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gobbledydook
Profile Joined October 2012
Australia2605 Posts
June 02 2018 17:47 GMT
#81
The game quality of DNS vs Heromarine...compare that to Byun vs Stats yesterday....
I am a dirty Protoss bullshit abuser
yangluphil
Profile Joined July 2015
318 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-02 17:52:35
June 02 2018 17:50 GMT
#82
The new patch does not nerf aggressive PvT styles that much, but it's made mid to late game unplayable for protosses. It was already pretty bad for either PvT or TvP. Just look up Neeb, ShowTime, Stats, Trap's PvT records, and Bogus' TvP. Now it's completely one sided for Terrans.

The real problem which was that the MU was completely early game dominated, is not addressed and I expect Classic/Zest/herO to continue their PvT streaks. Though their window for carrying early game advantages over to mid-late game will be shortened.

This is what happens when you address a matchup design problem with a balance patch.
Neither party will be missed.
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
June 02 2018 17:53 GMT
#83
On June 03 2018 02:50 yangluphil wrote:
The new patch does not nerf aggressive PvT styles that much, but it's made mid to late game unplayable for protosses. It was already pretty bad for either PvT or TvP. Just look up Neeb, ShowTime, Stats, Trap's PvT records, and Bogus' TvP. Now it's completely one sided for Terrans.

The real problem which was that the MU was completely early game dominated, is not addressed and I expect Classic/Zest/herO to continue their PvT streaks. Though their window for carrying early game advantages over to mid-late game will be shortened.

This is what happens when you address a matchup design problem with a balance patch.

So what race is OP? Terran? Protoss? Is it Zerg?
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13322 Posts
June 02 2018 17:54 GMT
#84
On June 03 2018 02:53 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2018 02:50 yangluphil wrote:
The new patch does not nerf aggressive PvT styles that much, but it's made mid to late game unplayable for protosses. It was already pretty bad for either PvT or TvP. Just look up Neeb, ShowTime, Stats, Trap's PvT records, and Bogus' TvP. Now it's completely one sided for Terrans.

The real problem which was that the MU was completely early game dominated, is not addressed and I expect Classic/Zest/herO to continue their PvT streaks. Though their window for carrying early game advantages over to mid-late game will be shortened.

This is what happens when you address a matchup design problem with a balance patch.

So what race is OP? Terran? Protoss? Is it Zerg?

Random
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
June 02 2018 17:54 GMT
#85
On June 03 2018 02:47 gobbledydook wrote:
The game quality of DNS vs Heromarine...compare that to Byun vs Stats yesterday....

hide the names and you could never tell!
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Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
June 02 2018 17:55 GMT
#86
Man it's really all mirrors until the end of the day?
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17684 Posts
June 02 2018 17:57 GMT
#87
On June 03 2018 02:55 Fango wrote:
Man it's really all mirrors until the end of the day?

Bly vs Special is the last match
"Expert" mods4ever.com
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
June 02 2018 17:58 GMT
#88
On June 03 2018 02:57 Die4Ever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2018 02:55 Fango wrote:
Man it's really all mirrors until the end of the day?

Bly vs Special is the last match

That's what I meant lol
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
DBooN
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2727 Posts
June 02 2018 17:59 GMT
#89
On June 03 2018 02:55 Fango wrote:
Man it's really all mirrors until the end of the day?

ZvZ is fun!
yangluphil
Profile Joined July 2015
318 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-02 18:03:08
June 02 2018 18:00 GMT
#90
On June 03 2018 02:53 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2018 02:50 yangluphil wrote:
The new patch does not nerf aggressive PvT styles that much, but it's made mid to late game unplayable for protosses. It was already pretty bad for either PvT or TvP. Just look up Neeb, ShowTime, Stats, Trap's PvT records, and Bogus' TvP. Now it's completely one sided for Terrans.

The real problem which was that the MU was completely early game dominated, is not addressed and I expect Classic/Zest/herO to continue their PvT streaks. Though their window for carrying early game advantages over to mid-late game will be shortened.

This is what happens when you address a matchup design problem with a balance patch.

So what race is OP? Terran? Protoss? Is it Zerg?

Between January and February, protoss was op in PvT and Zerg was op in ZvP. Since then Protoss was op in early PvT and terran was op in early TvP. Terran was op in late game TvZ. For this patch, I think terran is op in TvP but protosses seem to figure out PvZ so they might be slightly advantageous or less UP in that MU. Can't say too much for TvZ for now, but I would guess it's in good shape.

Neither party will be missed.
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
June 02 2018 18:01 GMT
#91
On June 03 2018 02:59 DBooN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2018 02:55 Fango wrote:
Man it's really all mirrors until the end of the day?

ZvZ is fun!

The best part of ZvZ is that it can over quicker than the other matchups.

Although it does have some nice quirks to it, it just isn't as good as the other matchups
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
June 02 2018 18:03 GMT
#92
ZvZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz , I just can't get behind the ling/roach wars. When its lategame its cool but hardly every gets there.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28500 Posts
June 02 2018 18:03 GMT
#93
TRUE looking good, almost foreign zerg level
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
June 02 2018 18:03 GMT
#94
On June 03 2018 03:00 yangluphil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2018 02:53 Ej_ wrote:
On June 03 2018 02:50 yangluphil wrote:
The new patch does not nerf aggressive PvT styles that much, but it's made mid to late game unplayable for protosses. It was already pretty bad for either PvT or TvP. Just look up Neeb, ShowTime, Stats, Trap's PvT records, and Bogus' TvP. Now it's completely one sided for Terrans.

The real problem which was that the MU was completely early game dominated, is not addressed and I expect Classic/Zest/herO to continue their PvT streaks. Though their window for carrying early game advantages over to mid-late game will be shortened.

This is what happens when you address a matchup design problem with a balance patch.

So what race is OP? Terran? Protoss? Is it Zerg?

Between January and February, protoss was op in PvT and Zerg was op in ZvP. Since then Protoss was op in early PvT and terran was op in early TvP. Terran was op in late game TvZ. For this patch, I think terran is op in TvP but protosses seem to figure out PvZ so they might be slightly advantageous in that MU. Can't say too much for TvZ for now, but I would guess it's in good shape.


But none of it matters because Serral will win Austin and Rogue will win GSL regardless
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
yangluphil
Profile Joined July 2015
318 Posts
June 02 2018 18:04 GMT
#95
wake me up when ZvZ ends.
Neither party will be missed.
D-light
Profile Joined April 2012
Finland7364 Posts
June 02 2018 18:04 GMT
#96
On June 03 2018 02:53 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2018 02:50 yangluphil wrote:
The new patch does not nerf aggressive PvT styles that much, but it's made mid to late game unplayable for protosses. It was already pretty bad for either PvT or TvP. Just look up Neeb, ShowTime, Stats, Trap's PvT records, and Bogus' TvP. Now it's completely one sided for Terrans.

The real problem which was that the MU was completely early game dominated, is not addressed and I expect Classic/Zest/herO to continue their PvT streaks. Though their window for carrying early game advantages over to mid-late game will be shortened.

This is what happens when you address a matchup design problem with a balance patch.

So what race is OP? Terran? Protoss? Is it Zerg?

Yes.
why even
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
June 02 2018 18:04 GMT
#97
On June 03 2018 03:03 Penev wrote:
TRUE looking good, almost foreign zerg level

how is it possible?! he's evolving!
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TL+ Member
yangluphil
Profile Joined July 2015
318 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-02 18:07:55
June 02 2018 18:07 GMT
#98
On June 03 2018 03:03 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2018 03:00 yangluphil wrote:
On June 03 2018 02:53 Ej_ wrote:
On June 03 2018 02:50 yangluphil wrote:
The new patch does not nerf aggressive PvT styles that much, but it's made mid to late game unplayable for protosses. It was already pretty bad for either PvT or TvP. Just look up Neeb, ShowTime, Stats, Trap's PvT records, and Bogus' TvP. Now it's completely one sided for Terrans.

The real problem which was that the MU was completely early game dominated, is not addressed and I expect Classic/Zest/herO to continue their PvT streaks. Though their window for carrying early game advantages over to mid-late game will be shortened.

This is what happens when you address a matchup design problem with a balance patch.

So what race is OP? Terran? Protoss? Is it Zerg?

Between January and February, protoss was op in PvT and Zerg was op in ZvP. Since then Protoss was op in early PvT and terran was op in early TvP. Terran was op in late game TvZ. For this patch, I think terran is op in TvP but protosses seem to figure out PvZ so they might be slightly advantageous in that MU. Can't say too much for TvZ for now, but I would guess it's in good shape.


But none of it matters because Serral will win Austin and Rogue will win GSL regardless

It matters. Rogue would not be able to take down Maru in a GSL bo7 set up in the last patch. IEM was totally different as in Maru did not know he would fight Rogue and there was no time for him to prepare for or adjust to Rogue's all ins. Rogue admitted he could not win lategame ZvT vs Maru. But yeah patch does not matter for who will win WCS, unless they hammer down Zerg with a major patch (undeserved imo).
Neither party will be missed.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
June 02 2018 18:11 GMT
#99
amazing play by Lambo!!! wow!
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Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
June 02 2018 18:11 GMT
#100
Zest is gonna win GSL rogue is gonna have to wait
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