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[WCS 2018] DreamHack Austin - Round of 16 - Page 6

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yangluphil
Profile Joined July 2015
318 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-02 18:13:21
June 02 2018 18:12 GMT
#101
Probably a meme strat but does anyone ever try to use droplords to constantly drop a few ravagers to snipe eggs between bases?
Neither party will be missed.
Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
June 02 2018 18:13 GMT
#102
On June 03 2018 03:12 yangluphil wrote:
Probably a meme strat but does anyone ever try to use droplords to constantly drop a few ravagers to snipe eggs between bases.


I imagine queens would just laugh at that
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17740 Posts
June 02 2018 18:14 GMT
#103
On June 03 2018 03:12 yangluphil wrote:
Probably a meme strat but does anyone ever try to use droplords to constantly drop a few ravagers to snipe eggs between bases?

Sounds like something TLO would try, and then lose
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Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28535 Posts
June 02 2018 18:16 GMT
#104
can't wait for the PvP
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
June 02 2018 18:16 GMT
#105
On June 03 2018 03:12 yangluphil wrote:
Probably a meme strat but does anyone ever try to use droplords to constantly drop a few ravagers to snipe eggs between bases?

Takes 4 biles to 1 shot an egg, that's 4 ravager=400/400 + overlord speed = 500/500. Even assuming you wouldn't lose the droperlord to queens, you just can't afford that.
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
June 02 2018 18:17 GMT
#106
On June 03 2018 03:07 yangluphil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2018 03:03 Fango wrote:
On June 03 2018 03:00 yangluphil wrote:
On June 03 2018 02:53 Ej_ wrote:
On June 03 2018 02:50 yangluphil wrote:
The new patch does not nerf aggressive PvT styles that much, but it's made mid to late game unplayable for protosses. It was already pretty bad for either PvT or TvP. Just look up Neeb, ShowTime, Stats, Trap's PvT records, and Bogus' TvP. Now it's completely one sided for Terrans.

The real problem which was that the MU was completely early game dominated, is not addressed and I expect Classic/Zest/herO to continue their PvT streaks. Though their window for carrying early game advantages over to mid-late game will be shortened.

This is what happens when you address a matchup design problem with a balance patch.

So what race is OP? Terran? Protoss? Is it Zerg?

Between January and February, protoss was op in PvT and Zerg was op in ZvP. Since then Protoss was op in early PvT and terran was op in early TvP. Terran was op in late game TvZ. For this patch, I think terran is op in TvP but protosses seem to figure out PvZ so they might be slightly advantageous in that MU. Can't say too much for TvZ for now, but I would guess it's in good shape.


But none of it matters because Serral will win Austin and Rogue will win GSL regardless

It matters. Rogue would not be able to take down Maru in a GSL bo7 set up in the last patch. IEM was totally different as in Maru did not know he would fight Rogue and there was no time for him to prepare for or adjust to Rogue's all ins. Rogue admitted he could not win lategame ZvT vs Maru. But yeah patch does not matter for who will win WCS, unless they hammer down Zerg with a major patch (undeserved imo).

When Rogue beat Maru in a bo5 pre patch, the two games Maru won were ones that didn't go late (he won g1 with marine pressure, and g2 with cheese).

The raven nerf would change nothing in that series. If anything it would have helped Maru, because it means he'll have to play aggressive and not turtle to lategame. The two games he won vs Rogue were him being hyper aggressive in the early game, not turtling.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
yangluphil
Profile Joined July 2015
318 Posts
June 02 2018 18:17 GMT
#107
On June 03 2018 03:13 Zaros wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2018 03:12 yangluphil wrote:
Probably a meme strat but does anyone ever try to use droplords to constantly drop a few ravagers to snipe eggs between bases.


I imagine queens would just laugh at that

drop ravagers on the edge of the base, let ravagers walk to the base and fire, then come back to be picked up by droplords waiting at the edge. Queen would have to chase ravagers to the edge and then may be able to fire a few volleys at the the droplords, missing injects without killing anything.

Neither party will be missed.
yangluphil
Profile Joined July 2015
318 Posts
June 02 2018 18:18 GMT
#108
On June 03 2018 03:16 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2018 03:12 yangluphil wrote:
Probably a meme strat but does anyone ever try to use droplords to constantly drop a few ravagers to snipe eggs between bases?

Takes 4 biles to 1 shot an egg, that's 4 ravager=400/400 + overlord speed = 500/500. Even assuming you wouldn't lose the droperlord to queens, you just can't afford that.

Meme confirmed.
Neither party will be missed.
yangluphil
Profile Joined July 2015
318 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-02 18:24:15
June 02 2018 18:23 GMT
#109
On June 03 2018 03:17 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2018 03:07 yangluphil wrote:
On June 03 2018 03:03 Fango wrote:
On June 03 2018 03:00 yangluphil wrote:
On June 03 2018 02:53 Ej_ wrote:
On June 03 2018 02:50 yangluphil wrote:
The new patch does not nerf aggressive PvT styles that much, but it's made mid to late game unplayable for protosses. It was already pretty bad for either PvT or TvP. Just look up Neeb, ShowTime, Stats, Trap's PvT records, and Bogus' TvP. Now it's completely one sided for Terrans.

The real problem which was that the MU was completely early game dominated, is not addressed and I expect Classic/Zest/herO to continue their PvT streaks. Though their window for carrying early game advantages over to mid-late game will be shortened.

This is what happens when you address a matchup design problem with a balance patch.

So what race is OP? Terran? Protoss? Is it Zerg?

Between January and February, protoss was op in PvT and Zerg was op in ZvP. Since then Protoss was op in early PvT and terran was op in early TvP. Terran was op in late game TvZ. For this patch, I think terran is op in TvP but protosses seem to figure out PvZ so they might be slightly advantageous in that MU. Can't say too much for TvZ for now, but I would guess it's in good shape.


But none of it matters because Serral will win Austin and Rogue will win GSL regardless

It matters. Rogue would not be able to take down Maru in a GSL bo7 set up in the last patch. IEM was totally different as in Maru did not know he would fight Rogue and there was no time for him to prepare for or adjust to Rogue's all ins. Rogue admitted he could not win lategame ZvT vs Maru. But yeah patch does not matter for who will win WCS, unless they hammer down Zerg with a major patch (undeserved imo).

When Rogue beat Maru in a bo5 pre patch, the two games Maru won were ones that didn't go late (he won g1 with marine pressure, and g2 with cheese).

The raven nerf would change nothing in that series. If anything it would have helped Maru, because it means he'll have to play aggressive and not turtle to lategame. The two games he won vs Rogue were him being hyper aggressive in the early game, not turtling.

good point on raven nerf being relevant in that particular series. I think Rogue was saying he just wasn't good in ZvT since he let himself go since winning blizzcon so he had to cheese.
Neither party will be missed.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
June 02 2018 18:31 GMT
#110
don't be tricked into thinking this is an upset
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Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28535 Posts
June 02 2018 18:33 GMT
#111
On June 03 2018 03:31 Shellshock wrote:
don't be tricked into thinking this is an upset

lambo is the real thing
I Protoss winner, could it be?
DBooN
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2727 Posts
June 02 2018 18:33 GMT
#112
On June 03 2018 03:31 Shellshock wrote:
don't be tricked into thinking this is an upset

Yeah, TRUE is gonna win the next 2 games with lings!
Rob-Zero
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany460 Posts
June 02 2018 18:34 GMT
#113
Man Lambo, could you really bring it to the table this time around.... ? Great games so far, don´t let him cheese you to death now!
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SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
June 02 2018 18:39 GMT
#114
wtf why didn't TRUE have the nydus surrounded before it popped?
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Latr02
Profile Joined December 2012
United States268 Posts
June 02 2018 18:40 GMT
#115
Spire just seems incredibly risky and not worth it in ZvZ
Soularion
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Canada2764 Posts
June 02 2018 18:40 GMT
#116
Dark almost lost to THIS?
Writermaru pls
Captain Peabody
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3135 Posts
June 02 2018 18:41 GMT
#117
Expand to his main, Lambo.
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Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
June 02 2018 18:41 GMT
#118
Unbeatable nydus strikes again......

On a serious note why on earth did TRUE not surround the nydus before it finished?!
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Weavel
Profile Joined January 2010
Finland9223 Posts
June 02 2018 18:42 GMT
#119
Good to see Lambo getting results.
Life/Seed//Mvp/NaNiwa fighting! ZeNEX forever!
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17740 Posts
June 02 2018 18:43 GMT
#120
On June 03 2018 03:39 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
wtf why didn't TRUE have the nydus surrounded before it popped?

I think he wanted to let some stuff out to trap and kill it, took too long though, transfuse too stronk
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