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 Maru 4-2  Zest May this series at least be better than their last encounter, as I'd honestly argue that that became the new worst GSL final of all time. | ||
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FataLe
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On September 07 2018 20:04 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Maru 4-2 Zest May this series at least be better than their last encounter, as I'd honestly argue that that became the new worst GSL final of all time. not even close. daddy nestea's bopping of forgotten son losira is the goat | ||
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Die4Ever
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On September 08 2018 06:32 FataLe wrote: not even close. daddy nestea's bopping of forgotten son losira is the goat I did a little viewing party at my friend's house for the NesTea vs Inca GSL final, they were not entertained | ||
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On September 08 2018 06:32 FataLe wrote: not even close. daddy nestea's bopping of forgotten son losira is the goat Nope. Nestea vs Losira at least had 1 remotely good game (game 1). Also had some cool new tactics from Nestea at the time that were pretty big as far as ZvZ goes (remember the mass overseers?). == Maru vs Zest loses on all fronts. It was unremarkable, short, and incredibly one-sided. Depending on how you judge the 2011 Super Tournament it doesn't even get the distinction of being the first consecutive finals win. I think the biggest reason it sucks is if you look at it in the context of who Maru and Zest are. Two players who have met numerous times and have fought hard to be considered among the top 10 GOATs. While Maru was a clear favorite going into it, you would think given Zest's ability he would've risen to the occassion and scraped something together to give us at least 1 competitive game. But no, instead he got btfo. It was a colossal disappointment. On September 08 2018 11:06 Die4Ever wrote: I did a little viewing party at my friend's house for the NesTea vs Inca GSL final, they were not entertained I even liked that final a little more than Maru vs Zest. Sure the gameplay was of even lower quality from Inca, but on a comedic level it's a total classic. It forever associated Inca with DTs, even to this day. | ||
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2: GSL 3-peat. 3: WCS 2018 Finals. The Prince has come of age. The throne has been without a King for far too long... | ||
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This is my hope. I want Maru to keep looking like he's in a league of his own. | ||
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On September 08 2018 13:03 Psychonian wrote: Artosis is implying that there will be a 10 minutes into game 1. Yeah Artosis likes to joke around from time to time | ||
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Psychonian
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Then again, I'm not sure who else he could practice with | ||
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On September 08 2018 13:04 Die4Ever wrote: "any terran can do the stuff that TY did", lol That kid has no chill | ||
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Psychonian
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(2862) Maru 0-0 Zest (2807) Estimated by Aligulac. Modify. Aligulac has balls | ||
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any terran can play like that which is why I'm also going to play like that | ||
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On September 08 2018 13:12 starkiller123 wrote: so much starcraft today and ill be watching the KSL finals after this lol Same! GSL, KSL and way later wcs | ||
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starkiller123
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and ill probably be watching LCK finals tonight so no sleep lol, so much esports this weekend | ||
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On September 08 2018 13:14 starkiller123 wrote: and ill probably be watching LCK finals tonight so no sleep lol, so much esports this weekend Thankfully i am not into league (anymore) but maybe i will start the stream and cheer for KT in another game :D | ||
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On September 08 2018 13:15 The_Red_Viper wrote: Thankfully i am not into league (anymore) but maybe i will start the stream and cheer for KT in another game :D its something i kinda recently got into, its entertaining enough i guess. I have fun watching koreans smash everyone else come worlds | ||
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On September 08 2018 13:20 starkiller123 wrote: its something i kinda recently got into, its entertaining enough i guess. I have fun watching koreans smash everyone else come worlds Koreans only usually win in League, not always win, so you might be disappointed (but probably not). | ||
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On September 08 2018 13:24 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Koreans only usually win in League, not always win, so you might be disappointed (but probably not). really its more about the na and eu teams failing, which is a constant in league lol. Im fine with China winning too | ||
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On September 08 2018 13:27 Psychonian wrote: aligulac now says a 4-0 is the most likely outcome lmfao Was it ever not? On September 08 2018 13:27 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Gotta feel bad for the people who came to watch this live They knew what they were showing up to. | ||
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Weavel
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On September 08 2018 13:26 JimmyJRaynor wrote: Avilo is right that Terrans usually have hard time against protoss. I mean "Just play like Maru" is a meme. but Avilo told me that Terran can't beat Protoss. it must be because the series is fixed. | ||
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On September 08 2018 13:26 Isualin wrote: wow maru is on form today Like 3-0 Gumiho, 2-0 Zest... 5 games in which he hasn't broken a sweat yet. | ||
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Bagration
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On September 08 2018 13:27 Psychonian wrote: aligulac now says a 4-0 is the most likely outcome lmfao Should've had it from the beginning, but better late than never haha | ||
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On September 08 2018 13:26 Isualin wrote: wow maru is on form today He's been on form all year - right now him and Serral have dominated the SC2 scene in a way that we've never seen in SC2 before. | ||
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On September 08 2018 13:27 Kommander wrote: This is why I wanted Stats to win against Zest. Stats actually had a chance to knock Maru out. Zest just dies to Maru. yeah i really think Stats is much much better than Zest in both pvz and pvt right now, a shame | ||
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On September 08 2018 13:28 starkiller123 wrote: and dear god yet another not even close game, its weird cause its a little hard to tell what Maru does different than other terrans in games like these. I guess just near perfect micro combined with near perfect macro with near perfect scouting and near perfect reactions: he doesn't take the third? I don't take my third and win. | ||
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Psychonian
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On September 08 2018 13:29 swarminfestor wrote: maru will 4-0 zest. The sky is blue. | ||
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neutralrobot
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On September 08 2018 13:27 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Gotta feel bad for the people who came to watch this live Why? This is exactly what I would come for if I was in the audience. Let's just watch Maru crush motherfuckers, hell yeah! Haha. | ||
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Psychonian
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On September 08 2018 13:30 litLikeBic wrote: bit late to the party, i see maru's already taken 2 within the first 15-20 min -- proxy raxes? were the games any good? The games were good because of sheer hilarity of how badly Zest is getting destroyed. | ||
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On September 08 2018 13:30 litLikeBic wrote: Mbit late to the party, i see maru's already taken 2 within the first 15-20 min -- proxy raxes? were the games any good? well i am laughing my arse off, Maru makes Zest look like a bronzie honestly | ||
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On September 08 2018 13:31 RKC wrote: It's okay, guys. This is just the opening act to KSL finals. Maru should do the battlecruiser build he did at the Asian games. Because like that there won't be a 2h30min gap between the opening act and KSL. | ||
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On September 08 2018 13:35 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: New idea, Terran have to build roads between their buildings from their CCs and it costs lots of money to proxy Maru would still do it. | ||
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On September 08 2018 13:35 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: New idea, Terran have to build roads between their buildings from their CCs and it costs lots of money to proxy And they need wood and bricks to build roads #SettlersOfKorhal | ||
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Isualin
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On September 08 2018 13:37 Isualin wrote: i think maru is overextending with the building locations this time welp i was so wrong lol | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
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this is insane. There is like no improvement from the last encounter, which was the worst finals ever xD | ||
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On September 08 2018 13:39 Weavel wrote: Has Maru lost even 1 widowmine this series? Yes | ||
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If Zest meets Maru, it's an auto-forfeit | ||
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On September 08 2018 13:39 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: LMAO this is insane. There is like no improvement from the last encounter, which was the worst finals ever xD Nothing could possibly be worse than Inca DT rushing Nestea 4 times in a row and failing every time. | ||
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Weavel
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On September 08 2018 13:41 SaffronSage wrote: Yeah that was hilarious. Haha, that crowd reaction at the proxy. They're not even excited, they're getting pissed | ||
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On September 08 2018 13:41 Kommander wrote: TvP in 2018 LOL You mean Maru in 2018 | ||
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On September 08 2018 13:41 Solar424 wrote: Nothing could possibly be worse than Inca DT rushing Nestea 4 times in a row and failing every time. What were you saying about DTs? | ||
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On September 08 2018 13:44 Isualin wrote: no shenanigans from maru this time There were though, he cancelled the proxy | ||
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a competitive game?! Officially better than their GSL final now | ||
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On September 08 2018 13:48 litLikeBic wrote: wasn't zest the best PvT in the world for a long time? he might still be | ||
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Check Maru proxy first, then you will win. | ||
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On September 08 2018 13:53 Weavel wrote: Woah GSL wubwubwub song. Remember Mind Time? | ||
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 2018 WCS Montreal/Playoffs | ||
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On September 08 2018 13:55 Die4Ever wrote: new WCS bracket is up https://liquipedia.net/starcraft2/2018_WCS_Montreal/Playoffs Serral-Neeb finals let's go | ||
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On September 08 2018 13:55 Die4Ever wrote: new WCS bracket is up https://liquipedia.net/starcraft2/2018_WCS_Montreal/Playoffs Oof. Reynor-Neeb so early... | ||
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On September 08 2018 13:55 Die4Ever wrote: new WCS bracket is up https://liquipedia.net/starcraft2/2018_WCS_Montreal/Playoffs It's better (though it could hardly have gotten worse). Neeb vs Serral is the finals we all deserve (as long as it isn't anything like their WESG series). | ||
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On September 08 2018 13:55 Die4Ever wrote: new WCS bracket is up https://liquipedia.net/starcraft2/2018_WCS_Montreal/Playoffs Much better. Serral vs Neeb in the quarters is a travesty, and Reynor vs Showtime when they were in the same group made zero sense. Glad they fixed it. | ||
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On September 08 2018 14:00 Bagration wrote: Why wouldn't Maru proxy when he can get caught and not fall too far behind. He's like Steph Curry with his 3's -> it's potentially game breaking, in a great way Don't forget he missed tons of shots for charity. | ||
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On September 08 2018 14:08 geokilla wrote: So many mines. I didn't know this was a viable build. last year maru's tvp consisted of just dropping widow mines until the protoss died | ||
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First TvT finals since...MMA vs Mvp o.o | ||
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On September 08 2018 14:11 nosink_ wrote: So boring, honestly one of the worst series i have ever seen in GSL Sad thing is...it was a lot better than their last encounter xD | ||
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On September 08 2018 14:12 Bagration wrote: As Reddit would say, Maru boomed him "He's so good." Zest said, repeating it 4 times. | ||
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On September 08 2018 14:11 nosink_ wrote: So boring, honestly one of the worst series i have ever seen in GSL I laughed really hard at it, shame it wasnt a bo69 tho | ||
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On September 08 2018 14:11 nosink_ wrote: So boring, honestly one of the worst series i have ever seen in GSL You lost your kid's heart, it was amazing | ||
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On September 08 2018 14:11 neutralrobot wrote: Jesus christ, Zest's defense was that good for that long and he still lost. Terran has like a million ways to cripple Protoss's economy. Liberators, Widow Mines, Hellions, Regular drops. Maru abuses it too well | ||
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On September 08 2018 14:13 Argonauta wrote: I laughed really hard at it, shame it wasnt a bo69 tho The last Bo69 we had (PartinG vs TOP) averaged about as many proxies as this series, though it wasn't quite as one-sided. | ||
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On September 08 2018 14:13 Solar424 wrote: "He's so good." Zest said, repeating it 4 times. Zest then said he wanted to add Maru to the list of players who eliminates him from the next GSL | ||
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On September 08 2018 14:18 Anc13nt wrote: If Maru wins this one, I think it's pretty much incontrovertible that he is the GOAT. Nah there is a cult around Mvp and no matter what current players do the cult of jürgen will never accept a new goat ever. | ||
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On September 08 2018 14:17 Latr02 wrote: Maru's sense and seemingly just luck sometimes is crazy. Even the game he lost could have ended a lot earlier if he didn't catch the Inca trying to sneak into his main. Honestly that game was mercy, Zest didnt have enough stalkers to stop a dedicated doom drop and Maru was up 20 army supply prior to engagement. | ||
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On September 08 2018 14:21 Anc13nt wrote: Yeah, I think he'll need to win this GSL and Blizzcon before he converts all of the non-believers. Nah i am serious, they will never accept anyone other than Mvp. I am with you though, Maru winning this GSL should make it clear and for me personally Maru is already the goat | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/4WinU34.png) Looking forward to the finals!. | ||
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On September 08 2018 14:18 Anc13nt wrote: If Maru wins this one, I think it's pretty much incontrovertible that he is the GOAT. Not even close. Most dominant player sure but in terms of overall accomplishments Inno is still well ahead of him. | ||
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repomaniak
Poland324 Posts
GSL audience non kr GSL Audience GSL Artosis maru = screwdriver GSL Artosis fix starcraft 2 GSL tastosis throw a dart ... GSL Artosis yeah its starting to look like that GSL maru interview GSL Artosis fixing starcraft 2 #2 | ||
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
On September 08 2018 14:25 Noonius wrote: I tune in and stream is offline, is it over? Yeah, Maru bopped him. | ||
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany15880 Posts
On September 08 2018 14:21 Anc13nt wrote: Yeah, I think he'll need to win this GSL and Blizzcon before he converts all of the non-believers. If Maru wins GSL AND Blizzcon he'd be close but I'd still give Inno a slight advantage. | ||
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Anc13nt
1557 Posts
On September 08 2018 14:24 Charoisaur wrote: Not even close. Most dominant player sure but in terms of overall accomplishments Inno is still well ahead of him. Yeah, as an Innovation fan, I would like to think that in terms of raw accomplishments, Innovation would still be greater even if Maru won this GSL. However, I feel like saying Innovation is greater than Maru based on that premise is kind of like saying Nada is greater than Flash, which is a legitimate opinion but definitely not the consensus. Edit: Consequently, I would take back the word "incontrovertible" but I would instead say that, if Maru wins this, he would be considered GOAT by most people. | ||
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Latr02
United States268 Posts
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On September 08 2018 14:20 The_Red_Viper wrote: Nah there is a cult around Mvp and no matter what current players do the cult of jürgen will never accept a new goat ever. Which is funny because even MMA has the same number of premier tournament championships and more top 4 premier finishes than Mvp. If Maru wins 3 GSLs in a row, he's definitely ahead of Mvp, who had a much shorter peak | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On September 08 2018 14:33 Charoisaur wrote: If Maru wins GSL AND Blizzcon he'd be close but I'd still give Inno a slight advantage. I think that's insane Not as insane as the Mvp cult but still On September 08 2018 14:38 Latr02 wrote: Personally I find it a bit weird that for all the talk of the "highest skilled era" that Artosis and many other pushed in S1 that Artosis himself seems so... nonchalant about Maru now. If this truly is the highest skilled era of the game then shouldn't this player be appropriately caster hyped? Yeah especially artosis seems to dislike maru somewhat, i still remember maru winning gsl s1 but artosis hyping rogue a lot more in season 2 for whatever reason. Maybe because Maru is cheesy? | ||
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Togekiss
Canada154 Posts
Personally I'm intrigued how one-sided Maru is managing to make a lot of these recent GSL series look against some of the best this world has to offer. PS: Oh yeah, most people would likely write it off altogether, but Maru's earnings will be far and away above everyone else if he takes this GSL + Blizzcon. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15880 Posts
On September 08 2018 14:39 The_Red_Viper wrote: I think that's insane Not as insane as the Mvp cult but still If Maru wins Blizzcon and GSL: Maru 5 Starleagues, Inno 4 Starleagues + 1 second place Maru 2 weekenders, Inno 4 weekenders, out of which Blizzcon for Maru and IEM Gyeonggi, WCS Season finals and GSL vs the World for Inno were tier 1 weekenders. WESG and IEM Gamescom tier 2 weekenders. Not to mention that more of Inno's achievements came during the Kespa era. I don't see how it's insane, seems very close to me. Take Blizzcon away and Inno is undoubtely ahead. The only difference between the two is that Inno seems to have a lot of haters who try to belittle his achievements but try to be objective for a moment and you'll see that Maru still has a long way to go. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On September 08 2018 14:48 Charoisaur wrote: If Maru wins Blizzcon: Maru 5 Starleagues, Inno 4 Starleagues + 1 second place Maru 2 weekenders, Inno 4 weekenders, out of which Blizzcon for Maru and IEM Gyeonggi, WCS Season finals and GSL vs the World for Inno were tier 1 weekenders. WESG and IEM Gamescom tier 2 weekenders. I don't see how it's insane, seems very close to me. Take Blizzcon away and Inno is undoubtely ahead. The only difference between the two is that Inno seems to have a lot of haters who try to belittle his achievements but try to be objective for a moment and you'll see that Maru has still a long way to go. If you only look at tournament wins maybe, but that is way too simplistic + we have to add proleague as well. | ||
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Mun_Su
France2063 Posts
@Charoisaur : very true | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15880 Posts
On September 08 2018 14:50 The_Red_Viper wrote: If you only look at tournament wins maybe, but that is way too simplistic + we have to add proleague as well. They were both insane in Proleague so it won't really favor anyone. What else should be looked at? ro4/ro8 finishes? There Maru has probably a slight advantage but not enough to put him clearly above Inno | ||
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Odoakar
Croatia1835 Posts
also, i hope this proxy meta can be countered by something and players stop doing it. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On September 08 2018 14:53 Charoisaur wrote: They were both insane in Proleague so it won't really favor anyone. What else should be looked at? ro4/ro8 finishes? There Maru has probably a slight advantage but not enough to put him clearly above Inno Depends how you value ro4/ro8 finishes. Proleague is close indeed, but maru still has a slight edge there. I will give you that "insane" might have been a strong word though. | ||
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ValM
India408 Posts
On September 08 2018 14:33 Charoisaur wrote: If Maru wins GSL AND Blizzcon he'd be close but I'd still give Inno a slight advantage. I dunno if that was sarcastic.... | ||
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xelnaga_empire
627 Posts
If Maru wins this GSL and Blizzcon, then Innovation and Maru will be close for GOAT. But Maru needs to win both. Even if Maru loses this GSL and wins Blizzcon, I would still consider Innovation to be the GOAT. | ||
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dummy1
420 Posts
On September 08 2018 15:18 xelnaga_empire wrote: Even if Maru wins this GSL, he will not be GOAT. Before this year, Maru won OSL in 2013, and SSL in 2015. So that's 1 OSL, 1 SSL, and 2 GSLs so far for Maru. He did win Proleague in 2016 and he has always performed in Proleague. Having said that, Innovation has won more Proleague titles than Maru and Innovation has always performed in Proleague as well. If Maru wins this GSL and Blizzcon, then Innovation and Maru will be close for GOAT. But Maru needs to win both. Even if Maru loses this GSL and wins Blizzcon, I would still consider Innovation to be the GOAT. Dude, go and ride a pony. | ||
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xelnaga_empire
627 Posts
What's wrong with you? This is my opinion. You have your opinion too. Relax and breathe in. Get a chill pill. | ||
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dummy1
420 Posts
On September 08 2018 15:47 xelnaga_empire wrote: What's wrong with you? This is my opinion. You have your opinion too. Relax and breathe in. Get a chill pill. My Apologies.Ok Ok. I'm just tired to read so many goats-not-goats-because. It doesn't get it better for starcraft. | ||
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
On September 08 2018 14:21 Anc13nt wrote: Yeah, I think he'll need to win this GSL and Blizzcon before he converts all of the non-believers. not all of them | ||
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GreasedUpDeafGuy
United States398 Posts
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Mun_Su
France2063 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On September 08 2018 16:20 Mun_Su wrote: Is our period really considered highest skill area? I wouldn't say so. | ||
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OhThatDang
United States4685 Posts
On September 08 2018 14:38 Latr02 wrote: Personally I find it a bit weird that for all the talk of the "highest skilled era" that Artosis and many other pushed in S1 that Artosis himself seems so... nonchalant about Maru now. If this truly is the highest skilled era of the game then shouldn't this player be appropriately caster hyped? They probably just hate the proxy play and you can tell they're not liking how popular it has become on the pro scene. It does become somewhat annoying after awhile but that's probably why he isn't hyped with maru as opposed to previous players, however, I do think Maru is the best there is | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15880 Posts
On September 08 2018 16:20 Mun_Su wrote: Is our period really considered highest skill area? Yes, all players are constantly improving regardless of age or practice environment. Kespa teams shutting down, tons of players retiring or getting old didn't slow their improvement down at all. The skill level was never as high as now. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15880 Posts
Next season Leenock? | ||
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IshinShishi
Japan6156 Posts
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Mun_Su
France2063 Posts
Well same, which downplay a little bit the year Maru have... coould he have won all these tournament with that level in 2014 or 2015... On September 08 2018 16:37 Charoisaur wrote: Yes, all players are constantly improving regardless of age or practice environment. Kespa teams shutting down, tons of players retiring or getting old didn't slow their improvement down at all. The skill level was never as high as now. Wow you look like triggered sir | ||
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outscar
2832 Posts
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On September 08 2018 14:48 Charoisaur wrote: If Maru wins Blizzcon and GSL: Maru 5 Starleagues, Inno 4 Starleagues + 1 second place Maru 2 weekenders, Inno 4 weekenders, out of which Blizzcon for Maru and IEM Gyeonggi, WCS Season finals and GSL vs the World for Inno were tier 1 weekenders. WESG and IEM Gamescom tier 2 weekenders. Not to mention that more of Inno's achievements came during the Kespa era. I don't see how it's insane, seems very close to me. Take Blizzcon away and Inno is undoubtely ahead. The only difference between the two is that Inno seems to have a lot of haters who try to belittle his achievements but try to be objective for a moment and you'll see that Maru still has a long way to go. If you look purely at the number of tournaments won, then yeah INno and Maru are close. But that isn't everything. Maru is better in terms of dominance/streaks and consistancy. I don't think INno has even made consecutive ro8s in GSL while Maru might win three in a row. During the kespa era, they both won two starleagues, and dominated very hard in different seasons. While INno has a few more weekenders, Maru has way more of ro4/finals appearances and was more consistant. Speaking of being consistent, Maru didn't fall of the map when terran sucked. So many runs of being the only terran in the ro8 etc. At his worst during kespa he was still like the second best terran. None of that can be said for INno. And Maru was the proleague GOAT, don't forget about that. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On September 08 2018 18:43 Mun_Su wrote: Well same, which downplay a little bit the year Maru have... coould he have won all these tournament with that level in 2014 or 2015... 4/7 of INno's championships came after the post kespa era as well. I don't think Maru could have won like this is 2014 or 2015. But I don't think any terran could. The closest anyone came was actually Zest who won three korean events in 2014. I actually think Maru was mechanically better at points during HotS than he is now. His runs in late 2013/2014 and 2015 were sick but he didn't actually win much, just a slew of ro4 finishes and starleague or two. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15880 Posts
On September 08 2018 19:05 Fango wrote: If you look purely at the number of tournaments won, then yeah INno and Maru are close. But that isn't everything. Maru is better in terms of dominance/streaks and consistancy. I don't think INno has even made consecutive ro8s in GSL while Maru might win three in a row. During the kespa era, they both won two starleagues, and dominated very hard in different seasons. While INno has a few more weekenders, Maru has way more of ro4/finals appearances and was more consistant. Speaking of being consistent, Maru didn't fall of the map when terran sucked. So many runs of being the only terran in the ro8 etc. At his worst during kespa he was still like the second best terran. None of that can be said for INno. And Maru was the proleague GOAT, don't forget about that. In consistency Inno beats Maru for sure. At least 1 premier tournament every year since 2013 while Maru didn't do much in 2014, 2016 or 2017. And Inno has made in fact consecutive ro8s. 3 in a row in fact (4 if you count the 2013 OSL which was basically the replacement of GSL). Maru has way more of ro4/final appearances ro4 yes, but not finals. Excluding the finals they won both players have 2 additional final appearances | ||
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RKC
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rotta
5582 Posts
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On September 08 2018 19:24 Charoisaur wrote: In consistency Inno beats Maru for sure. At least 1 premier tournament every year since 2013 while Maru didn't do much in 2014, 2016 or 2017. And Inno has made in fact consecutive ro8s. 3 in a row in fact (4 if you count the 2013 OSL which was basically the replacement of GSL). My mistake, I forget because some of them were in WoL. But still, INno only made consecutive ro8s once in 2013. Maru has done that countless times, even in seasons where there are no other terrans to be seen. Winning one tournament a year while flopping in between is not consistant. INno was underwhelming from late 2013 through most of 2014 until he won GSL at the end. 2015 was kinda average until (again) he won GSL at the end. 2016 he was not worth talking about until he won IEM in december. All of those wins came after some patch or change that made terran more dominant as well. Maru on the other hand made ro8/ro4/finals almost every season in korea (literally except one) from when he broke out in 2013 up till 2016. He was never worse than the second best terran. INno is great a lot of things, and there are plenty of arguments to be made that he's one of the GOATS. But consistancy is not one them. Consistancy accross years/expansions maybe, but not season by season. During the kespa era he was basically patch dependant, that alone puts Maru ahead of him in my eyes. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15880 Posts
If you try hard enough you can say this about any player. Maru's first OSL win came in a terran favored meta when nobody knew how to deal with widowmines. In 2015 he won SSL in a TvT finals (as the other races still struggled with the widow-mine re-buff) This year after the MSC removal he won the first GSL then when Protoss figured out how to defend without the MSC the Marauder got buffed which Maru abuses to the maximum. Maru isn't any less of a "Patch-terran" than Inno. He just doesn't have so many haters that try go belittle his achievements. Oh and Inno also made consecutive ro8s in 2014 season 3 to 2015 season 1. | ||
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
That's different from being the GOAT though. | ||
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Durnuu
13319 Posts
On September 08 2018 22:34 jalstar wrote: Maru is easily the most dominant. No one else has made every GSL finals in a year, or even came close. That's different from being the GOAT though. soO | ||
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
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TheDougler
Canada8302 Posts
2018 StarCraft II World Championship Series Circuit/StandingsWho knows though, she's beat Serral before, hopefully she can do it again. Edit: Oops. Yeah, those games of Maru vs Zest were gross lol. Feels like I'm back in early 2011. | ||
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
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iamho
United States3347 Posts
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seemsgood
5527 Posts
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On September 09 2018 01:15 TheDougler wrote: Edit: Oops. Yeah, those games of Maru vs Zest were gross lol. Feels like I'm back in early 2011. Not even that tbh, this is some 2010 shit. It's like we've come full-circle | ||
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ValM
India408 Posts
On September 09 2018 16:21 seemsgood wrote: i voted TY for the winner of this season.Jin Air players won wayyyyyyy too much trophies and it needs to be stahped Never got this logic. You can cheer and support your favorite but seems toxic and salty cheering for someone to lose just because they have won a lot already...they won because they were better. | ||
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