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Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-03 23:39:00
November 03 2018 23:38 GMT
#1281
On November 04 2018 08:33 Makro wrote:
what's the finnish word for bonjwa ? maybe that way silly korean elitist won't be bothered anymore


If the word you want to associate with bonjwa is 'god', it's Jumala.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
November 03 2018 23:38 GMT
#1282
On November 04 2018 08:34 ChaosArcher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2018 08:29 deacon.frost wrote:
On November 04 2018 08:25 ChaosArcher wrote:
On November 04 2018 08:19 Zealously wrote:
On November 04 2018 08:17 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:
ah the tears of all the Serral haters and korean elitists over here are going to be sweet for a long time.


You know, it's okay to think Several is merely "really good" without all the superlatives. That's not being a hater or an elitist.


merely "really good". Lol TL korean elitists are some of the weirdest people I voluntarily deal with.
I swear if Serral was born in SK and came up through some Kespa team you would worship this guy to no end. Look at the disbelief in Rogues face at the end of game 4. The formerly best macro Zerg in the world just played his heart out and he felt helpless.

Maru was born in SK, he dominated the Korean scene the same way Serral did thr foreign and NONE OF YOU declared him Bonjwa. By far the biggest player achievement. By far the hardest competition on the Earth. And yet the discussion was closed. And now we have Serral, who won an invitational, lsot the onlly offline game against Maru, never won Korean starleague title(not talking about back to back win), is dominating the easier competition(from the 8 best players at Blizzcon only 2 advanced from groups) and he should be declared Bonjwa because his fans say so? Seriously?


I heard the term bonjwa being dropped on Maru like a thousand times this year.
Especially after winning the third one in the row.
If Maru stomped Blizzcon like Serral is currently doing he would be a lock for bonjwa status in my book.
But he didnt. He got 3:0ed by SoS, the same player Serral made look like a fool.
Serral has to prove more to obtain bonjwa status, but the term being dropped while talking about him is not suprising.

And similarly sOs when he was winning his last tournament while he didn't bring the same play in Code S. But considering someone who's avoiding starleagues to be Bonjwa would mean that WCS is the biggest and hardest SC2 competition Which it isn't (At least not now, if we wait few years Korean Army will solve this).
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Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28481 Posts
November 03 2018 23:39 GMT
#1283
On November 04 2018 08:37 HariSeldon wrote:
Will Serral solve global warming?

The Bonjwa, when declared, can literally do anything

I Protoss winner, could it be?
ChaosArcher
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany956 Posts
November 03 2018 23:39 GMT
#1284
On November 04 2018 08:34 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2018 08:25 ChaosArcher wrote:
On November 04 2018 08:19 Zealously wrote:
On November 04 2018 08:17 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:
ah the tears of all the Serral haters and korean elitists over here are going to be sweet for a long time.


You know, it's okay to think Several is merely "really good" without all the superlatives. That's not being a hater or an elitist.


merely "really good". Lol TL korean elitists are some of the weirdest people I voluntarily deal with.
I swear if Serral was born in SK and came up through some Kespa team you would worship this guy to no end. Look at the disbelief in Rogues face at the end of game 4. The formerly best macro Zerg in the world just played his heart out and he felt helpless.


I don't know what it is with this ratcheted-up aggression over this. Some people (like myself) think Mvp is overrated. Some people think Stephano was never half as good as some people would have it. Some people think Taeja is one of the best if not THE very best Terran of all time, others don't. You're playing this up as if there is some monolith that automatically raises Korean high-performing players to the highest of superlatives and if the very same players had been non-Korean they would have been deemed uninteresting or unworthy of praise. I don't know where you're seeing that, but it's pretty inane. I think Serral is really good and probably a lock to either beat Stats or at least make the finals really close, but I also don't need to approve of this notion that he's doing some otherworldly thing and revolutionizing the game in a way that has never been done before. I just think he's a really good player. I don't know what your problem is with that.


You are obviously entitled to your opinion.
But let other people have their hypeespecially if its deserved like it is for Serral.
This TL threads just seem so toxic to me everytime a foreigner achieves something.
If kr loses its blizzards fault for killing the scene. If the foreigner loses he was overrated anyway. If a caster calls out a great play in a hyped moment it is annoying hyperbole.
ilovegroov
Profile Joined January 2015
357 Posts
November 03 2018 23:39 GMT
#1285
good god theyre definitely overdoing it.
MarianoSC2
Profile Joined June 2015
Slovakia1855 Posts
November 03 2018 23:39 GMT
#1286
On November 04 2018 08:35 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2018 08:32 MarianoSC2 wrote:
On November 04 2018 08:29 deacon.frost wrote:
On November 04 2018 08:25 ChaosArcher wrote:
On November 04 2018 08:19 Zealously wrote:
On November 04 2018 08:17 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:
ah the tears of all the Serral haters and korean elitists over here are going to be sweet for a long time.


You know, it's okay to think Several is merely "really good" without all the superlatives. That's not being a hater or an elitist.


merely "really good". Lol TL korean elitists are some of the weirdest people I voluntarily deal with.
I swear if Serral was born in SK and came up through some Kespa team you would worship this guy to no end. Look at the disbelief in Rogues face at the end of game 4. The formerly best macro Zerg in the world just played his heart out and he felt helpless.

Maru was born in SK, he dominated the Korean scene the same way Serral did thr foreign and NONE OF YOU declared him Bonjwa. By far the biggest player achievement. By far the hardest competition on the Earth. And yet the discussion was closed. And now we have Serral, who won an invitational, lsot the onlly offline game against Maru, never won Korean starleague title(not talking about back to back win), is dominating the easier competition(from the 8 best players at Blizzcon only 2 advanced from groups) and he should be declared Bonjwa because his fans say so? Seriously?



He is right tho... Rogue, the best Korean zerg by far, best Korean ZvZ player (maybe tied with soO) did bring our his A-game today. And it was close, but not enough. Serral is legit and deserves to be in a Bonjwa discussion at this point. Same as Maru.

None of them deserves the Bonjwa status and I am a Maru fanboy. Just sain


That is just playing with words. Replace Bonjwa with player of the year... Better? For me, Bonjwa is just someone who is dominating the scene for a long period of time. Not just player with most medals in that year, but someone who is almost untouchable and other players fear to face that player. Both Maru and Serral currently have that status, but Serral is just slightly more intimidating for me personally because he is a foreigner
Top 11: Rogue, Maru, Inno, Zest, Life, sOs, Stats, Dark, soO, Mvp, Classic/Trap/MC/Rain
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
November 03 2018 23:39 GMT
#1287
On November 04 2018 08:37 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2018 08:33 Tayar wrote:
i'm amazed that an event with 70,000 viewers can't sell a single ad to an outside company.

70k is a pitiful number for any advertiser outside of gaming industry tbh.

I'm pretty sure obscure TV channels sell adtime with much fewer viewers
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Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12886 Posts
November 03 2018 23:39 GMT
#1288
On November 04 2018 08:33 Alchemik wrote:
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On November 04 2018 08:32 Poopi wrote:
On November 04 2018 08:31 Paljas wrote:
I dont understand why people consider Korean players like Maru or Stats to be the best in the world when the region lock protected them from serral all year

On an even patch in TvZ Maru trashed Serral 3-0


oh so it's cause of balance

of course it is

What?
Serral didn't play an offline bo3+ vs Maru outside of that event

I'd still favor Maru in the finals vs Serral if he did beat sOs and Stats
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
November 03 2018 23:39 GMT
#1289
On November 04 2018 08:38 Grettin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2018 08:33 Makro wrote:
what's the finnish word for bonjwa ? maybe that way silly korean elitist won't be bothered anymore


If the word you want to associate with bonjwa is 'god', it's Jumala.

I'm pretty sure it's actually "elfi"
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HariSeldon
Profile Joined October 2018
Sweden114 Posts
November 03 2018 23:39 GMT
#1290
On November 04 2018 08:39 Penev wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2018 08:37 HariSeldon wrote:
Will Serral solve global warming?

The Bonjwa, when declared, can literally do anything



He is the Messiah!
Liquipedias don’t win wars.
Tayar
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1439 Posts
November 03 2018 23:40 GMT
#1291
On November 04 2018 08:37 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2018 08:33 Tayar wrote:
i'm amazed that an event with 70,000 viewers can't sell a single ad to an outside company.

70k is a pitiful number for any advertiser outside of gaming industry tbh.

I mean i get that but it is a pretty specific audience, and it falls within the demographic advertisers are most interested in. there really isn't a shitty computer accessory company out there that wouldn't fork of a few grand for an add spot or 12? Corsair? NZXT? what the fuck are they spending add dollars on if not this?
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8304 Posts
November 03 2018 23:40 GMT
#1292
On November 04 2018 08:37 HolydaKing wrote:
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On November 04 2018 08:37 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Serral is definitely exceptional. He feels like the stronger player in nearly every map. He doesn't win by smart builds, he wins by small amounts of outplay adding up during the match and a very resilient mental strength. Saying he's 'just very good' is a downplaying how his game wins feel and how hopeless he makes the entire foreign scene feel when facing him for example.


Such a damn shame he didn't get to face TY or Maru.


I mean, if he had faced TY, then we wouldn't have seen Serral vs Rogue, so I'm okay that TY had to lose so that we could see that epic series.

It is a damn shame about Maru though. Why did he have to be so stubborn and try to proxy every game?!
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
November 03 2018 23:40 GMT
#1293
On November 04 2018 08:39 Shellshock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2018 08:38 Grettin wrote:
On November 04 2018 08:33 Makro wrote:
what's the finnish word for bonjwa ? maybe that way silly korean elitist won't be bothered anymore


If the word you want to associate with bonjwa is 'god', it's Jumala.

I'm pretty sure it's actually "elfi"


Correct.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2749 Posts
November 03 2018 23:40 GMT
#1294
On November 04 2018 08:38 Grettin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2018 08:33 Makro wrote:
what's the finnish word for bonjwa ? maybe that way silly korean elitist won't be bothered anymore


If the word you want to associate with bonjwa is 'god', it's Jumala.


What a beautiful language.
Node
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2159 Posts
November 03 2018 23:40 GMT
#1295
I do wish we could've seen Serral demonstrate his ZvT against a top Korean at some point during this tournament, but this finals is still pretty hype. I'm sure Stats has been aware enough of this possibility to have some kind of plan.
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nadavu
Profile Joined February 2014
44 Posts
November 03 2018 23:41 GMT
#1296
Bonjwa this, bonjwa that... how about just enjoying the games?

virpi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany3598 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-03 23:42:05
November 03 2018 23:41 GMT
#1297
I'll never get that Korea vs. the rest of the world stuff. Serral has shown both in GSL vs. The World and during the WCS finals that he can beat EVERY korean. Yes, there hasn't been a longer series between him and Maru, which is a shame. But even if Serral loses to Stats, there's no point in artificially diminishing his success. He's one of the absolute best players in the world. And if he takes the whole thing he's the world champion, which means he's the best player of 2018. Period.

The "b" word has been thrown several times during SC2, but imho only Maru (if he had won Blizzcon) and Serral really have shown bonjwa level dominance. Mvp' dominated in a very early stage of the game, much like Boxer did back in the day. (Boxer is considered a bonjwa due to his revolutionary playstyle, but statistically he was only very good but nowhere near the level of dominance of Nada/oov/Voldemort during their respective peaks. (And then there's that KT terran, but that's another story...)

As for other SC2 greats like sOs, Inno or the other one who shall not be named: They were insanely good at some point, but never dominated a whole year. Looking at the BW banjos, that's basically how you get the "title".

It's a shame that Serral hasn't played at least one GSL, but I fully understand his decision to stay in the circuit. Moving to Korea is not suited for everyone, my impression of Serral is that he really likes practicing in his known environment.

Enough wall of text. Enjoy the finals. Both Serral and Stats are the best players of their respective races. Let's hope for a 4-3.
first we make expand, then we defense it.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-03 23:43:44
November 03 2018 23:41 GMT
#1298
On November 04 2018 08:38 Alchemik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2018 08:37 lolfail9001 wrote:
On November 04 2018 08:33 Tayar wrote:
i'm amazed that an event with 70,000 viewers can't sell a single ad to an outside company.

70k is a pitiful number for any advertiser outside of gaming industry tbh.

are you sure about that one

Yep. 70k when spread over entire western world (or even more) is just a pitiful number.

On November 04 2018 08:39 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2018 08:37 lolfail9001 wrote:
On November 04 2018 08:33 Tayar wrote:
i'm amazed that an event with 70,000 viewers can't sell a single ad to an outside company.

70k is a pitiful number for any advertiser outside of gaming industry tbh.

I'm pretty sure obscure TV channels sell adtime with much fewer viewers

It is more about territory. If it was 70k just in US alone or even a single state (EU or US), it would be way better for advertiser.
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Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28481 Posts
November 03 2018 23:41 GMT
#1299
On November 04 2018 08:39 HariSeldon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2018 08:39 Penev wrote:
On November 04 2018 08:37 HariSeldon wrote:
Will Serral solve global warming?

The Bonjwa, when declared, can literally do anything



He is the Messiah!

we were alive when the messiah finally returned HariSeldon, we are truly blessed
I Protoss winner, could it be?
virpi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany3598 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-03 23:41:55
November 03 2018 23:41 GMT
#1300
double post, delete
first we make expand, then we defense it.
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