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starkiller123
Profile Joined January 2016
United States4030 Posts
March 02 2019 15:01 GMT
#641
not feeling this game for TY unfortunately
yht9657
Profile Joined December 2016
1810 Posts
March 02 2019 15:01 GMT
#642
On March 03 2019 00:00 nojok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2019 23:58 yht9657 wrote:
On March 02 2019 23:57 nojok wrote:
On March 02 2019 23:55 Charoisaur wrote:
On March 02 2019 23:54 virpi wrote:
Before we talk about balance patches, we could also think about the maps. BW style.

or about all the mistakes all the terran players here make.

It's so much easier to make mistakes as a terran though.

Because Terran players think about how to whine more than how to avoid mistakes?

I've not seen the pros whining so your agument is invalid.

Then you clearly have never seen any of Innovation's interviews, I highly recommend them tho.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
March 02 2019 15:01 GMT
#643
Yeah, TY is pretty dead but at least i can see why now.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
RampancyTW
Profile Joined August 2010
United States577 Posts
March 02 2019 15:02 GMT
#644
On March 02 2019 23:56 starkiller123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2019 23:55 RampancyTW wrote:
On March 02 2019 23:52 Jerom wrote:
On March 02 2019 23:50 lolfail9001 wrote:
To be honest i can't even tell why TY just rolls over and dies, i truly have not been keeping up with the game.

Can anyone tell? He was presplit, presieged and had an upgrade advantage. The micro from solar didn't seem like anything special either but he still just dies. I don't understand how that can happen.
Forgetting +3 attack was pretty big, it finished right as the fight had ended and would have made a big difference vs. the Ultras. Additionally no +1 attack on the tanks meant that they couldn't 1-shot banelings... there was no meaningful upgrade advantage for TY despite the higher overall resource investment. Solar also focused heavily on units and kept forcing trades, preventing TY from reaching a safe critical mass and making composition adjustments.

he had maybe two tanks, +1 attack would have been a big waste

Which is a big issue tbh, he had a huge spread line but no tanks to make it worth spreading out like that, so his army got piecemealed. His defensive setup was trash in addition to not having the upgrades he needed. 4-5 tanks with +1 and 6 fewer widows mines would have been a way better outcome with his setup.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28518 Posts
March 02 2019 15:02 GMT
#645
On March 03 2019 00:01 sneakyfox wrote:
A wonderful day of 3-0's and mirror matchups

too bad one series had a terran, thankfully not for much longer
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Muffloe
Profile Joined December 2012
Sweden6061 Posts
March 02 2019 15:02 GMT
#646
is it gonna be another 3-0
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15845 Posts
March 02 2019 15:02 GMT
#647
On March 03 2019 00:01 yht9657 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2019 00:00 nojok wrote:
On March 02 2019 23:58 yht9657 wrote:
On March 02 2019 23:57 nojok wrote:
On March 02 2019 23:55 Charoisaur wrote:
On March 02 2019 23:54 virpi wrote:
Before we talk about balance patches, we could also think about the maps. BW style.

or about all the mistakes all the terran players here make.

It's so much easier to make mistakes as a terran though.

Because Terran players think about how to whine more than how to avoid mistakes?

I've not seen the pros whining so your agument is invalid.

Then you clearly have never seen any of Innovation's interviews, I highly recommend them tho.

Whining is not faceless, if he's not faceless he's not truely Korean thus his advice does not count.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
starkiller123
Profile Joined January 2016
United States4030 Posts
March 02 2019 15:03 GMT
#648
On March 03 2019 00:01 yht9657 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2019 00:00 nojok wrote:
On March 02 2019 23:58 yht9657 wrote:
On March 02 2019 23:57 nojok wrote:
On March 02 2019 23:55 Charoisaur wrote:
On March 02 2019 23:54 virpi wrote:
Before we talk about balance patches, we could also think about the maps. BW style.

or about all the mistakes all the terran players here make.

It's so much easier to make mistakes as a terran though.

Because Terran players think about how to whine more than how to avoid mistakes?

I've not seen the pros whining so your agument is invalid.

Then you clearly have never seen any of Innovation's interviews, I highly recommend them tho.

really any pro, they are all balance whining almost constantly regardless of balance
Doko
Profile Joined May 2010
Argentina1737 Posts
March 02 2019 15:03 GMT
#649
On March 03 2019 00:02 RampancyTW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2019 23:56 starkiller123 wrote:
On March 02 2019 23:55 RampancyTW wrote:
On March 02 2019 23:52 Jerom wrote:
On March 02 2019 23:50 lolfail9001 wrote:
To be honest i can't even tell why TY just rolls over and dies, i truly have not been keeping up with the game.

Can anyone tell? He was presplit, presieged and had an upgrade advantage. The micro from solar didn't seem like anything special either but he still just dies. I don't understand how that can happen.
Forgetting +3 attack was pretty big, it finished right as the fight had ended and would have made a big difference vs. the Ultras. Additionally no +1 attack on the tanks meant that they couldn't 1-shot banelings... there was no meaningful upgrade advantage for TY despite the higher overall resource investment. Solar also focused heavily on units and kept forcing trades, preventing TY from reaching a safe critical mass and making composition adjustments.

he had maybe two tanks, +1 attack would have been a big waste

Which is a big issue tbh, he had a huge spread line but no tanks to make it worth spreading out like that, so his army got piecemealed. His defensive setup was trash in addition to not having the upgrades he needed. 4-5 tanks with +1 and 6 fewer widows mines would have been a way better outcome with his setup.


I don't think you realize just how bad tanks are vs zerg armies that are not relying entirely on banes connecting.
virpi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany3599 Posts
March 02 2019 15:03 GMT
#650
Ty's army looked so small.
first we make expand, then we defense it.
Fanatic-Templar
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada5819 Posts
March 02 2019 15:03 GMT
#651
Ty just turned green. I think he's dead.
I bear this sig to commemorate the loss of the team icon that commemorated Oversky's 2008-2009 Proleague Round 1 performance.
barcode00000
Profile Joined January 2017
3 Posts
March 02 2019 15:03 GMT
#652
I'm out. don't care to follow a broken game

User was warned for this post
starkiller123
Profile Joined January 2016
United States4030 Posts
March 02 2019 15:04 GMT
#653
On March 03 2019 00:02 RampancyTW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2019 23:56 starkiller123 wrote:
On March 02 2019 23:55 RampancyTW wrote:
On March 02 2019 23:52 Jerom wrote:
On March 02 2019 23:50 lolfail9001 wrote:
To be honest i can't even tell why TY just rolls over and dies, i truly have not been keeping up with the game.

Can anyone tell? He was presplit, presieged and had an upgrade advantage. The micro from solar didn't seem like anything special either but he still just dies. I don't understand how that can happen.
Forgetting +3 attack was pretty big, it finished right as the fight had ended and would have made a big difference vs. the Ultras. Additionally no +1 attack on the tanks meant that they couldn't 1-shot banelings... there was no meaningful upgrade advantage for TY despite the higher overall resource investment. Solar also focused heavily on units and kept forcing trades, preventing TY from reaching a safe critical mass and making composition adjustments.

he had maybe two tanks, +1 attack would have been a big waste

Which is a big issue tbh, he had a huge spread line but no tanks to make it worth spreading out like that, so his army got piecemealed. His defensive setup was trash in addition to not having the upgrades he needed. 4-5 tanks with +1 and 6 fewer widows mines would have been a way better outcome with his setup.

I disagree, way to much ling bane in that game for tanks to useful
RampancyTW
Profile Joined August 2010
United States577 Posts
March 02 2019 15:04 GMT
#654
On March 02 2019 23:59 Jerom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2019 23:55 RampancyTW wrote:
On March 02 2019 23:52 Jerom wrote:
On March 02 2019 23:50 lolfail9001 wrote:
To be honest i can't even tell why TY just rolls over and dies, i truly have not been keeping up with the game.

Can anyone tell? He was presplit, presieged and had an upgrade advantage. The micro from solar didn't seem like anything special either but he still just dies. I don't understand how that can happen.
Forgetting +3 attack was pretty big, it finished right as the fight had ended and would have made a big difference vs. the Ultras. Additionally no +1 attack on the tanks meant that they couldn't 1-shot banelings... there was no meaningful upgrade advantage for TY despite the higher overall resource investment. Solar also focused heavily on units and kept forcing trades, preventing TY from reaching a safe critical mass and making composition adjustments.

The upgrade advantage wasn't large, but it was still there. Even at best, they were even on upgrades and Solar still just runs into a fortified terran base. It made no sense to me personally. Like, if Zerg catches terran unsieged or moving out in the open or has a triple flank then it makes sense that terran dies, but to see terran die when the game seems about even and he's just totally turtled up.

The only explanation I can see is the casters curse being stronger, as demuslim just mentioned that "it's so hard to break terrans that play like this" seconds before Solar amoved to break TY.
As I mentioned to the other poster, it wasn't particularly fortified. Nothing to challenge the Corruptors taking out the Liberators and not enough tanks to take advantage of the spread setup. So it got broken by an effectively even-in-upgrades Solar with a better unit comp and lower investment into upgrades ---> more units over the last few minutes of the game.
romson87
Profile Joined May 2016
Poland487 Posts
March 02 2019 15:04 GMT
#655
These Korean terrans :D
TL+ Member
Popkiller
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
3415 Posts
March 02 2019 15:04 GMT
#656
same old SC2 I see, the only good match ups are the Terran match ups and there are never any Terrans hahaa
mierin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4943 Posts
March 02 2019 15:04 GMT
#657
I'm disappointed by Terrans this tournament...playing really well when nothing is on the line and rolling over when it really matters.
JD, Stork, Calm, Hyuk Fighting!
Kazi25
Profile Joined July 2016
Philippines236 Posts
March 02 2019 15:04 GMT
#658
Still 3-0
DBooN
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2727 Posts
March 02 2019 15:04 GMT
#659
What a shit tournament. Hope soO wins atleast.
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24238 Posts
March 02 2019 15:04 GMT
#660
worst tournament day ever ?
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