Premier on Liquipedia. And then Thermy won an IEM in 2016.

It's because that tournament had 9 invited spots out of 12 total players.
very illegal and very uncool
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55566 Posts
March 02 2019 16:45 GMT
#999
On March 03 2019 01:43 HolydaKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2019 01:39 RampancyTW wrote:
His scouting is just unbelievable

He just always gets the info he needs, except for those pesky stealth Battlecruisers

Don't think it was really possible to scout these, except maybe if he built 10 overseers and suicided them. ^^

A bonjwa would have identified what was going on via Star Sense. Suck it Serral fanboys.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Lhewoo
Profile Joined November 2014
7 Posts
March 02 2019 16:45 GMT
#1000
On March 03 2019 01:41 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2019 01:40 Lhewoo wrote:
What i don't understand is why do players stick to the race so damn hard. I mean it's their living bread. If they feel they are at a disadvantage they should switch. Why doesn't Inno switch to Z or P. Why this hanging on when it's obvious the game designer is drugged up, and loose money an entire year.

It doesn't make sense.

Anyone in their line of work identifies a problem with their tools, would switch tool. I know it's a bad analogy, still though!

Because they realize that learning a different race to get back to a similar level you had with the other race will take longer than it will take Blizzard to patch the game.



I think there are lots of benefits of switching. I seem to remember Neeb switched. He's not exactly regretting it.
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