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Charoisaur
Germany16072 Posts
On September 08 2018 14:21 Anc13nt wrote: Yeah, I think he'll need to win this GSL and Blizzcon before he converts all of the non-believers. If Maru wins GSL AND Blizzcon he'd be close but I'd still give Inno a slight advantage. | ||
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Anc13nt
1557 Posts
On September 08 2018 14:24 Charoisaur wrote: Not even close. Most dominant player sure but in terms of overall accomplishments Inno is still well ahead of him. Yeah, as an Innovation fan, I would like to think that in terms of raw accomplishments, Innovation would still be greater even if Maru won this GSL. However, I feel like saying Innovation is greater than Maru based on that premise is kind of like saying Nada is greater than Flash, which is a legitimate opinion but definitely not the consensus. Edit: Consequently, I would take back the word "incontrovertible" but I would instead say that, if Maru wins this, he would be considered GOAT by most people. | ||
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Latr02
United States268 Posts
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On September 08 2018 14:20 The_Red_Viper wrote: Nah there is a cult around Mvp and no matter what current players do the cult of jürgen will never accept a new goat ever. Which is funny because even MMA has the same number of premier tournament championships and more top 4 premier finishes than Mvp. If Maru wins 3 GSLs in a row, he's definitely ahead of Mvp, who had a much shorter peak | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On September 08 2018 14:33 Charoisaur wrote: If Maru wins GSL AND Blizzcon he'd be close but I'd still give Inno a slight advantage. I think that's insane  Not as insane as the Mvp cult but still  On September 08 2018 14:38 Latr02 wrote: Personally I find it a bit weird that for all the talk of the "highest skilled era" that Artosis and many other pushed in S1 that Artosis himself seems so... nonchalant about Maru now. If this truly is the highest skilled era of the game then shouldn't this player be appropriately caster hyped? Yeah especially artosis seems to dislike maru somewhat, i still remember maru winning gsl s1 but artosis hyping rogue a lot more in season 2 for whatever reason. Maybe because Maru is cheesy? | ||
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Togekiss
Canada154 Posts
Personally I'm intrigued how one-sided Maru is managing to make a lot of these recent GSL series look against some of the best this world has to offer. PS: Oh yeah, most people would likely write it off altogether, but Maru's earnings will be far and away above everyone else if he takes this GSL + Blizzcon. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16072 Posts
On September 08 2018 14:39 The_Red_Viper wrote: I think that's insane Not as insane as the Mvp cult but still If Maru wins Blizzcon and GSL: Maru 5 Starleagues, Inno 4 Starleagues + 1 second place Maru 2 weekenders, Inno 4 weekenders, out of which Blizzcon for Maru and IEM Gyeonggi, WCS Season finals and GSL vs the World for Inno were tier 1 weekenders. WESG and IEM Gamescom tier 2 weekenders. Not to mention that more of Inno's achievements came during the Kespa era. I don't see how it's insane, seems very close to me. Take Blizzcon away and Inno is undoubtely ahead. The only difference between the two is that Inno seems to have a lot of haters who try to belittle his achievements but try to be objective for a moment and you'll see that Maru still has a long way to go. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On September 08 2018 14:48 Charoisaur wrote: If Maru wins Blizzcon: Maru 5 Starleagues, Inno 4 Starleagues + 1 second place Maru 2 weekenders, Inno 4 weekenders, out of which Blizzcon for Maru and IEM Gyeonggi, WCS Season finals and GSL vs the World for Inno were tier 1 weekenders. WESG and IEM Gamescom tier 2 weekenders. I don't see how it's insane, seems very close to me. Take Blizzcon away and Inno is undoubtely ahead. The only difference between the two is that Inno seems to have a lot of haters who try to belittle his achievements but try to be objective for a moment and you'll see that Maru has still a long way to go. If you only look at tournament wins maybe, but that is way too simplistic + we have to add proleague as well. | ||
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Mun_Su
France2063 Posts
@Charoisaur : very true | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16072 Posts
On September 08 2018 14:50 The_Red_Viper wrote: If you only look at tournament wins maybe, but that is way too simplistic + we have to add proleague as well. They were both insane in Proleague so it won't really favor anyone. What else should be looked at? ro4/ro8 finishes? There Maru has probably a slight advantage but not enough to put him clearly above Inno | ||
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Odoakar
Croatia1837 Posts
also, i hope this proxy meta can be countered by something and players stop doing it. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On September 08 2018 14:53 Charoisaur wrote: They were both insane in Proleague so it won't really favor anyone. What else should be looked at? ro4/ro8 finishes? There Maru has probably a slight advantage but not enough to put him clearly above Inno Depends how you value ro4/ro8 finishes. Proleague is close indeed, but maru still has a slight edge there. I will give you that "insane" might have been a strong word though. | ||
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ValM
India408 Posts
On September 08 2018 14:33 Charoisaur wrote: If Maru wins GSL AND Blizzcon he'd be close but I'd still give Inno a slight advantage. I dunno if that was sarcastic.... | ||
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xelnaga_empire
627 Posts
If Maru wins this GSL and Blizzcon, then Innovation and Maru will be close for GOAT. But Maru needs to win both. Even if Maru loses this GSL and wins Blizzcon, I would still consider Innovation to be the GOAT. | ||
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dummy1
420 Posts
On September 08 2018 15:18 xelnaga_empire wrote: Even if Maru wins this GSL, he will not be GOAT. Before this year, Maru won OSL in 2013, and SSL in 2015. So that's 1 OSL, 1 SSL, and 2 GSLs so far for Maru. He did win Proleague in 2016 and he has always performed in Proleague. Having said that, Innovation has won more Proleague titles than Maru and Innovation has always performed in Proleague as well. If Maru wins this GSL and Blizzcon, then Innovation and Maru will be close for GOAT. But Maru needs to win both. Even if Maru loses this GSL and wins Blizzcon, I would still consider Innovation to be the GOAT. Dude, go and ride a pony. | ||
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xelnaga_empire
627 Posts
What's wrong with you? This is my opinion. You have your opinion too. Relax and breathe in. Get a chill pill. | ||
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dummy1
420 Posts
On September 08 2018 15:47 xelnaga_empire wrote: What's wrong with you? This is my opinion. You have your opinion too. Relax and breathe in. Get a chill pill. My Apologies.Ok Ok. I'm just tired to read so many goats-not-goats-because. It doesn't get it better for starcraft. | ||
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
On September 08 2018 14:21 Anc13nt wrote: Yeah, I think he'll need to win this GSL and Blizzcon before he converts all of the non-believers. not all of them | ||
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GreasedUpDeafGuy
United States398 Posts
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Mun_Su
France2063 Posts
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