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Map Pool Group B![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/634.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/958.jpg)  soO vs  Dear![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/663.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/1099.jpg)  INnoVation vs RogueResults+ Show Spoiler [Matchlist] + CSS: FO-nTTaX Emergency Substitute: pvsnp Banner: GSL | ||
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On May 26 2018 13:07 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: I still can't believe Aeromi signed Innovation. dont say it like that... OG sounds better -_- | ||
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On May 26 2018 13:09 pvsnp wrote: Inb4 Rogue gets eliminated today and everyone blames Artosis Inb4 Rogue wins GSL Season 2 and everyone says the Artosis Curse is dead. | ||
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On May 26 2018 13:14 Fango wrote: If Dear beats soO in this match it will seriously fuck the group up You were saying? | ||
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On May 26 2018 13:21 Fango wrote: If soO wins this season there's a good chance it will be by beating Dear, Rogue, Zest, Classic, then Innovation in the final. Now you sound like Artosis | ||
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Rogue will never get past ro8 in a GSL. Now I don't | ||
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On May 26 2018 13:31 Boggyb wrote: How is this game not over? cause the map is huge, and soO made a bunch of BLs he couldn't protect, and then realized he couldn't actually do anything with them | ||
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What is this, a finals? | ||
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On May 26 2018 13:40 Fango wrote: Dear would be 50/50 against Inno in a potential winners match btw No chance. | ||
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soO vs either Inno or Rogue in a loser match is not something that's normal. | ||
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tasteless reverse curse anyone? | ||
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You think Dear has no chance? After all of Inno vs protoss this year it could go either way | ||
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On May 26 2018 13:40 Fango wrote: Dear would be 50/50 against Inno in a potential winners match btw Dear made some major blunders in that series, if Inno is in any kind of good shape then I don't like Dear's chances. | ||
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On May 26 2018 13:44 Zaros wrote: Woop gj dear I was like the only guy to predict dear beating soO people underestimate him too much. Dear is underrated, but you can't act like he won that match of pure skill. That was soO going full finals in games 2/3. | ||
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On May 26 2018 13:45 pvsnp wrote: Dear made some major blunders in that series, if Inno is in any kind of good shape then I don't like Dear's chances. Form in one match up often has no bearing on form in another. | ||
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On May 26 2018 13:45 pvsnp wrote: Dear made some major blunders in that series, if Inno is in any kind of good shape then I don't like Dear's chances. "if Inno is in any kind of good shape" is exactly why it's 50/50  | ||
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On May 26 2018 13:45 Fango wrote: You think Dear has no chance? After all of Inno vs protoss this year it could go either way When it's offline and it matters, I would give Classic, herO and Zest an upper edge vs Inno. Other protoss, no, especially this patch. I've said many times PvT is not that toss favored as perceived on this forum. | ||
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On May 26 2018 13:46 Fango wrote: Dear is underrated, but you can't act like he won that match of pure skill. That was soO going full finals in games 2/3. | ||
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On May 26 2018 13:47 yangluphil wrote: When it's offline and it matters, I would give Classic, herO and Zest an upper edge vs Inno. Other protoss, no, especially this patch. I've said many times PvT is not that one-sided in toss favor as depicted on this forum. I mean, Terran was just buffed with the explicit intention of making PvT less onesided.... | ||
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On May 26 2018 13:46 Fango wrote: Dear is underrated, but you can't act like he won that match of pure skill. That was soO going full finals in games 2/3. dear was playing pretty well game 2 apart from that one botched moment and he did well to take advantage of soO sitting back, game 3 I think soO expected Phoenix again so wanted to gain an advantage by not losing an overlord which cost him the game probably. | ||
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I didn't catch that so fair enough. Doesn't excuse game two though. | ||
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On May 26 2018 13:48 pvsnp wrote: I mean, Terran was just buffed with the explicit intention of making PvT less onesided.... When the game has such a small fan base, its opinion and whining kind of affects balance decisions. | ||
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I get that casters need to hype things up but seriously? | ||
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On May 26 2018 13:51 pvsnp wrote: Artosis personally casted Rogue crashing out of the GSL last season in the Ro32, and crashing out of the Super Tournament in the first round........ I get that casters need to hype things up but seriously? GSL was vs peak Shura though, he had no chance it wasn't his fault | ||
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On May 26 2018 13:51 yangluphil wrote: When the game has such a small fan base, its opinion and whining kind of affects balance decisions. Plenty of protoss and zerg pros were saying terran basically couldn't win in TvP. Maru was miles ahead of every other terran and still lost to Classic, Zest, herO, Dear etc all the time. Protoss was pretty clearly damn favoured before the patch. How it is now I'm not sure. | ||
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On May 26 2018 13:56 Fango wrote: Plenty of protoss and zerg pros were saying terran basically couldn't win in TvP. Maru was miles ahead of every other terran and still lost to Classic, Zest, herO, Dear etc all the time. Protoss was pretty clearly damn favoured before the patch. How it is now I'm not sure. If by pretty clearly damn favored you mean 53.x% in the last patch (not counting the one before) then yeah. I'm not saying it was not toss favored. It was not that beyond healthy balance variance statistically speaking. The problem was not balance per se but the MU tends to be dominated by early game from each race. When a match up is trending that direction, even if balance is perfect a change is warranted. In the absolute top level, majority of the protosses are early game oriented so it might have skewed balance perception. | ||
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On May 26 2018 14:11 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: im sorry did anyone else just hear Innovation yell something in the background? lol I see what you did there | ||
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edit: rogue just got his season cursed | ||
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On May 26 2018 14:11 yangluphil wrote: If by pretty clearly damn favored you mean 53.x% in the last patch (not counting the one before) then yeah. I'm not saying it was not toss favored. It was not that beyond healthy balance variance statistically speaking. The problem was not balance per se but the MU tends to be dominated by early game from each race. When a match up is trending that direction, even if balance is perfect a change is warranted. In the absolute top level, majority of the protosses are early game oriented so it might have skewed balance perception. Winrates aren't everything. They take into account every pro game that's played. If I say protoss is favoured it means I'm talking about the top pros. And in the case of TvP we saw that Inno/TY/Maru/Byun/gumiho/aLive/special all take dips in their ratings and start really struggling in the matchup compared to their usual level. At the same time every top protoss (herO, zest, classic, trap, dear etc) took a significant increase in their PvT ratings. It became the favoured matchup for all of them. | ||
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On May 26 2018 14:26 BretZ wrote: rogue is gonna make dear look silly isnt he Tasteless is praying for that at least | ||
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Rogue 2-0 DearINnoVation 2-0 soODear 2-1 INnoVation | ||
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On May 26 2018 14:36 Boggyb wrote: With better splits on those group of probes, maybe Dear survives. I think he was dead regardless. | ||
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On May 26 2018 14:36 Boggyb wrote: With better splits on those group of probes, maybe Dear survives. He was 100% dead given how many lings and banes were on the followup | ||
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edit: And he has a roach warren. | ||
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On May 26 2018 14:50 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: How Rogue, how did this happen? Immortals | ||
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On May 26 2018 14:59 Topin wrote: is Dear going to win?! I say yes. | ||
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On May 26 2018 15:04 Fango wrote: How did Dear lose this game. He was so far ahead at the start then 70 supply down? Nvm immortals beat roaches | ||
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 WP Dear. | ||
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p.s. great game btw | ||
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On May 26 2018 15:10 Solar424 wrote: What on Earth happened this game? I tabbed out when Rogue had 10x Dear's army supply and now he's losing? Swarm host supply is meaningless if the cooldown is on. And having an all roach army against immortal/storm makes supply very misleading | ||
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Hell of a birthday present for him too | ||
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Amazing to see Dear come out in first. I'm a Protoss fan but even I had him in 4th spot easily in this group. 1 spot in top 8 for Innovation, soO, Rogue that's insane. I had my doubts that Zest or Dear would make it out of Ro32, now one will be in Ro4. Awesome. | ||
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On May 26 2018 15:11 Lexender wrote: PvZ has gotten really boring in LotV, just immortals everywhere. Games like that, Serral vs Showtime, and Serral vs Neeb (katowice) were pretty damn exited even if they were mass immortal | ||
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On May 26 2018 15:12 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: If I were Rogue I know I'd be tilted. I can easily see him not getting out today now and if he does is a team kill vs Maru D: | ||
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On May 26 2018 15:11 Lexender wrote: PvZ has gotten really boring in LotV, just immortals everywhere. Well and what do you want to build? :D Every other ground unit is shitty against lurkers. | ||
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edit: soO has a 25% winrate against Inno in LoTV | ||
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On May 26 2018 15:14 Fango wrote: The last Dear met Zest in a playoff match he lost 0-4. When was this though? Zest has not been the old Zest in quite a while (albeit he is clearly rising back up). | ||
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On May 26 2018 15:22 Colouss wrote: Dear hasn't looked good against a Protoss offline in a long time. Last time he faced a protoss in the playoff rounds, he got smashed by Classic. Almost everyone got smashed by Classic in that tournament tbf. He lost like one map before the final | ||
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On May 26 2018 15:23 HoldenC23 wrote: When was this though? Zest has not been the old Zest in quite a while (albeit he is clearly rising back up). Over two years ago lol | ||
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On May 26 2018 15:23 HoldenC23 wrote: When was this though? Zest has not been the old Zest in quite a while (albeit he is clearly rising back up). If one thing's been consistent about Zest lately, it's his PvP. | ||
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Now one of Inno and Rogue has to go out. | ||
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On May 26 2018 15:17 deacon.frost wrote: Well and what do you want to build? :D Every other ground unit is shitty against lurkers. And every other Zerg unit is shitty against Storm. | ||
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On May 26 2018 15:24 Solar424 wrote: And every other Zerg unit is shitty against Storm. It's a trap! (BLords are not bad against storm per se, but then we find out the air unit attacking from another galaxy) Well, that's the problem from WoL. Hardcounters on both sides. | ||
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On May 26 2018 15:35 Zaros wrote: I think soO has got this, inno just doesnt seem to be multitasking well at all. Inno turtlin hard though. | ||
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On May 26 2018 15:44 deacon.frost wrote: This state of TvZ is something I definitely don't like. soO has been complete trash in both ZvT and lategame in general for a while. Every time he gets to the lategame he just freezes up and doesn't do anything | ||
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On May 26 2018 15:44 deacon.frost wrote: This state of TvZ is something I definitely don't like. Yeah, with the Marauder buff and Ghosts coming back into the meta we've basically arrived back at HotS where all of Zerg's tier 3 is trash against Terran late-game. | ||
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On May 26 2018 15:47 Fango wrote: soO has been complete trash in both ZvT and lategame in general for a while. Every time he gets to the lategame he just freezes up and doesn't do anything It doesn't change the fact Inno wasted several medevacs and is still able to turtle into this stuff. | ||
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soO though.... | ||
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On May 26 2018 15:50 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Remember when soO sniped 4 free full medivacs? Usually that is winning but ya know, shit happens I remember when that was enough to finish blowing a 3-0 lead in the GSL finals. | ||
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On May 26 2018 15:48 deacon.frost wrote: It doesn't change the fact Inno wasted several medevacs and is still able to turtle into this stuff. Because soO let him. soO wanted to play the longer game even though he freezes every time he gets there. Solar or Dark for sure wouldn't look this useless. | ||
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On May 26 2018 15:51 Fango wrote: Because soO let him. soO wanted to play the longer game even though he freezes every time he gets there. Solar or Dark for sure wouldn't look this useless. Not sure if other players would be that successful. Not saying soO was playing well the last 5 minutes, but part of it comes from the strength of Terran in that position. | ||
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On May 26 2018 15:54 deacon.frost wrote: Not sure if other players would be that successful. Not saying soO was playing well the last 5 minutes, but part of it comes from the strength of Terran in that position. Not saying Dark or Solar would have necesarily won either. But they would have done at least something in the game. soO didn't even try to capitalise on any potential leads. He agreed to let Inno turtle and go lategame knowing he is completely useless in that area of the game. At the end of the day Inno is just better in the matchup than soO. He has a 75% winrate against him for a reason. Any match that is this one sided on paper isn't a great indicator of the state of the matchup. | ||
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On May 26 2018 16:17 pvsnp wrote: Kettledrum, Artosis, it's a kettledrum Also it's a Rock, or a Stone | ||
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On May 26 2018 16:20 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: That's not a robot Artosis, those are mechs Well a mech is just a robot that's piloted | ||
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Edit> Yay, another turtling TvZ... | ||
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On May 26 2018 16:23 deacon.frost wrote: Did I hear that widow mines don't cost supply? Maybe Artosis should start playing some SC2 instead of Remaster Edit> Yay, another turtling TvZ... As long as INno wins I'm fine with it. | ||
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On May 26 2018 16:23 deacon.frost wrote: turtling Being sieged in range of almost 3 different zerg bases is a good example of turtling amirite | ||
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On May 26 2018 16:29 Lyyna wrote: Being sieged in range of almost 3 different zerg bases is a good example of turtling amirite Well he turtled into 200 push, what's there not to see about it. When I wrote that he was in my stream sieged in his bases waiting for 200 supply. Edit> Oh, now I noticed who I respond to, ignore function needed. | ||
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Aeromi
France14456 Posts
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
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sashkata
Bulgaria3241 Posts
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
On May 26 2018 16:35 sashkata wrote: I can't remember the last time someone held of a proxy 2 rax. Watch more Rogue he holds it like 90% of the time. | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On May 26 2018 16:35 sashkata wrote: I can't remember the last time someone held of a proxy 2 rax. Well the counter's back to 0 days now. | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
On May 26 2018 16:06 Fango wrote: Maru probably wishing he got second place now And he has only himself to blame. By swapping Inno into Group B, he stacked his own side of the bracket. Silly boy... | ||
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Isualin
Germany1903 Posts
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Lyyna
France776 Posts
On May 26 2018 16:41 Isualin wrote: what made the swarm hosts popular again? that unit is the sole reason i stopped playing(one of the earlier iterations) still feels so stupid in design Well used, they're a huge advantage against mech. And auto-win in some situations | ||
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RaFox17
Finland4581 Posts
On May 26 2018 16:41 Isualin wrote: what made the swarm hosts popular again? that unit is the sole reason i stopped playing(one of the earlier iterations) still feels so stupid in design I don't think anyone else than Rogue is really using them. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On May 26 2018 16:41 Isualin wrote: what made the swarm hosts popular again? that unit is the sole reason i stopped playing(one of the earlier iterations) still feels so stupid in design Mech and its effective fighting. | ||
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sashkata
Bulgaria3241 Posts
On May 26 2018 16:41 Isualin wrote: what made the swarm hosts popular again? that unit is the sole reason i stopped playing(one of the earlier iterations) still feels so stupid in design Didn't Rogue lose every game he went for SH today? They are working here mostly, because Inno was too far behind from the failed double proxy rax. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On May 26 2018 16:42 RaFox17 wrote: I don't think anyone else than Rogue is really using them. Dark has a couple times I think | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
On May 26 2018 16:31 Zaros wrote: Flash is streaming GSL Interesting, wonder what he's saying. | ||
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Isualin
Germany1903 Posts
On May 26 2018 16:43 sashkata wrote: Didn't Rogue lose every game he went for SH today? They are working here mostly, because Inno was too far behind from the failed double proxy rax. yeah, i don't imply they are super strong or anything. | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17620 Posts
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Didn't he say the other week that he finds sc2 fun and wants to play it on stream but doesn't because of the hate he'll get? | ||
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On May 26 2018 16:49 deacon.frost wrote: Innovation is good at not losing medevacs. Loses 4 full medevacs vs. soO, loses medevacs against Rogue in game #1, loses medevac now. Is the curse now working against game units too? Never forget Soulkey vs Inno | ||
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pvsnp
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
But Rogue has never actually shown it so I still think Inno has a chance | ||
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Isualin
Germany1903 Posts
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Netherlands891 Posts
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
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HolydaKing
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
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sashkata
Bulgaria3241 Posts
Rogue vs Maru should have been the final. edit There's still hope for Maru vs Dark I guess. | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
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Australia995 Posts
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HolydaKing
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Waxangel
United States33211 Posts
funny to hear Rogue say he thinks Dark is the better ZvT player, after Maru has said more than once that he thinks Rogue is better than Dark | ||
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
On May 26 2018 17:07 Waxangel wrote: good games from everyone funny to hear Rogue say he thinks Dark is the better ZvT player, after Maru has said more than once that he thinks Rogue is better than Dark But Rogue is more unpredictable + he is his teammate so | ||
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Poopi
France12761 Posts
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dummy1
420 Posts
On May 26 2018 19:05 DieuCure wrote: But Rogue is more unpredictable + he is his teammate so kinda shibal situation lul | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8988 Posts
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Paljas
Germany6926 Posts
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beepbeeeeeeep
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ShAd_1337
Germany1042 Posts
better get that second place in your group | ||
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agsub
Singapore368 Posts
On May 26 2018 20:20 Aunvilgodess wrote: nice games all around. Almost. That was like, what, 3 bad games? I am so salty that dear got though despite those horrible games he lost. | ||
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Haku
Germany550 Posts
Nice work. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15881 Posts
Also it never fails to amaze me how such a good player as soO can have such pathetically bad lategame. | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
On May 26 2018 22:08 Shellshock wrote: I was told inno would win gsl when he joined ogaming To be fair, the group was nuts, especially considering Dear won it. | ||
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Ej_
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On May 26 2018 23:12 Boggyb wrote: Dear won what on paper looked like the hardest group and I'm not impressed with his play at all. He isn't here to impress | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
When he ask which one, the answer is both | ||
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Elentos
55459 Posts
On May 26 2018 23:12 Boggyb wrote: Dear won what on paper looked like the hardest group and I'm not impressed with his play at all. On my paper C is still the hardest group | ||
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Boggyb
2855 Posts
It is a strong collection of players, but too many match ups seem easy to call on paper. Dark > Classic Classic > TY and Trap TY > Trap Dark = TY Dark = Trap So: Dark > ClassicTY > TrapCoinflip between TY and DarkClassic > TrapIf Dark won the winner's match, Classic > TYIf TY won the winner's match, Dark > Classic | ||
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Elentos
55459 Posts
On May 27 2018 00:23 Boggyb wrote: It is a strong collection of players, but too many match ups seem easy to call on paper. On paper most people predicted Dear to go out in last, so I'm gonna refrain from looking at match-ups and just say that the overall level of group C in terms of players is at the very least equal to B. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On May 27 2018 00:23 Boggyb wrote: It is a strong collection of players, but too many match ups seem easy to call on paper. Dark > Classic Classic > TY and Trap TY > Trap Dark = TY Dark = Trap So: Dark > ClassicTY > TrapCoinflip between TY and DarkClassic > TrapIf Dark won the winner's match, Classic > TYIf TY won the winner's match, Dark > ClassicYeah but unlike Group B, all the players here have somewhat consistent form. The matches should be at a higher level even if they're historically one sided. All the guys from group B have flopped out of multiple events recently (including last GSL season for most of them). | ||
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
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United States4894 Posts
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United States50 Posts
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Boggyb
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On May 27 2018 01:58 brickrd wrote: innovation out of a group? can i safely assume one of the terran posters is already writing an essay on how terran is underpowered? According to aligulac, TvZ was at 43.28% in the previous period. That's not too surprising since Terran was around 47% before the raven nerf and the marauder buff is less relevant to TvZ than TvP. | ||
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Topin
Peru10044 Posts
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mCon.Hephaistas
Netherlands891 Posts
On May 27 2018 02:44 Boggyb wrote: According to aligulac, TvZ was at 43.28% in the previous period. That's not too surprising since Terran was around 47% before the raven nerf and the marauder buff is less relevant to TvZ than TvP. Yeah, but GSL winrates are at 59.5% in favor of Terran | ||
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Poopi
France12761 Posts
On May 27 2018 15:01 mCon.Hephaistas wrote: Yeah, but GSL winrates are at 59.5% in favor of Terran Probably because of all the bad zergs that managed to qualify like the foreigners and low tier KR? There are a lot of them ^^ | ||
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Boggyb
2855 Posts
On May 27 2018 15:01 mCon.Hephaistas wrote: Yeah, but GSL winrates are at 59.5% in favor of Terran That includes games prior to the raven nerf and includes a lot of series that were always going to be won by the player that won. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On May 28 2018 00:23 Boggyb wrote: That includes games prior to the raven nerf and includes a lot of series that were always going to be won by the player that won. I'd say the majority were always gonna be won by the player than won. Gumiho vs Scarlett + Losira ByuN vs Elazer + Leenock Maru vs Zanster Bunny vs Zanster TY vs Impact The only unexpected terran wins were Cure vs soO and Keen vs Solar, but both of them lost in the rematches. | ||
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juicyjames
United States3815 Posts
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
On May 28 2018 14:17 juicyjames wrote: Was any of this recommended? I'd say the Rogue matches are worth watching, the ones involving soO not so much. | ||
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