EPTOn September 08 2018 16:20 Mun_Su wrote:
Is our period really considered highest skill area?
Is our period really considered highest skill area?
I wouldn't say so.
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
I wouldn't say so. | ||
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OhThatDang
United States4685 Posts
On September 08 2018 14:38 Latr02 wrote: Personally I find it a bit weird that for all the talk of the "highest skilled era" that Artosis and many other pushed in S1 that Artosis himself seems so... nonchalant about Maru now. If this truly is the highest skilled era of the game then shouldn't this player be appropriately caster hyped? They probably just hate the proxy play and you can tell they're not liking how popular it has become on the pro scene. It does become somewhat annoying after awhile but that's probably why he isn't hyped with maru as opposed to previous players, however, I do think Maru is the best there is | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15987 Posts
On September 08 2018 16:20 Mun_Su wrote: Is our period really considered highest skill area? Yes, all players are constantly improving regardless of age or practice environment. Kespa teams shutting down, tons of players retiring or getting old didn't slow their improvement down at all. The skill level was never as high as now. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15987 Posts
Next season Leenock? | ||
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IshinShishi
Japan6156 Posts
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Mun_Su
France2063 Posts
Well same, which downplay a little bit the year Maru have... coould he have won all these tournament with that level in 2014 or 2015... On September 08 2018 16:37 Charoisaur wrote: Yes, all players are constantly improving regardless of age or practice environment. Kespa teams shutting down, tons of players retiring or getting old didn't slow their improvement down at all. The skill level was never as high as now. Wow you look like triggered sir | ||
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outscar
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On September 08 2018 14:48 Charoisaur wrote: If Maru wins Blizzcon and GSL: Maru 5 Starleagues, Inno 4 Starleagues + 1 second place Maru 2 weekenders, Inno 4 weekenders, out of which Blizzcon for Maru and IEM Gyeonggi, WCS Season finals and GSL vs the World for Inno were tier 1 weekenders. WESG and IEM Gamescom tier 2 weekenders. Not to mention that more of Inno's achievements came during the Kespa era. I don't see how it's insane, seems very close to me. Take Blizzcon away and Inno is undoubtely ahead. The only difference between the two is that Inno seems to have a lot of haters who try to belittle his achievements but try to be objective for a moment and you'll see that Maru still has a long way to go. If you look purely at the number of tournaments won, then yeah INno and Maru are close. But that isn't everything. Maru is better in terms of dominance/streaks and consistancy. I don't think INno has even made consecutive ro8s in GSL while Maru might win three in a row. During the kespa era, they both won two starleagues, and dominated very hard in different seasons. While INno has a few more weekenders, Maru has way more of ro4/finals appearances and was more consistant. Speaking of being consistent, Maru didn't fall of the map when terran sucked. So many runs of being the only terran in the ro8 etc. At his worst during kespa he was still like the second best terran. None of that can be said for INno. And Maru was the proleague GOAT, don't forget about that. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On September 08 2018 18:43 Mun_Su wrote: Well same, which downplay a little bit the year Maru have... coould he have won all these tournament with that level in 2014 or 2015... 4/7 of INno's championships came after the post kespa era as well. I don't think Maru could have won like this is 2014 or 2015. But I don't think any terran could. The closest anyone came was actually Zest who won three korean events in 2014. I actually think Maru was mechanically better at points during HotS than he is now. His runs in late 2013/2014 and 2015 were sick but he didn't actually win much, just a slew of ro4 finishes and starleague or two. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15987 Posts
On September 08 2018 19:05 Fango wrote: If you look purely at the number of tournaments won, then yeah INno and Maru are close. But that isn't everything. Maru is better in terms of dominance/streaks and consistancy. I don't think INno has even made consecutive ro8s in GSL while Maru might win three in a row. During the kespa era, they both won two starleagues, and dominated very hard in different seasons. While INno has a few more weekenders, Maru has way more of ro4/finals appearances and was more consistant. Speaking of being consistent, Maru didn't fall of the map when terran sucked. So many runs of being the only terran in the ro8 etc. At his worst during kespa he was still like the second best terran. None of that can be said for INno. And Maru was the proleague GOAT, don't forget about that. In consistency Inno beats Maru for sure. At least 1 premier tournament every year since 2013 while Maru didn't do much in 2014, 2016 or 2017. And Inno has made in fact consecutive ro8s. 3 in a row in fact (4 if you count the 2013 OSL which was basically the replacement of GSL). Maru has way more of ro4/final appearances ro4 yes, but not finals. Excluding the finals they won both players have 2 additional final appearances | ||
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RKC
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rotta
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On September 08 2018 19:24 Charoisaur wrote: In consistency Inno beats Maru for sure. At least 1 premier tournament every year since 2013 while Maru didn't do much in 2014, 2016 or 2017. And Inno has made in fact consecutive ro8s. 3 in a row in fact (4 if you count the 2013 OSL which was basically the replacement of GSL). My mistake, I forget because some of them were in WoL. But still, INno only made consecutive ro8s once in 2013. Maru has done that countless times, even in seasons where there are no other terrans to be seen. Winning one tournament a year while flopping in between is not consistant. INno was underwhelming from late 2013 through most of 2014 until he won GSL at the end. 2015 was kinda average until (again) he won GSL at the end. 2016 he was not worth talking about until he won IEM in december. All of those wins came after some patch or change that made terran more dominant as well. Maru on the other hand made ro8/ro4/finals almost every season in korea (literally except one) from when he broke out in 2013 up till 2016. He was never worse than the second best terran. INno is great a lot of things, and there are plenty of arguments to be made that he's one of the GOATS. But consistancy is not one them. Consistancy accross years/expansions maybe, but not season by season. During the kespa era he was basically patch dependant, that alone puts Maru ahead of him in my eyes. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15987 Posts
If you try hard enough you can say this about any player. Maru's first OSL win came in a terran favored meta when nobody knew how to deal with widowmines. In 2015 he won SSL in a TvT finals (as the other races still struggled with the widow-mine re-buff) This year after the MSC removal he won the first GSL then when Protoss figured out how to defend without the MSC the Marauder got buffed which Maru abuses to the maximum. Maru isn't any less of a "Patch-terran" than Inno. He just doesn't have so many haters that try go belittle his achievements. Oh and Inno also made consecutive ro8s in 2014 season 3 to 2015 season 1. | ||
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
That's different from being the GOAT though. | ||
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
On September 08 2018 22:34 jalstar wrote: Maru is easily the most dominant. No one else has made every GSL finals in a year, or even came close. That's different from being the GOAT though. soO | ||
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
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TheDougler
Canada8304 Posts
 2018 StarCraft II World Championship Series Circuit/StandingsWho knows though, she's beat Serral before, hopefully she can do it again. Edit: Oops. Yeah, those games of Maru vs Zest were gross lol. Feels like I'm back in early 2011. | ||
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
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iamho
United States3347 Posts
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Not as insane as the Mvp cult but still 
