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On March 02 2019 22:37 Fanatic-Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 22:36 starkiller123 wrote:On March 02 2019 22:34 HolydaKing wrote:
These games are so bad compared to yesterday... is it the lack of terrans? At least we'll have some quality ZvZ later. wait people are still surprised that terran makes for the best sc2 games? Counter argument: Terran sometimes plays mech.
member innovation vs taeja tho, dat was the best game ever and inno played mech
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On March 02 2019 22:37 Fanatic-Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 22:36 starkiller123 wrote:On March 02 2019 22:34 HolydaKing wrote:
These games are so bad compared to yesterday... is it the lack of terrans? At least we'll have some quality ZvZ later. wait people are still surprised that terran makes for the best sc2 games? Counter argument: Terran sometimes plays mech.
Counter argument: Sometimes the terran playing mech is Gumiho
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On March 02 2019 22:37 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 22:37 Elentos wrote:On March 02 2019 22:31 Fango wrote:On March 02 2019 22:26 Elentos wrote:On March 02 2019 22:24 Fango wrote:On March 02 2019 22:22 starkiller123 wrote:On March 02 2019 22:22 Fango wrote:On March 02 2019 22:17 Charoisaur wrote:On March 02 2019 22:12 starkiller123 wrote:On March 02 2019 22:11 Fango wrote:
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2015 was the year. PartinG, herO, Maru, and Life were the best players of their races and also the most entertaining to watch.
Plus guys like Zest, INno, Rain were still up there as well even if they weren't there absolute best. and then we had 2016 lol, now that was a bad year The ByuN storyline was pretty cool though and with Zest vs TY and Dark vs ByuN it had two of the best individual games of all time. And Maru had a flash level proleague season. Almost all his SPL games were incredible and then he couldn't qualify for gsl one season, what a weird year He was probably the second (or maybe third) best player in the world that season as well. Facing Zest (who was number one) in Code A might be the worst bracket luck ever. If we measure it by performance vs Zest it's pretty clear Maru couldn't have been the second best  Debatable. While the score was one sided, the games were crazy. The score being 3-0 is very misleading to how close it was. TY "only" lost 4-2 , but all the games he did lose were roflstomps. Plus Maru smacked Zest, TY, Stats, and Dark in proleague afterwoods. Only 1 game between Maru and Zest in the Code A match was any close at all, Maru got stomped afterwards. He also did not smack Zest or TY in Proleague, unless you now smack someone if you barely come back from a deficit. he definitely wrecked TY in the Proleague grandfinals 
That was a few months after Zest won GSL though so it doesn't count
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On March 02 2019 22:36 nojok wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 22:36 starkiller123 wrote:On March 02 2019 22:34 HolydaKing wrote:
These games are so bad compared to yesterday... is it the lack of terrans? At least we'll have some quality ZvZ later. wait people are still surprised that terran makes for the best sc2 games? Someone even told PvZ was the best match up lol.
That was back in HotS
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On March 02 2019 22:38 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 22:37 Fanatic-Templar wrote:On March 02 2019 22:36 starkiller123 wrote:On March 02 2019 22:34 HolydaKing wrote:
These games are so bad compared to yesterday... is it the lack of terrans? At least we'll have some quality ZvZ later. wait people are still surprised that terran makes for the best sc2 games? Counter argument: Terran sometimes plays mech. Counter argument: Sometimes the terran playing mech is Gumiho
Fair enough, I admit defeat.
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On March 02 2019 22:36 nojok wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 22:36 starkiller123 wrote:On March 02 2019 22:34 HolydaKing wrote:
These games are so bad compared to yesterday... is it the lack of terrans? At least we'll have some quality ZvZ later. wait people are still surprised that terran makes for the best sc2 games? Someone even told PvZ was the best match up lol.
TvZ > TvP > ZvZ = TvT > PvP > PvZ imo. That order is assuming highest level of play btw.
Really hope Ragnarok will win some maps. 
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On March 02 2019 22:37 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 22:31 Fango wrote:On March 02 2019 22:26 Elentos wrote:On March 02 2019 22:24 Fango wrote:On March 02 2019 22:22 starkiller123 wrote:On March 02 2019 22:22 Fango wrote:On March 02 2019 22:17 Charoisaur wrote:On March 02 2019 22:12 starkiller123 wrote:On March 02 2019 22:11 Fango wrote:On March 02 2019 21:59 Elentos wrote:
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I have way, way better memories of 2015 but that might be Terran bias. 2015 was the year. PartinG, herO, Maru, and Life were the best players of their races and also the most entertaining to watch. Plus guys like Zest, INno, Rain were still up there as well even if they weren't there absolute best. and then we had 2016 lol, now that was a bad year The ByuN storyline was pretty cool though and with Zest vs TY and Dark vs ByuN it had two of the best individual games of all time. And Maru had a flash level proleague season. Almost all his SPL games were incredible and then he couldn't qualify for gsl one season, what a weird year He was probably the second (or maybe third) best player in the world that season as well. Facing Zest (who was number one) in Code A might be the worst bracket luck ever. If we measure it by performance vs Zest it's pretty clear Maru couldn't have been the second best Debatable. While the score was one sided, the games were crazy. The score being 3-0 is very misleading to how close it was. TY "only" lost 4-2 , but all the games he did lose were roflstomps. Plus Maru smacked Zest, TY, Stats, and Dark in proleague afterwoods. Only 1 game between Maru and Zest in the Code A match was any close at all, Maru got stomped afterwards. He also did not smack Zest or TY in Proleague, unless you now smack someone if you barely come back from a deficit.
I dunno he beat Zest pretty solidly in proleague, held off the early aggression and just outplayed him in the longer game
And he went 3-0 against TY in proleague that season
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On March 02 2019 22:37 starkiller123 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 22:37 Elentos wrote:On March 02 2019 22:31 Fango wrote:On March 02 2019 22:26 Elentos wrote:On March 02 2019 22:24 Fango wrote:On March 02 2019 22:22 starkiller123 wrote:On March 02 2019 22:22 Fango wrote:On March 02 2019 22:17 Charoisaur wrote:On March 02 2019 22:12 starkiller123 wrote:On March 02 2019 22:11 Fango wrote:
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2015 was the year. PartinG, herO, Maru, and Life were the best players of their races and also the most entertaining to watch.
Plus guys like Zest, INno, Rain were still up there as well even if they weren't there absolute best. and then we had 2016 lol, now that was a bad year The ByuN storyline was pretty cool though and with Zest vs TY and Dark vs ByuN it had two of the best individual games of all time. And Maru had a flash level proleague season. Almost all his SPL games were incredible and then he couldn't qualify for gsl one season, what a weird year He was probably the second (or maybe third) best player in the world that season as well. Facing Zest (who was number one) in Code A might be the worst bracket luck ever. If we measure it by performance vs Zest it's pretty clear Maru couldn't have been the second best Debatable. While the score was one sided, the games were crazy. The score being 3-0 is very misleading to how close it was. TY "only" lost 4-2 , but all the games he did lose were roflstomps. Plus Maru smacked Zest, TY, Stats, and Dark in proleague afterwoods. Only 1 game between Maru and Zest in the Code A match was any close at all, Maru got stomped afterwards. He also did not smack Zest or TY in Proleague, unless you now smack someone if you barely come back from a deficit. remember that awful gold base map? Prion terrace or something like that
First the gold base was a 3rd so it was super Zerg favored. Then the gold base got moved to the natural and it was suddenly very good for Protoss
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On March 02 2019 22:36 nojok wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 22:36 starkiller123 wrote:On March 02 2019 22:34 HolydaKing wrote:
These games are so bad compared to yesterday... is it the lack of terrans? At least we'll have some quality ZvZ later. wait people are still surprised that terran makes for the best sc2 games? Someone even told PvZ was the best match up lol.
it is. Out of the 3 currently relevant SC2 matchups it's definitely the best
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Canada8989 Posts
Waking up to a 3-0 for soO is a great way to start the day
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On March 02 2019 22:40 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 22:36 nojok wrote:On March 02 2019 22:36 starkiller123 wrote:On March 02 2019 22:34 HolydaKing wrote:
These games are so bad compared to yesterday... is it the lack of terrans? At least we'll have some quality ZvZ later. wait people are still surprised that terran makes for the best sc2 games? Someone even told PvZ was the best match up lol. it is. Out of the 3 currently relevant SC2 matchups it's definitely the best
Gumiho was really the best part of this tournament :/
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On March 02 2019 22:39 HolydaKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 22:36 nojok wrote:On March 02 2019 22:36 starkiller123 wrote:On March 02 2019 22:34 HolydaKing wrote:
These games are so bad compared to yesterday... is it the lack of terrans? At least we'll have some quality ZvZ later. wait people are still surprised that terran makes for the best sc2 games? Someone even told PvZ was the best match up lol. TvZ > TvP > ZvZ = TvT > PvP > PvZ imo. That order is assuming highest level of play btw. Really hope Ragnarok will win some maps.
on the current patch TvP is at the end imo
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for me this is the sweet-spot, this is pretty much the amount of terran i want to see.
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On March 02 2019 22:39 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 22:37 Elentos wrote:On March 02 2019 22:31 Fango wrote:On March 02 2019 22:26 Elentos wrote:On March 02 2019 22:24 Fango wrote:On March 02 2019 22:22 starkiller123 wrote:On March 02 2019 22:22 Fango wrote:On March 02 2019 22:17 Charoisaur wrote:On March 02 2019 22:12 starkiller123 wrote:On March 02 2019 22:11 Fango wrote:
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2015 was the year. PartinG, herO, Maru, and Life were the best players of their races and also the most entertaining to watch.
Plus guys like Zest, INno, Rain were still up there as well even if they weren't there absolute best. and then we had 2016 lol, now that was a bad year The ByuN storyline was pretty cool though and with Zest vs TY and Dark vs ByuN it had two of the best individual games of all time. And Maru had a flash level proleague season. Almost all his SPL games were incredible and then he couldn't qualify for gsl one season, what a weird year He was probably the second (or maybe third) best player in the world that season as well. Facing Zest (who was number one) in Code A might be the worst bracket luck ever. If we measure it by performance vs Zest it's pretty clear Maru couldn't have been the second best Debatable. While the score was one sided, the games were crazy. The score being 3-0 is very misleading to how close it was. TY "only" lost 4-2 , but all the games he did lose were roflstomps. Plus Maru smacked Zest, TY, Stats, and Dark in proleague afterwoods. Only 1 game between Maru and Zest in the Code A match was any close at all, Maru got stomped afterwards. He also did not smack Zest or TY in Proleague, unless you now smack someone if you barely come back from a deficit. I dunno he beat Zest pretty solidly in proleague, held off the early aggression and just outplayed him in the longer game And he went 3-0 against TY in proleague that season
Maru and TY played 1 time while season 1 of GSL was going. Because "that season =/= that year."
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On March 02 2019 22:39 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 22:37 starkiller123 wrote:On March 02 2019 22:37 Elentos wrote:On March 02 2019 22:31 Fango wrote:On March 02 2019 22:26 Elentos wrote:On March 02 2019 22:24 Fango wrote:On March 02 2019 22:22 starkiller123 wrote:On March 02 2019 22:22 Fango wrote:On March 02 2019 22:17 Charoisaur wrote:On March 02 2019 22:12 starkiller123 wrote:
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and then we had 2016 lol, now that was a bad year The ByuN storyline was pretty cool though and with Zest vs TY and Dark vs ByuN it had two of the best individual games of all time. And Maru had a flash level proleague season. Almost all his SPL games were incredible and then he couldn't qualify for gsl one season, what a weird year He was probably the second (or maybe third) best player in the world that season as well. Facing Zest (who was number one) in Code A might be the worst bracket luck ever. If we measure it by performance vs Zest it's pretty clear Maru couldn't have been the second best Debatable. While the score was one sided, the games were crazy. The score being 3-0 is very misleading to how close it was. TY "only" lost 4-2 , but all the games he did lose were roflstomps. Plus Maru smacked Zest, TY, Stats, and Dark in proleague afterwoods. Only 1 game between Maru and Zest in the Code A match was any close at all, Maru got stomped afterwards. He also did not smack Zest or TY in Proleague, unless you now smack someone if you barely come back from a deficit. remember that awful gold base map? Prion terrace or something like that First the gold base was a 3rd so it was super Zerg favored. Then the gold base got moved to the natural and it was suddenly very good for Protoss
Doesn't beat Dasan Station
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hmmm shit micro here
Ragnarok has a Nydus canal right ?
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On March 02 2019 22:39 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 22:37 starkiller123 wrote:On March 02 2019 22:37 Elentos wrote:On March 02 2019 22:31 Fango wrote:On March 02 2019 22:26 Elentos wrote:On March 02 2019 22:24 Fango wrote:On March 02 2019 22:22 starkiller123 wrote:On March 02 2019 22:22 Fango wrote:On March 02 2019 22:17 Charoisaur wrote:On March 02 2019 22:12 starkiller123 wrote:
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and then we had 2016 lol, now that was a bad year The ByuN storyline was pretty cool though and with Zest vs TY and Dark vs ByuN it had two of the best individual games of all time. And Maru had a flash level proleague season. Almost all his SPL games were incredible and then he couldn't qualify for gsl one season, what a weird year He was probably the second (or maybe third) best player in the world that season as well. Facing Zest (who was number one) in Code A might be the worst bracket luck ever. If we measure it by performance vs Zest it's pretty clear Maru couldn't have been the second best Debatable. While the score was one sided, the games were crazy. The score being 3-0 is very misleading to how close it was. TY "only" lost 4-2 , but all the games he did lose were roflstomps. Plus Maru smacked Zest, TY, Stats, and Dark in proleague afterwoods. Only 1 game between Maru and Zest in the Code A match was any close at all, Maru got stomped afterwards. He also did not smack Zest or TY in Proleague, unless you now smack someone if you barely come back from a deficit. remember that awful gold base map? Prion terrace or something like that First the gold base was a 3rd so it was super Zerg favored. Then the gold base got moved to the natural and it was suddenly very good for Protoss
zerg could max out on roach ravager while terran had maybe 120 supply, good times
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On March 02 2019 22:41 Geo.Rion wrote:
for me this is the sweet-spot, this is pretty much the amount of terran i want to see.
I have this dilemma where I like to see Terrans lose, but that requires Terrans to still be around.
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On March 02 2019 22:43 starkiller123 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 22:39 Elentos wrote:On March 02 2019 22:37 starkiller123 wrote:On March 02 2019 22:37 Elentos wrote:On March 02 2019 22:31 Fango wrote:On March 02 2019 22:26 Elentos wrote:On March 02 2019 22:24 Fango wrote:On March 02 2019 22:22 starkiller123 wrote:On March 02 2019 22:22 Fango wrote:On March 02 2019 22:17 Charoisaur wrote:
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The ByuN storyline was pretty cool though and with Zest vs TY and Dark vs ByuN it had two of the best individual games of all time.
And Maru had a flash level proleague season. Almost all his SPL games were incredible and then he couldn't qualify for gsl one season, what a weird year He was probably the second (or maybe third) best player in the world that season as well. Facing Zest (who was number one) in Code A might be the worst bracket luck ever. If we measure it by performance vs Zest it's pretty clear Maru couldn't have been the second best Debatable. While the score was one sided, the games were crazy. The score being 3-0 is very misleading to how close it was. TY "only" lost 4-2 , but all the games he did lose were roflstomps. Plus Maru smacked Zest, TY, Stats, and Dark in proleague afterwoods. Only 1 game between Maru and Zest in the Code A match was any close at all, Maru got stomped afterwards. He also did not smack Zest or TY in Proleague, unless you now smack someone if you barely come back from a deficit. remember that awful gold base map? Prion terrace or something like that First the gold base was a 3rd so it was super Zerg favored. Then the gold base got moved to the natural and it was suddenly very good for Protoss zerg could max out on roach ravager while terran had maybe 120 supply, good times
Only way to win is to kite them with tankivacs starting at their natural
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