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On May 09 2018 19:47 Lyyna wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2018 19:45 Vedeynevin wrote:On May 09 2018 19:42 Lyyna wrote:On May 09 2018 19:40 theunabletable wrote:
I don't really understand why seeker missiles are instant now? It just seems really unreasonable to react, and the speed you have to split at for air units which stack, and in flat air with no obstacles forcing the opponent in a certain spot (like being able to play around chokes against banelings or something), is just really, really crazy.
I'm sure there's counterplay, but as someone who hasn't played for a bit, it just looks gross and obnoxious. The counterplay is to presplit your units, like terrans have been doing since WoL against storm, fungal, PB, archons, etc... I always find it odd when zerg always keep their corrs bunched in any situation, eating 5 storms in a row, 8 archons shots, a vortex, 17 thors volleys, 3 seeker missiles, and a nuke, then yell "imba". Seriously, he lost literally dozens of infestors, corrs, BLs throughout the game without making the slighest effort to not park them stacked in the most obvious positions. Also PB's good. Because they are air units and they naturally clump. I see terran's clump their vikings all the time against para bomb, but you have time to react after the damage starts because they don't stack. Remember them having to make it not stack because terran's couldn't split their vikings? Come on, you can't justify his terrible control in that game by "naturally clump".He literally kept them stacked at all time, parked next to the terran's bases, or while A moving into him, without the slighest attempt at splitting.
I didn't say his control wasn't terrible. I'm saying that you can't tell zergs to "just split like terrans always do" when parasitic bomb was changed because terrans couldn't split their vikings.
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On May 09 2018 19:49 DBooN wrote:
Zerg players are just less talented
Stop acting like he lost because of the mass raven, he tried BL push without support and threw everything
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On May 09 2018 19:49 Vedeynevin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2018 19:47 Lyyna wrote:On May 09 2018 19:45 Vedeynevin wrote:On May 09 2018 19:42 Lyyna wrote:On May 09 2018 19:40 theunabletable wrote:
I don't really understand why seeker missiles are instant now? It just seems really unreasonable to react, and the speed you have to split at for air units which stack, and in flat air with no obstacles forcing the opponent in a certain spot (like being able to play around chokes against banelings or something), is just really, really crazy.
I'm sure there's counterplay, but as someone who hasn't played for a bit, it just looks gross and obnoxious. The counterplay is to presplit your units, like terrans have been doing since WoL against storm, fungal, PB, archons, etc... I always find it odd when zerg always keep their corrs bunched in any situation, eating 5 storms in a row, 8 archons shots, a vortex, 17 thors volleys, 3 seeker missiles, and a nuke, then yell "imba". Seriously, he lost literally dozens of infestors, corrs, BLs throughout the game without making the slighest effort to not park them stacked in the most obvious positions. Also PB's good. Because they are air units and they naturally clump. I see terran's clump their vikings all the time against para bomb, but you have time to react after the damage starts because they don't stack. Remember them having to make it not stack because terran's couldn't split their vikings? Come on, you can't justify his terrible control in that game by "naturally clump".He literally kept them stacked at all time, parked next to the terran's bases, or while A moving into him, without the slighest attempt at splitting. I didn't say his control wasn't terrible. I'm saying that you can't tell zergs to "just split like terrans always do" when parasitic bomb was changed because terrans couldn't split their vikings.
It wasn't changed because terran wouldn't split, it was changed because it wasn't possible to split against it, since you could just stack it and get 100 dps .. IN A MOVING AREA FOLLOWING AN UNIT.
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On May 09 2018 19:49 Lyyna wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2018 19:48 Vedeynevin wrote:On May 09 2018 19:46 deacon.frost wrote:On May 09 2018 19:45 opisska wrote:On May 09 2018 19:43 deacon.frost wrote:On May 09 2018 19:42 Lyyna wrote:On May 09 2018 19:40 theunabletable wrote:
I don't really understand why seeker missiles are instant now? It just seems really unreasonable to react, and the speed you have to split at for air units which stack, and in flat air with no obstacles forcing the opponent in a certain spot (like being able to play around chokes against banelings or something), is just really, really crazy.
I'm sure there's counterplay, but as someone who hasn't played for a bit, it just looks gross and obnoxious. The counterplay is to presplit your units, like terrans have been doing since WoL against storm, fungal, PB, archons, etc... I always find it odd when zerg always keep their corrs bunched in any situation, eating 5 storms in a row, 8 archons shots, a vortex, 17 thors volleys, 3 seeker missiles, and a nuke, then yell "imba". Yeah, but you cannot eat 5 storms at the same time, you can eat 5 disco balls of doom. Remember when PB stacked? Those were the times Yeah and I'm inclined to find the pre-split advices from Lyyna and why the hell Blizzard made it to unstack when all that needs to be done is to pre-split? Weird, weird, weird. Yeah, it's quite strange that he seems to forget the time when terran's couldn't split their vikings so they had to change para bomb, but is all for telling zergs they need to git gud at splitting air units (that are much slower then vikings) Right, the change to PB was definitely because vikings couldn't be split. definitely not because it would stack, and thus you could just make 10 vipers and just triple PB any viking group coming in sight. Hilarious considering every single zerg that is posting here now was "hurr durr terran l2split lol"
Oh, but you cannot do that to broods? C'mon, re-read what you just wrote
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On May 09 2018 19:49 Lyyna wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2018 19:48 Vedeynevin wrote:On May 09 2018 19:46 deacon.frost wrote:On May 09 2018 19:45 opisska wrote:On May 09 2018 19:43 deacon.frost wrote:On May 09 2018 19:42 Lyyna wrote:On May 09 2018 19:40 theunabletable wrote:
I don't really understand why seeker missiles are instant now? It just seems really unreasonable to react, and the speed you have to split at for air units which stack, and in flat air with no obstacles forcing the opponent in a certain spot (like being able to play around chokes against banelings or something), is just really, really crazy.
I'm sure there's counterplay, but as someone who hasn't played for a bit, it just looks gross and obnoxious. The counterplay is to presplit your units, like terrans have been doing since WoL against storm, fungal, PB, archons, etc... I always find it odd when zerg always keep their corrs bunched in any situation, eating 5 storms in a row, 8 archons shots, a vortex, 17 thors volleys, 3 seeker missiles, and a nuke, then yell "imba". Yeah, but you cannot eat 5 storms at the same time, you can eat 5 disco balls of doom. Remember when PB stacked? Those were the times Yeah and I'm inclined to find the pre-split advices from Lyyna and why the hell Blizzard made it to unstack when all that needs to be done is to pre-split? Weird, weird, weird. Yeah, it's quite strange that he seems to forget the time when terran's couldn't split their vikings so they had to change para bomb, but is all for telling zergs they need to git gud at splitting air units (that are much slower then vikings) Right, the change to PB was definitely because vikings couldn't be split. definitely not because it would stack, and thus you could just make 10 vipers and just triple PB any viking group coming in sight. Hilarious considering every single zerg that is posting here now was "hurr durr terran l2split lol"
rofl, that's the whole fucking point dude. It was a problem because you could stack parabomb. That's exactly what the problem is with the missle. I could take your second sentence and sub raven and missile, for viper and para bomb. It would talk about the exact same sort of problem. I'm not saying the previous para bomb was good, it wasn't. I'm trying to get you to see that your standpoint is ridiculously hypocritical.
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On May 09 2018 19:51 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2018 19:49 Lyyna wrote:On May 09 2018 19:48 Vedeynevin wrote:On May 09 2018 19:46 deacon.frost wrote:On May 09 2018 19:45 opisska wrote:On May 09 2018 19:43 deacon.frost wrote:On May 09 2018 19:42 Lyyna wrote:On May 09 2018 19:40 theunabletable wrote:
I don't really understand why seeker missiles are instant now? It just seems really unreasonable to react, and the speed you have to split at for air units which stack, and in flat air with no obstacles forcing the opponent in a certain spot (like being able to play around chokes against banelings or something), is just really, really crazy.
I'm sure there's counterplay, but as someone who hasn't played for a bit, it just looks gross and obnoxious. The counterplay is to presplit your units, like terrans have been doing since WoL against storm, fungal, PB, archons, etc... I always find it odd when zerg always keep their corrs bunched in any situation, eating 5 storms in a row, 8 archons shots, a vortex, 17 thors volleys, 3 seeker missiles, and a nuke, then yell "imba". Yeah, but you cannot eat 5 storms at the same time, you can eat 5 disco balls of doom. Remember when PB stacked? Those were the times Yeah and I'm inclined to find the pre-split advices from Lyyna and why the hell Blizzard made it to unstack when all that needs to be done is to pre-split? Weird, weird, weird. Yeah, it's quite strange that he seems to forget the time when terran's couldn't split their vikings so they had to change para bomb, but is all for telling zergs they need to git gud at splitting air units (that are much slower then vikings) Right, the change to PB was definitely because vikings couldn't be split. definitely not because it would stack, and thus you could just make 10 vipers and just triple PB any viking group coming in sight. Hilarious considering every single zerg that is posting here now was "hurr durr terran l2split lol" Oh, but you cannot do that to broods? C'mon, re-read what you just wrote
What exactly prevent you from pre-splitting your broods before the fight ?
Unlike PB, missiles don't follow your units.
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On May 09 2018 19:51 DieuCure wrote:Stop acting like he lost because of the mass raven, he tried BL push without support and threw everything
This loss was about that, but that doesn't mean it didn't show us what's wrong with the Netherland bomb(I hope they still play in orange  )
On May 09 2018 19:52 Lyyna wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2018 19:51 deacon.frost wrote:On May 09 2018 19:49 Lyyna wrote:On May 09 2018 19:48 Vedeynevin wrote:On May 09 2018 19:46 deacon.frost wrote:On May 09 2018 19:45 opisska wrote:On May 09 2018 19:43 deacon.frost wrote:On May 09 2018 19:42 Lyyna wrote:On May 09 2018 19:40 theunabletable wrote:
I don't really understand why seeker missiles are instant now? It just seems really unreasonable to react, and the speed you have to split at for air units which stack, and in flat air with no obstacles forcing the opponent in a certain spot (like being able to play around chokes against banelings or something), is just really, really crazy.
I'm sure there's counterplay, but as someone who hasn't played for a bit, it just looks gross and obnoxious. The counterplay is to presplit your units, like terrans have been doing since WoL against storm, fungal, PB, archons, etc... I always find it odd when zerg always keep their corrs bunched in any situation, eating 5 storms in a row, 8 archons shots, a vortex, 17 thors volleys, 3 seeker missiles, and a nuke, then yell "imba". Yeah, but you cannot eat 5 storms at the same time, you can eat 5 disco balls of doom. Remember when PB stacked? Those were the times Yeah and I'm inclined to find the pre-split advices from Lyyna and why the hell Blizzard made it to unstack when all that needs to be done is to pre-split? Weird, weird, weird. Yeah, it's quite strange that he seems to forget the time when terran's couldn't split their vikings so they had to change para bomb, but is all for telling zergs they need to git gud at splitting air units (that are much slower then vikings) Right, the change to PB was definitely because vikings couldn't be split. definitely not because it would stack, and thus you could just make 10 vipers and just triple PB any viking group coming in sight. Hilarious considering every single zerg that is posting here now was "hurr durr terran l2split lol" Oh, but you cannot do that to broods? C'mon, re-read what you just wrote What exactly prevent you from pre-splitting your broods before the fight ? Unlike PB, missiles don't follow your units.
sure, it explodes right away. And sure, broodlords are so fast they can escape the bomb!!! Hear hear!
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On May 09 2018 19:51 Lyyna wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2018 19:49 Vedeynevin wrote:On May 09 2018 19:47 Lyyna wrote:On May 09 2018 19:45 Vedeynevin wrote:On May 09 2018 19:42 Lyyna wrote:On May 09 2018 19:40 theunabletable wrote:
I don't really understand why seeker missiles are instant now? It just seems really unreasonable to react, and the speed you have to split at for air units which stack, and in flat air with no obstacles forcing the opponent in a certain spot (like being able to play around chokes against banelings or something), is just really, really crazy.
I'm sure there's counterplay, but as someone who hasn't played for a bit, it just looks gross and obnoxious. The counterplay is to presplit your units, like terrans have been doing since WoL against storm, fungal, PB, archons, etc... I always find it odd when zerg always keep their corrs bunched in any situation, eating 5 storms in a row, 8 archons shots, a vortex, 17 thors volleys, 3 seeker missiles, and a nuke, then yell "imba". Seriously, he lost literally dozens of infestors, corrs, BLs throughout the game without making the slighest effort to not park them stacked in the most obvious positions. Also PB's good. Because they are air units and they naturally clump. I see terran's clump their vikings all the time against para bomb, but you have time to react after the damage starts because they don't stack. Remember them having to make it not stack because terran's couldn't split their vikings? Come on, you can't justify his terrible control in that game by "naturally clump".He literally kept them stacked at all time, parked next to the terran's bases, or while A moving into him, without the slighest attempt at splitting. I didn't say his control wasn't terrible. I'm saying that you can't tell zergs to "just split like terrans always do" when parasitic bomb was changed because terrans couldn't split their vikings. It wasn't changed because terran wouldn't split, it was changed because it wasn't possible to split against it, since you could just stack it and get 100 dps .. IN A MOVING AREA FOLLOWING AN UNIT.
Lol, and you have time to split after 10 missiles get put on your army? lol, it's the same thing dude.
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On May 09 2018 19:52 Vedeynevin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2018 19:49 Lyyna wrote:On May 09 2018 19:48 Vedeynevin wrote:On May 09 2018 19:46 deacon.frost wrote:On May 09 2018 19:45 opisska wrote:On May 09 2018 19:43 deacon.frost wrote:On May 09 2018 19:42 Lyyna wrote:On May 09 2018 19:40 theunabletable wrote:
I don't really understand why seeker missiles are instant now? It just seems really unreasonable to react, and the speed you have to split at for air units which stack, and in flat air with no obstacles forcing the opponent in a certain spot (like being able to play around chokes against banelings or something), is just really, really crazy.
I'm sure there's counterplay, but as someone who hasn't played for a bit, it just looks gross and obnoxious. The counterplay is to presplit your units, like terrans have been doing since WoL against storm, fungal, PB, archons, etc... I always find it odd when zerg always keep their corrs bunched in any situation, eating 5 storms in a row, 8 archons shots, a vortex, 17 thors volleys, 3 seeker missiles, and a nuke, then yell "imba". Yeah, but you cannot eat 5 storms at the same time, you can eat 5 disco balls of doom. Remember when PB stacked? Those were the times Yeah and I'm inclined to find the pre-split advices from Lyyna and why the hell Blizzard made it to unstack when all that needs to be done is to pre-split? Weird, weird, weird. Yeah, it's quite strange that he seems to forget the time when terran's couldn't split their vikings so they had to change para bomb, but is all for telling zergs they need to git gud at splitting air units (that are much slower then vikings) Right, the change to PB was definitely because vikings couldn't be split. definitely not because it would stack, and thus you could just make 10 vipers and just triple PB any viking group coming in sight. Hilarious considering every single zerg that is posting here now was "hurr durr terran l2split lol" rofl, that's the whole fucking point dude. It was a problem because you could stack parabomb. That's exactly what the problem is with the missle. I could take your second sentence and sub raven and missile, for viper and para bomb. It would talk about the exact same sort of problem. I'm not saying the previous para bomb was good, it wasn't. I'm trying to get you to see that your standpoint is ridiculously hypocritical.
How is my viewpont hypocritical ?
Again, i admitted on a previous page that the ability is stupid. What i'm saying, again, is that it is far from uncounterable, and that such a game can hardly be used as a case against it, because it was pretty much the worse demonstration possible of "how to play against missile"
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On May 09 2018 19:52 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2018 19:51 DieuCure wrote:On May 09 2018 19:49 DBooN wrote:
Zerg players are just less talented Stop acting like he lost because of the mass raven, he tried BL push without support and threw everything This loss was about that, but that doesn't mean it didn't show us what's wrong with the Netherland bomb (I hope they still play in orange )
Hahaha wtf
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On May 09 2018 19:52 Lyyna wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2018 19:51 deacon.frost wrote:On May 09 2018 19:49 Lyyna wrote:On May 09 2018 19:48 Vedeynevin wrote:On May 09 2018 19:46 deacon.frost wrote:On May 09 2018 19:45 opisska wrote:On May 09 2018 19:43 deacon.frost wrote:On May 09 2018 19:42 Lyyna wrote:On May 09 2018 19:40 theunabletable wrote:
I don't really understand why seeker missiles are instant now? It just seems really unreasonable to react, and the speed you have to split at for air units which stack, and in flat air with no obstacles forcing the opponent in a certain spot (like being able to play around chokes against banelings or something), is just really, really crazy.
I'm sure there's counterplay, but as someone who hasn't played for a bit, it just looks gross and obnoxious. The counterplay is to presplit your units, like terrans have been doing since WoL against storm, fungal, PB, archons, etc... I always find it odd when zerg always keep their corrs bunched in any situation, eating 5 storms in a row, 8 archons shots, a vortex, 17 thors volleys, 3 seeker missiles, and a nuke, then yell "imba". Yeah, but you cannot eat 5 storms at the same time, you can eat 5 disco balls of doom. Remember when PB stacked? Those were the times Yeah and I'm inclined to find the pre-split advices from Lyyna and why the hell Blizzard made it to unstack when all that needs to be done is to pre-split? Weird, weird, weird. Yeah, it's quite strange that he seems to forget the time when terran's couldn't split their vikings so they had to change para bomb, but is all for telling zergs they need to git gud at splitting air units (that are much slower then vikings) Right, the change to PB was definitely because vikings couldn't be split. definitely not because it would stack, and thus you could just make 10 vipers and just triple PB any viking group coming in sight. Hilarious considering every single zerg that is posting here now was "hurr durr terran l2split lol" Oh, but you cannot do that to broods? C'mon, re-read what you just wrote What exactly prevent you from pre-splitting your broods before the fight ? Unlike PB, missiles don't follow your units.
what exactly prevented pre-splitting vikings? yeah, they don't follow your units because all of their damage is upfront. Their damage is done faster then para bomb.
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On May 09 2018 19:53 Fyzar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2018 19:52 deacon.frost wrote:On May 09 2018 19:51 DieuCure wrote:On May 09 2018 19:49 DBooN wrote:
Zerg players are just less talented Stop acting like he lost because of the mass raven, he tried BL push without support and threw everything This loss was about that, but that doesn't mean it didn't show us what's wrong with the Netherland bomb (I hope they still play in orange ) Hahaha wtf
Whenever I watch internation football, Netherlands and their fans are painted in orange, aren't they? ^_^
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On May 09 2018 19:53 Vedeynevin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2018 19:51 Lyyna wrote:On May 09 2018 19:49 Vedeynevin wrote:On May 09 2018 19:47 Lyyna wrote:On May 09 2018 19:45 Vedeynevin wrote:On May 09 2018 19:42 Lyyna wrote:On May 09 2018 19:40 theunabletable wrote:
I don't really understand why seeker missiles are instant now? It just seems really unreasonable to react, and the speed you have to split at for air units which stack, and in flat air with no obstacles forcing the opponent in a certain spot (like being able to play around chokes against banelings or something), is just really, really crazy.
I'm sure there's counterplay, but as someone who hasn't played for a bit, it just looks gross and obnoxious. The counterplay is to presplit your units, like terrans have been doing since WoL against storm, fungal, PB, archons, etc... I always find it odd when zerg always keep their corrs bunched in any situation, eating 5 storms in a row, 8 archons shots, a vortex, 17 thors volleys, 3 seeker missiles, and a nuke, then yell "imba". Seriously, he lost literally dozens of infestors, corrs, BLs throughout the game without making the slighest effort to not park them stacked in the most obvious positions. Also PB's good. Because they are air units and they naturally clump. I see terran's clump their vikings all the time against para bomb, but you have time to react after the damage starts because they don't stack. Remember them having to make it not stack because terran's couldn't split their vikings? Come on, you can't justify his terrible control in that game by "naturally clump".He literally kept them stacked at all time, parked next to the terran's bases, or while A moving into him, without the slighest attempt at splitting. I didn't say his control wasn't terrible. I'm saying that you can't tell zergs to "just split like terrans always do" when parasitic bomb was changed because terrans couldn't split their vikings. It wasn't changed because terran wouldn't split, it was changed because it wasn't possible to split against it, since you could just stack it and get 100 dps .. IN A MOVING AREA FOLLOWING AN UNIT. Lol, and you have time to split after 10 missiles get put on your army? lol, it's the same thing dude.
Because missile does a lot less damage on a much smaller area than stacking PB.
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On May 09 2018 19:52 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2018 19:51 DieuCure wrote:On May 09 2018 19:49 DBooN wrote:
Zerg players are just less talented Stop acting like he lost because of the mass raven, he tried BL push without support and threw everything This loss was about that, but that doesn't mean it didn't show us what's wrong with the Netherland bomb(I hope they still play in orange )
Well, Raven is a problem but it would have been really bad for this game if he had won despite these terrible BL push.
It just showed that terran cant punish a zerg t3 without making 50 ravens
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On May 09 2018 19:54 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2018 19:53 Fyzar wrote:On May 09 2018 19:52 deacon.frost wrote:On May 09 2018 19:51 DieuCure wrote:On May 09 2018 19:49 DBooN wrote:
Zerg players are just less talented Stop acting like he lost because of the mass raven, he tried BL push without support and threw everything This loss was about that, but that doesn't mean it didn't show us what's wrong with the Netherland bomb (I hope they still play in orange ) Hahaha wtf Whenever I watch internation football, Netherlands and their fans are painted in orange, aren't they? ^_^
Yeah they are, I just haven’t seen it referred to as “the Netherlands bomb” haha
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On May 09 2018 19:54 Vedeynevin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2018 19:52 Lyyna wrote:On May 09 2018 19:51 deacon.frost wrote:On May 09 2018 19:49 Lyyna wrote:On May 09 2018 19:48 Vedeynevin wrote:On May 09 2018 19:46 deacon.frost wrote:On May 09 2018 19:45 opisska wrote:On May 09 2018 19:43 deacon.frost wrote:On May 09 2018 19:42 Lyyna wrote:On May 09 2018 19:40 theunabletable wrote:
I don't really understand why seeker missiles are instant now? It just seems really unreasonable to react, and the speed you have to split at for air units which stack, and in flat air with no obstacles forcing the opponent in a certain spot (like being able to play around chokes against banelings or something), is just really, really crazy.
I'm sure there's counterplay, but as someone who hasn't played for a bit, it just looks gross and obnoxious. The counterplay is to presplit your units, like terrans have been doing since WoL against storm, fungal, PB, archons, etc... I always find it odd when zerg always keep their corrs bunched in any situation, eating 5 storms in a row, 8 archons shots, a vortex, 17 thors volleys, 3 seeker missiles, and a nuke, then yell "imba". Yeah, but you cannot eat 5 storms at the same time, you can eat 5 disco balls of doom. Remember when PB stacked? Those were the times Yeah and I'm inclined to find the pre-split advices from Lyyna and why the hell Blizzard made it to unstack when all that needs to be done is to pre-split? Weird, weird, weird. Yeah, it's quite strange that he seems to forget the time when terran's couldn't split their vikings so they had to change para bomb, but is all for telling zergs they need to git gud at splitting air units (that are much slower then vikings) Right, the change to PB was definitely because vikings couldn't be split. definitely not because it would stack, and thus you could just make 10 vipers and just triple PB any viking group coming in sight. Hilarious considering every single zerg that is posting here now was "hurr durr terran l2split lol" Oh, but you cannot do that to broods? C'mon, re-read what you just wrote What exactly prevent you from pre-splitting your broods before the fight ? Unlike PB, missiles don't follow your units. what exactly prevented pre-splitting vikings? yeah, they don't follow your units because all of their damage is upfront. Their damage is done faster then para bomb.
There was a lot of presplitting, but it would not matter because with 5+ vipers you could essentially parabomb an entire screen worth of space, then drain your buildings and do it again within 15 seconds
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On May 09 2018 19:53 Lyyna wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2018 19:52 Vedeynevin wrote:On May 09 2018 19:49 Lyyna wrote:On May 09 2018 19:48 Vedeynevin wrote:On May 09 2018 19:46 deacon.frost wrote:On May 09 2018 19:45 opisska wrote:On May 09 2018 19:43 deacon.frost wrote:On May 09 2018 19:42 Lyyna wrote:On May 09 2018 19:40 theunabletable wrote:
I don't really understand why seeker missiles are instant now? It just seems really unreasonable to react, and the speed you have to split at for air units which stack, and in flat air with no obstacles forcing the opponent in a certain spot (like being able to play around chokes against banelings or something), is just really, really crazy.
I'm sure there's counterplay, but as someone who hasn't played for a bit, it just looks gross and obnoxious. The counterplay is to presplit your units, like terrans have been doing since WoL against storm, fungal, PB, archons, etc... I always find it odd when zerg always keep their corrs bunched in any situation, eating 5 storms in a row, 8 archons shots, a vortex, 17 thors volleys, 3 seeker missiles, and a nuke, then yell "imba". Yeah, but you cannot eat 5 storms at the same time, you can eat 5 disco balls of doom. Remember when PB stacked? Those were the times Yeah and I'm inclined to find the pre-split advices from Lyyna and why the hell Blizzard made it to unstack when all that needs to be done is to pre-split? Weird, weird, weird. Yeah, it's quite strange that he seems to forget the time when terran's couldn't split their vikings so they had to change para bomb, but is all for telling zergs they need to git gud at splitting air units (that are much slower then vikings) Right, the change to PB was definitely because vikings couldn't be split. definitely not because it would stack, and thus you could just make 10 vipers and just triple PB any viking group coming in sight. Hilarious considering every single zerg that is posting here now was "hurr durr terran l2split lol" rofl, that's the whole fucking point dude. It was a problem because you could stack parabomb. That's exactly what the problem is with the missle. I could take your second sentence and sub raven and missile, for viper and para bomb. It would talk about the exact same sort of problem. I'm not saying the previous para bomb was good, it wasn't. I'm trying to get you to see that your standpoint is ridiculously hypocritical. How is my viewpont hypocritical ? Again, i admitted on a previous page that the ability is stupid. What i'm saying, again, is that it is far from uncounterable, and that such a game can hardly be used as a case against it, because it was pretty much the worse demonstration possible of "how to play against missile"
I've never said that game was a good example. The issue I had was with "The counterplay is to presplit your units, like terrans have been doing since WoL against storm, fungal, PB, archons, etc...". When there's a perfectly good example of terran players being unable to split effectively against a similar spell used against their air units.
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On May 09 2018 19:56 Lyyna wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2018 19:54 Vedeynevin wrote:On May 09 2018 19:52 Lyyna wrote:On May 09 2018 19:51 deacon.frost wrote:On May 09 2018 19:49 Lyyna wrote:On May 09 2018 19:48 Vedeynevin wrote:On May 09 2018 19:46 deacon.frost wrote:On May 09 2018 19:45 opisska wrote:On May 09 2018 19:43 deacon.frost wrote:On May 09 2018 19:42 Lyyna wrote:
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The counterplay is to presplit your units, like terrans have been doing since WoL against storm, fungal, PB, archons, etc...
I always find it odd when zerg always keep their corrs bunched in any situation, eating 5 storms in a row, 8 archons shots, a vortex, 17 thors volleys, 3 seeker missiles, and a nuke, then yell "imba".
Yeah, but you cannot eat 5 storms at the same time, you can eat 5 disco balls of doom. Remember when PB stacked? Those were the times Yeah and I'm inclined to find the pre-split advices from Lyyna and why the hell Blizzard made it to unstack when all that needs to be done is to pre-split? Weird, weird, weird. Yeah, it's quite strange that he seems to forget the time when terran's couldn't split their vikings so they had to change para bomb, but is all for telling zergs they need to git gud at splitting air units (that are much slower then vikings) Right, the change to PB was definitely because vikings couldn't be split. definitely not because it would stack, and thus you could just make 10 vipers and just triple PB any viking group coming in sight. Hilarious considering every single zerg that is posting here now was "hurr durr terran l2split lol" Oh, but you cannot do that to broods? C'mon, re-read what you just wrote What exactly prevent you from pre-splitting your broods before the fight ? Unlike PB, missiles don't follow your units. what exactly prevented pre-splitting vikings? yeah, they don't follow your units because all of their damage is upfront. Their damage is done faster then para bomb. There was a lot of presplitting, but it would not matter because with 5+ vipers you could essentially parabomb an entire screen worth of space.
And you can't missile an entire screen?
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On May 09 2018 19:55 DieuCure wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2018 19:52 deacon.frost wrote:On May 09 2018 19:51 DieuCure wrote:On May 09 2018 19:49 DBooN wrote:
Zerg players are just less talented Stop acting like he lost because of the mass raven, he tried BL push without support and threw everything This loss was about that, but that doesn't mean it didn't show us what's wrong with the Netherland bomb(I hope they still play in orange ) Well, Raven is a problem but it would have been really bad for this game if he had won despite these terrible BL push. It just showed that terran cant punish a zerg t3 without making 50 ravens
That was because of the map though. If you get enough drones and enough bases you generally don't care, but Terran care because he cannot replenish so fast. I love ZvT(or PvT) on huge maps. Zerg can remax on anything as long as your greed goes through and, well, in case of Protoss you have to re-warp, but boy...
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